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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2016, 05:18:04 AM »
This project has been going on for so long already I would be more surprised if it happened than if it never got built. Decent site but much better sites in the locality IMO.

David,

there are a surprising number of top end housing projects just completed or being built in the Aberdeen area at the moment and most seem to be able to sell their houses which is quite surprising given the current situation.

Jon

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2016, 03:38:34 AM »

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeenshire/1035302/council-could-make-u-turn-on-80million-development/


£80million golf resort backed by sports legend Jack Nicklaus faces being bunkered
23 September 2016 by Francesca Marshall


Councillors could perform a dramatic U-turn – and pull the plug on an £80million golf resort plan backed by sports legend Jack Nicklaus.


The Ury Estate development – which would include an 18-hole course and 90 homes – could be bunkered because of a landmark court ruling.


Earlier this year the Duke of Fife – whose company is behind the Chapelton of Elsick scheme – successfully challenged an £8million developer contribution demand.


His firm the Elsick Development Company had been asked to hand over the money to the Strategic Transport Fund as part of its planning consent – but Court of Session judges reduced the bill to just £287,000.


Their ruling is being appealed by the Aberdeen City and Shire Strategic Development Authority.


But it could have massive implications for the Jack Nicklaus golf scheme.


It was backed by Aberdeenshire councillors by 40 votes to 20 in April despite concerns about the loss of the historic Slicewells Woods.


But members are now being advised to “consider whether they still wish to support a delegated grant” of planning permission as developer the FM group would not be forced to contribute to the transport fund.


In a report, the local authority’s director of infrastructure services, Stephen Archer, said: “This report follows the successful challenge to the Strategic Transport Fund which inhibits the council’s ability to seek contributions to the Strategic Transport Fund.


“This report is therefore highlighting the material change in circumstance and asks whether members still wish to support the application in light of this change.”


The development divided opinion across the council because of proposals to build homes at Slicewells Woods, which is at least 140 years old.


Despite planning officials advising the development should not go ahead, councillors decided the “economic and social benefit outweighed the loss of part of the ancient woodland”.


Last night, Woodland Trust spokesman George Anderson welcomed the prospect of the project being blown off course.


He said: “Ancient woodland is irreplaceable. It is not just a question of the trees. We can put a new golf course lots of places, but lose ancient woodland and it’s gone forever. It was short-sighted in the extreme to ignore objections to this proposal.”


The FM Group had agreed to contribute towards the STF, with the money going towards addressing cumulative impacts on the strategic roads network.


Vice-chairman of Stonehaven Community Council, Phil Mills-Bishop, said he would be disappointed if the court ruling halted the plans.


He said: “In every discussion the community has had with the FM group, they have always been supportive to the community, and so we would be disappointed for two reasons.


“If because of a legal technicality FM group felt that they did not have to contribute anything to the fund to a reasonable level this would be disappointing.


“But two, we would be equally annoyed if Aberdeenshire Council took a very stringent view that it had to force a developer to meet obligations that it didn’t have to by threatening to withdraw the planning decision, as this would affect the community, so we hope there will be a sensible and amicable solution.”


The Ury Estate is also about to become home to a new supermarket, 50-bedroom hotel and a restaurant, proposed by the FM group and approved in July.


The developer also already has permission to build 230 homes on the estate, and earlier this year work started to restore the B-listed Ury House to its former glory and turn it into a hotel.


The FM Group declined to comment last night.


The Elsick Development Company has planning permission for 4,045 homes as part of the £2billion North Kincardine scheme, but has a long-term vision for 8,000 properties.


Colin Shellard

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2016, 10:59:31 AM »
Looks like it's back on again...


https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen/1042385/north-east-councillors-push-on-with-plans-for-jack-nicklaus-golf-course/

