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Geez louise, I've never played a green like that in my life. I'm getting scared just looking at it... You know how we talk a lot about half-par holes around here. I guess there are number of ways to get that effect/outcome. But Mike seems to make you THINK it's happening from tee to green (a feat in itself) but then has you realizing (probably too late) that it's ACTUALLY happening on the putting surface....until the next time you play the hole, and then -- because you may have learned something about the green -- it goes back to ACTUALLY happening from tee to green and then happens DIFFERENTLY on the putting surface. That is just great architecture...Does that make sense to anyone? Peter
This is my absolute favorite short par 4 that I've ever played. There are so many way to play this hole and all sorts of scores that are possible. I played 36 there last October and had a 6 on my first try. I tried to lay up left and pulled one into the crap on the left. (It should not be in play!). The 2nd time around I decided to go right for it with a 3 wood. This is where my tee shot ended up. It sure is easier this way!
A view from the back tee
Wow, taking out the trees between #14 and 15 looks fantastic. I don't remember that stone wall left of #14 down near the green. Was that put up in recent years? I seem to remember a barb wire fence if anything. I love the look off the tee and how the open area to the left draws lots of tee shots even after you know you can carry the junk. The second shot is a bit anticlimatic for someone like me who can't reach the green in two. The green is fantastic and requires your complete attention no matter how short the chip or putt may be.
Quote from: Bill_McBride on February 04, 2009, 09:30:54 AM If I could make one recommendation about that course, it would be to cut that rough down to maybe 2" so it might be possible for one of those inevitable blocks to be easily located and maybe even bounce down onto the fairway.Ace, Since you are a member in good standing on this site, we will just pretend you never said that. #12 is a solid hole. The tee shot doesn't set up well for my eye for some reason (I get the same feel on #7). The approach shot is the tricky part due to the falling away nature of some of the green. On to #13 please and one of the craziest greens in golf.
If I could make one recommendation about that course, it would be to cut that rough down to maybe 2" so it might be possible for one of those inevitable blocks to be easily located and maybe even bounce down onto the fairway.
I like it when the carry, even on the ideal line, is more manageable than it first appears. I like it when the disorientation of a blind/semi blind second shot isn't compounded by a narrow or hazard-strewn landing area. I like it when the green surrounds on a Par 5 (and not even an overly long one) give the conservative player a bit of a break while challenging the bolder and/or longer hitter. Call me faint of heart if you will, but I'm guessing that after the 13th green I'd really appreciate a do-able Par 5 (usually my least favourite of all the par-types in any event...)Peter
Ha - good one, George.I do like it, a lot. And that's saying something, because it's true that Par 5s are usually my least favourite holes on any golf course. I can't really give a reasonable defense of that narrow-minded point of view, but there it is.I haven't read through the entire thread in a while, so I don't remember -- have you played Kingsley? If so, was it as fun to play after the 13th as I imagine?ThanksPeter