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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Sven Bergstrøm on February 11, 2004, 02:40:13 PM
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Me näme Sven Bergstrøm Neiderländy änd Me live inda Sveden. Me ræd äll time äbøut paøple gettee tu pläy græt gølf cøursy inda Åmericä änd väntee tu find øut if Me tu mäke trip dere inda Yune ør Yuly tu pläy pläcy, sømeøne might help get øn them.
Me thøught äbøut emäilee Thømä Huckäby becäusa he seemee tu knøwledge høw tu soo, änd if he rædee , plæsa instänt messäge tu let knøw if Me cän pläy Pine Wälley ør Näshunäl Gølf pøssible.
Me sørry Me noo tränsläte tu Englskee, but Me vill interprety vith inda Yune hoo spækee fäirly good Englskee.
Thänkee før helpee änyøne.
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whoa.
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Hønest däy løng, Me thøught might be memby ät clubee Mr. Huckäby. Me vill suggest, änd velcøme änyøne hoo vøuld like tu pläy gølf inda Yune. Börk börk börk!
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The Dialectizer strikes again! You go, Sven!
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Åw shuckee!
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Me sure dispøsshun vill händle it Mr. Huckäby. If Me tu still fskee, Me usa twoo hookee. One før æch møuth øn æch fäce yörk smörk görk!
Cheeree
Sven
PS Lookee førwärd tu løtee gølf inda Åmericä. Vhät cøuntry!
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Me thinkee mäybe, yust mäybe, if ve tuk Mäx Behr prøsa änd Svedskeeify it, äll øur deepest quesshunee cøuld be änsveree. Börk börk börk!
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Me nevy thøught Däniel-sähn! But vøuld it be sømethee Tøm Huckäby vøuld buy änd underständ? knøw, since he such ävid fän gølf. Börk börk börk!
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ain't it skol, baby?
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äll been soo kind inda helpee inda me questee tu ädd impressive cøursy tu me list cøursy pläyee. Soo fär Me invity tu Säntä Teresä, Wictøriä, Burnt Up Tree, Green Frøggy änd Green Mønkey, Gølf Millee, Bärenyäegerhässinfruggy, Ferdinänd Bæch änd severäl øtheree. Høpa Me cän meet äll vhile Me øvy yörk smörk görk!
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Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden thi yer?
See the løveli lakes
The Wønderful telephøne system
And mani interesting furry animals
Including the majestic møøse
A Møøse once bit my sister ...
No realli! She was Karving her initals on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given by Svenge -her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink".
We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked.
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Ånd yust vhät moosa näme bit sisty Därren? Me cän ønly think best väy tu ättäckee it vith blunt end gølf club. Give it värm änd cuddly feelee.
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let's not encourage this.
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....please don't stop...my first chuckle out lowd all week :D
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Paul - might i ask why you begin sentences(?) with "..." - just curious.
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...SPDB, since this is a silly thread...is that Miguel Angel "two-belly" Jimenez as your mascot? A supreme athlete with the best hair style in golf :)
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...Rottcodd,
...That's why I posed my question, thinking the absurdity of this thread simply meant anything goes.
...As for my image, yes that's Miguel Angel. ...I don't know what happened to the guy, used to be so straight laced. ...Then I saw a pic of him at the Master's and couldn't believe my eyes. Seems like he's going through a bit of an identity crisis. ...Either that or spending too much time on Ibiza.
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Mr. SPDB Vhy such stiff ässa? Vhy nøt søme humør ønce inda vhile? Cän Me nøt be the Viking wøice ræsøn?
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Ålsoo, Vhy did Mr. Huckäby remøve hy bäit bitee pøst? he delete äll hy pøstee?
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SPBD....dunno really, hadn't thought about it till now.
as self taught 'primative' in all i know professionally [nothing beyond highschool] [still hunt and peck, first started typing last year when i got a computer] it just seems natural......
maybe this year i will try to master the cap key.
[hit enter key twice, i like that ] poetic liscense or ignorance, its just me.....
