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George Pazin

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Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« on: October 21, 2007, 02:02:05 PM »
Sorry if this has been covered and I've just missed it, but it seems like there hasn't been a whole lot of talk about what different architects have in the pipeline.

Where are C&C working now?

To any of the architects who post, what courses do you have opening this year or next? Tom? Jeff? Love Design? Mike Young? Ian? Brian Phillips? Tim Liddy? Richard Mandell? (I know I'm going to overlook some guys, so apologies in advance.)

How about some of the architects who have posted but don't much anymore? Gil Hanse? Todd Eckenrode? Mike DeVries? Neal Meagher?

How about Rees, Fazio, Nicklaus, etc? Anyone know if they have anything special on the horizon?

Please note, I'm just curious to know what is coming up, I'm not looking to start bashing or salivating early.

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Joe Hancock

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 02:05:22 PM »
George,

DeVries has nothing opening in the next year. I wish I had more to elaborate on than that.

Joe
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Kyle Harris

Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 02:07:14 PM »
Kelly Moran will be finished with Heritage Creek in Jamison, PA in 2008 or 2009.
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 02:29:52 PM »
George:

We didn't open any new courses in 2007 -- after a bunch in 2006, our latest projects were all quite time-consuming in construction.

2008 will be different:

The Renaissance Club at Archerfield -- opens spring 2008.  
Aetna Springs (9 h) in northern California -- spring 2008.  
Rock Creek Cattle Company, Montana -- June, 2008.
Wicked Pony in Oregon (if all goes well, some of it's still rock) -- fall 2008.

Our project at the Bay of Dreams in Mexico will probably open sometime in 2009.  Our next two construction starts, Old Macdonald at Bandon and the Cacique project in Costa Rica, are not scheduled to open until 2010.  

It's possible that a couple of projects we've got in the early planning stages would be open before those, but I can't say yet ... in fact I can't say anything about them.


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Forrest Richardson

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 02:36:30 PM »
Olivas Links (Ventura, CA) opened in June. Peacock Gap (San Rafael, CA) opens early 2008. Peacock was a rebuild of a Wm. F. Bell design from the early 1960s. Wish there was more, but lots of work has moved slowly due to a variety of factors. I would be hesitant to predict beyond mid-2008.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 02:52:42 PM »
I'll have two new course openings and one total redo, all in Texas.  All got grassed too late this year because of Tx rains, so expect July-August 2008 openings.

Bridges of Preston Crossing, Gunter, TX - New 18 with Fred Couples

Villages of Lone Oak, Lone Oak, TX - New 18

Weeks Park Golf Course, Wichita Falls, TX - Total 18 hole redo, with substantial rerouting

Oh, and I also have Gene Torrez Golf Course in Las Vegas, NM, a nine holer, opening sometime next sping.
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paul cowley

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 04:01:59 PM »
Love Golf Design has a few opening;

Brunswick CC, Brunswick Ga...an 18 hole Ross restoration in that should open in two weeks.

River Hall...a new 18 hole private development course in Ft Meyers, Fla.....and it should open early in 08.

The Club at Irish Creek, Kannapolis, NC...a total redo plus five new holes [formerly the Kannapolis CC]. It should open early 08.

Ricefields in Riceboro, Ga....an 18 hole private that should open late 08.

The Dunes Course, Cabo San Lucas....an 18 hole resort course that should open in mid 08.

The Newark CC, about three miles from Newark, Del...but over the border in Maryland....an 18 hole semi private that should open late 08 or in 09.

LGD should start three more during 08.


In addition I am collaborating with Forrest Fezler to build an 18 hole semi private course in Gainesville Fl, Oak Tree Landing, that could start in late 08.....and another course 18 hole semi private course [as yet unnamed], in Del Rey Oaks, CA....that should begin construction in 09 [or 10 or 11 ....this is Ca. after all]

...and as any of the previous designers can attest to, there are always others out there floating around in various planning stages, but that are really hard to plan on as yet.

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bakerg

Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 07:17:27 PM »
Paul- Is the Dunes Course the Diamante place with Mickelson doing the other course?

2008 Openings:

Castle Course DMKidd

2009 Openings:

Machrihanish Dunes DMKidd
Castle Stuart G. Hanse
Prairie Club??
Baker's Bay Fazio


2011
Grateful Dunes?

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bakerg

Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2007, 08:03:08 PM »
One more:

2008

Cabot Links?
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paul cowley

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 08:09:14 PM »
Quote from: Gary Baker on October 21, 2007, 07:17:27 PM
Paul- Is the Dunes Course the Diamante place with Mickelson doing the other course?

2008 Openings:

Castle Course DMKidd

2009 Openings:

Machrihanish Dunes DMKidd
Castle Stuart G. Hanse
Prairie Club??
Baker's Bay Fazio


2011
Grateful Dunes?



Gary.....yes, both courses are on the same propety.
The Mickelson course is behind the dunes.
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Bill Satterfield

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 09:13:04 PM »
Tom Fazio has what appears to be a stellar course up on Lake Coeur d'Alene officially opening up in 2008 although there has been some play late this year on it.  It is called Gozzer Ranch and is located in Harrison, ID.  Here is a link:

http://www.gozzerranchclub.com/golf/
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Bill Satterfield

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2007, 09:15:08 PM »
Nicklaus is redesigning the old Hidden Lakes Golf Course in Sandpoint, ID and it is opening as the new Idaho Club in July 2008.  Here is a link to that website:

http://www.theidahoclub.com
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Brian Joines

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2007, 09:50:51 PM »
Nicklaus was supposed to be opening a new course in Benton Harbor, MI but it looks like that project is finished.

http://www.wsbt.com/news/10640522.html
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2007, 06:57:46 AM »
Perhaps for this thread it would be helpful if people would stick to the facts, instead of wishing based on bad info.

