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Sean_A

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2016, 07:35:51 AM »
ATB

It depends on how straight hitting that handicap golfer is.  I would expect a 10 capper to maybe hit the 9th 1 in 10 assuming he is long enough (likely less in truth) and he gets par 6 in 10 by going for it. I think laying back may have the same results...6 in 10. I've seen it go badly wrong both ways  :D

The one thing a driver does is open the possibility of a kiss on the card.  So yes, from a pragmatic PoV...nearly all should lay-up on 9. I rarely score well around Beau because I am not straight enough.  However, I recall once in one of their opens I scored a 77...which for me is awesome round that course...still only 3 shots lower than my cap (Beau is a much harder SSS of 71 because the difficulty of Beau is not the yardage so the system of rating doesn't work well here) I did it by not taking on a single temptation offered by the design.  I gotta say, it was a boring round.  I recall playing your 12th and 13th a few weeks back by laying up.  One time it worked, the other it didn't, but there was no sense of fun on either hole.

Ciao
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Richard Fisher

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #76 on: July 14, 2016, 12:21:16 PM »
Prompted by major GCA enthusiasm (especially from Sean) and the older endorsement of Frank Pennink, I finally got to BDGC on Tuesday afternoon for a quiet midweek round on my own, deliberately following behind three members. As with almost all British inland courses this (very wet) spring and summer, the course was evidently much lusher than normal for July, although the greens were still pleasingly firm and swift. It was a showery, blustery afternoon, and I thought the course lovely, if not perhaps at quite the level some GCA adherents project (but then the experience of one single round is never a good guide): some bits akin to Hollinwell, some bits akin to Swinley, and overall for me at the level of (say) Delamere, which I returned to yesterday with some Harlech friends and which was equally and unusually green and lush for mid-July. Clearly BDGC has an active programme of tree removal, opening up some of the vistas, although the unslightly ring of leylandii (?) around the 18th green presumably has to remain for safety reasons. My only criticism, made before by others, would be of the bunkers, too many of which seemed (in contrast to Delamere) of the flat inland pancake variety. The green sites were every bit as good and interesting as I had been led to believe. Incidentally, at the much-discussed 9th, I went with a driver off the tee, carved right, lost the ball, and ended with a seven. Risk/reward in spades...

45 on the County Card for 18 holes of this quality was excellent value, and very good bacon and lentil soup too, even if the clubhouse (with its odd entrances, and the large and deserted bar and dining area downstairs) seemed not quite to come together. But lots of mementoes of celebrated midland golfers of the past (Dr Tweddell, the Lunts, Beharrell, etc etc: even Henry Longhurst (Bedfordshire) made a cameo appearance on one poster) to keep this golf historian happy and engaged.

A Staffordshire mini-break of Little Aston and BDGC would make for a terrific couple of days of distinctly English inland golf. And with the at its current levels, distinctly accessible to overseas visitors too. Warmly recommended.

Sean_A

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2016, 07:19:29 PM »
Richard

Your comparison to Delamere is interesting.  I think Beau is the better course for two reasons.  1. The greens are miles more interesting...Delamere's biggest weakness.  2. There are more really good holes.  Where Delamere trumps is with better rough/tree control...Beau's biggest issues.  I need to risk the misery of the M6 and get back up to Delamere.

Ciao
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2016, 01:03:56 AM »
Sean,


Have you ever played Delamere's very near neighbour Sandiway?  Which is the better course is a topic of much local debate.


I suggest a double header one day...


http://www.sandiwaygolf.co.uk/

Thomas Dai

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2016, 06:32:59 AM »
Sandiway certainly looks pretty inviting from the weblink.


Not much about the course herein that I could find though.


Atb

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2016, 12:07:24 PM »
I love Sandiway Thomas, and would put it on a par with Delamere Forest and Beau Desert. Indeed, it has a lot in common with both those courses. I am puzzled as to why it is less well known.


Sandiway is generally thought of as being one of the very best inland courses in North-West England.

Sean_A

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #81 on: July 27, 2016, 06:29:14 AM »
Sean,


Have you ever played Delamere's very near neighbour Sandiway?  Which is the better course is a topic of much local debate.


I suggest a double header one day...


http://www.sandiwaygolf.co.uk/

Duncan

I have never been enticed to play Sandiway.  I recall seeing photos and thinking there is a lot of much of muchness going on with the bunkering and shape of holes.  What are your thoughts?

Ciao
« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 04:19:03 AM by Sean_A »
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Sean_A

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #82 on: August 22, 2019, 03:17:37 PM »
All


See the updated tour.  More importantly, it looks like the club is going to work with the Forestry Commission to aggressively tackle the tree issues.  So far as I can tell, in year 1, which might be this winter, not sure:


Left of #s 1, 2 & 4-8 will be dramatically thinned up to the paths.


There may also be some clearing on the right from halfway down 6 to halfway down 8.  If not, probably year 2. 


In year 2 left of the last half 8 through and 9 & 10 to be dealt with. 


The large swaths of interior trees are also being targeted. Surrounding the 16th is a target. The huge area of trees between 12-15 9 and halfway up 13 are other targets.


There are also some plans for more exterior work, but that is not yet confirmed. 


Hopfully, in the next few years we will see a radical transformation of the course with between 50 and 75% of trees in targeted areas removed.  Now we can only hope the club recognizes its poor bunkering for the course to shine as it should.