.....hope i have not offended thee ;)
just curious, what does SPDB stand for ?.
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Not at all. I was just curious.
SPDB are my initials.
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SPDB...
now that i think of it, its probably that i subconsciously don't like to start really close to the left margin, feels really jammed.
...a design thing i guess.
or maybe its how my thoughts flow from head to hands...
but we are way off a way out there thread.
.....from analizing you initials, i would bet your're irish.
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黑 体 宋 体 宋 體 楷 體
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Perhaps the old days weren't so good after all.....
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Perhaps the old days weren't so good after all.....
For the most part, your observation is correct.
Ken
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Ken,
Your concept of "the old days" is completely dependent upon the particular dividing line between the "previous era" and today. David Huish once opined to me that the Redan Bunker at North Berwick "had always been partially grown in as you find it," but the fact is that his knowledge began at 1953 and he had little interest in anything that occurred before it. Such is the hubris attached to those who can strike the ball beautifully but have not been held to any standard of aesthetic, strategic or historical knowledge. Nobody dares to challenge the man who led The Open - as if his opinion eclipses all other perspectives.
If this were true (let us extrapolate), Tiger Woods would be the greatest designer of all time. No, wait! Jack Nicklaus and his early efforts would be . . . . . do we need go on?
To be honest, I find GCA to be a shadow of its former self due to the inevitable dilution of discourse - primarily to the "inclusion" of newbie muffinheads as part of some sort of egalitarian experiment go awry.
We always welcome a new voice, but half the zippy's who chime in belong in the cheap seats instead of elbowing their way to the lectern.
That stated, years ago I was accused of "puerile wing-nuttery," so maybe I ought just jump on the bandwagon and follow Pelosi over the falls. I hear drowning is actually a peaceful way to die.
g
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...at least it shows my typing has evolved...where the hell is SPDB?
Gib, don't follow Pelosi over the falls....committing seppuku at the top is more honorable.
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To be honest, I find GCA to be a shadow of its former self due to the inevitable dilution of discourse - primarily to the "inclusion" of newbie muffinheads as part of some sort of egalitarian experiment go awry.
We always welcome a new voice, but half the zippy's who chime in belong in the cheap seats instead of elbowing their way to the lectern.
Gib, I have to ask, what exactly makes you a member of golf royalty and me (being somewhat new to the site) a simple peasant? Do answer that for me please. After all, how many people on here would actually have a recognizable name or face to the majority of the golfing public?
Tell you what, you get Jack Nicklaus, Greg Norman, Mike Davis of the USGA, Jim Remy of the PGA of America, Peter Dawson of the R & A and a few other really noteworthy among the golf elite, and I'll start to believe you about some egalitarian experiment. After all, I'm just a simple public course golfer, what could I possibly know about golf design and architecture??
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One question is do "Just Golfers" belong on the site?
Anthony
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John,
I do not consider you one of the zippys who belong in the cheap seats. Actually, your posts are generally insightful and cogent. I think you need to read my post again. Nowhere did I assert that *all* newbies are muffinheads. But it never used to be necessary to wade through a series of inane drivel to get to something interesting.
And what does being a "public course golfer" have to do with the issue at hand? Some of the sharpest tools in this shed play public golf. Let's start with my very good friend Adam Clayman.
Perhaps you can further explain. I'm not sure how your "royalty" argument follows logically. I just went and looked in the mirror to make sure and there was no crown atop my head. Sure enough, dark brown and lots of gray hair. But no crown.
Very strange that you would identify yourself as a peasant. This might be a indicator of a deep-seated inferiority complex or a negative self-image. There are support groups for these sort of emotional challenges . . . .
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Waking up sort of late today. It was a good night at Casa de Vino. May I recommend McKinlay's Pinot Noir from Willamette Valley--2006. At 34 bucks a bottle, it's laughably underpriced. Then again, it's probably 56 bucks in San Francisco.
But I digress. I wake up to read this conversation regarding "eras" of GCA.com. You could say that I have a dog in this fight, as I am fairly new here. What strikes me as humorous, is that a site barely ten years old, that connects over technology still considered "new", and with a membership of less than 2000 individuals, can have "eras".