Councillors have pushed on with plans for a north-east golf course designed by US sporting legend Jack Nicklaus despite the threat of a U-turn.
A full meeting of Aberdeenshire Council yesterday quashed the chance to backtrack on a previous decision to approve 90 homes and an 18-hole golf course on the Ury Estate, near Stonehaven.
The golf scheme was backed by Aberdeenshire councillors by 40 votes to 20 in April, despite concerns about the loss of the historic Slicewells Woods.
However after the Duke of Fife – who is behind the neighbouring Chapelton of Elsick development – successfully challenged an £8million developer contribution bill to the Court of Session, councillors were asked to reconsider their approval of the golf course.
The Elsick Development Company had been asked to hand over the money to the Strategic Transport Fund (STF) as part of its planning consent – but judges reduced the bill to just £287,000.
Yesterday the council’s head of planning and building standards, Robert Gray, said the case means the council had been left with “no means to collect any money” for the fund from the FM Group, which is behind the Ury Estate development.
The STF money from the Jack Nickaus development would go towards the knock-on traffic issues at the Bridge of Dee in Aberdeen.
Mr Gray added since the STF could no longer be used, the council had to use a “transport assessment” to seek funds for local roads.
He said: “Using a transport assessment, we don’t actually require than money from them.”
However, Stonehaven and District councillor, Raymond Christie said the golf course was “supported by 98% of residents in Stonehaven”.
He also dismissed Slicewells Woods – which has been described as “irreplaceable” – as “a bunch of scrubby trees”.
East Garioch councillor Martin Ford moved to refuse the application due to the impact on the ancient woodlands.
The trained botanist said: “We are not talking about a habitat that is ancient trees, we are talking about the ecosystem that is ancient woodlands. What you are looking at is an ecosystem that has developed literally over a millennia.
“We should agree to negotiate and get something better from the developer and preserve the ancient woodlands.”
Stonehaven and District Lib Dem councillor, Peter Bellarby, moved to continue supporting the application.
He said: “There were significant, exceptional circumstances regarding economic and social benefit that outweighed the loss of ancient woodland.”
His motion was backed by 48 votes to 13, with one no vote.
The FM Group’s developer’s obligations towards local schools and community facilities have not been affected by the court case.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2016, 03:14:58 AM »
The locals just can not understand how the Duke of Fife has got away with this.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2019, 02:25:43 AM »
Anyone on here nowadays, involved with this project?


At a local council meeting this week in Stonehaven, it was reported that they intend to break ground in October (2019).

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2019, 04:49:19 AM »
Well, it looks like they would rather just build flats than a clubhouse/hotel at Ury ... SURPRISE SURPRISE.


So, I guess no golf course then?


https://thebellman.co.uk/2019/10/28/dramatic-change-of-plan-at-ury/



Dramatic Change of Plan at Ury
By Jane Cruickshank / October 28, 2019





Ury Estate Limited have applied for listed building consent for alterations and reinstatement of the derelict mansion house to form 19 Flats on the ground, first and second floor with associated parking, landscaping and engineering works.


This would appear to be a significant shift in the vision for Ury Estate that promised a hotel and golf clubhouse in the restored house. Planning permission for this was first granted back in 2008, with a second such application granted in 2012.


Indeed, the shift to a golf-led country estate was plan B by the then developers, FM Developments, who in December 2006 were refused planning permission for their proposals to refurbish the dilapidated mansion house and create nine apartments. This project was to have been enabled by the building of 138 houses.


Their plans had been approved by the Kincardine and Mearns Area Committee but not by Aberdeenshire Council’s Infrastructure Services Committee.


The Bellman believes the reason for the plans’ refusal was the proximity of the Forties pipeline.


So long-winded is the Ury saga that the above detail is now archived on Aberdeenshire Council’s website, but not on that of our local newspaper, the Mearns Leader.


So what now for the grand vision for Ury?


Even today, Tuesday October 29, councillors on the Kincardine and Mearns Area Committee are considering the detail of 94 of the 230 houses that were granted outline permission to enable the saving of the listed mansion which was deemed to be at risk.


And of course – there was the Nicklaus designed golf course, which first gained planning permission in 2007, then won a second permission in 2018, this time with the added element of 90 houses to enable the development.


For voicing your opinion of the latest moves at Ury Estate: do so in writing to Robert Gray Head of Planning and Environment Service by November 21. You can also make comment online or to the email address below. Please note the date for comment will extend if neighbour notification or advertisement is required. Comments must be submitted within the required timescale and any comments made will be available for public inspection and will be published on the internet.


Local Planning Office: Viewmount, Arduthie Road, Stonehaven, AB39


Telephone: 01467-534333


Email: planningonline@aberdeenshire.gov.uk

Niall C

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2019, 09:01:09 AM »
Brian


I've no idea what beef Jane Cruikshank has but I'd have thought saving the building to be quite a good thing, no ?


