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Quote from: Mark Pearce on April 04, 2020, 04:17:51 PMQuote from: Adam Lawrence on April 04, 2020, 03:45:44 PMI’d like a Cavendish visit once the Plague has passed too. Perhaps a GCA event?Why not? Relatively close, I'd imagine, to the centre of gravity of UK GCAers and somewhere I really need to get back to. Without fearing for my life with Ben Stephens in the group behind!My introduction to Ben was while putting out on the 7th green at Cavendish with Lorne Smith and two others whose identities I can't remember. Was one you, Mark?A ball thudded onto the green right in the middle of us. What the ....?!!!We glared back to see a grinning Ben on the tee 300 yards away waving at us.Having subsequently played with Ben on several occasions I now know that his target area is actually a relatively safe place to be. Still...
Quote from: Adam Lawrence on April 04, 2020, 03:45:44 PMI’d like a Cavendish visit once the Plague has passed too. Perhaps a GCA event?Why not? Relatively close, I'd imagine, to the centre of gravity of UK GCAers and somewhere I really need to get back to. Without fearing for my life with Ben Stephens in the group behind!
I’d like a Cavendish visit once the Plague has passed too. Perhaps a GCA event?
Yes, Duncan, I was in that group. I was also in a group at Liphook, on the short dogleg left par 4 when Ben drove through the green and, even more remarkably, on the 3rd green at Silloth when he nearly did the same thing. Perhaps it's me, not him?
Well you played foursomes with myself at Perranporth and you were surprised to be left with a 9 iron to the par 5 2nd green
Need to return to Cavendish - last time I played there I holed out for a 2 with a wedge on the 10th and agree with Whitty that it would be a great venue for BUDA in the future.
Quote from: Ben Stephens on April 06, 2020, 10:22:16 AMWell you played foursomes with myself at Perranporth and you were surprised to be left with a 9 iron to the par 5 2nd green Since I left you through the back, 9 iron was too much club. Since I put you 20 yards through the back, I should probably have hit gap wedge. For our second. On an uphill par 5. Not a game I'm familiar with....
Cavendish is looking for some help....https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/save-cavendish-golf-club#start
***UPDATE***Two days into our crowdfunding campaign we've raised £6500!That's a quarter of the way to our target of £25k with another 25 days to go. There's maybe something in these new-fangled ideas!https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/save-cavendish-golf-club#start
They’ve found enough money to do significant course upgrades under Jonathan Gaunt... ...Any update on the extent of the works, Duncan?
Quote from: Ally Mcintosh on December 09, 2020, 06:05:17 AMThey’ve found enough money to do significant course upgrades under Jonathan Gaunt... ...Any update on the extent of the works, Duncan?Yes, we've managed to allocate some funds to upgrading the bunkers on holes 1-5 and 18. We hope to complete the rest of the course over the next two years.Hole 1Before1 by Duncan Cheslett, on FlickrUnder constructionf1011620-1826-4777-adb4-7d728f5de5ff by Duncan Cheslett, on FlickrHole 3Before3b by Duncan Cheslett, on FlickrUnder constructionIMG_4953 by Duncan Cheslett, on FlickrI'm particularly pleased to see the original bunker long and right on the third being reinstated after many years.The new bunkers are being lined with Ecobunker material but we are not going with the stacked edge. It was decided that a stacked plastic edge was a step too far on a project intended to restore MacKenzie bunkers as closely as possible to the original.The new bunkers on 18 are looking spectacular but I didn't take any photos last time I was there!
Ben,The windy site will always be an issue but one thing we all wanted to see was slightly higher sand faces on the bunkers. Over the years - like at many courses - the bunkers have been allowed to become flat saucers of sand with grass faces. The hope and intention is to add a little dramatic effect to what have become dull and barely functional hazards.We have early photographs of most of the green sites at Cavendish, and as far as possible MacKenzie's original bunker styling will be followed. Unfortunately, we have no old photos for the first three holes, so a little artistic license has been necessary. I have questioned the need for the extravagant tongues on some bunkers, which to me give too much of a "modern" look, but I am assured by our architect that these are entirely in keeping with the MacKenzie style. I don't suppose that removing a tongue later is too difficult!I've not been there for a couple of weeks, during which time more work has been done. I'm playing today so will post some pics of 4, 5, and 18 later.As for the ceiling, I may well board and skim it yet if I have any of my meagre budget left after refurbishing the showers. If not, it will have to wait. What's wrong with a bit of retro Artex anyway?