I often find myself feeling nostalgic and looking up threads from yesteryear--say 2004--and reading with a feeling of wistful longing for a time when GCA.com wasn't corrupted by newbies with bruised elbows and sore throats. A time when this site was more autocratic in it's understanding of golf architecture.
Gib, you're a great friend, but inevitable dilution of this site with those enamored by the product being created here--I am one of those--was just that, inevitable. Like any egalitarian form of government, we must take the good with the bad. Embrace it! Nuggets of good often come from mindless drivel. Need proof? Grab a copy of Golf in the Kingdom.... ;D
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I think there are some spelling errors onthis thread.
Anthiny
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One question is do "Just Golfers" belong on the site?
Anthony
No, I don't think only golfers belong on the site. However, that being said, I think only people with a great interest in the design and maintenance of golf courses should be included. If someone who has never touched a club can meet that description, then for sure bring them on. Otherwise, I'd just as soon they not be around.
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Gib-Your original post seems like it is written with you standing on some pedestal looking down on the new guys of GCA. I've been here going on 3 years and I have seen some really crazy stuff. I've seen John Kavanaugh talk about any number of crazy things and I've been witness to two battles in the ongoing war over Merion. And there are at least two other engagements from that conflict from the past. Those guys have been fighting for a good long while, so I don't think thats gone downhill in the recent times. And I think with Cobb's Creek, I think we've come to one of the higher points we've seen, and that according to some of the longest standing of the members. I really don't think there has been some marked decline in the quality of this site recently, at least not in the 3 years I've been here.
You may not be "royalty," but your original post sure made it seem like you felt like you were better than many other people on here, especially many of the new people.
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Gib-Your original post seems like it is written with you standing on some pedestal looking down on the new guys of GCA. I've been here going on 3 years and I have seen some really crazy stuff. I've seen John Kavanaugh talk about any number of crazy things and I've been witness to two battles in the ongoing war over Merion. And there are at least two other engagements from that conflict from the past. Those guys have been fighting for a good long while, so I don't think thats gone downhill in the recent times. And I think with Cobb's Creek, I think we've come to one of the higher points we've seen, and that according to some of the longest standing of the members. I really don't think there has been some marked decline in the quality of this site recently, at least not in the 3 years I've been here.
You may not be "royalty," but your original post sure made it seem like you felt like you were better than many other people on here, especially many of the new people.
John,
I agree with you in principle about the argument of goldern era vs. newbies. But Gib isn't the one to attack. It's the idea of it all. Amiable, funny, intutive, munificent. These are all traits that describe Gib the day I got to spend with him at O Lake and at his watering hole in Burlingame.
Engage him in funny banter if you wish. Even disagree with him in order to force further ranting ;D, but never accuse him of looking down his nose and acting as royalty. Seven hours with the man and I know that that is not him.
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To be honest, I find GCA to be a shadow of its former self due to the inevitable dilution of discourse - primarily to the "inclusion" of newbie muffinheads as part of some sort of egalitarian experiment go awry.
We always welcome a new voice, but half the zippy's who chime in belong in the cheap seats instead of elbowing their way to the lectern.
Ben, just read that comment. I don't know Gib, so I don't know how to take that comment. Seems to me he's talking down on new and potential new members. Perhaps he isn't.
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Maybe he was just talking about Anthony!
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Maybe he was just talking about Anthony!
Carl,
Gib is one of my favorite posters. I wish I was as articulate as Gib. I watch his facebook daily. No problem with Gib. Great time at Bandon in a couple weeks. Join us.
Anthony
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Maybe he was just talking about Anthony!
Carl,
Any thoughts about Golf Course Architecture? Ideas for discussion? Any threads on your mind? Any photos of courses?
Anthpony
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C'mon, Anthony, that was an explanation of the position not an endorsement. Plus, I thought you had thicker skin!
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I, for one, take exception to the fake name used in the original post.
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C'mon, Anthony, that was an explanation of the position not an endorsement. Plus, I thought you had thicker skin!
