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Patrick_Mucci

Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2006, 08:36:44 PM »
Tommy,

Perhaps the courses detailed in the book would make for interesting discussion, based on what is written about them in the book (edition oriented).

You name the course/s that you want to discuss and we can chime in.
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Bill_McBride

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2006, 08:36:47 PM »

A few years ago, someone gave me their dog-eared copy. Since then, I've purchased the latest edition for myself and for some friends. A really great read, particularly for the uninitiated (like myself).

A current fascination I have right now is with Heathland courses. Any suggestions on books would be appreciated! - Dan

UK GCAer Mark Rowlinson is hard at work on the centenary book for Alwoodley GC, one of the finest of heathland courses and Dr. MacKenzie's home course and first design.  Not sure if this will be available outside the golf shop at Alwoodley however, but it would definitely be worth the trip to pick up a copy!

Tim Bert

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2006, 12:10:11 AM »
My original copy was a "soft" hard back that I found at a bookstore on clearance for $5 before I was ever really into this site.  I had never heard of the book; I just thought it looked cool.

I recently received the 2005 edition for my birthday.  I haven't had much time to dig through the pages, but I've enjoyed the additions of a few modern courses I've played that weren't in my original version.

The two versions happily sandwich my copy of The Confidential Guide in the golf section of my bookshelf.

David_Tepper

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2006, 03:10:02 AM »
I bought my first copy of this book (the hardback one with the world as a golf ball on the cover) in 1984 at an English language bookstore in Paris. It was on the back end of a week of playing golf in Ireland, my first golf trip anywhere in GB&I and my first links golf experience.

Thumbing thru the book on the plane flight home and reading the articles about the Irish courses I had just played (Portmarnock, Ballybunion, Lahinch, County Down, etc.) made the trip that much more special.

The one course I remember interesting me the most when first looking thru the book was Falsterbo, in Sweden. At the time, I had no idea golf was played in Sweden and that there might be a links course there as well.

I still have that copy, as well as hard- & soft-cover copies of the most recent edition of the book. Mark Rowlinson, the book's editor, was kind enough to autograph my hard-cover copy on a visit to San Francisco.  

David_Tepper

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2006, 03:14:36 AM »
By the way, Borders bookstore seems to regularly have the soft-back edition of this book on their "Bargain Table" for $7 or $8. Buy a bunch and give them to your golfing buddies as presents. Spread the gospel!!!

Kevin Pallier

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2006, 03:45:26 AM »
By the way, Borders bookstore seems to regularly have the soft-back edition of this book on their "Bargain Table" for $7 or $8.

David

I picked up one of the lates versions at Borders the other day in Australia for $10  ;D

A great visual book though it still needs more Australian representation ie: NSW / Barnbougle Dunes + Kingston Heath (would be good starters)

I believe Royal Sydney has undergone some significant changes over the years....especially the bunkering


James Bennett

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2006, 07:14:44 AM »
Did Mark change the comment about the sixth hole on Merion West in the current edition ?  It isn't a par four, and it is the only hole in one I ever made within 73 years of golf.

Then Sean Arble said 'Willie, only the East course of Merion is featured.'

I wish I had a copy - looks like a visit to the new Borders shop in town is coming up.

Anyway, here are two shots of Merion West's #6 (complete with flag) - the site of Willie's hole-in-one (curses - one more than me).  The hole apparently that Mark R 'callled' a par 4.  Did you take the stairway from heaven Willie?  Or the path.



And here is a photo of Willie lacing one straight at the basket (on Merion East #17, by the quarry.


James B
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

ForkaB

Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2006, 07:52:58 AM »
Count me in.  I bought my copy in 1977 in preparation for my first trip to Scotland.  The graphics are what makes the book stand out, and the one of Dornoch inspired me to plan to spend more time there than any of the other great courses.  Little did I know what that was getting me into!

Pat

If you want to start a dialogue about the book, how about this quote about NGLA:

"Although the National has so many features reminiscent of the finest British seaside links, is it not truly a links course in the British sense.  The soil on which it is built is of inland texture, and the fairways and greens are of the softer inland quality."

Recognising that this was written in 1975, before Tom Paul had invented the concepts of "fast and firm" and the Ideal Maintenance Meld, do you think it is still true?  My one up and close experience with the soils would tell me that it is still true.

Spirit of Ran

It is the "World Atlas of Golf."  Or maybe you've been reading the wrong book all this time? ;)

Andrew Mitchell

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2006, 09:06:29 AM »
A treasure indeed.  Nothing like this one when you can't have the real thing.  

I recently went on a buying binge on Amazon.  One title that arrived today that I would highly recommend is Scottish Golf Links (Lowe;Joy;Phillips).  Incredible photos -- esp. some of the aerials of the Old Course -- w/historical and architectural perspectives.  I think I paid $4 for a used copy in very good condition. ;D

I would second James's recommendation of Scottish Golf Links - it contains some magnificent photographs and some useful insight from Kyle Phillips.  I didn't get quite as good a bargain as James though - mine cost £25 from the pros shop at Royal Aberdeen  :( (it is autographed though ;D)

I have the 2000(?) copy of the World Atlas of Golf. When was the new edition published.  A search on Amazon for World Atlas of Golf brings up
World Atlas of Golf: The Greatest Courses and How They Are Played (Hardcover)
by Hamlyn
 Is this the one people are referring to?
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

Willie_Dow

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2006, 10:42:38 AM »
Yes James B - it is the perfect hole-in-one hole !  You watch the entire picture from up there on top.

I'm trying to extend my follow through, though - and thanks for reminding me at the 17th.

Willie

Andrew Mitchell

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2006, 11:41:49 AM »
Andrew

Hamlyn is the publisher of the 2005 "fully revised and updated" edition.

