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As an American, I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Euros give them a proper beatdown. Such a whiny, pompous, FIGJAM-ish group that definitely had it coming.

Put me down as well as one who would love to have a drink with the Euros....and none of the Yanks.

P.S.  I don't understand the Ryder Cup hate on this forum, its almost as a bad as the latest Golf Ranking List bitch-fests.
Well said. Total agreement.

While I as an American agree with the feeling of most of the members of the American team.  Rory really dropped numerous notches in my book.  You respond to what LaCava did by getting in a shooting match with a caddy that is known to be one of the nicest in the business and happens to be a friend of LaCava.  He then chooses to apologize to said caddy that had nothing to do with what happened to you via text! I guess heís just a caddie so he may feel that treatment is fair, but I donít!    As it says on the back of the card at the Lido treat your caddie like you would your son or daughter.  Class is a two way street in my book!


Ummm. He cancelled his first engagement similarly. Why we he show more class to Bones?  Itís his style
Golf Course Architecture / Re: Old Town Club, NC
« Last post by Michael Chadwick on Yesterday at 11:55:10 PM »


Glad you had such an enjoyable experience at Old Town, and thanks for wanting to spur discussion with some good questions/observations. I agree that OTC is on a shortlist of clubs that should be recognized for fully maximizing their courseís site and designís potential on the basis of its presentationónot only for its playing surfaces, but for how the course ties into its surroundings. I know Mr. White has had a key role bringing that about!

OTC has a terrific, intricate routing. Although the land doesnít feel that big, when I played I was quite surprised by the amount of undulation. There are spots where the heart rate can get up while walking (16!), but it remains a sporty, compact yet well utilized piece of ground. My own opinion, however, is that its scale is on the more diminutive end of the spectrum when compared against other highly ranked courses (Merion being an exception).

You brought up Crystal Downs, and the two courses pair well against each other. I wouldnít argue with someone suggesting OTC has the better set of par 3s, and Maxwell nearly replicated the same par 4 5th! I do find the courses operate on different orders of magnitude, though, when it comes to the sense of scaleónot just within the course but its greater surroundings. The front nine at CD strikes me as far more expansive; fairway widths may be similar, but at CD the holes have more space amongst themselves, more acreage of native/fescue areas, longer range views, and when top-flight designs are closely matched, those elements have tie-breaker appeal at least to me. I also appreciate the MacKenzie eccentricity of a green like CD 7. If anything, I wish CD had more MacKenzie style bunkering per his drawings. If only Robert Hunter had been keeping an eye on construction as well!

I myself have Old Town as a Doak 8, albeit towards the bottom of my personal grouping of 8ís (that includes Swinley Forest, Somerset Hills, Prairie Dunes, Cal Club, Maidstone, etc.).

Crystal, for me, is the most borderline 8 or 9 Iíve played, yet I canít help but give it a 9 on account of how special the setting and scale of the front 9 is, plus its stunning collection of strategic short par 4s. Itís also a score that I think is upheld by the quality of a handful of back 9 holes, like 13-15 and 17-18. Though I think CD is the superior course, I agree that the rankings delta between the courses is likely not as wide as some publications have it.

In terms of rankings, Old Town appears to still be ascending. Why it took so long, since the resto/renovation has been around for a decade, Iím not sure. It was a new entrant in the current version of GOLF Magís World 100 at 92, and I donít think it has reached its ceiling there. On Digestís US 100 it rose somewhere around 40+ spots recently. GolfWeek is the most bullish at 22 for Classic, ahead of a number of pedigreed designs (Maidstone, Brookline, Cal Club, etc.).
Golf Magazine US 100
Old Town: 38
Crystal Downs: 20

GolfWeek Classic US 100
Old Town: 22
Crystal Downs: 13

Golf Magazine World 100
Old Town: 92
Crystal Downs: 29
Golf Digest US 100
Old Town: 54
Crystal Downs: 14

I havenít played Southern Hills yet, and while I think thereís more creative ingenuity at Old Town than at Prairie Dunes, I nonetheless still hold PD in slightly higher regard. Even though I know, for my own game, Iíd much rather have OTC as a home club than PD!