Ciao
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Ben Voelker

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC
« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2019, 10:33:43 AM »
All


See the updated tour.  More importantly, it looks like the club is going to work with the Forestry Commission to aggressively tackle the tree issues.  So far as I can tell, in year 1, which might be this winter, not sure:


Left of #s 1, 2 & 4-8 will be dramatically thinned up to the paths.


There may also be some clearing on the right from halfway down 6 to halfway down 8.  If not, probably year 2. 


In year 2 left of the last half 8 through and 9 & 10 to be dealt with. 


The large swaths of interior trees are also being targeted. Surrounding the 16th is a target. The huge area of trees between 12-15 9 and halfway up 13 are other targets.


There are also some plans for more exterior work, but that is not yet confirmed. 


Hopfully, in the next few years we will see a radical transformation of the course with between 50 and 75% of trees in targeted areas removed.  Now we can only hope the club recognizes its poor bunkering for the course to shine as it should.


Ciao


Sean,


As you know, I joined Beau last year, in large part thanks to yourself.


I don't know what's considered year 1 either, but significant tree clearing was carried out last year in a number of areas:


Right of 4
Between 11 and 12
Left of 12


I am probably missing a few as that's off the top of my head, but as you suggest, there is a multi-year tree management program in place.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC: Tree Removal!
« Reply #84 on: August 23, 2019, 11:04:36 AM »

Sean, that is a welcome change. I'm not sure how playability will change but it will be grand to open up some vistas. This is one of my favorite places and I remember our day so well. I can't wait to get back.
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Sean_A

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC: Tree Removal!
« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2019, 12:17:21 PM »
Tommy

After the hugely more playable clearance on 7 its hard to fathom the club would not want to move ahead with more tree clearance.  I think it would help a bunch when trees are cleared left of 2, 5 & 6 and right of 6.  I don't think plans are firm for 11, but clearance on both sides, but especially left would really help playability.  The hole makes little sense now as trees take away probably 5-7 yards of prime approaching area on the left.   I think clearing right of #1 would also be good. Just from an aesthetic PoV, clearance behind the 3rd and 6th greens and all down the right of #5 across thru 15 and up to 12 would be good...imagine the cool views!  Being treed in fairly in recent in history, Beau is not blessed with a significant number of cool trees....probably 90% could go!

Ben

I hope you are enjoying your membership.  I am back on Monday!

Ciao
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC: Tree Removal!
« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2019, 02:07:54 PM »
I played Beau a few weeks ago after a gap of probably 3 yrs and was very pleased so see how much tree removal had taken place. Lots more so go I suggest, but then Rome again was wasn't built in a day and all that.


Another tree related area is low lying, self-seeding scrub. There's quite a bit at Beau that could also be removed. Not just Beau either. Far from it. Almost all UK inland courses, whether heathland or parkland seem to have large areas of scrub and self-seeded growth under and within trees. Clubs really ought to keep this in check and with modern machinery it shouldn't be that difficult if programmed properly. And once it's been cut back to ground level it can often be mown with the usual rough cutter and then it will stay low or non-existent and not require 'blitzing' in the future.


atb

Robin_Hiseman

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC: Tree Removal!
« Reply #87 on: August 26, 2019, 01:41:33 PM »
I played with Sean at BD last Tuesday and thought it was magnificent.


One note of caution with the wholesale forest removal that has taken place beyond the boundary. Judging by a recent Google Earth, it would seem these areas have been replanted, so enjoy the views whilst you can.
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Sean_A

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC: Tree Removal!
« Reply #88 on: August 26, 2019, 08:55:05 PM »
I am far more concerned about the tree reduction for playability and agronomy reasons.  That said, there are some good opportunities for interior views with tree removal.

I played Beau today and the course was nearly perfect.  The few hit days have firmed things up and the greens were running a perfect speed.  I don't think I have ever seen Beau look or play better.

Ciao
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC: Tree Removal!
« Reply #89 on: September 26, 2020, 04:12:34 PM »
After a gap of a couple of years I made it back to wonderful Beau Desert and what a delightful course it is.
Some photos below as refreshers as to its general delightfulness and Herbert Fowlers magnificent green complexes.
atb


Below - from rear of 18th green



Below - from rear of 5th green



Below - from rear-left of 6th green



Below - from rear of 14th green



Below - from front-left of 16th green



Below - from front-left of the 5th green



Below - from right side of 9th green



Below - from rear-left of 16th green



Below - from rear of 7th green

Ben Voelker

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC: Tree Removal!
« Reply #90 on: December 15, 2020, 12:11:42 PM »
Hi Folks,


Just a quick update on tree removal at Beau.  We are in the midst of another round of tree clearing on various holes so I'll share some photos as I have them.  The first set are from 5, 6 and 14.  Apologies for the poor quality but they were from my phone on a horrible day of weather!


Note these are from more than 1 week ago now, and I know there has been further clearing on 5 (greenside), 14 (greenside) and 15 (tee) in the last week, and more planned throughout the winter.


Hole 5






Hole 6




Hole 14




« Last Edit: December 15, 2020, 12:13:20 PM by Ben Voelker »

Sean_A

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Re: Bountiful BEAU DESERT GC: Tree Removal!
« Reply #91 on: December 24, 2020, 03:15:51 AM »
Ben

Thanks for the updates. It's remarkable what can be accomplished once the ball is rolling downhill. It's very satisfying since I have long admired Beau Desert's design. I want to have another look!

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