My apologies Carl. With all th IMs going back and forth on fish bars and black underwear its hard to determine the contamination. Again my apologies. Come golf with me and Gib in a month.
Cheers,
Anthony
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C'mon, Anthony, that was an explanation of the position not an endorsement. Plus, I thought you had thicker skin!
My apologies Carl. With all th IMs going back and forth on fish bars and black underwear its hard to determine the contamination. Again my apologies. Come golf with me and Gib in a month.
Cheers,
Anthony
I wish I could join, for sure. My my how money and work have to get in the way of good golf. :'(
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Ken,
Your concept of "the old days" is completely dependent upon the particular dividing line between the "previous era" and today.
But of course.
And a person's view of how "good" the old days were, in almost any context, depend a lot on things completely unrelated to how things actually were.
I have participated in a number of online discussion boards over the years, and just about every one of them have folks who say things are going to hell in a handbasket. Come to think of it, just about every place I have lived, worked, played, or just hung out has folks who go on and on about how crappy things are compared to how they used to be.
As far as I can tell, complaining about it is a waste of time.
It's like an excercise bike, the damned things wear you out but they don't get you anywhere.
Ken
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John Moore,
I gave a bit of thought to your j'accuse! upbraiding and have decided to be offended at your presumptuous assumption that because I grew up at San Francisco Muni (Read: Olympic), somehow my Armenian blood runs blue. So, driving down the road stewing about the way you expelled snot from your nose on my Foot Joys, I made a rough head count of my GCA homies from the years when discussion of golf design was so arcane and hopelessly nerdy that we might as well have been sitting in front of our computers wearing nothing except Dungeons and Dragons costumes.
Bahto, Shivas, Getka, Clem, Emperor, Brains (in the USA), Clayman, Dan King, Green Bay, Moriarty, Huckster, Meagher, Redanman, Fortson, Stettner, Gunner and Cummings were (or still are) public golfers. I count "semi-private" clubs because they are also "semi-public." I've gotten to know a few of the newcomers and most of the ones I call friend play public golf. Kids like Ben Sims may fly a billion dollars worth of military hardware around the globe, but he steps up to the window and pays the starter just like everybody else.
I'm leaving out another two-dozen regular contributors from the old days, most of whom used Casa de Dicknozian as a crash pad when stumbling into town on a golf junket. Sure, some of the regular gang had impressive logos on their club ties, but it was understood that everybody was equal in the Treehouse - except for the occasional pseudo-intellectual idiot with a wicker basket tattooed to his forehead.
I think a previous poster hit the target: The Treehouse was a lot more fun before everybody knew about us. This was demonstrated to me in technicolor at an incredibly toney East Coast event six years ago. We were off to dinner with a group when one of the guests whispered in my ear that a certain architect - with whose work I have a trifle critical - would be joining us, along with the Exec. Director of the USGA.
Someone must have thought it an amusing experiment to seat me directly across from him, but I felt sure that a person of his stratospheric stature had never heard of Golf Club Atlas, let alone an obscure golf scribe from a regional newspaper.
I walked in the door and sat down, held out my hand to this gentleman and introduced myself. His response was like a bucket of ice water over my curly locks.
"I know exactly who you are," sneered the world famous architect, who also somehow knew I was well acquainted and a fan of his brother's work.
It was at that moment of crystal clear clarity, overlooking the boats wandering into Newport harbor, that I realized just how many people actually read what I always thought was a private conversation over the internet between friends.
Now, those actually in the industry are forced to tread lightly because you never know who is lurking. Maybe the answer is to shut off access to non-members . . . . . but that hardly advances the cause of bringing great architectural ideas to the masses. I don't know what the answer is, because this website - thanks to Ran and Ben - seems to have unimaginable influence.
But I still miss Tommy's shrieking critiques and Moriarty's leftist rants and Huckster's Opie Griffith rap . . . . . . we take ourselves too seriously these days - mostly because we don't know each other personally. I especially loved OT threads . . . . . . nobody likes a game of ping pong better than me.