As for the greens, thatís high praise! My visit was during an early spring aeration, so I look forward to revisiting their surfaces again. What other sets come to mind that would be in the mix for you after OTC?
Golf Course Architecture / Wampanoag (Donald Ross) Restoration
« Last post by mark chalfant on Yesterday at 10:10:09 PM »
Tyler Rae recently completed a very fine restoration at this rolling course in West Hartford, CT. Many trees went goodbye while the fun factor increased exponentially. Now a golfer tackles numerous elevation changes, fabulous greens and splendid tactical bunkering.[size=78%]Brad Klein was an important consultant, he and Tyler closely based their decisions on an original set of Ross blueprints.[/size] Metropolitan Hartford should not be "fly over" country anymore.In addition to the stellar update at Wampanoag,Keney Park,Shuttle Meadow and CC Farmington are sporty examples of Golden Age layouts
Phil, I love reading Ralph Trost, he covered the Met Golf Section for decades, often when area tournaments were contested on Devereux Emmet layouts! Thanks for sharing a journey back in time.
Golf Course Architecture / Re: Spy Ring (Tyler Rae) on Long Island
« Last post by mark chalfant on Yesterday at 09:37:20 PM »
Many holes at Spy Ring have greens open in front that encourage the ground game. Some greens hug the land and seem like extensions of the fairway. Be very careful approaching the second green. It is better to miss into the left greenside bunker. Because there is a sharp fall off that penalizes golfers who lose their shot offline to the right.

At Spy Ring the holes have exceptional variety. The course challenges but does not overwhelm. The sense of scale and the transitions from green to tee are masterful. If you don't want to play another nine holes after you experience the strech from 5-9 you should probably take a sabbatical!
Golf Course Architecture / Re: Old Town Club, NC
« Last post by Joe Hancock on Yesterday at 09:11:47 PM »
The most recent work was to implement Better Billy Bunker, expand greens and improve the tie-ins to external grades, re-shape many of the tees and an added fairway bunker on #9. There was also many trees removed, which helped Dave Axland and I enjoy OTC Hickory smoke when cooking.

Bryant Evans was the course super during the project, and did a great job of keeping everything moving along. He will be moving on to another Maxwell course back in Tulsa. Dunlop was a wealth of information on the history of the course, as well as keeping a loving, watchful eye on the work being done. Dave Axland was the architectural foundation, as he was involved back in 2012 when C&C did work there initially.

Iím happy to hear Allyís impressions after the work. OTC is indeed a special place.
Further to Carl's point about having committed players, wouldn't it be appropriate for each Captain to talk with his players, as a condition of staying on the team, to find out what their plans were for the month before the match--and to have the ability to suggest more work or tournaments to stay sharp.  I'm not sure all players would take kindly to that--but maybe you don't want them on the team if they object.
In view of what took place yesterday evening on the 18th green and later on elsewhere a revisit to the original post would seem to be in order ....

"Is there a more over-hyped event in golf than the Ryder Cup Ö and is the level of hyping-up of events like it, the Solhiem Cup, the various Majors etc etc and all the various other activities that these days seem to go with them actually doing a detrimental disservice to golf?"

From this ...

To this .....


Because 54 years ago the audience for the Ryder Cup was a fraction of what it's become. It's no longer a quaint gentleman's match.
Why don't teams have permanent captains, the way that a national soccer/football or rugby team has a full time coach?  You don't just pick someone who retired last year to be coach of the England football team as an honour.  Europe used to have this with Tony Jacklin.  It seems to me that would be more efficient and you could have someone give his full attention to the task.  And they could spend more time getting up to speed on players strengths/weaknesses, analytics, etc.  And could build from one event to the next, rather than having to get someone new up so speed every couple of years.
The New Course (Old Tom) is the best round of golf Iíve ever had in my life. I liked it better than TOC. The one thing I would note. If my memory serves me, there is a good jump in time from the New Course to the Eden course (Colt).
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