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san diego golf- hidden gems??
« on: February 27, 2007, 08:00:44 AM »
Looking for some guidance as to golf courses in the S.D. area that might be worth playing- aside from the Torrey Pines, Aviara and LaCosta venues. I have been asked to set up some tee times for an event in July and I think that the top tier courses will be too expensive for my troops.
Thoughts??

Eric Franzen

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Re:san diego golf- hidden gems??
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2007, 08:06:09 AM »
I don't know if the price range is right, but otherwise I would really recommend Barona Creek - http://www.baronagolf.com/. Posted some pics from there last year: http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forums2/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=23264;start=msg425774#msg425774

Pete Lavelle will most definitely show up here with some good advice.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2007, 08:18:21 AM by Eric Franzen »

John Nixon

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Re:san diego golf- hidden gems??
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2007, 08:57:15 AM »
I seem to recall the course at Camp Pendelton is now available to the public - I played it a few years ago with my brother when it was still military access. Nice course, seemed to be in pretty good shape. I don't know what changes public access may have wrought though.

JR Potts

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Re:san diego golf- hidden gems??
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2007, 09:51:18 AM »
Looking for some guidance as to golf courses in the S.D. area that might be worth playing- aside from the Torrey Pines, Aviara and LaCosta venues. I have been asked to set up some tee times for an event in July and I think that the top tier courses will be too expensive for my troops.
Thoughts??

I wouldn't call any of those three "top tier."  For being one of my all-time favorite cities, San Diego's golf is inept at best.   Torrey, Aviara and LaCosta - yawn.

That being said, I've never played Barona Creek.

Brad Tufts

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2007, 09:54:46 AM »
I think in my research I saw that Marine Memorial at Camp Pendleton is open to the public currently only M-TH, for about $30.  There are some pics on here that were taken of this course about a month or 6 weeks ago.

I have finally decided to go the Socal route with a spring (4/11-4-16) golf trip, and one of the days will be spent in SD.  Barona is a given, but we are still considering where the AM round will be played....
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

RJ_Daley

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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2007, 10:15:18 AM »
I don't know the SD area well, but on previous trips and Kings Putters, you can't go wrong with Barona Creek.  I think they have some decent stay and play packages too, depending on what your troops like to do in the way of gambling...

Also, the two times I played Balboa, it was maintained very soft.  Yet, the bones of a neat old course are there.  I would like to play it a bit more firm, but for a muni and price, it is a nice round of golf.  I don't know what the reserve a block of tee times policy is, but Pete sure does, since it is his home course.
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2007, 10:40:14 AM »
San Diego and hidden gems do not go toether well. Barona is the best course I have seen there.

Pete Lavallee

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2007, 10:50:28 AM »
Where to play in San Diego?


Resorts:

Barona Creek     619-387-7018
     This is the must play course in the San Diego area. Just a 30 minute drive from downtown, Todd Eckenrode’s creation in Wild Cat Canyon offers a thrill for every class of golfer. The course features strategic bunkering, scattered at different distances, through the wide fairways. Firm and fast conditions put a premium on attacking from the correct angles to the highly contoured greens. Hotel and Casino on site.

Torrey Pines     (reservations) 619-570-1234
     South:  The host for the 2008 US Open is set up as a test of the modern game. Even from the white tees (6,880) this course plays long. Rees improved the 3 holes he moved to the canyon’s edge (3, 4&14) but 18 double plateau greens are a bit repetitive. Greens still need work to justify the $100-$125 rate
     North The proposed redesign has been postponed, here’s your chance to play what could be William Francis Bell’s best work. Better use of terrain, nicely contoured set of pushup greens, surely the more scenic of the two courses.
     Golfers can show up as early as they want to line up for the morning’s first hour of tee times (cars line up in the parking lot on weekends, during the week you place your golf bag in line in front of the starters booth on the balcony); singles stand a decent chance of getting off through the waiting list in the afternoon.