Niall

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2019, 05:25:19 AM »
https://thebellman.co.uk/2019/10/29/hotel-not-a-viable-option-at-ury/



But developer says golf course still on the cards with clubhouse in the basement


Aberdeenshire Council’s weekly planning lists revealed yesterday that Ury Estate Limited have applied for listed building consent for alterations to and reinstatement of the derelict mansion house to form 19 flats on the ground, first and second floor with associated parking, landscaping and engineering works.


This was a surprise move at the estate, where 230 houses are consented to enable the restoration of the mansion built in the Elizabethan style in 1885 by Sir Alexander Baird, 1st Baronet.


Permission was in the bag for a hotel and golf clubhouse. And back in 2016 hospitality industry news sites announced the team behind Andy Murray’s hotel, Cromlix, would manage Stonehaven’s boutique mansion hotel.


But it appears the numbers are no longer stacking up for the venture. A spokesperson for FM Group told The Bellman: “We can confirm that a planning application has been lodged to change the use of the upper floors of Ury Mansion House to 19 high-quality apartments from the previously consented five hotel bedrooms.


“The lower ground floor does not form part of the application and will remain as a golf clubhouse facility, as previously consented.


“To develop two entire floors of Ury Mansion House, adding only five hotel bedrooms, has proven not to be a financially viable option. The current economic climate indicates that a third of bed spaces were empty in Aberdeen City in 2018 and this does not offer a secure long-term sustainable future for Ury Mansion House.


“It is still intended to commence construction of the Jack Nicklaus golf course later this year, which is expected to take three years, with the clubhouse opening in conjunction with this.


“Revenue raised from the apartment sales will part fun the early establishment of the golf course and running of the golf clubhouse.”


It should be noted that works got underway this May on 90 affordable houses, which were an enabling development for the golf course at Ury Estate. According the the section 75 agreement, an index linked sum of £160,000 per house will be placed in a bank account held with the local authority and used for the construction of the golf course. A futher £1299 must also be paid in to a community halls fund.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2019, 05:31:43 AM »
Replacing 5 hotel bedrooms with 19 high quality apartments in the same footprint? Strange numbers indeed.

No-one got a plan of the course? That must been in the records somewhere...

Ben Stephens

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2019, 05:49:35 AM »
Replacing 5 hotel bedrooms with 19 high quality apartments in the same footprint? Strange numbers indeed.

No-one got a plan of the course? That must been in the records somewhere...


Approved Golf Course Layout



https://upa.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/online-applications/files/AB47B4CE3647F359E5BE152C6A89F3BC/pdf/APP_2015_0541-APPROVED_MASTERPLAN-8017749.pdf




Planning Application Information


https://upa.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NKF7VDCAL1Y00

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2019, 01:25:16 PM »
Replacing 5 hotel bedrooms with 19 high quality apartments in the same footprint? Strange numbers indeed.




I wonder if that should be replacing 5 star hotel bedrooms?

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2021, 06:17:57 AM »
https://twitter.com/CWightSTV/status/1384087492790415361

Work has begun to deliver the Jack Nicklaus designed 18-hole championship golf course at the Ury Estate near Stonehaven. The opening date for the golf course has been set for early Summer 2024. New houses are being built on the estate and Ury House turned into luxury apartments.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Jack Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2021, 02:45:39 PM »
https://www.thebellman.co.uk/2021/04/19/nicklaus-golf-course-at-ury-tees-off/


Nicklaus Golf Course at Ury Tees Off
By bellmannews / April 19, 2021

From Orbit Communications –

Work has swung into action to deliver the Jack Nicklaus designed 18-hole championship golf course at the spectacular Ury Estate .

Activity is commencing on the careful preparation of the land for the construction of the masterpiece signature golf course and housing. Opening date for the golf course has been set for early Summer 2024.

The overall Ury Estate development is being undertaken by developer FM Group and work has just been completed on the planting scheme, covering 30 hectares with around 60,000 trees planted.

Known worldwide as the ‘Golden Bear’, Jack is an 18-time major championship winner, including the Opens he won on Scottish soil, twice at St Andrews (1970 and 1978) and at Muirfield (1966). Jack’s love of Scotland is well-recognised and was acknowledged in 2005 when the Golden Bear became the only living non-UK national to feature on British currency.

His legacy as a player is equalled only by his reputation as a golf course designer. With over 265 courses to his resume, he has built one of the world’s leading golf design firms.