BenThere is no doubt Cavendish used to flashed bunkers whose shapes were fairly basic. I disagree with Duncan that they fit into the landscape better simply because the bunkers stand out far more when flashed compared to rolled over grass faces. I prefer the grass look for essentially parkland courses because they do fit the scene in a lighter manner. I expect the function of this style better fits a low budget maintenance scheme as well. The big issue with the flashed bunkers is they look horribly out of place when on hills. I guess the easy solution is to not build on the hills!Anyway, to me, the bunkers are fine. I would much rather the club focus on tree removal, continued drianage efforts and grass lines for now. For me, bunkers are a low priority.Ciao
Anyway, to me, the bunkers are fine. I would much rather the club focus on tree removal, continued drainage efforts and grass lines for now. For me, bunkers are a low priority.
Quote from: Sean_A on December 12, 2020, 04:23:38 AMAnyway, to me, the bunkers are fine. I would much rather the club focus on tree removal, continued drainage efforts and grass lines for now. For me, bunkers are a low priority.A survey of club members in the summer revealed that overwhelmingly the biggest concern regarding the course was the state of the bunkers. In virtually all of them the drainage had failed - the sand was compacted hardpan in summer and flooded in winter. You'd struggle to find a single member or visitor who thought the bunkers were "fine". They are beyond doubt most peoples' main priority.The styling of the bunkers is a balance between aesthetic impact, adherence to our MacKenzie heritage, and maintainability with a full-time greens staff of only three. Our course manager has been closely involved with the architect and shaper to ensure that form doesn't override function. I had worries that we might end up with modern resort course bunkering on a classic MacKenzie, but these concerns have largely been allayed. Ultimately, we have to appeal to the general golfer more than the GCA wing nut. Impressive dramatic bunkering looks good in photos and helps sell green fees. MacKenzie himself was no slouch in this department!A third of the bunkers on the course will have been completed this winter. It is planned to work on the rest over the next two winters as funds allow.Tree removal continues apace, opening up forgotten vistas and allowing light and air into greens and tees. Extensive drainage work is currently being undertaken by specialist contractors on the problematic 5th fairway. Across the whole course deep linear aeration with an "Earthquake" machine last year made an incredible difference as a century of thatch and compaction was relieved at a stroke. Cavendish is now a remarkably dry winter course!An enthusiastic band of member volunteers continues to upgrade pathways in areas of heavy traffic. The clubhouse is also being renovated at minimal cost thanks to the many tradespeople we have as members. The sense of optimism for the future at the club is palpable - staring into the abyss earlier this year has had a transformative effect.I hope to post full details of the forthcoming Cavendish Buda later today.
My biggest concern is with the new bunkering on the 18th. This is a photo from 1928, only a couple of years after the course opened.18d by Duncan Cheslett, on FlickrAnd here is the new bunkering by Jonathon Gaunt. IMG_5025 by Duncan Cheslett, on FlickrI have no problem with the right hand bunker - it is in exactly the same place as MacKenzie's bunker and is probably a better shape.The left hand bunker however, troubles me. This is a par 4 hole of 440 yards over a very undulating fairway. The only realistic chance most club golfers have of reaching the green in two shots is with a fairway wood from 200 yards which catches the down slope of the fairway and then kicks on and up the ramp onto the putting surface. The elation felt and the satisfaction gained when this shot is pulled off is immense.Due to the left to right slope of the terrain the aiming point for this shot is generally the flagpole by the side of the clubhouse. Now however, there is a bloody great bunker directly on the line the perfectly struck ball would take. The low handicapper flying a mid or short iron directly onto the green is unaffected, but the shorter hitter has his main option removed. I've discussed this with Jonathon but he clearly hadn't even considered the issue when siting the bunker. He just wanted it closer to the green to catch errant aerial approaches. I'm sure the running shot in was in MacKenzie's mind when he positioned the original bunkers 10 yards further left and seemingly "detached" from the green.