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Mike Boehm

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2008, 06:19:41 PM »
As far as I know, none of these are on  any Top 100 lists, public or private:

Tobacco Road
University of Michigan
Muskegon CC (Mich.)
Wuskowhan Players Club
Oak Hills CC (San Antonio)
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Joe Bausch

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2008, 06:29:22 PM »
Quote from: Sean Arble on July 06, 2008, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: Joe Bausch on July 06, 2008, 06:02:45 PM
I'm going to do a regional non top 100 top 5, from the greater Philadelphia area:

1.  Inniscrone (hey, Jim Coleman, please respond now how much you hate this course!)
2.  Cobb's Creek (AFTER restoration, ;)  )
3.  Lederach
4.  Pilgrim's Oak
5.  Merion West

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Joe

Lederach would have been my #6.  Talk to me about Inniscrone - sounds interesting.

Ciao

Inniscrone has been talked about plenty here.  It is incredibly polarizing, IMO.  It seems a few people love it (those that know what the heck they are talking about, ;)  ), while most hate it.  It is an early Gil Hanse design that started private and now is public and can be had from Forewinds Hospitality for a sum of seven figures I'm told, with the first number not far above two.

Ran did a write-up on it and that is a great place to start:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/inniscrone1.html

I have a more extensive picture documentation of 'Scrone here:

http://darwin.chem.villanova.edu/~bausch/images/Inniscrone/

Inniscrone is one of a handful of courses that met my personal litmus test of a fine design:  after my first round there I could remember every hole in order with very little difficulty.  I realize many people on this site can remember the 14th hole of a putt-putt course from their family vacay when they were six years old, but easily recounting an entire course only happens with fantastic layouts for me.

The par 4 16th at Inniscrone, also vigorously talked about here, is one of my all-time favorite par 4's.  I've never played another hole quite like it.

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Ed Oden

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2008, 06:43:01 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on July 06, 2008, 06:29:22 PM
Inniscrone is one of a handful of courses that met my personal litmus test of a fine design:  after my first round there I could remember every hole in order with very little difficulty.  I realize many people on this site can remember the 14th hole of a putt-putt course from their family vacay when they were six years old, but easily recounting an entire layout only happens with fantastic layouts for me.

Joe, I have always had similar feelings.  There have been many supposedly "great" courses that 5 minutes after finishing the round its all a fog.  On the the other hand, other lesser known courses are immediately memorable.  I won't go so far as to say it is a threshold for evaluation.  But its pretty close.

Ed
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John Moore II

Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2008, 07:14:08 PM »
Courses I want to get back to play:
Tobacco Road (I could probably play this course once a month, and I would still enjoy going back and want to get back quickly)
Olde Liberty (I want to see what it looks like once they get the grass in fully)
Park Ridge (FLA, while not the best, certainly the most interesting and unique course I played while in Florida)
The President CC (Whichever course I played, best I played in Fla.)
Eagle Point
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2008, 08:34:26 PM »
1. Palmetto GC
2. Cuscowilla
3. Tobacco Road
4. Tot Hill Farm
5. Callaway Gardens--Mountain View
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David_Madison

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2008, 09:23:25 PM »
1. Sleepy Hollow
2. Upper Baltusrol
3. Old Town
4. Caledonia
5. Fenway
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John_Conley

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2008, 11:17:34 PM »
Quote from: Tim Gavrich on July 06, 2008, 08:34:26 PM
1. Palmetto GC
2. Cuscowilla
3. Tobacco Road
4. Tot Hill Farm
5. Callaway Gardens--Mountain View


As mentioned, it decides which list someone goes by.  Cuscowilla is near the top of the Modern 100 by GOLFWEEK.

Some for me:

Jeff Brauer's renovation of Indian Creek - Cool greensites on an already solid routing

Golden Valley in Minnesota, as well as other favorites up there like Cloquet, Owatonna, & Winona  Neighboring Wisconsin has Eau Claire.

Makena - I'm leaving out Plantation...like Shelman says, this means I'm on Maui

Closer to my present Orlando home is the Dunes at Seville.  It is undergoing renovation I believe.
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2008, 11:24:58 PM »
Upper Baltusrol is Top 100 in several places. Good idea though.
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Gerry B

Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2008, 11:35:24 PM »
depends on which top 100 list one is referring to but here are a few:

yale

st thomas

longue vue

pasatiempo

the sheep ranch

rockaway hunt club  which i played today for the 1st time - a few clunker holes but the great ones were tremendous -some all world green complexes - reminded me at times of atlantic city cc and maidstone

lookout mountain

st louis cc -was there last week - they are closing for 9 months to re-do the fairways - a lot of fun to play

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Matt_Cohn

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2008, 11:38:44 PM »
Quote from: Matt_Cohn on July 06, 2008, 12:46:54 PM
Good question.

The Rim
Mauna Kea
Paa-Ko Ridge
Knollwood (Chicago)
The Bridges at RSF

Subject to editing.