Carlton Oaks     619-448-4500
     This Perry Dye redesign has all the “dye-abolical” trademarks: waste areas, pot bunkers, bulk headed water hazards and many greens that slope away in the back. At 7,225 75.2/146from the tips it’s definitely the second toughest layout in the County. Lots of fun from the blue or white tees though. Hotel on site.

La Costa     760-438-9111
     Fans of Dick Wilson will enjoy the artistry of the bunkering on the original tournament course. The bad news is it has been split into the South, with 9 holes shoehorned in by Wilson and the North with its’ additional 9 holes on ample ground with good movement across the street, done by Joe Lee. Unfortunately neither nines are a match for the original work. Sometimes the Resort will let the first group off the North actually play the tournament course, so long as they can beat the first group off the South to the back 9.

Warner Springs Ranch     760-782-4270
     High desert course is both scenic and challenging. The remote atmosphere makes this course special; resort rooms have no TV or phones! Little over an hour from downtown but very close to Barona.


Municipal:

Coronado     619-435-3121
     Jack Daray designed San Diego’s “Hidden Gem”, built on fill dredged from the harbor in the 50’s, it has 4 holes that play along Glorietta Bay, subtle doglegs test driving ability, the pushup greens punish poor iron play, wind is often a factor. At $25/day for everyone it’s the best deal in town.

Balboa Park     (reservations)  619-570-1234
     Built in 1918 by William Park Bell, this short (6,281) trip out through the canyons and back across the mesa has remained a tough track to score on. Sam Snead’s course record 60, shot here while in the Navy in WWII, still stands. Views of downtown and the Coronado Islands, walkups should have no trouble playing here.

Encinitas Ranch     760-944-1936
     Located ten minutes north of Torrey Pines and five minutes south of Legoland this is an enjoyable and reasonably priced daily fee course. Wide open front nine is complemented by the canyons on the back. Built on the site of a former flower ranch, conditions are usually good.

CCFAD’s:

Maderas CC     858-451-8100
     Built on a hilly site this course promises the thrilling downhill holes off the bat, the key here is how much fun the uphill holes are. Neal Meagher’s perfect mix off unique green sites are worth the price of admission alone. Soon to go private when enough memberships are sold.

Del Mar National     858-792-6200
     The only Fazio course in San Diego County; All golfers really want is a thrill; this course comes up short here. Very playable and takes a great picture, but the tea cups at Disney Land are more exciting than this place.

The Auld Course  changed to Salt Creek   619-482-4666
     Although built to sell houses you would find it hard to hit one from the golf course. Die hard walkers beware, you must ride here. Cary Bickler and John Cook have crafted some fine holes here, well worth a look if your in the South Bay area.

Privates:

Rancho Santa Fe CC
     Don’t pass up an opportunity to play here. Max Behr’s 1929 layout got the highest Doak rating in San Diego County (5).

La Jolla CC
     Canyon golf at its best from William Park Bell, built in 1927.

San Diego CC
     Another William Park Bell layout with several barrancas was built in 1921. The redesigned greens seem unsympathetic to the Bell style.

Tijuana CC
     The course claims a MacKenzie heritage, but it sure looks like a William Park Bell to me; possibly during his relationship with Tillinghast. Close enough to the border to take the trolley down and hop in a cab for the short journey to the golf course; public access allowed.

Pauma Valley
     The only Robert Trent Jones course in San Diego County is in the high desert just past Barona; once rated within the top 20 in Ca.

Military:

Marine Memorial   GC, Camp Pendleton     760-725-4704
     Set within the expansive Marine base this course by William Francis Bell occupies a peaceful and secluded river valley 50 minutes from downtown. Somewhat shaggy conditioning here doesn’t detract from the enjoyment.

Miramar, Memorial GC     858-577-4155
     Jack Daray shows how to turn a flat parcel of land into an interesting golf course at the old Top Gun base. Now a Marine Corp Air Station it has some of the best conditioned greens in the County; wind and FA-18’s are always a factor here.

