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Any time that I have been there the courses have been crowded...so considering the rates I think they are making some money.You have to make a tee time two months out for a summer WS tee time @ $300+
When Eddie and I started going to play the only course there it was the first year it opened. 1989 (I think). The GCA was a huge draw because the quality of the available golf in Chicago, was to say the least, the least. Yes, we'd play Pine Meadows and Cog Hill frequently, but compared to the River-Valley course, they were woefully inadequate for inspiring accessible golf. JWinick- When the decision was made to bastardize the original course, I didn't realize how good the original was until I found this forum and learned what made quality gca. Looking back on that original, compared to the current River course, epitomizes the difference between a great golf course and a collection of 18 holes. That's the real only knock on the resort.
I got to admit I do not understand your affection for the original Kohler 18 given what I know about your general outlook on GCA. 1,2, and 4 are quite artificial holes with big artificial mounding. Same goes for 14 and 15. Meanwhile, 5-13 seem to fit well with the property without as much of that stuff, though the walk to 5 is bad. Same artificiality exists on 11, 12 and 13 of the Meadow/Valley (and maybe 15 too), though the rest of the Meadow that was part of the original course is inspiring. Except for the two long walks, I don't see how adding 5-13 of the River course detracted from the experience. In fact, these holes eliminate some of the "resort" feeling I get from the course.
I might be wrong, but isn't Paiute also all Pete Dye?
is it successful? or is herb kohler so rich it doesn't matter. just wondering
He did not listen to the usual conventional wisdom of golf marketing guys because he just avoids all of those guys entirely.
Quote from: Pat Craig on December 16, 2008, 12:13:07 PMAny time that I have been there the courses have been crowded...so considering the rates I think they are making some money.You have to make a tee time two months out for a summer WS tee time @ $300+Pat, I will be interested to see if the long advance bookings are seen this summer given the economic climate. There will be a lot less business golf being played there as expense accounts are tightened. Time will tell. Jack
Pat, Congrats on the big day! Whatever the cost ,view it as a downpayment for a lifetime of happiness! I proposed to my wife at Pebble and honeymooned in Scotland /Ireland - 10 rds in 14 days! Celebrated our 10th last May in Carmel and managed to squeeze in some golf with some GCA lads in the area. You only go around once so do it right! Jack
It just doesn't feel that there was much 'vanity' in either of these vanity projects..Peter