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Marty Bonnar

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What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« on: January 18, 2008, 04:13:44 PM »
The dunes are crumbling in the transition zone:




...requiring a combination of Gabions and chespale marram support...




and MAJOR gabion work just about directly behind the Eden...




...and a MASSIVELY long gabion mattress all the way along....




Come play soon. It WILL NOT be there forever... :'(

FBD
« Last Edit: January 18, 2008, 04:18:14 PM by Martin Glynn Bonnar »
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J Sadowsky

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 04:43:03 PM »
It's reasons like this that make me wonder why there is so much tension between golf and environmentalism.  
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Bill_McBride

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 04:59:45 PM »
Nephew, please keep up the good work!  ;D
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 05:08:50 PM »
Unc,
we are trying!

Working very closely with Links Trust on a very grand 'sand-recharging' operation in near future hopefully. Taking sand from the spit over at Tentsmuir and re-depositing it at the Links. Losing battle I fear (eventually), but we have to try something.

Funnily enough, the sand/water line has actually moved for the better. I'll try and dig out the old B&W and the recent aerials for comparison.

best,
neffers M.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 05:29:08 PM »
Here's the SEPA prediction (CAUTION: 18 rated - contains scenes liable to cause heart failure in golf course architecturites)

http://tinyurl.com/38votk

"anyone know if gopherwood grows in Scotland?"
FBD.

PS THANX, Brian!
« Last Edit: January 19, 2008, 06:30:12 AM by Martin Glynn Bonnar »
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The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Jason McNamara

Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 05:59:29 PM »
Martin, has St. A. ever been flooded to that extent in the past 200 years?
« Last Edit: January 18, 2008, 06:00:42 PM by Jason McNamara »
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2008, 07:20:19 PM »
Jason,
no, nothing quite like that. Thankfully!
SEPA use lots of data to predict possible outcomes. This is really a worst-case scenario view. But, VERY possible!
Given the positively Biblical rainfall we seem to encounter more and more currently, it may well not be far away.
I don't think we get any MORE rain than I can recall in my lifetime, it just seems to come in greater individual bursts now more than evenly spread over the year.

FBD.

PS can anyone remind me how to shorten that loooooong url???
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Kalen Braley

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2008, 07:52:42 PM »
Martin,

With the massive green fees, packed tee sheets, and assuming the land is paid for,  ::)  ::), I would imagine they should have plenty resources and otherwise to keep up this work and keep the course intact..  ;)
« Last Edit: January 18, 2008, 07:53:30 PM by Kalen Braley »
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Brian Phillips

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2008, 02:56:58 AM »
Martin,

Just go to tinyurl.com

here is yours:

http://tinyurl.com/38votk
« Last Edit: January 19, 2008, 02:57:57 AM by Brian Phillips »
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Jason McNamara

Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2008, 02:24:00 AM »
Quote from: Martin Glynn Bonnar on January 18, 2008, 07:20:19 PM
Jason,
no, nothing quite like that. Thankfully!
SEPA use lots of data to predict possible outcomes. This is really a worst-case scenario view. But, VERY possible!
Given the positively Biblical rainfall we seem to encounter more and more currently, it may well not be far away.

The graphic represented a 200-year flood map, if I read it right.  Curious that would be their estimate, if the area hasn't flooded in the last two hundred.  And no allowance for any flood defense (er, defence) anywhere?  Truly a worst-case scenario.

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I don't think we get any MORE rain than I can recall in my lifetime, it just seems to come in greater individual bursts now more than evenly spread over the year.

How does that saying go?  
"The climate is great - it's the weather that sucks."
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2008, 02:34:10 PM »
I just finished reading Tommy's Honor (which should be Tommy's Honour - but that's another story) and it talks about how what is now the first fairway would regularly be flooded in the mid-late 19th century.  

Martin you would know this - wouldn't much of the Jubilee and New Courses have been under water prior to these efforts in the 1850-80s or so?
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Eddie Adams

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2008, 03:10:06 PM »
I can remember hearing once from one of the old caddies called Wullie Rutherford AKA The Camel that the area on the 12th Fairway Old Course was sea level or below and was prone to flooding prior to the construction of the main drain that services the New, Old and Eden course when that was only god knows but my best bet would be around the early 1900s.
To my knowledge the only areas on the Old Course which can be prone to bouts of flooding is the Ist Fairway and several bunkers on the course including Shell which is close if not on sea level.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2008, 10:52:42 PM »
Quote from: Wayne_Kozun on January 20, 2008, 02:34:10 PM
I just finished reading Tommy's Honor (which should be Tommy's Honour - but that's another story) and it talks about how what is now the first fairway would regularly be flooded in the mid-late 19th century.  

Martin you would know this - wouldn't much of the Jubilee and New Courses have been under water prior to these efforts in the 1850-80s or so?

Wayne, New was built in 1895, Jubilee in 1897, Eden 1914?
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2008, 11:06:50 PM »
When were the boats buried on the beach at St Andrews?  Wasn't that around 1860?
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Marty Bonnar

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Re:What it takes to protect the Auld Coorse
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2008, 02:44:17 PM »
Quote from: Wayne_Kozun on January 21, 2008, 11:06:50 PM
When were the boats buried on the beach at St Andrews?  Wasn't that around 1860?

Wayne,
1893:

http://tinyurl.com/yqe4t9

cheers,
FBD.
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