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Sean:I think the perception of #16 had everything to do with the burn across the fairway. In the old days they assumed most players would have to lay up, so they put the tee a bit further back ... and if you lay up you have about 180 into that green, so you could call that a par five.I wonder exactly when that was changed? It was certainly called a par 4 when I first saw it in 1982, but I didn't remember carrying the burn with ease back then ... maybe it was still 20 yards longer and it wasn't so easy to get over.I am sure that the turn-of-the-century course did not go out as far as the current ninth green ... I assumed it went from 8 tee toward 10 green somehow, but I have never tried to piece it together in detail. I believe someone told me the current par-3 tenth green is Colt's ... it looks like it could be, anyway.
Can anyone think of a hole that plays over a wall, a burn and to such a wild green as 16? When you place it in perspective it really is a crazy hole.
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Here is something I posted last year in a discussion with Rihc about the Redan. It deals with some of the architectural changes prior to the twentieth century.1877 North Berwick expanded from nine holes to 18 holes, to Eli Burn. The Redan would have now been the 15th hole, but it is unclear where the 14th hole (Alps/Perfection or the former fifth hole?) was then so it is unclear how far the shot was to the Redan hole, or if there was a teeing ground.
Rich,From the routing, it appears that the tee for High Bent was left of 13 green and over the dune which is behind said green creating a blind par 3 given the remark about the "Alps" feature.It also seems as though the former Perfection tee was in front of the "Alps" of the current 14th hole and had the green located behind the wall.Is this correct?? If so, both sound like very fun holes in their own right.Chris
Hi Sean,In the routing plan of 1877 from the other thread, the teeing ground seems to be in an area behind the dune in the back of the Pit. I don't remember such an area so I have to assume that it has since eroded.I just reviewed Famous Golf Links in which Hutchinson called High Bent "a leap in the dark for a stranger". This seems to support the idea of this hole being blind from the tee.Cheers!Chris