Sea & Air GC     619-545-9659
      Located on North Island Naval Air Station it is a tale of two nines, the front is cramped with many parallel holes, not much to write home about. However the back nine’s holes are wonderfully separated with 3 playing along the sand dunes right along the beach. The runway splits the back nine and you’ll have an opportunity to see many types of Military Aircraft practicing their touch and goes.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2007, 01:26:24 PM by Pete Lavallee »
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Pete Lavallee

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Re:san diego golf- hidden gems??
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2007, 11:29:32 AM »
Dave,

Barona is really a step above everything else; although the rates are steep, the stay and play packages would help make it more affordable. Nearby in Ramona is a very pleasant mountain course, San Vicente.

Coronado is definetly the hidden gem; you can reserve tee times after 10:00 am in advance by paying an extra $15 per person, $40 is still a good deal there.

Carlton Oaks would be my next choice; you might be able to reseve a block of times there.
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Brad Tufts

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 11:33:34 AM »
What a great guide Pete, thanks!!

One question...do Sea & Air and Miramar allow public play like the M-TH deal at Marine Memorial?

And OT-
What do you think of Manny reporting late?  
Do you agree with not extending Schilling at least for now?
Papelbon as starter or closer, and if starter, who gets the first shot at closing?  
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Pete Lavallee

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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2007, 12:00:19 PM »
Brad,

Unfortunately to play Sea & Air you need a sticker on your vehicle to get on North Island Naval Air Base. Once you're on the base they will let you play at the visitor rate. They are planning on completely redesigning the front nine; the project keeps getting pushed ahead, but could start any day now.

The Marine Corps will allow visitors on base without a decal; both courses are practically empty with all our Marines being deployed to Iraq.

As far as the Red Sox:

Hey, it's just Manny being Manny!
Best to be cautiouis when dealing with 40 year old pitchers, Schilling included.
I say let Papelbon start; lets not burn him out like we did to poor Kieth Foulke.
 
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2007, 12:35:58 PM »
I've heard some good things about Steele Canyon.  While its not in San Diego itself, isn't it close enough to be considerd in the SD vicinity?

Is this course worth a visit?

Brad Tufts

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2007, 12:59:14 PM »
I'm guessing a sticker can only be obtained if i was in the military or had someone's car who worked on base..

Manny is Manny, but I bed his agents don't like apologizing for him every time.  I would think that by now he knows what actions rock the boat and what actions will not.

I actually agree with letting the Schilling situation go.  I would love to have him back, if he pitches well, but the odds are 50-50 if not slightly leaning in the team's favor.

I agree the Papelbon should start, as I think he will be great.  Who knows who will get the closer job though.  My guess is that it will be between Timlin (barring back spasms), Piniero, and Donnelly.  Too bad all have not closed for very long (if at all) in their careers.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Aidan Bradley

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2007, 01:00:13 PM »
I photographed Steele Canyon about ten years ago. It looked like a lot of fun. Three distinct 9's. Ranch, Canyon, and Meadows.












Pete Lavallee

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2007, 01:24:26 PM »
Kalen,

Steele Canyon is a Gary Player design, I personally don't find it very attractive. It is virtually unwalkable, that would be the biggest turnoff to me. It has some fun holes and if you like teeing off at the top of a mountain then it just might float your boat. They are trying to go private but are unable to get enough people to sign up, at a fairly attractive rate, so that should tell you something. The place is always well conditioned, the weekday rate seems about right for what you get. It's a 20 minute drive from downtown.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2007, 01:25:23 PM by Pete Lavallee »
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Scott Coan

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2007, 01:31:31 PM »
Dave,

Check out Singing Hills in El Cajon, about 30 min. west of the city.  20+ years ago this was by far the best play in SD outside of Torrey and Coronado.

