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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #700 on: December 29, 2014, 04:24:38 PM »
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Bendelow did River Crest in Ft Worth earlier than that.  Of interest is the fact that both places, his intent was to put the golf course in the front yard, across the street.  At some point later (and maybe earlier, depending on developer) the trend shifted to putting the golf course behind the houses.

Jeff,
I'd guess that the popularity and eventual preponderance of the automobile was the main reason for that change.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #701 on: December 30, 2014, 12:03:16 PM »
This is mainly Tom Bendelow's layout for RHC. A couple of the holes were lost to a land sale and needed to be changed, so their Pro, George Pierson, made the changes (holes 16 & 17).

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #702 on: December 30, 2014, 12:48:57 PM »
Bendelow's layout for Rockaway, pre-changes by Pierson, from the October 5th, 1898, BDE:

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #703 on: December 30, 2014, 03:36:58 PM »
Reply #362 from Joe Bausch has the 'new' 18 hole version of this course, here's the beginnings of it.

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #704 on: December 30, 2014, 09:45:19 PM »
Lakewood CC from 1915 (Joe Bausch):


And after Travis laid hands on it, some 5 years later. No. 14 on the left side of the drawing looks like a bear, and the sharp dogleg right #17 (bottom of drawing) is reminiscent of the soon to be built 3rd hole AWT's Fresh Meadows CC.

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #705 on: December 31, 2014, 01:42:22 PM »
Here's the 1897 (top) and 1901 (btm.) drawings of Stockbridge. 

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Sven Nilsen

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« Reply #706 on: December 31, 2014, 01:52:35 PM »
We need more of these time lapse routing comparisons.  Perhaps it should be a separate thread, but the side by sides are fascinating.

Sven
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Jim_Kennedy

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« Reply #707 on: December 31, 2014, 05:52:12 PM »
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Anthony Gholz

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #708 on: January 02, 2015, 11:46:33 AM »
Crestwood Golf Club back of scorecard from the 1960s. Source "Cleveland Area Golf" by Kenneth Hopkins 2004 notes Harold Paddock Sr. architect


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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #709 on: January 02, 2015, 12:07:57 PM »
One of the first golf and real estate communities in the US.
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Bendelow did River Crest in Ft Worth earlier than that.  Of interest is the fact that both places, his intent was to put the golf course in the front yard, across the street.  At some point later (and maybe earlier, depending on developer) the trend shifted to putting the golf course behind the houses.

Jeff,
I'd guess that the popularity and eventual preponderance of the automobile was the main reason for that change.

Jim, it may have deeper sociological roots than that, but certainly a lot of parked cars on the street with broken windows had something to do with it.  Many older houses had carriage houses, or garages at the back (maybe originally meant for horses)  Somewhere along the way, America went from sitting on the front porch and waving at the neighbors to wanting a more private space in the back yard.  Maybe the money savings of putting the garage at the front of the house, to avoid a long driveway and cars not necessitating they "hide" the garage/service area as it were contributed to the change.  Or maybe they wanted to show off their new cars, or wanted more area for the kids to play in safety away from the cars. 

Not sure exactly why, but in landscape architecture school, I recall discussing that big change a few times.
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Jim_Kennedy

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« Reply #710 on: January 02, 2015, 12:30:54 PM »
Jeff,

Infrastructure - a road course-side only serves one home. Creating golf corridors and backing the homes up to the course is at least a two-for-one proposition in homesites and at least half the cost for roadways/services/maintenance/etc..    
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« Reply #711 on: January 02, 2015, 05:02:24 PM »
Yes, also a big factor!
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #712 on: January 02, 2015, 05:51:39 PM »
...it may have deeper sociological roots than that...Somewhere along the way, America went from sitting on the front porch and waving at the neighbors to wanting a more private space in the back yard. 

Sounds like post WW11 suburbia.
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Anthony Gholz

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #713 on: January 02, 2015, 08:14:25 PM »
Don't laugh, yes its a place mat from the Grosse Ile CC (Michigan) literally "taken" this year. Donald Ross 1919.  Per "Architects of Golf" originally 27 holes.  Finishes with a very good lengthy par-3.


Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #714 on: January 02, 2015, 11:16:59 PM »
There are a couple on Nassau CC maps but they no longer appear. This one looks like the "Steeplechase" variety of links, but the long bunker   that spans six holes and the circus hole are pretty unique.  ;D

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Bret Lawrence

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #715 on: January 03, 2015, 07:43:57 PM »
Hartford Golf Club 1900


Reply #310 has the 1902 version with the nines reversed

Hartford Golf Club 1910-Designed by A.H. Findlay and W.C. Gordon


Hartford Golf Club 1916-Designed by Alfred Williams


Hartford Golf Club 1922

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #716 on: January 04, 2015, 03:32:51 PM »
BDE -August 26, 1928

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Anthony Gholz

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #717 on: January 04, 2015, 04:17:26 PM »
River Forest GC "course laid out by Major Webster".  From the Golfers Green Book Chicago 1901.  I chose this of the many layouts in the book because I'm a retired architect and the CH architect was Frank Lloyd Wright.  The membership list not only includes Wright, but reads almost as a list of his Chicago area clients.  I suggest anyone into early (pre 1901) Chicago golf take a look at this book.  It has the early (read first) layouts of many of the Chicago clubs.  The RR map is a short form to check if your club is on the list.  The book is available on line at the LOC.  The RFGC didn't last long, only until 1905 when the property owner, a Wright client, decide  to develop it.  However, the Wright Ch is still there today as the CH of the RF Tennis Club.








john_stiles

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #718 on: January 04, 2015, 05:23:58 PM »

Photo of the Ross / McGovern plan of Elk Rapids in Michigan. 

Stopped by a very cold rainy day.

Located north east of Traverse City on the a sliver of land between East Traverse Bay  and Elk Lake.




Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #719 on: January 04, 2015, 07:50:13 PM »
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« Reply #720 on: January 04, 2015, 08:03:08 PM »
City Park GC - New Orleans = 1937
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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #721 on: January 05, 2015, 07:48:46 PM »
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #722 on: January 06, 2015, 01:14:53 AM »
I like "The Unknown Sahara".  :)

From "A Sporting Pilgrimage" by Caspar Whitney -1894

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #723 on: January 06, 2015, 10:05:14 AM »
Jim -

Do we know who designed the 1888 St. Georges course?

Bob

Jim_Kennedy

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« Reply #724 on: January 06, 2015, 11:01:55 AM »
Bob,

Dr. William Laidlaw Purves, with a nod to the club Pro, Ramsey Hunter, who helped w/the layout.

First man on the tee in TMac's essay:

http://golfclubatlas.com/in-my-opinion/in-my-opinion-the-early-architects-beyond-old-tom-by-tom-macwood/

http://www.library.rcsed.ac.uk/docs/GD_55_William_Laidlaw_Purves_LRCSEd.pdf


And if you have any questions about Robinson Crusoe:

http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001418287
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