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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Rick Sides on March 09, 2023, 03:10:58 PM
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Just saw TPC Sawgrass is up to 840 to play a round this month . Have some courses jumped the shark with prices that are now some peoples month mortgage for a round ?
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Not a lot of $840 mortgages in Florida. Don’t you feel better about Pebble now?
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I see this across the board. We have average public courses here in central Ohio that are charging $80 a round.
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Have you guys been to the grocery store lately?
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Have you guys been to the grocery store lately?
Things are bad, but I'm pretty taken aback by paying $840 for anything other than maybe Pebble Beach.
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Have you guys been to the grocery store lately?
Things are bad, but I'm pretty taken aback by paying $840 for anything other than maybe Pebble Beach.
I live two hours away and have never played the course. Not so much because of the price but the thought of spending 6 hours with someone who would. Is there a full time marshall on 17 to force people to stop hitting balls?
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Have you guys been to the grocery store lately?
Things are bad, but I'm pretty taken aback by paying $840 for anything other than maybe Pebble Beach.
Well, that's an easy one: don't pay it. I can remember when it opened the TPC was $100 to belong to as a national member and $25 or something like that per round, for arguably a more interesting course than they have now!
I'm guessing they don't want a lot of visitor play the month of the tournament so they raise the price to where only a few people will want to play. But they might make just as much $$$ that way, with half the traffic. There are lots of UK clubs ratcheting down the number of visitor rounds and ratcheting up the price to make the same $.
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You can always come to Barnbougle for $85:)
10 rounds for the price of one!
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You can always come to Barnbougle for $85:)
10 rounds for the price of one!
Have you bought an overseas air ticket in the past few months? I just did and I could have played the TPC at Sawgrass about a dozen times for what it cost me to get to Australia and New Zealand!
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Have you guys been to the grocery store lately?
Things are bad, but I'm pretty taken aback by paying $840 for anything other than maybe Pebble Beach.
Not so much because of the price but the thought of spending 6 hours with someone who would.
I mean... yeah.
Tom mentioned that it may be because of wanting to limit play and keep revenue up, so in a sense it's understandable, but man. I could probably fly to Scotland and play Ladybank with FBD for that price.
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You can always come to Barnbougle for $85:)
10 rounds for the price of one!
Have you bought an overseas air ticket in the past few months? I just did and I could have played the TPC at Sawgrass about a dozen times for what it cost me to get to Australia and New Zealand!
Betting that you flew First or at least Business and that you built it into your contract somehow.
First world problem.
Ira
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Tom you’re right about everything going up but most of our salaries ! I have a friend who has some money and doesn’t mind slinging crazy cash for rounds all over , however the average person will not be able to sniff a lot of nice courses soon. I just wonder if/when the golf bubble will burst because eventually with inflation the extra/recreational stuff has to go first.
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You can always come to Barnbougle for $85:)
10 rounds for the price of one!
Have you bought an overseas air ticket in the past few months? I just did and I could have played the TPC at Sawgrass about a dozen times for what it cost me to get to Australia and New Zealand!
Betting that you flew First or at least Business and that you built it into your contract somehow.
First world problem.
Indeed, and luckily I had four clients to split the bill. Even so, there have been several suggestions here about flying overseas to play golf, and the cost of flying, just like golf, is markedly higher nowadays, even in coach.
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Funny thing. I just started drinking wine and it seems moderately priced. A new golfer would feel the same way. There has never been more opportunity for interesting travel than we are experiencing today. Or did you forget the pandemic?
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It makes Vail look cheap at $260 for a lift ticket.
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Taylor Swift ticket for my daughter makes TPC look cheap !!
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This definitely has a "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded" vibe to it!
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Its an experience you won't find elsewhere? You can always play the knock-off #17 at Tour 18... with a bunch of other famous holes for $86 tomorrow.
Inflation is a bitch be it milk and eggs or tee times... one can just say no, as has been mentioned
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/ (https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/)
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It makes Vail look cheap at $260 for a lift ticket.
The break-even for my season pass at Homewood (Tahoe) is about three or four days! Ikon (Squaw/Alpine) is about the same. The b/e years ago on a season pass used to be six or seven days.
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"The break-even for my season pass at Homewood (Tahoe) is about three or four days!"
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That is an interesting "breakeven" ratio. At some of the golf clubs in Scotland I know, the cost of annual membership dues is 3-4 times the costs of a visitor green fee.
DT
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You can always come to Barnbougle for $85:)
10 rounds for the price of one!
Have you bought an overseas air ticket in the past few months? I just did and I could have played the TPC at Sawgrass about a dozen times for what it cost me to get to Australia and New Zealand!
Sadly I have - it's madness. Australia to London, I suspect, is even worse.
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Too much money is when people stop paying the number. And when that happens, the number will come down. That’s how the system works.
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I like To say that Vail is the Pebble Beach of skiing at a fraction of the cost. It’s even better value when compared to TPC Sawgrass, especially if you buy a season pass. This isn’t about inflation. This is about what the market will bear after 15 years of speculative asset gains. Pure and simple.
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Tom you’re right about everything going up but most of our salaries ! I have a friend who has some money and doesn’t mind slinging crazy cash for rounds all over , however the average person will not be able to sniff a lot of nice courses soon. I just wonder if/when the golf bubble will burst because eventually with inflation the extra/recreational stuff has to go first.
I have been a no goer for about 10 years now. With some exceptions, Just about everything to do with high quality golf tourism and equipment is a scam. If I took up the game now I wouldn't play a ton of courses I did in the past.
