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Mike , This was my favorite hole on the front 9. We played the West tees at 130 yds and it was a 9 or a wedge for the five of us-oops,yes we moved along quickly. I thought this was one of the scariest , but manageable shots if you hit the shot right. It is penal and 4 is a good # if you miss the green. Just a great short par 3. One of my top 10 short par3's. Jack
Is that an alternate hole in the 1st pic? Perhaps a 19th hole?
I never saw the course before the trees along 17 and 10/18 were cut, but Im almost thinking I like the look a little better than without trees...
(have they built a formal clubhouse there?)
Putts on this green are difficult to read but very makeable and not that punitive (definitely not as severe as the Downs 10th, Ed!).
Perhaps this is odd, but I am a bit surprised by the bunkering down the left of this hole. It looks out of scale with hummocks. Does anybody think these should be bigger bunkers or perhaps removed? They seem to be betwixt and between. I was also thinking more nasty looking bunkers down the left might encourage folks to pull a Schmidtie. Ciao
The 10th was originally a bunkerless hole with dense trees on the right between the 10th and 18th holes. The existing back tee was added a few years ago and there is a spot to add another tee (for 465+ yards) along the entrance drive if necessary in the future. The original back tee is the one at 393 and the regular tee was just in front of that on the same landform. I really liked the hole in the original state and it was definitely more subtle than the bolder holes on the front. The change in transition was magnified by making the turn to the back nine and this was ultimately one of the reasons for the changes I will discuss.The right side of the fairway had agronomic issues for the fescue, due to the mass of forest to the south of the hole (between 10 and 18) and we thinned out the trees for a couple years to improve the turf quality, but it was still behind the open turf areas elsewhere on the course. Owner Ed Walker recommended adding bunkers to help with the transition from front to back and we added the 3 (circular) bunkers on the left, the large bunker about 50 yards short and right of the green (tucked into a couple of large beech trees on a small knoll), and the large bunker at the left approach – these were an immediate improvement to the transition from the open front to the back.
MikeThank you for the explanation. Why did you choose small round bunkers on this hole? Also, with the trees cleared, does there need to be that bunkering to help the transition?Ciao
As to the circular nature of the bunkers on the left – there is a mainline on the left that affected their placement without changing a mainline routing and patching into big pipe (the pump station is in the range, so this is the main that feeds the back nine), but I think they have lost a little of their ruggedness since built and we should look into amending them a bit – thanks for the critique!
A quick and interesting note on the 10th at CD. The first time I played there did the back and forth thing three times, X. Several plays have yielded quite the same results, but one late fall day 2 yrs. ago during a 36 session things really went my way. 1st go around, smashed a driver, had probably 60-80 yrds to a front right pin, NASTY. Hit a nice little half wedge left of pin, came to rest about a 2 feet from the hole for a bird.2nd go around, topped a driver, had 230 or more, obv. uphill to that little bitch of a green. Hit a perfect choked up 3 wood, on the leftest line humanly possible, bounce short, and I lost it, couldn't see it. Having known the tendency's of this green, I figured It had about a 1 / 100 chance of holding the green. I've seen plenty of pretty nice shots, from 150 - 170 yards that refuse to hold the green. Anyways, when I arrived at the green I was happy to find my ball in a nearly identical spot and went on to make my second bird of the day. So all in all I hit driver / lob wedge driver / 3-wood for two birds that day. Later that night I did not hit the Mega-Millions Jackpot. Sorry for the interruption, but I've been wanting to share this for a long time.
Quote from: Mike_DeVries on January 20, 2009, 11:09:21 PMPutts on this green are difficult to read but very makeable and not that punitive (definitely not as severe as the Downs 10th, Ed!).Amen to that comment! The 10th at the Downs may be the single most severe green I've ever played anywhere factoring in the pin position and green speed we faced the day we played it.
Quote from: Tim Bert on January 21, 2009, 12:05:55 AMQuote from: Mike_DeVries on January 20, 2009, 11:09:21 PMPutts on this green are difficult to read but very makeable and not that punitive (definitely not as severe as the Downs 10th, Ed!).Amen to that comment! The 10th at the Downs may be the single most severe green I've ever played anywhere factoring in the pin position and green speed we faced the day we played it. Tim,That is until you got to the 11th....
Quote from: Tim Bert on January 21, 2009, 12:05:55 AMQuote from: Mike_DeVries on January 20, 2009, 11:09:21 PMPutts on this green are difficult to read but very makeable and not that punitive (definitely not as severe as the Downs 10th, Ed!).Amen to that comment! The 10th at the Downs may be the single most severe green I've ever played anywhere factoring in the pin position and green speed we faced the day we played it. The 10th is certainly one of the hardest greens anywhere you will ever see. My best story on that green, having played many a round there, is I went back a few years ago and played with Nev and the assistant superintendent and a member in a real blood match (they closed us out on the 13th hole). The pin was middle/frontish and all the way left. I somehow hit it to the left of the pin and it didn't really kick right like I thought. I was 1 foot off the green and only 6 feet or so from the pin, above the hole on the green. Turned to the Assist-Super and said "Don, how do I get this up and down". He turned to me and said, "Turn around and putt it to the back of the green and leave yourself a level 40 foot putt coming back." I refused to do that and obviously my next shot was that damn bunker shot in front when you roll off.I do think that the green has gotten harder over time. I don't know who can confirm this but in the 15 years I've been playing there they have really softened the left side. There used to be longer grass there right up to the fringe (now it is mowed shorter) and I really think the green, because of mowing patterns, has expanded to the left a little. Don't know if there is a way to confirm that. It just seems to me that around the green it has changed a little.
The eleventh is an example of how a hole fits into and adds to the completeness of the routing. On a stand-alone basis, it is clearly not the most thrilling of the five one shotters, nevertheless it adds to the rhythm of the course. After the ninth hole, the tenth and eleventh are very solid holes, but provide excellent balance and are a pleasant change from some of the more daunting and white-knuckle experiences from the front side. Also, they are a brief interlude before the back side really heats up!