Ciao

Sean

Is there much difference between the 2000 & 2005 editions? If I have the 2000 edition is it worthwhile purchasing the 2005 one?
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

Dan Moore

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2006, 12:24:19 PM »
In case anyone is interested the first version of Cornish and Whitten's The Golf Course is available at www.alibris.com.  There are over 50 copies available including a few for less than $10.  
"Is there any other game which produces in the human mind such enviable insanity."  Bernard Darwin

Tim Leahy

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2006, 02:59:53 PM »
I picked up a hard copy at a library book sale in 1977 and read it cover to cover. My favorite courses in the book that I would like to play one day are NGLA and Club Zur Vahr in Bremen, Germany. I have never heard Club Zur Vahr mentioned on this site, has anyone out there played there or have actual pictures?
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2006, 02:13:49 PM »
The latest edition is the 7th which was published in 2005.  There have been two printings of it, the first with several mistakes (such as the old routing of Banff Springs left on the map, but everything else changed, and a great howler - a picture of a bunker on the 4th at Royal St George's with a caption about Stanley Thompson.  These and a few other things were corrected on the reprint.

As for the 6th on Merion West, that disppeared from the text many years ago when the Merion entry was pruned from 5 pages to 4.  It was entirely fortuitous that that particular blunder was eliminated.  At that time I didn't know Merion and would never have spotted that.

Obviously I cannot say whether it is worth buying the new edition because I'm connected with it.  However, I would say that if ever you see a first edition grab it.  Ignore ll the other interim editions, as they are out of date.

The first edition was reprinted many times.  I believe there were revisions to this because additional text contributions are credited to Peter Dobereiner, Michael Gedye, Peter Hildyard, Keith Mackie, Marvern Moss, Arvid Olson, Donald Steel, Larry Wood and the late Alfred Wright.  

The second edition was where it began to get its knickers in a twist.  The revisions were compiled by Sachem Publishing Associates and Richard Widdows.  Their brief was to add a lot more American courses and this is when Sentry World, Poppy Hills, Lakewood, Shoal Creek etc were added to the gazetteer.  But the thing was riddled with mistakes.  They had the wrong course map for Cascades, the text descrbed the 10th at Pasatiempo as a par five, while the card gave it as a par 4 and lots more.  I pointed this out to the editor (who knew nothing about golf - her specialism was dog breeding) - and I got the job of putting it right for a new (3rd) edition.  However, by then Killarney (at that stage among the main entries) had been split up into two courses and I was able to get Ballybunion in to replace it.  hat was for a company called Mitchell Beazley.  They are still a publishing house within the Conran-Octopus conglomeration, but they decided to concentrate on their excellent food and wine books and handed the Golf Atlas to Hamlyn, who are another part of the group with a large sports catalogue.  Unfortunately none of the original art work was passed on and by then Mitchell Beazley had moved from their original offices and presumably all the at work was thrown away.

When Hamlyn decided to bring out a new edition they got a British golf journalist, Derek Lawrenson to update it, and to increase the number of modern courses in the book, particularly the gazetteer.  He introduced one or two strange courses such as Schloss Nippenburg and Stavangar.  He upgraded Royal Troon from gazetteer to main entry, added the Belfry, completely re-wrote my Ballybunion account, and introduced a lot of snippets related to happenings in recent tournaments, and there was much good material in this.  It made the playing of these courses more relevant to those who watch televised tournaments and have no clue who Paul Runyan, Cyril Walker or Orville Moody my have been - three, chosen at random, who were featured in earlier editions.  But Derek's brief was not to go through the text meticulously updating every yardage for every obscure entry from South America, India or Kenya. Unfortunately whoever put the book together did not have access to my corrections for the earlier edition and many of the mistakes I corrected were re-introduced.  For some reason he expunged NGLA and Ganton.

I got in touch with Hamlyn, pointing out (in my nerdish way) what had happened and, once again, I was invited to put it right, but I could only touch text.  There was no budget for artwork.  I've been involved in each of the subsequent editions.  

I don't have a brief to change anything I wish to or to choose to expunge one course, substitute another or seriuosly alter the balance of the book.  There is very little money for change.  In the most recent update we actually had quite an opportunity for change and with the assistance of a number of ken-speckled GCA regulars we've gone quite some way to weeding out weak entries and reflecting new trends such as the Sand Hills, Pacific Dunes while also bringing Crystal Downs, Riviera, Bethpage Black and others to greater prominence.  We also managed to remove quite a lot of junk by restricing gazetteer entries to 100.   However, there remain courses which I know you would wish to see removed.  In Europe we've managed to upgrade Woodhall Spa, add Kingsbarns and to sneak in Swinley Forest, Alwoodley and North Berwick - Alwoodley is a reinstatement, but it's a long story....We removed The Belfry - but there was a lot of opposition to that.

The book is revised and updated from time to time, driven by the sales reps.  If they say that their research tells them that the book does not contain enough courses currently being used on the European Tour and that there is a lot of potential for sales there, there is much pressure to reflect this and I have had to include K-Club, Le Golf National and others.  K-club will go next time round, but the question will be asked why expunge a Ryder Cup venue when we keep Royal Antwerp on which only one professional event has been played since the war.  There is much pressure also to remove Club zur Vahr because no professional play goes there these days.  

I'm sure there'll be another update in a year or two and I very much expect that, if I'm involved in it, I'll be putting something on GCA inviting suggestions, views and opinion.  The last time we did this there was some very robust correspondence!  Before you offer to write or update entries let me warn you that the money is peanuts and you lose heavily on conversion from £ to $.

RT

Re:World Golf Atlas Roll Call
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2006, 02:21:27 PM »
First golf course book I got, always by my bedside as a teenager, always intrigued by that National Golf Links of America Course
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