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Gib-I'm not sure how to take your last post. I actually think its funny. I have played golf twice with Ed Getka, top notch guy; hopefully he thinks I'm a decent dude as well.
However, on the topic of some of the older members, some, I truly think, do seem to look down on public golfers, and I've gone back and forth with at least one of them a few times, though not recently. I think some here tend to think the only place to find worthwhile architecture is on a high-end, untra-exclusive private golf course; its not. And I have stated that from the time I got here.
Perhaps its just all about perception...
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However, on the topic of some of the older members, some, I truly think, do seem to look down on public golfers, and I've gone back and forth with at least one of them a few times, though not recently. I think some here tend to think the only place to find worthwhile architecture is on a high-end, untra-exclusive private golf course; its not. And I have stated that from the time I got here.
Perhaps its just all about perception...
John,
I assume you mean Pat Mucci? The guy still thinks Notre Dame plays Division I football. ;) He is a dinosaur man. Get over it. 8)
The concept of private and public golf has changed enormously since Sven started this thread. I actually heard of a guy quiting a "private" club recently that he joined as a temporary trial because he did not want to lose his ability to play in the the US and his state Publinks. Definitions are changing by the day. Want to play the following:
The Creek
Sleepy Hollow Counrty Club
Sunningdale Country Club
Rockrimmon Country Club
Knickerbocker Country Club
The Whippoorwill Club
The Tuxedo Club
Fairview Country Club
Metropolis Country Club
Quaker Ridge Golf Club
Westchester Country Club
Join Stationers Golf for $200.
http://sgagolf.net/course.html
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I keep mumbling that the great equalizer of GCA.com -- assuming one was ever needed -- is playing with other GCA participants, best of all in the Kings Putter, Dixie Cup and Buda Cup. Playing with others and having drinks and maybe dinner after creates a bond that internet chatter can never establish.
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I keep mumbling that the great equalizer of GCA.com -- assuming one was ever needed -- is playing with other GCA participants, best of all in the Kings Putter, Dixie Cup and Buda Cup. Playing with others and having drinks and maybe dinner after creates a bond that internet chatter can never establish.
WE did that. You won. And now you don't return my calls.recieve the roses or even wear the hat I bought you.
Anthony
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I keep mumbling that the great equalizer of GCA.com -- assuming one was ever needed -- is playing with other GCA participants, best of all in the Kings Putter, Dixie Cup and Buda Cup. Playing with others and having drinks and maybe dinner after creates a bond that internet chatter can never establish.
WE did that. You won. And now you don't return my calls.recieve the roses or even wear the hat I bought you.
Anthony
But I did watch your action in the bar in Aiken with great interest.
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What changed golfclubatlas.com in the past 10 years the most??? The Blackberry, IPhone, and various other smartphones. How? They allow for people to check the website from anywhere and post their quick and marginal thoughts on every single thread on the first page. When people (new and old for that matter) post one sentence blurbs that amount to less than twitter comments they flood the website with so many useless posts that to sometimes find the good stuff that someone actually took more than 30 seconds to draft is almost impossible. Unfortunately some people think that posting quick, "witty" sentences with obvious spelling errors is cute and their inflated post total somehow gives them credibility...in fact it does anything but.
What kind of comments am I referring to??
WE did that. You won. And now you don't return my calls.recieve the roses or even wear the hat I bought you.
Anthony
My apologies Carl. With all th IMs going back and forth on fish bars and black underwear its hard to determine the contamination. Again my apologies. Come golf with me and Gib in a month.
Cheers,
Anthony
Carl,
Any thoughts about Golf Course Architecture? Ideas for discussion? Any threads on your mind? Any photos of courses?
Anthpony
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I think there are some spelling errors onthis thread.
Anthiny
One question is do "Just Golfers" belong on the site?
Anthony
The wannabe John Kavenaugh/Twitter mentality of some, primarily of one, is the main obstacle to having a board filled with legitimate discussion.