Commenting on commencing work on the golf course, Jack Nicklaus said:

“From the first day I walked the estate and we discussed the course design, FM Group director Jonathon Milne made it very clear that the goal was to create something that would blend in naturally with the Scottish countryside.

“My philosophy has always been to work with what the natural environment has provided us with, and whenever possible create something that will enhance it, and in many cases create new and better natural habitats. And while our firm has created golf courses in 45 countries, Scotland is very special as the game of golf and to me personally.

“Some of my favourite courses are spread over the beautiful Scottish landscape and to have this opportunity to create something truly special at Ury Estate is both an honour and a great responsibility for me.  My goal is to blend in a golf course that lays naturally over the landscape around Stonehaven, work to protect the existing natural surroundings, and to provide an experience that locals and visitors to Ury Estate will truly enjoy for generations to come.”

Douglas Thomson, Ury Estate Project Director said:

“To be commencing work on the course and having Jack’s personal involvement is a ringing endorsement of what we are trying to achieve here in delivering a spectacular experience for both residents and visitors alike.

“The development has a great deal to offer the local community and will attract visitors to both Stonehaven and the surrounding area.

“The golf course is a significant addition to the Ury project and with work progressing on housing, infrastructure and the castle, it is full steam ahead this year.”

Graeme Webster Golf Course Project Manager said:

“Our goal is to create a development that will blend in naturally with the spectacular Scottish countryside and Jack and his team work to an incredibly high level of detail, endeavouring to ensure that a wonderful golf course sits very well in the existing terrain.

“Current site features and the wonderful pallete of nature have all been carefully surveyed and incorporated into the design.

“We have been working very closely with Jack, the Nicklaus Design team and local officials to follow all guidelines and requirements, taking special care to ensure all standards to protect our beautiful Scottish environment are met.

“The Jack Nicklaus signature golf course will undoubtedly be a fantastic addition to the North East of Scotland’s already rich golf offering and one which will enhance Aberdeen’s reputation as a world class golfing destination.”

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2021, 04:28:06 PM »
Taken today, already looks like a nice setting for a golf hole.



Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2021, 05:48:07 PM »
Thanks Brian, that looks like a nice enough site to not overshape.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2021, 01:15:32 AM »
I hope they aren't talking about part of the course when they mention: "The overall Ury Estate development is being undertaken by developer FM Group and work has just been completed on the planting scheme, covering 30 hectares with around 60,000 trees planted."
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2021, 12:04:20 PM »
Ury House, as it looks today in the Haar.

Not sure what is happening with it now, not the Clubhouse/Hotel that we were promised I guess  ::)

« Last Edit: May 30, 2021, 12:26:51 PM by Brian_Ewen »

Thomas Dai

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2021, 04:00:55 PM »
I wonder how many different owners places like this, especially ones in this kind of location/terrain, will have in say their first 20 yrs and whether in say 50 yrs time they’ll even exist? There have been a few developments in the area that haven’t progressed as they were likely envisaged too and some I believe don’t even exist anymore. Lots of competition in that neck of the woods.
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Brian_Ewen

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Niall C

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2021, 09:13:43 AM »
Lovely. Very gently contoured fairways set among some nice containment mounding. Could be set anywhere but still I suspect it would be very enjoyable.


Niall

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2021, 09:33:16 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm483JFV3GA


Graphics are so good today that I thought I was actually seeing the golf course.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2021, 03:06:29 PM »
Perfect for top brass and senior ex-pat oil industry folks in rental houses?
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2021, 03:09:25 AM »
Perfect for top brass and senior ex-pat oil industry folks in rental houses?
Atb


Maybe 40 years ago.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2021, 04:55:33 AM »
Perfect for top brass and senior ex-pat oil industry folks in rental houses?
Atb
Sorry doesn't appeal to me... but I'll ask around.  ;)
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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Ury Estate - Nicklaus in Stonehaven
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2021, 01:37:30 PM »
This is the south boundary of Ury Estate and the Slug Road.

In springtime, the construction crew felled a small old woodland, leaving only some of the trees that line the property.

This already annoyed local bird enthusiasts as the tree felling was done while birds had started nesting, and this work also included a heronry.

Yesterday, in comes Storm Arwen, and what happens to the tall trees that they left exposed to the north gale?

It's maybe a bit of uneducated rant, but sometimes I just do not get what people that build golf courses do.








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