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Patrick_Mucci

What's the difference ?
« on: March 13, 2005, 05:32:44 PM »
In how you approach a vertical (12 to 6) ridge in the green or a horizontal (9 to 3) ridge in the green ?

Assume no fronting hazards.

Is one shot aerial and one along the ground ?
Are both aerial ?
Are both along the ground ?

SPDB

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Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2005, 05:38:00 PM »
aerial, wherever feasible.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2005, 05:40:57 PM by SPDB »

ForkaB

Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2005, 05:42:46 PM »
More likely to consider ground game for horizontal ridges, but these days the aerial game is the shot of choice 95% of the time, even for those situations.  Distance control is why.

SPDB

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Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2005, 05:54:11 PM »
Pat - aren't you repeatedly on record as believing that the aerial approach is far preferable in nearly every situation?

My biggest concern is the randomness the ground presents. Assuming there is not a lot of wind, I have a pretty good idea of what my ball will encounter in the air.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2005, 07:01:40 PM »
Pat,
I think the ground game is alive and well, it's just moved up to the green, hence the armed shot that releases and follows the contours. Our sixth at Hotchkiss has 2 ridges( think of a "T" inside an "O" forming 3 sections with the back being about 9 yds deep from ridge to over the usually firm green. Trying to hit this section and hold it on the fly is a low percentage shot, running it back there is more reliable, under any conditions.
I'm sure there are many other similar examples.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2005, 07:09:17 PM by jim_kennedy »
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

TEPaul

Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 08:39:04 PM »
Pat:

Small point but wouldn't the ridges in the greens be in-line or perpindicular to play rather than vertical or horizontal or are you approaching the greens from 1000 ft in the air?  ;)

paul cowley

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Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2005, 08:47:43 PM »
....Patyrick Mucki..i guess i will be the first dumbest pwerson to ask what you be talkin abouyt
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

TEPaul

Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2005, 08:50:35 PM »
Don't even ask what he's talkin aboot Paul or he'll tell ya that you misunderstood or misquoted him. And of course he'll have to question your authority, your motives and your ego!
« Last Edit: March 13, 2005, 08:51:48 PM by TEPaul »

Patrick_Mucci

Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2005, 09:10:53 PM »
Paul Cowley,

I'm talking about an elevated ridge or spine that runs through the green, either from 12 oclock to 6 oclock or from 3 oclock to 9 oclock.

TEPaul,

The ridge on the 12th at NGLA isn't quite 3 to 9 oclock, perhaps 2 to 8 oclock.

When the hole is in front of the ridge do you play your approach differently from when it's behind the ridge ?

SPDB,

"Nearly every" are your words.

The "vast majority" are mine.

paul cowley

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Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2005, 09:16:44 PM »
...Pat....OK, but where does the little hand come into play?
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Patrick_Mucci

Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2005, 09:18:53 PM »
Paul,
...Pat....OK, but where does the little hand come into play?

You'd have to ask Michael Jackson.
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paul cowley

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Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2005, 09:24:14 PM »
touche [no pun]..... ;)
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Neil Regan

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Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2005, 01:49:50 AM »
Tom Paul,

   Into which category does this exchange fall ? 5 ?
Grass speed  <>  Green Speed

paul cowley

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Re:What's the difference ?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 07:12:07 AM »
...on further reflection this morning, I think that from 7 till 1, I prefer vertical...but after 10 till 4, I would best play it horizontally.
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

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