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Scott Warren

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"The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« on: May 16, 2009, 10:34:59 AM »
I was doing some reading just now and came across this quote, attributed to Gary Player. My questions for the treehouse are:

1. Which course and which holes on the course he is referring to?
2. What are the four best consecutive holes in the world in your opinion?
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Andy Troeger

Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 10:41:12 AM »
No clue as to what he's referring to, but my choice is 6-9 at Pebble Beach.
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JESII

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 10:43:22 AM »
Pebble is a great choice.

#9 - #12 at Shinnecock

#1 - #4 at Pine Valley

#8 - #11 at Huntingdon Valley among the lesser known...
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Ben Stephens

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2009, 10:43:28 AM »
I would have thought it would be Carnoustie's 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th after Gary Player's Open win in 1968.

I have never come across a harder 4 hole stretch as Carnoustie's. My home course Rutland Water also has very hard last 4 holes.

The other superb 4 hole stretch is the opening 4 holes at Royal County Down.  
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Kyle Harris

Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2009, 10:45:56 AM »
Quote from: Jim Sullivan on May 16, 2009, 10:43:22 AM
Pebble is a great choice.

#9 - #12 at Shinnecock

#1 - #4 at Pine Valley

#8 - #11 at Huntingdon Valley among the lesser known...

I just set the last one up with all 4 holes directly in the middle of the greens (except 11 which is middle right) and I can't believe how tough that can play.
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Stephen Britton

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2009, 10:57:36 AM »
10 - 13 Augusta National.
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Andy Troeger

Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2009, 11:00:57 AM »
14-17 at Cypress Point would merit consideration as well.

And much less known, 12-15 at Blackwolf Run's Meadow Valleys is pretty darn good.
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Anthony Fowler

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2009, 11:04:08 AM »
It's unlikely that he was referring to any of these, but my favorites are:

6-9 @ Prairie Dunes

14-17 @ Bethpage Black

15-18 @ Merion East
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Chris Cupit

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2009, 11:05:36 AM »
For GP I am sure his four greatest have something to do with him for sure--either where he won or something he designed ;)

My nominees:

10-13 at Augusta National
15-18 at Merion
2-5 at Royal County Down (I know some would prefer 1-4 but maybe I am just weird and prefer 5 to 1.  I love have the green nestles into the hillside on 5 and you get another peek at #3 ;D)
11-14 at The Old Course with 13 being maybe the weak link on that stretch?
I echo 6-9 at Pebble Beach
1-4 at NGLA  (Great opener, Sahara, Alps and Redan) ;D
Camargo 10-13 are pretty strong too, although not a spectacularly beautiful vista
 
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Anthony Fowler

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2009, 11:06:58 AM »
Without having played the course, I would think that 7-10 @ Oakmont would deserve consideration as well.  That's if you don't mind 4 consecutive brutally difficult holes.
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Mark Bourgeois

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2009, 11:08:35 AM »
15-18 Deal
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Cory Lewis

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2009, 11:13:03 AM »
I would have to go with 3-6 at FI. Besides the obvious stretches at Pebble and Cypress, probably the most beautiful stretch of four holes on the planet.
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Ron Csigo

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2009, 11:14:55 AM »
Quote from: Anthony Fowler on May 16, 2009, 11:06:58 AM
Without having played the course, I would think that 7-10 @ Oakmont would deserve consideration as well.  That's if you don't mind 4 consecutive brutally difficult holes.

I agree with you Anthony.  Holes 7-10 at Oakmont are very difficult stretch especially if number 9 plays as a par 4 instead of a par 5 like it did in the US Open in '07.
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archie_struthers

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2009, 11:17:37 AM »
 ;) :) ;)

Note the question said finest not hardest   !   

Rave on lads!
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Adam Clayman

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2009, 11:25:55 AM »
Those who mistake difficulty for quality should re-consider.

It would've been a much more fun question to answer if it had the added words "of it's kind".
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Matthew Mollica

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2009, 11:27:34 AM »
Quote from: Mark Bourgeois on May 16, 2009, 11:08:35 AM
15-18 Deal

You disappoint me Mark. :)

I had you pegged as being of like mind with my suggestion of 3,4,5,6 Royal Melbourne West.

To be truthful, I'm surprised the thread got this long with no prior mention of RMW.

As for Mr. Player, surely the stretch of holes to which he's referring are on the course of his design he most recently opened?

MM
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Scott Warren

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2009, 11:39:43 AM »
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2009, 11:41:42 AM »
Quote from: Andy Troeger on May 16, 2009, 10:41:12 AM
No clue as to what he's referring to, but my choice is 6-9 at Pebble Beach.
PB was one that first sprung to my mind but 7-10, surely 10 is better than 6?
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Matt_Ward

Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2009, 11:58:06 AM »
Those who provide a list should try to realize that maximum versatility should be high on the pecking order.

For example, any four hole stretch should have at minimum a par-5 and par-3 holes. Also, the par-4 holes should
be quite varied -- for example, a long and short one.

Just a thought ...
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Scott Warren

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2009, 12:04:52 PM »
Why's that, Matt?
« Last Edit: May 16, 2009, 12:09:37 PM by Scott Warren »
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Andy Troeger

Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2009, 12:08:05 PM »
Quote from: Adrian_Stiff on May 16, 2009, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: Andy Troeger on May 16, 2009, 10:41:12 AM
No clue as to what he's referring to, but my choice is 6-9 at Pebble Beach.
PB was one that first sprung to my mind but 7-10, surely 10 is better than 6?


You can certainly make a good argument for #10, but I'd still easily take #6 as its quite a par five in its own right. #10 suffers from coming after #8 and #9 as the third consecutive hard par four.
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Jed Peters

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2009, 12:10:52 PM »
Quote from: Andy Troeger on May 16, 2009, 10:41:12 AM
No clue as to what he's referring to, but my choice is 6-9 at Pebble Beach.

Agreed. Probably better than 14-17 at CPC, 14 is the weakest of that group at CPC, but still stands out as pretty damn good.
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Josh Stevens

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2009, 12:13:16 PM »
maybe not up there with the great ones, but the 3rd to 6th at Royal Adelaide is pretty mean
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George Pazin

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2009, 12:16:48 PM »
1-4 Oakmont
2-5 Oakmont
3-6 Oakmont
...

 :)

Seriously, 1-4 Oakmont and 15-18 Oakmont are amazing - maybe the best combination start and finish in major championship golf?
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Tom_Doak

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Re: "The finest four consecutive holes on any course in the world"
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2009, 12:26:42 PM »
There is no "finest" stretch.  Too many candidates, and it's all subjective.

My favorite stretch might be #5 through #8 at Crystal Downs, which I just played again yesterday.  I have never played another hole like any of the four.  Try to top that!
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