Lake Merced
MPCC (either)

And a couple of hometown honorable mentions...
La Jolla
Rancho Santa Fe CC
RSF Farms
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Sean_A

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2008, 02:43:47 AM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on July 06, 2008, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: Sean Arble on July 06, 2008, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: Joe Bausch on July 06, 2008, 06:02:45 PM
I'm going to do a regional non top 100 top 5, from the greater Philadelphia area:

1.  Inniscrone (hey, Jim Coleman, please respond now how much you hate this course!)
2.  Cobb's Creek (AFTER restoration, ;)  )
3.  Lederach
4.  Pilgrim's Oak
5.  Merion West

==========

Joe

Lederach would have been my #6.  Talk to me about Inniscrone - sounds interesting.

Ciao

Inniscrone has been talked about plenty here.  It is incredibly polarizing, IMO.  It seems a few people love it (those that know what the heck they are talking about, ;)  ), while most hate it.  It is an early Gil Hanse design that started private and now is public and can be had from Forewinds Hospitality for a sum of seven figures I'm told, with the first number not far above two.

Ran did a write-up on it and that is a great place to start:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/inniscrone1.html

I have a more extensive picture documentation of 'Scrone here:

http://darwin.chem.villanova.edu/~bausch/images/Inniscrone/

Inniscrone is one of a handful of courses that met my personal litmus test of a fine design:  after my first round there I could remember every hole in order with very little difficulty.  I realize many people on this site can remember the 14th hole of a putt-putt course from their family vacay when they were six years old, but easily recounting an entire course only happens with fantastic layouts for me.

The par 4 16th at Inniscrone, also vigorously talked about here, is one of my all-time favorite par 4's.  I've never played another hole quite like it.



Cheers Joe.  The course looks quite interesting and a bit Merionish in places.  Its certainly one to consider for a future visit.  How is the pace of play?  This was the one area of concern I had for Lederach.  It seems that if an archie gets bold with his design then the already strained game is slowed even moreso.   

Ciao
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John Mayhugh

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2008, 08:54:40 AM »
US
Long Shadow
Mountain Lake
MPCC Shore (if using Golf Mag list)

Ireland
County Louth
The Island
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Chip Gaskins

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2008, 09:27:14 AM »
Using Golf Magazine's Top 100 World list...

Waterville
European Club
Bandon Trails
Tobacco Road
Baltimore CC
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Cory Lewis

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2008, 10:30:24 AM »
Bidermann
Pine Barrens
Meadow Club
Laurel Hill
The Sagamore
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Tom Ferrell

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2008, 10:38:21 AM »
1.  Dunbar Links
2.  Fernandina Beach Muni (will be there next week, actually)
3.  Pelican Hill South (just for the views and the canyon carries)
4.  Okefenokee GC (grew up there, best hidden gem EVER)
5.  Sawgrass CC (old Sawgrass, original Players host)

Haven't played any of these in multiple years, but all have great reasons for wanting to go back.
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Ian Andrew

Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2008, 10:05:26 PM »
Western Gailles - for the shear fun of it
Prestwick - for the inspiration
Jasper - lessons on scale
Tobacco Road - out to the edge
Essex County - for the perfect grass lines
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Anthony Gray

Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2008, 10:33:18 PM »


  This is easy. North Berwick and Prestwick. I must not know golf because I have no idea why they are not in the top 100.

         Anthony

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Jim Nugent

Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2008, 01:32:07 AM »
Westwood CC in St. Louis
Palos Verdes CC
St. Louis CC
Gleneagles in San Francisco
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Ed Tilley

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2008, 03:47:30 AM »
Perranporth
Enniscrone (how this is not top 100 in GB & I I'll never know)
Portrush Valley (ditto)
Boat of Garten
Dooks
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2008, 03:57:41 AM »
Royal Cinque Ports
West Berwick
Berkshire Red
Old Elm
Flossmoor
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Ian_L

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2008, 04:03:51 AM »
Quote from: Anthony Gray on December 03, 2008, 10:33:18 PM


  This is easy. North Berwick and Prestwick. I must not know golf because I have no idea why they are not in the top 100.

         Anthony



North Berwick is now in the GOLF Magazine top 100. ;)

Mine would be:
Claremont CC
Enniscrone, Ireland
Narin & Portnoo, Ireland
Northstar-at-Tahoe, simply to avenge myself for the back nine debacle I had in the forest over the summer.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2008, 04:22:39 AM »
Good call Ed,

Boat of Garten
Machrie?
Southerness
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Dave Bourgeois

Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2008, 07:45:14 AM »
Inwood
Orchard Creek (NY)
Beechtree
Indian Creek (Brauer's in TX- Very cool greens)
Wintonbury Hills
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Andy Silis

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2008, 08:06:42 AM »
San Antonio CC
Del Paso CC
Cal Club
East Hampton
Rockaway Hunting Club
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PThomas

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Re: What are the 5 non Top 100 Courses you most want to get back to
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2008, 09:36:41 AM »
off the top of my head:

Marquette Park in CHicago - the 9 holer i grew up on....to see if its gotten any better

Manufacturers - played before the restoration work

French Lick /Ross course - great fun

Kirtland - should be in the top 100!

Broadmoor in IN - played in heavy rain
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