In the grand scheme of things this is still a great website with participants that generally get it, regardless of if many of the major early players have moved on to other discussion boards and there is a good amount of "new" blood posting. I also agree with Bill_McBride above that generally meeting the members of this site in person adds greatly to the online discussion. However some (and by some I mean a very small amount) people on this site have already convinced me that I would never want to meet them in person based on their actions on this site.
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Gib-I'm not sure how to take your last post. I actually think its funny. I have played golf twice with Ed Getka, top notch guy; hopefully he thinks I'm a decent dude as well.
However, on the topic of some of the older members, some, I truly think, do seem to look down on public golfers, and I've gone back and forth with at least one of them a few times, though not recently. I think some here tend to think the only place to find worthwhile architecture is on a high-end, untra-exclusive private golf course; its not. And I have stated that from the time I got here.
Perhaps its just all about perception...
John,
If I can intrude into this minor contretemps, I don't sense elitism hereabouts vis a vis public golfers by the members of private clubs. On the contrary, I have seen countless examples of great camaraderie among both camps. Plenty of us private club members have hosted public (and private member) golfers from around the world and plenty of public players have organized outings at their favored venues for others as well. There are occasional incidents of outright abuse of people who are members at private clubs by some posters here who could accurately be labeled access whores, but I can't say whether they are "publics" or "privates". The access whore issue is a relative constant here, but after a while, one develops the radar and they can be screened out.
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I find the turn this thread has taken interesting and hear are my 2 cents.
I've been a member on this site for a long time but rarely post. Why? While the subject of golf course architecture interests me, I feel like a dullard compared to many of the "old-timers" on the board. I've never done research on who dug what bunkers, never studied aerial photos of long gone courses. Hell, I'm so naive I always just assumed that Wilson designed Merion and am happy to keep believing it.
I've been intimidated by the knowledge of some of these people and in awe of the great courses they had played/studied. But, you know what...of the many members I've met I realized something. Most of them are just normal folks, with normal jobs, with normal life stories (excluding Mr. Huntley whom I'm pretty sure has a more interesting story than most, but thats a good thing) that just happen to have an abnormal interest in gca. Of the many members I've met; I can honestly say that I would play golf again with almost all of them. And I've never felt like I was inferior to any of them, and they've never acted superior to me.
I met a few guys for dinner/drinks, met a handful at their clubs and have gone to a few GCA events and each time is a treat. I wish I had the money/time to attend more but that's life. Hell, I've even had a GCA celeb play at my little ratty public course.
Are their some golf snobs among us..I sure . Are their some "newbies" making pointless comments..sure. But I think the great majority of us are just guys who happen to like a really odd topic and are happy to find a few other people in the world with the same interest.
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A good number of the more interesting and thoughtful posts come from "Newbies" (BTW, what qualifies as a Newbie? I feel like one frequently but have been around for 3 or 4 years and have 1000+ posts. These "good old days" of which Gib speaks must be before then, since I don't recognise the changes he describes.). Posters like Scott Warren and Jon Lyon bring plenty to this board. Of course it's a worse place for the absence of some (Rihc, for one is sorely missed. Hopefully he will return one day.) Of course there are some inane and pointless posts and some posters are responsible for more than their fair share (I find myself in agreement with Pat Craig again on this).
I'd echo Bill's thoughts and Dale's. I have never played golf with a GCA poster I would not, happily, play with again (with perhaps one exception and of course, I would not play for money against Chappers, at least not off that handicap). Nor have I met or played with a GCA poster who was not genuinely interested in architecture and discussing it. Not all have the confidence (or sometimes knowledge) to discuss the weightier, more complex issues that get discussed here and not all (indeed not many) feel comfortable with the aggressive, personal nonsense that sometimes breaks out and perhaps the facetious, "wit" is an attempt at levity to avoid that but there have been ebnough great threads recently (and, indeed, currently) that I think GCA is in good health.
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Gib-I'm not sure how to take your last post. I actually think its funny. I have played golf twice with Ed Getka, top notch guy; hopefully he thinks I'm a decent dude as well.
