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Ron Whitten on Shinnecock
MCirba:
From "The Lurker"
"This old thread is very interesting in its details of the transition in 1928-1931 to the present Flynn course from the Macdonald/Raynor Shinnecock course (1916-1917). I learned a lot reading it just now. I guess if one is my age, 10-11 years ago is enough time to forget some stuff.
I have heard recently from those Flynn historians, the remarkable golf architecture historian/Flynn biographer, Wayne Morrison, and his long time Flynn collaborator/analyst/consultant/appendage, the somewhat controversial and somewhat infamous TEPaul, that the golf course right now is amazing looking and playing what with the club has accomplished restoration-wise in the last 5-10 years. The latter fellow also met for the first time last week or so Shinnecock's superintendent, John Jennings, who moved from Chicago GC to Shinnecock GC 4-5 years ago, and was mightily impressed with him."
Carl:
Flynn's Cascades #4 is a bit "Redanish." Cascades' #15 is actually very close in design to his #10 Rolling Green, as it (Cascades) #15's tee was originally considerably to the left and played to 240 yards or so. Rolling Green's original #10 was very similar and played to app. 250 yards. In my opinion, Philadelphia in those days pretty much stood out for those kinds of ultra long par 3 designs. Even for a crack player they were intended to require a driver. Of course, Flynn was "hired on" to finish off Pine Valley after Crump died so he was certainly familiar with the famous ultra long par 3 5th hole on that famous course.
Thus sayeth The Lurker
Matt Frey, PGA:
The comment about Flynn holes that could have easily been Redans makes me think about Philadelphia Country Club's seventh hole. It's a terribly wonderful par three, but the way the land lays, it could have easily been built as a Redan. I love Redans, but I am kind of glad this one isn't.
JESII:
Matt,
Why isn't it?
How about if I told you the third at Merion was/is viewed as a version of the Redan...kind of broadens the scope a bit doesn't it?
Matt Frey, PGA:
Jim:
You make a good point about broadening the scope of the definition, but I suppose meant that Philadelphia Country Club's No. 7 isn't the "typical" Redan with a large kick plate in front of the green.
I haven't played Merion...I'll have to take your word for it on No. 3 ;D
Jim Nugent:
--- Quote from: Jim Sullivan on June 11, 2015, 10:44:38 AM ---
How about if I told you the third at Merion was/is viewed as a version of the Redan...kind of broadens the scope a bit doesn't it?
--- End quote ---
Jim, do you understand how/why #3 Merion was/is viewed as a Redan?
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