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Richard Mandell

Best golf holes on flat ground
« on: July 24, 2002, 01:17:51 PM »
Let me give you a topic:  Best golf hole on flat ground (Where the original site, per hole, has less than ten feet of fall).  Nominations?   Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Mike_Cirba

Re: Best golf holes on flat ground
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2002, 01:40:55 PM »
Richard;

Great question!

The first hole that popped to mind is the 1st at Garden City, which is a great short par four loaded with danger and options, without a smidgeon of noticeable elevation change.
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Rob_Waldron

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Re: Best golf holes on flat ground
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2002, 02:19:23 PM »
One of the best collections of holes on a flat piece of ground is Pine Tree in Boynton Beach, FL. Hogan referred to Pine Tree as the "best flat course in the Country". The holes move gracfully around water hazards and bunkers and through treelined fairways. The only real elevation are the tees and greens!
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Jeff Mingay

Re: Best golf holes on flat ground
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2002, 03:29:46 PM »
On flat ground, it's all about the green complexes. The greens and their surrounding hazards dictate strategy, add interest to play, and challenge to scoring much more so than anything else between the tee and the hole (ie. bunkers).

One of the best "case studies" in creating a great golf course on flat ground is Essex G&CC in Windsor, Ont. At Essex, in 1928-29, Donald Ross literally planned 18 varied and interesting greens but very little else. The fairways were originally in excess of 50 yards wide with a few sporadically placed fairway bunkers here and there.

Essex is fantastic in that it proves how simple golf course architecture can be -- a good routing, and 18 varied and interesting green complexes. That's all you need. None other than Ben Crenshaw emphasized this point when he visited Essex a few weeks back during the Canadian Senior Open.

As for Essex' best hole? See the 388 yard par 4 16th in its original form. The green is divided into three separate "cupping areas" separated by gentle terraces.

Most interesting is a lobe of green surface (missing today) that jutted between to greenside bunkers at right. When the pin was tucked back there it was imperative to drive down the left side of the fairway -- especially during the summertime in the days before fairway irrigation!

Conversely, a hole cut on the high plateau at back-left of the 16th green necessitated a tee shot down the right side of the fairway -- which not longer exists.

Three bunkers down the right side of the 16th hole were added in the early 1980s, resulting in a significant narrowing of the fairway. The only option off the tee today is left, or right and short of the bunkers (220 yds. or so).

Essex' 16th is today a perfect illustratation of the course's evolution from a classic Ross "second shot" design into one that places a premium on straight driving.
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Hart Huffines

Re: Best golf holes on flat ground
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2002, 04:22:33 PM »
Pinehurst #2 - Holes 1, 2,3,11,12, and 15.
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Richard Mandell

Re: Best golf holes on flat ground
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2002, 05:29:00 PM »
Shivas:

I mean the hole is on flat land, not the entire course.  Only the hole and the hole has no more than ten feet of elevation change.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Best golf holes on flat ground
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2002, 07:15:40 PM »
Richard Mandell,

# 10 and #16 at Seminole, and many holes at Old Marsh, Boca Rio, Pine Tree and other Florida courses.

Garden City Golf Club has a few that I would include as well.
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M.W. Burrows

Re: Best golf holes on flat ground
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2002, 07:42:54 PM »
Other than the greens being elevated:

Winged Foot West's front nine!

#18 The Country Club at Brookline
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