However, on the topic of some of the older members, some, I truly think, do seem to look down on public golfers, and I've gone back and forth with at least one of them a few times, though not recently. I think some here tend to think the only place to find worthwhile architecture is on a high-end, untra-exclusive private golf course; its not. And I have stated that from the time I got here.
Perhaps its just all about perception...
John,
If I can intrude into this minor contretemps, I don't sense elitism hereabouts vis a vis public golfers by the members of private clubs. On the contrary, I have seen countless examples of great camaraderie among both camps. Plenty of us private club members have hosted public (and private member) golfers from around the world and plenty of public players have organized outings at their favored venues for others as well. There are occasional incidents of outright abuse of people who are members at private clubs by some posters here who could accurately be labeled access whores, but I can't say whether they are "publics" or "privates". The access whore issue is a relative constant here, but after a while, one develops the radar and they can be screened out.
Among the people on the site that I have met, I have never experienced any ill will, and this includes 2 of the original members of the site. They have been very cool people.
As far as access, I can honestly say that if I was to mention on this site that I was a member of a private club and someone were to have the idea to ask me if they could come play, I might not know them from anyone, but I'd pretty much be like "just say when." Some go a little too far, of course, but in general, I think some are a little too touchy on the issue. I actually had this happen with John Kavanaugh a while back. He mentioned he was a member at Victoria, so just out of the blue, on the main board, I said something to the effect of "so when are you and I going to play." He responded "I have an 8am teetime tomorrow with an opening, if you can make it, be there." What was so wrong with that?
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As far as access, I can honestly say that if I was to mention on this site that I was a member of a private club and someone were to have the idea to ask me if they could come play, I might not know them from anyone, but I'd pretty much be like "just say when." Some go a little too far, of course, but in general, I think some are a little too touchy on the issue. I actually had this happen with John Kavanaugh a while back. He mentioned he was a member at Victoria, so just out of the blue, on the main board, I said something to the effect of "so when are you and I going to play." He responded "I have an 8am teetime tomorrow with an opening, if you can make it, be there." What was so wrong with that?
Nothing BUT:
* Kavanaugh lives in the middle of nowhere. He gets excited to see any people, let alone new people. ;D
* Kavanaugh figures the more people that drive cars on his roads, the quicker they wear down and the more money he gets from Obama. ;)
Not exactly a fair comparison to the Long Island and Monterrey members who simply have a larger volume of visitors.
PS. Almost forgot, Victoria is a Fazio!!!
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I for one have played Victoria National with Mr John Kavanaugh. He could have been more accomodating with the picture taking. Alot of great photo ops that he refused. So he does not get an A+ for his hosting abilities. He also took us for raw meat the night before. Again no A+ for that. I miss him. He was much more articulate and ingenius with his insults directed at me than these present jokers. He would also enjoy golf more if he were a worse player.
Anthony
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As far as access, I can honestly say that if I was to mention on this site that I was a member of a private club and someone were to have the idea to ask me if they could come play, I might not know them from anyone, but I'd pretty much be like "just say when." Some go a little too far, of course, but in general, I think some are a little too touchy on the issue. I actually had this happen with John Kavanaugh a while back. He mentioned he was a member at Victoria, so just out of the blue, on the main board, I said something to the effect of "so when are you and I going to play." He responded "I have an 8am teetime tomorrow with an opening, if you can make it, be there." What was so wrong with that?
Nothing BUT:
* Kavanaugh lives in the middle of nowhere. He gets excited to see any people, let alone new people. ;D
* Kavanaugh figures the more people that drive cars on his roads, the quicker they wear down and the more money he gets from Obama. ;)
Not exactly a fair comparison to the Long Island and Monterrey members who simply have a larger volume of visitors.
PS. Almost forgot, Victoria is a Fazio!!!
Fair enough. However, if someone contacts another person off the board about playing a course while in the area, what is the problem? Certainly if you start calling stuff out on the main page, it might turn some people off, but to do it off the board, whats the problem? I think people themselves take the issue. Like I said, if I was a member somewhere, I'd say the same thing to someone that Kav said to me.