BTW I played North Berwick yesterday with my brother. He plays a few times a year and had never seen a links...First game in Scotland as well. He smiled a few times because of the walls and 16 green, but his main take aways were it's cool not to look for balls, bouncy fairways, good walk and a pretty location. Didn't mention scratchy greens, imperfect fairways, no carts or brown tinged grass. He liked NB and would play it again.
Ciao
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Used to be a charter member, e.g. one of 100 at this public resort and have hundreds of rounds. For the public, it's a 6-8 hour round, cart path only filled with drunkards berating caddies over missed 20 footers to save quadruple bogey. Or 15 handicappers playing from the back tees. Don't forget the forecaddy tip, or should you upgrade to walking, another $200 because the base rate of $100 per bag goes mostly goes to charity (e.g. clubhouse).
As a charity, it's strictly a money making machine and members can't get times themselves. With an infinity long waitlist and high initiation it still remains en vogue because it's cool to be in Ponte Vedra and say you're a charter member, or it was for me. They have a valley pass on the other course, but that is entirely different and doesn't really allow Stadium access, except with an irrelevant 7 day booking window and discounted $500 greens fees.
I was out of town before we left, but my wife and son made the mistake of teeing off in the afternoon and didn't finish hole two in 75 minutes and just left. I have heard reports of 9-10 hour rounds on occasion. And shark logos are banned onsite--it's for the children.
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I have heard reports of 9-10 hour rounds on occasion.
All I can say in reply to this assertion is C’mon Man ::)
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There are still some relative bargains to be had. I've booked a trip to the southeast of England later this year playing 9 courses. DS 6's to 9's. All but one are top 30-ish in England including a couple top 10's. Average green fee is under 140 GBP (approx $165). Round trip airfare (Coach) NY to London, including golf clubs and luggage is $775. Accommodations in nice B&Bs, small hotels and Princes Lodge, single occupancy with breakfast included averages well under $200/night.
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"There are still some relative bargains to be had."
American golfers visiting GB&I have no doubt benefited greatly from the strength of the U.S. dollar vs. the British Pound and the Euro over the past 5-10 years. From its high over $2.00 around 2008, the Pound ($1.21 this morning) has declined over 40% in value vs. the dollar. This has kept golf in the UK reasonably priced for visiting Americans.
It will be interesting to see how strong the appetite is for American golfers traveling to the UK should the Pound appreciate in value substantially (+30% to 50%) vs. the dollar.
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I have heard reports of 9-10 hour rounds on occasion.
All I can say in reply to this assertion is C’mon Man ::)
I'll second this one. Longest round I've ever played was roughly 5:45 and that was agonizing, couldn't even imagine 9-10, much less how the course logistics would work. 10-15 groups stacked up on 1 tee?
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I have heard reports of 9-10 hour rounds on occasion.
All I can say in reply to this assertion is C’mon Man ::)
I'll second this one. Longest round I've ever played was roughly 5:45 and that was agonizing, couldn't even imagine 9-10, much less how the course logistics would work. 10-15 groups stacked up on 1 tee?
At 9-10 hours the cost per minute is very reasonable ;D ;)
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It makes Vail look cheap at $260 for a lift ticket.
The break-even for my season pass at Homewood (Tahoe) is about three or four days! Ikon (Squaw/Alpine) is about the same. The b/e years ago on a season pass used to be six or seven days.
I have the Epic pass and for the five weeks I am here my break-even point was four days. I now have averaged $30 a day.
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I have heard reports of 9-10 hour rounds on occasion.
All I can say in reply to this assertion is C’mon Man ::)
I'll second this one. Longest round I've ever played was roughly 5:45 and that was agonizing, couldn't even imagine 9-10, much less how the course logistics would work. 10-15 groups stacked up on 1 tee?
I once showed up for a tee time at municipal course in Atlanta and there were 5 groups ahead of us waiting to tee off on 1. For some reason we still tried to play (I wouldn't do that now), but I think we teed off at least 45 minutes after our tee time and we quit after 9 holes. It would have been a 6+ hour round, but still nowhere near 9.
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I have heard reports of 9-10 hour rounds on occasion.
All I can say in reply to this assertion is C’mon Man ::)
I'll second this one. Longest round I've ever played was roughly 5:45 and that was agonizing, couldn't even imagine 9-10, much less how the course logistics would work. 10-15 groups stacked up on 1 tee?
At 9-10 hours the cost per minute is very reasonable ;D ;)
Stewart,
That made me laugh. I guess there's an upside to just about everything!
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I'm having flashbacks to high school and the shotgun start I played in with three groups per hole.
Yowza. Waits on par threes were like 40 minutes.
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You can always come to Barnbougle for $85:)
10 rounds for the price of one!
Have you bought an overseas air ticket in the past few months? I just did and I could have played the TPC at Sawgrass about a dozen times for what it cost me to get to Australia and New Zealand!
Betting that you flew First or at least Business and that you built it into your contract somehow.
First world problem.
Indeed, and luckily I had four clients to split the bill. Even so, there have been several suggestions here about flying overseas to play golf, and the cost of flying, just like golf, is markedly higher nowadays, even in coach.
My wife and I flew from Sydney to Europe return with our two kids in the northern summer of 2019 for AU$5200. It was a good deal, but there were plenty of options around $6k.
The same flights this year are upwards of $12,000.
We are waiting until prices come down but who knows how long that will be?!
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Many years ago, as we were driving by and mocking a certain overseas highly touted course, a very well written and well spoken friend said to me.
"Never underestimate the value of a good asshole trap-keeps the hidden gems hidden"
Truer words were never spoken, and it has never been more true.
There are plenty of good values out there if you tune out the noise and "must see" places the belt notchers and commission driven tour operators would have you visit.