It appears an Indian reservation has taken over the place and they now sport a lodge and casino.  Not sure how the golf has held up over the years.  They had 2 18's (Willow Glen & Oak Glen - can't recall which I preferred) and a 9 holer.

Interested to hear what the San Diego boys have to about how it stacks up now...

www.sycuanresort.com

Kalen Braley

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2007, 01:31:57 PM »
Pete,

I have nothing against Gary Player, elevated tee shots, or good conditioning.  As to the course, I'll be honest, when its a brutally hilly course/massive walks from green to next tee, I'll take the cart and won't think twice about it.

I guess I was just surprised that given the lack of good options in the San Diego area that this wasn't included.

Pete Lavallee

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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2007, 01:44:14 PM »
Scott,

Singing Hills has 2 18 hole courses designed by Ted Robinson. The longer one, Willow Glen is virtually the same as when built; although they bought Ted back to change the green on a back nine par 3 to his patented triple tier; he also added one of his patented "waterscapes". Oak Glen has changed the back nine, the part furthest away from the clubhouse to up the total yardage just a bit and interupt the string of 300 yard holes. There is also the 18 hole par 3 course, Pine Glen.

The Sycaun Casino is just down the road, certainly the influx of tribal cash has helped the golf course, the place was in great shape the last time I played out there. One might get the impression that it's all in the same place but the golf course and resort accomadations are not right next to the casino.
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Tim Leahy

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2007, 02:06:48 PM »
Encinitas Ranch near Carlsbad would be a good tourny course and is near the ocean but 1/2 the price of Torrey and much easier to get on. Inland I liked Mt. Woodson, cart ball but fun and challenging. Best bang for buck inland is Vineyard and Eagle Valley in Escondido.
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Jon Spaulding

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 02:07:40 PM »
I'd second any nomination for Barona; great place. Mount Woodson is a bit of a drive, and not mentioned yet, but I've always found it enjoyable, in spite of a few bad spots.

To answer the "hidden gem" question, Camp Pendleton might be the closest thing...a good bang for the buck, M-Th. The pace of play is good, weak conditioning, some solid holes......but not many people to share the excitement with!
« Last Edit: February 27, 2007, 02:11:50 PM by Jon Spaulding »
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Pete Lavallee

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2007, 02:31:19 PM »
Mt Woodson is certainly unique; you have to ask yourself how they built some of the holes there, they must have heloed in the equipment. One thing I don't like about Mt woodson is that it takes the driver out of play on far too many holes. There are also ficticious back tees which are needed to get the overall yardage up to 6000 yards on the scorecard. Not a bad place to take your grandpa or grandma; for those who have never golfed on a mountain with boulders strewn everywhere it could be a fun day out. I just hesitate to recommend a 5900 yard golf course.
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John_Cullum

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2007, 09:55:25 PM »
... Not a bad place to take your grandpa or grandma; for those who have never golfed on a mountain with boulders strewn everywhere it could be a fun day out. I just hesitate to recommend a 5900 yard golf course.

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Ramon Ware

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2007, 12:43:20 AM »
Yes, definitely check out Salt Creek (formerly The Auld Golf Club).

I played there several months back and the course was in great shape.  It was quite windy, but a very good test of golf...  a very good test.

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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2007, 01:07:11 AM »
If you are trying to play 2 courses in the same day with Barona the for sure play, then your other choices are very limited geographically--Barona is out in the boondocks.  that being said, Carlton Oaks is a half hour away.  San Vicente and Mt.  Woodson are 20 minutes away.  Camp Pendleton and Coronado are 1and 1/2 hours away.  San Vicente could be Ted R's best--at least it is fun to play.  I would go with Carlton Oaks.

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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2007, 08:04:31 AM »
I toured Steele Canyon last week. Avoid the Meadows Nine which is routed through homes. The Ranch and Canyon Nines appeared very good with some spectacular elevation changes. Try to talk your way on as a resident for a better rate!

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