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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Tom_Doak on March 08, 2023, 11:32:00 AM
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I am home today fighting off the jet lag and received a call from Bill Coore, who has been on site looking at a property where we might both do courses. I'm scheduled to go back in a month.
It was a nice conversation and when we were finished, he kindly reminded me, "Don't forget to bring light colored pants, so you can see where all the ticks are."
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Peter Bowman sounds as if he would gladly join you on the tick trip.
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Ticks is code for blood sucking groupies.
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Sounds charming. Hopefully the site is more fun than checking yourself for critters.
I always think about the scene from Catch Me If You Can where Leo is arm-in-arm with young lovelies as he strides to his Pan-Am Clipper when I’m shoving leftover hummus down my gullet at 0100 in Sacramento or Tampa. Glamorous alright.
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I am home today fighting off the jet lag and received a call from Bill Coore, who has been on site looking at a property where we might both do courses. I'm scheduled to go back in a month.
It was a nice conversation and when we were finished, he kindly reminded me, "Don't forget to bring light colored pants, so you can see where all the ticks are."
A lot like being the official who has to paint the lines and pound the stakes in all the places where you’d never think a golf ball could end up but you want to be prepared.
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Care needed. Lyme disease, which is spread by ticks, is bad news.
Atb
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I am home today fighting off the jet lag and received a call from Bill Coore, who has been on site looking at a property where we might both do courses. I'm scheduled to go back in a month.
It was a nice conversation and when we were finished, he kindly reminded me, "Don't forget to bring light colored pants, so you can see where all the ticks are."
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Probably a crazy question but when you are walking a potential site or actually in the construction phase are poisonous snakes much of an issue? I bet those guys who built TPC Sawgrass could tell some stories!
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I am home today fighting off the jet lag and received a call from Bill Coore, who has been on site looking at a property where we might both do courses. I'm scheduled to go back in a month.
It was a nice conversation and when we were finished, he kindly reminded me, "Don't forget to bring light colored pants, so you can see where all the ticks are."
I think our Mr. Doak must be very attractive to ticks. I recall sitting at a table in our cabin the night of the Mashie at Lost Dunes listening to his stories about various subjects, including the hazards of his occupation vis a vis ticks, when I spotted a tick crawling across the sleeve of his polo...
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I am home today fighting off the jet lag and received a call from Bill Coore, who has been on site looking at a property where we might both do courses. I'm scheduled to go back in a month.
It was a nice conversation and when we were finished, he kindly reminded me, "Don't forget to bring light colored pants, so you can see where all the ticks are."
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Probably a crazy question but when you are walking a potential site or actually in the construction phase are poisonous snakes much of an issue? I bet those guys who built TPC Sawgrass could tell some stories!
I only saw a few dozen in 45 years, even stepping on two water mocs who were still sort of snoozing from their winter hibernation. We always kept a pair of snake guards in the closet for use when walking sites.
In Indonesia, I wore sunglasses for both obvious reasons plus after one of those spitting Cobras stuck up many yards in front of me and I wasn't sure of their spitting range.
When Lyme disease was a big thing, they recommended putting your pants over your socks when walking the sites, which I did. Many times going to lunch or dinner I forgot they were that way and got some funny looks in restaurants or convenience stores when I walked in.
As far as I know, Frank Duane was the only architect to be paralyzed from a 1965 insect bite in the field that caused Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a debilitating disease that soon confined him to a wheelchair. Duane worked extensively with both Robert Trent Jones and Arnold Palmer. Somehow, despite traveling alone, he still made the long, arduous trip from New York in 1973-74 to the Big Sky project in Montana, with a difficult transfer from Minneapolis, but later was confined to local projects near where he lived.
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In brazil, even worst CRABS!
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Can only imagine how crazy this could get ! When building Twisted Dune I was riding by the site of the 11th green when I saw one of the guys running and screaming 😱 like he saw a ghost . Drove over to his machine and saw the skull and skeleton of a horse 🐎 that he had just dug up . Not exactly Indiana Jones stuff but my espanol didn’t pick up all the words he was screaming as he ran by
Turned out to be the remains of the previous owners beloved Dixie , and the hole was then forever “Dixie’s Dell”
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Jeff:
The Cowboys site must have been crawling with snakes. Of the probably 10 snake encounters of my life, 5 were on that (very excellent) course. Attending the rattlesnake roundup in Sweetwater as a 5 year old left an impression: I dislike snakes greatly.