Cabot Links hasn't started construction yet ... last I heard from Ran they plan to start next spring, but it sure won't be open in 2008.

The Prairie Club and Grateful Dunes are even more speculative than that, I think.
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Richard_Mandell

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2007, 08:08:29 AM »
George:

We've got two openings in 2008:

The first is a complete renovation of The Water's Edge Country Club on Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia.  It was originally designed by a regional gca named Buddy Loving in the mid-eighties.  Our challenge from the OWner was to "preserve the Loving look", so I guess we can call it a restoration (no chuckles).  Nonetheless, It was something that is completely opposite of anything I would do, yet the results are impressive.  I enjoyed creating the typical seventies bunker look more than I thought I would, not that I will begin adopting that style.

The other opening are the first two phases of Army Navy Country Club in Washington DC.  The overall project is a complete renovation of 27 holes at their Arlington facility and 27 more at their Fairfax facility.

The first two phases are two par-threes at Arlington and seven more holes, also at Arlington.  The plan is to create a golden-age look at Arlington and an RTJ look at Fairfax.  The look at Arlington will be completely different than most of what has been popping up in the DC area the past few decades.

I will get my Associate, Walt, to post some photos later today when we get the time.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2007, 08:18:41 AM »
Richard,

Been a while since you have posted....!  Good to hear from you.
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2007, 09:24:08 AM »
To open.
2007- Cumberwell Park UK (4th nine)
2008-
2009- The Stranahan UK (under construction)
2009- Provadia (Bulgaria) (construction to start early 2008)
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Tim Leahy

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2007, 01:14:23 PM »
Quote from: paul cowley on October 21, 2007, 04:01:59 PM
In addition I am collaborating with Forrest Fezler to build an 18 hole semi private course in Gainesville Fl, Oak Tree Landing, that could start in late 08.....and another course 18 hole semi private course [as yet unnamed], in Del Rey Oaks, CA....that should begin construction in 09 [or 10 or 11 ....this is Ca. after all]
...and as any of the previous designers can attest to, there are always others out there floating around in various planning stages, but that are really hard to plan on as yet.

I would like some further info on the Del Rey Oaks project since I hadn't heard anything prior to this. Is this on any of the former Fort Ord property? I always thought that they could build at three or four courses on the Fort Ord property once the red tape lifted.
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Mike_Young

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2007, 02:24:14 PM »
Oceanica, Nicaragua   August 2008
Talking Rock GC, Jasper Ga  Spring 2009
Hidden Valley, Columbia SC  redo.....Sept 2008
Just hope we have some rain.....
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Greg Tallman

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2007, 02:26:12 PM »
Quote from: paul cowley on October 21, 2007, 04:01:59 PM
Love Golf Design has a few opening;


The Dunes Course, Cabo San Lucas....an 18 hole resort course that should open in mid 08.


Mid '08? You guys are killing me... can't wait that long to see the finished product.

You would think things take longer in Mexico?!! ;)
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Bill_McBride

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2007, 02:30:46 PM »
Quote from: Mike_Young on October 22, 2007, 02:24:14 PM
Oceanica, Nicaragua   August 2008
Talking Rock GC, Jasper Ga  Spring 2009
Hidden Valley, Columbia SC  redo.....Sept 2008
Just hope we have some rain.....

Mike, we had 24" in four days here in Pensacola and it's still raining.  I wish we could pump some up your way, most of this is now run off.  A lot of this weather is SW-NE.  Is any of it making it to ATL-Athens area?  I saw a photo of docks in Lake Lanier well up onto dry land in the mullet wrapper this morning.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2007, 02:50:47 PM »
Tom Fazio's Hasentree opened in Wake Forest, NC, just 5 minutes from me, this past Wednesday.

http://www.hasentree.com/index.asp?n=14&p=3&s=14


C&C's Sugarloaf Mountain (near Orlando) is due to open in early '08.

http://www.themountain.cc/golfclub.asp


I think Lester George's Ballyhack in Roanoke, VA is supposed to open in '09.


I'm guessing Ebert & MacKenzie's Goodwood north of Toronto opened this year or will open next year.


David Kidd's Tetherow in Bend, Or may open in '08 or '09.

http://www.tetherow.com/home






Also, Kidd's Huntsman's Springs in Driggs, ID, may open in late '09:

http://www.huntsmansprings.com/




Paul Cowley,

Nice to see Forrest Fezler getting back in the business.  Will
he bring some 'Strantz' to the design?
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Jim Franklin

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2007, 03:18:03 PM »
Wow, a course in Driggs, Idaho. My sister lives there so I may have to go out for a visit. I sure won't go in the winter.

Lake Presidential opens in Upper Waldorf, Maryland next year. Chris Cole from Landmark is the lead architect. Chris worked on the PGA West Stadium Course and Kiawah's Ocean Course to name a few.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2007, 03:20:55 PM »
Binks Forest in Wellington, FL just reopened today after a 5 year hiatus. Gene Bates did the renovation. The course was highly regarded after it opened in 1990 as a Johnny Miller/Gene Bates design. I'll probably play there in December.

Here are 2 articles:

www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2007/10/18/a3c_binks_1018.html

www.palmbeachpost.com/neighborhood/content/neighborhood/royalpalmbeach/epaper/2007/10/03/npr_sptbinksgolf_1003.html?cxntlid=inform
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George Pazin

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Re:Who's opening what in 2007? 2008? 2009?
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2007, 04:13:58 PM »
Thanks everyone for the updates.

How'd I miss Forrest? He must not be teasing me enough lately.... :)
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