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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1075 on: April 26, 2017, 12:28:29 PM »
Asheville Municipal - Golfdom Jan. 1928

"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

BCrosby

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1076 on: April 26, 2017, 03:31:45 PM »
Thanks Sven.


I wonder if similar drainage plans are of public record in county courthouses? I've never looked into it, but "waters of the state" laws might require it in some cases, for the same reasons that drawings of easements are often recorded.


Any of you real estate lawyers have any thoughts on that? If such drainage plans are recorded, county level real estate records are an overlooked source of information on old golf courses.


Bob   

Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1077 on: June 09, 2017, 03:54:22 PM »
Bendelow's original 9 at Minnehaha  (Argus-Leader June 21, 1912) -

"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1078 on: June 10, 2017, 12:23:55 PM »
The last course that Seth Raynor designed was Mid Pacific CC (aka Kailua CC), which he planned during his Dec. 1925 trip to Hawaii.  Although only 9 holes were built, the plan called for 18.  Here's a map of the 18 hole course from the Jan. 23, 1927 edition of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1079 on: June 11, 2017, 08:31:22 PM »


Municipal Golf Course - Donald Ross nine - plan says 1920 - club website says  inc'ed in 1935, opened in '39, and that Russell Breeden added 9.  Did the club take over the 'muni' (Depression?) in '35, add the nine, and then open as Lancaster Golf Club in '39?


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BCrosby

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1080 on: June 11, 2017, 08:49:17 PM »
Sven -


I wish there was more detail in the drawing. A shame.


Jim -


Doing some research on Ross recently, I was struck with how many visits he made to cities in connection with site inspections for municipal courses. Along the way there were newspaper articles about his visit and the city officials he met with (press coverage he was less likely to get with private clubs).Ross really got around.

Bob



Jim_Kennedy

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« Reply #1081 on: June 13, 2017, 05:42:02 PM »

Clearcrest Golf Club -1940 iteration replacing 1922 course-Evansville, IN.-
  http://www.vchshistory.org/2016/01/18/mailbag-clearcrest-golf-club/

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Bret Lawrence

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1082 on: June 16, 2017, 09:38:10 AM »

Topeka Golf Club-October 9, 1899-Topeka state journal

Bret Lawrence

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1083 on: June 16, 2017, 09:49:00 AM »

Hotchkiss School Golf Course: Layout as found on the scorecard. I'm surprised Jim never posted this one. It's been sitting right under his nose for all these years! :D



Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1084 on: June 16, 2017, 06:17:08 PM »
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MCirba

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1085 on: June 17, 2017, 02:20:16 PM »
Sweet.
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

https://cobbscreek.org/

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1086 on: June 25, 2017, 09:16:59 AM »
Original layout of Brae Burn CC in Newton Ma, ca.1897 - from "Fifty Years Of Brae Burn" published in 1947 (hence, the title  ;D  ) 
 
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Jim_Kennedy

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« Reply #1087 on: June 25, 2017, 10:59:54 AM »

Forgot to post a link to the Brae Burn book, oops. There are four more maps of their layout beginning here:
  https://archive.org/stream/fiftyyearsofbrae00brae#page/72/mode/2up
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BCrosby

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1088 on: June 25, 2017, 11:48:00 AM »
Jim -

Thanks for the link. Not many histories focus as much on the golf course, so, naturally, I think it is very good. I wish more club histories had the same focus.

Bob

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1089 on: June 29, 2017, 06:26:03 PM »
Bob,


That would have been nice, and saved some folks a whole lot of angst.




Golf club of Avon, Avon CT. (formerly Avon CC)


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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1090 on: July 09, 2017, 04:35:56 PM »
Lawrence Van Etten's plan for Wykagyl CC from 1905.



Joe Bausch's post #168 from 1915.



Same corridors / a few holes are at different lengths / LVE must have worked hard to get a 3150 front9 and 3150 back9 for the 1905 yardage.  :)
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1091 on: August 14, 2017, 02:17:56 PM »

Built in 1926, Larry Packard was the architect. The first muni in Joliet, Ill.

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1092 on: September 23, 2017, 10:48:35 PM »
Mayflower CC, Staten Island NY - Devereux Emmet - BDE, June 15, 1930.


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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1093 on: November 02, 2017, 08:45:02 AM »
Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Davis Islands GC (Tillinghast)

Tampa Tribune Feb. 11, 1927

"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Rick Lane

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1094 on: November 02, 2017, 11:12:48 AM »
There was an earlier picture of the Brooklawn original 9 from 1895, but here is the direct image:



And here is those nine holes laid over a google earth image of the course now.  One of the tee boxes and one of the convex greens are still "findable" from 1895


Rick Lane

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1095 on: November 02, 2017, 11:38:58 AM »
Here's a 1912 routing map of the 18 holes at Brooklawn from 1912.  This is essentially the routing that Tillinghast walked into in 1929, except the hole labeled 16 here was moved to the pond sometime between 1912 and 1919. 



And here is that 1912 routing laid over the 1934 aerial.  Sorry for the eye test. But you can see how Tillinghast moved things around.




 

Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1096 on: November 07, 2017, 11:39:36 PM »
Alderwood CC (Portland, OR) - A. Vernon Macan

The Times Herald, Aug. 15, 1937 -

"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1097 on: November 10, 2017, 09:23:42 AM »
Layout of the first 9 new Ross holes at Mark Twain in Elmira.

Star-Gazette, May 25, 1939

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"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Bret Lawrence

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1098 on: November 11, 2017, 10:17:48 AM »
Rick,


Thanks for posting the 1912 layout of Brooklawn.  I have never seen that before.  It appears that holes 3-10 are very similar to today's routing.  I remember several years ago Jim Kennedy posted a picture of what is today's ninth green (prior to Tillinghasts work) and it looked much like the same setting as today.  I like to see how the old courses have evolved over time.  It's very helpful when the old layout is superimposed on the old.  Thanks for sharing these.


Bret

Bret Lawrence

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1099 on: November 11, 2017, 12:59:05 PM »
A few Orrin Smith layouts:


From the Hartford Courant-December 1, 1929. The first nine holes of East Hartford Country Club.  The course was known as Long Hill on at least two separate occasions. Today the course is 18 holes and known as East Hartford Golf Course, East Hartford, CT:



From Torrington Country Club: 1929 original accepted routing map for TCC, the nines are played in reverse today:


Here is a current view from the left side of 8 at the Torrington Country Club, looking at the eight green.



From the Hartford Courant-1930.  Wethersfield CC layout after Orrin Smith rearranges Robert Pryde's original front nine:

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