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A question for Mike DeVriesMike, as the El Boqueron plan has no scale, I was wondering how you have gone about trying to determine or estimate the length of holes Mackenzie had planned? As the green complexes appear large, as a result the holes look on the short side as a result. Have you a length target in mind for your course and how does this differ from what Mac intended? Thanks.
Mike - I had the same question Neil and Jay have, but was afraid to ask because I thought it was just me, missing something. Also, on another thread TE references the talks Behr and MacKenzie were having around this time about designing with little or no rough, and the use of melded fairways - what do you envision re fairway widths here?ThanksPeter
Quote from: Jay Kirkpatrick on March 09, 2009, 04:59:47 PMI second Neil's question. From the plan, I couldn't tell the number of par 5s vs. par 4s. Any additional details would be welcome.
I second Neil's question. From the plan, I couldn't tell the number of par 5s vs. par 4s. Any additional details would be welcome.
Thanks for this Mike, I figured you may have done it by property lines as there appear to be lines on Mac's plan, but old aerials of the Dentone course seem like they have done the trick. I am a little surprised that Mackenzie did not put the hole lengths on the plan, given that pretty much every Mac plan I've seen has a card on it - perhaps this is the exception that proves the rule!The plan does look rather tight in the area you mention and a little spreading would certainly not go amiss from a safety and a "breathing" perspective. But I guess this is limited somewhat by having all double greens.Appreciate you taking the time to respond to these questions.cheers Neil
Mike DeVries, you pretty much inherited the routing. But do you have more latitude with the greens and greens complexes? The bunkers?
Quote from: Jim Nugent on March 11, 2009, 02:00:33 AMMike DeVries, you pretty much inherited the routing. But do you have more latitude with the greens and greens complexes? The bunkers? Jim,This is not a set of construction drawings but an illustrative drawing that provides quite a bit of detail in the sketch. I want to do justice to MacKenzie's work and do not feel the need to add more bunkers -- certainly, the construction of the bunkers and greens will offer interpretation of the drawing and my experience with MacKenzie's work. To do it correctly will require a great deal of time and attention to the details in the field to give it the touch of MacKenzie. This golf course will feel and play old school.Hope that answers your question.Mike
With the permission of messrs Devries and Edel perhaps we can putb together some sort of book on the project..that would dare I say it so cool.I am going to the area in may to spend some time at Boot Ranch and surrounding area, and would love to "pop in" if that would be possible.Great stuff...
Mike, DavidI hope this isn't a silly question but....is it possible to play this course in reverse? Given the double greens, I just wonder. James B
Alfonso,Jaime Zuberbuhler led me to believe it was named after an important battle between Paraguay and Argentina backin the day. The battle was named EL Boqueron. I have been working so hard on other details, that trying to find out more about the name or why should something that I pay more attention to. I did ask Jaime and that was his response. Anchovies anyone?David"Where do you play?" "I am a member at Achovie Golf Club!" I think we will stick with El Boqueron.