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Jim-Whistling Straights and Blackwolf River over Kingsley and Pinehurst #2? not obvious my friend! and i'll give 10-1 that TDoak doesn't rock his list here....
Quote from: Jud Tigerman on December 18, 2009, 11:14:22 AMJim-Whistling Straights and Blackwolf River over Kingsley and Pinehurst #2? not obvious my friend! and i'll give 10-1 that TDoak doesn't rock his list here.... Jud: I haven't posted a list like this for a long time, but at 10-1 odds, why not?1 The Old Course at St. Andrews2 Royal Melbourne (West)3 Sand Hills4 Pine Valley5 National Golf Links of America6 Cypress Point7 Crystal Downs8 Shinnecock Hills9 Royal Dornoch10 Merion (East)11 Pacific Dunes12 Ballybunion (Old)13 Muirfield14 Pinehurst (No. 2)15 Royal County Down16 Barnbougle Dunes17 Kingston Heath18 Ballyneal19 Pebble Beach20 Augusta National21 Seminole22 Prairie Dunes23 Rock Creek24 Riviera25 North Berwick (West)The bottom of the list was hard to do, as I've had to cut it off with several 9's on the Doak scale yet to be mentioned. Note to Oakmont fans: I still haven't played there, so I couldn't consider it.
Tom,Prarie Dunes is an interesting choice. There are many incredible holes on this course. I love 8, 9, 6, 1, 2, 3, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 but I just can't get into 17 and 18, and maybe I would like 10 better if I hadn't gagged on it. It is certainly a pressure shot with the clubhouse looking on.THe green on 17 is interesting but the rest of the hole is, well, pedestrian. 18 as a dramatic finishing hole it does not quite make it. My question is what am I missing on those holes that make it deserve to be in a group of courses with so very few week holes? I know that 18 at Ballyneal is not loved by a lot but I find it to be quite entertaining as you think you can go left and short cut it but don't go to far left! Brad I.
Sean:At least half of my top 25 courses would also be on my list of 'favorites' but I don't see the point in overlapping the two lists and subtly disrespecting some of my own top 25. So, here's a list of my 25 favorites not on the above list. I'm going alphabetical this time:BroraCape KidnappersCasa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog)Cruden BayCuscowillaGarden CityThe Golf ClubLahinchLong CovePennardPrestwickRoyal West NorfolkRoyal Worlington & NewmarketRyeSt. Andrews BeachSt. EnodocSt. George's (Toronto)St. George's HillThe Sheep RanchStone EagleSwinley ForestWalton Heath (Old)White Bear Yacht ClubWhitinsvilleWokingWoodhall SpaCrap, that's 26. Guess that's what I get for not numbering them, but I'm not going to go back and remove one of them. There were actually several more it pained me to leave out, not least of them the two new ones at Streamsong.
Tom - have their been any restorations/renovations that have been done which DRAMATICALLY changed your opinion of a course in a positive way?
Quote from: Paul Thomas on March 15, 2011, 11:27:02 AMTom - have their been any restorations/renovations that have been done which DRAMATICALLY changed your opinion of a course in a positive way?In some way, my opinions of courses are inclusive of potential restoration work; I assume when I go to see a course that, though some parts of the course may not be presented as they should be, that eventually they will get it right. [That way I don't have to revise my opinion of courses all the time!] So, for example, Pinehurst No. 2 was a 10 in my book, and when I went there two years ago I was very disappointed in what I saw, as I thought they were losing many of the great details of the design; the recent restoration looks like it will fix those things, but there's not much room to improve my rating of it.The one restoration of which I'm proudest is Yeamans Hall. When I first saw it, the greens were a complete mess, and it was impossible to rate the course highly since so much had been buried under topdressing and neglect. But I noted that if the greens were fixed, it would be excellent, and was gratified that they asked us to perform that work.Renovations are another story entirely. The California Golf Club of San Francisco is the first example that comes to mind; it is a much better course today than the one I saw twenty years ago, thanks to significant changes. I'm sure there are several others which warrant mention, but am not prepared to provide an exhaustive list at this moment.
JC,It's hard to provide surprises when I am already on the record as to my thoughts more than anyone here, and I wasn't holding anything back before. Really, the only surprises I get to provide are by building new courses that deserve to be mentioned.
There were actually several more it pained me to leave out, not least of them the two new ones at Streamsong.
Quote from: Tom_Doak on March 15, 2011, 08:31:44 AMThere were actually several more it pained me to leave out, not least of them the two new ones at Streamsong.Viral marketing, Tom? That's a pretty strong statement re two unopened courses (as far as I know).