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I think our Mr. Doak must be very attractive to ticks. I recall sitting at a table in our cabin the night of the Mashie at Lost Dunes listening to his stories about various subjects, including the hazards of his occupation vis a vis ticks, when I spotted a tick crawling across the sleeve of his polo...
Yes, I am a regular tick magnet!
When we were flagging clearing lines on the 16th hole at Sebonack, I hugged a tree with hundreds of ticks. I had to take off my pants and shake them all off. Both of my witnesses participate on this site occasionally.
I have been fortunate not to come across too many snakes in the course of my duties - I’ve actually seen just as many playing golf - but Bill Coore and I both only realized after the fact what a miracle it was that we survived doing our routings at Barnbougle.
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I was thinking about Barnbougle. When I was there (2009) my playing partner hit his tee shot on the fifteenth into the bush, went in after it and had a close encounter with a king snake. The thing you have to realise about Australia is that virtually everything you meet there wants to kill you, and the Australians themselves are about the least dangerous creatures you will encounter. Unless you go into the wrong pub on the wrong evening!
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While we were building the first course at Cabot, I went to Saskatchewan to check out a prospective site (that never materialized). Anyway, I had a tick latch onto my left leg just below my buttock; didn't know it until I realized it rode/flew with me all the way back to Nova Scotia!
My leg was pretty nicely bruised, but thankfully that was it.
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Working in the outdoors comes with a very individual set of potential risks. I've personally been:
Verbally abused by the locals.
Barked at by numerous dogs.
Chased by cattle.
Chased by birds.
Chased by weapon-wielding youths.
Bitten by insects.
Stung by insects.
Attacked by trees.
Attacked by shrubs.
But, best of all, befriended by the town drunk!
Happy days. Missing it all in retirement.
F.
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Chased by weapon-wielding youths.
Do tell !
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Working in the outdoors comes with a very individual set of potential risks. I've personally been:
Verbally abused by the locals.
Barked at by numerous dogs.
Chased by cattle.
Chased by birds.
Chased by weapon-wielding youths.
Bitten by insects.
Stung by insects.
Attacked by trees.
Attacked by shrubs.
But, best of all, befriended by the town drunk!
Happy days. Missing it all in retirement.
F.
Marty-A list fraught with danger no doubt but I would be more impressed with bitten by numerous dogs than merely barked at.
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I would be more impressed with bitten by numerous dogs than merely barked at.
I would think the over/under on getting bitten by snakes or dogs and staying in the business would be about two.
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I recently came across this article from 1920. Tillinghast describes some of the encounters he had in Texas.
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I would be more impressed with bitten by numerous dogs than merely barked at.
I would think the over/under on getting bitten by snakes or dogs and staying in the business would be about two.
The odds of not getting paid are worse.
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I would be more impressed with bitten by numerous dogs than merely barked at.
I would think the over/under on getting bitten by snakes or dogs and staying in the business would be about two.
The odds of not getting paid are worse.
I’ve had that a couple of times too!
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Chased by weapon-wielding youths.
Do tell !
We were refurbing an old playground near a particularly ‘rough’ neighbourhood, when a small group of the local gang noticed us and decided they weren’t very happy with our presence. A couple of thrown rocks later along with some threatening language and stick-rattling, we decided a hasty retreat was the best defence!
Funny to think only a few years earlier they would have been our target audience for the play facility!
F.
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Repairing the results of vandalism was probably one of the most regular part of my job/s. Very sad.
F.
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You can’t chase a dream without getting bit. Ain’t no snakes in cubicles.
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You can’t chase a dream without getting bit. Ain’t no snakes in cubicles.
Scott Adams might disagree…
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Some words from a perhaps somewhat fortunate Dr Alister MacKenzie in "Spirit of St Andrews' ......
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaC67PqXoAAzRCD?format=jpg&name=large)
Rather glad that his ability to design golf courses exceeding his knowledge of Australian snakes!
atb
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You can’t chase a dream without getting bit. Ain’t no snakes in cubicles.
Scott Adams might disagree…
It appears he disagrees with most if not all my core beliefs.
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You can’t chase a dream without getting bit. Ain’t no snakes in cubicles.
Scott Adams might disagree…
It appears he disagrees with most if not all my core beliefs.
Yup, quite astonishing.
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On a lighter note, an old colleague of mine rather succinctly described me as being the ‘guy in charge of trees and grass and shit’.
I was quite pleased!
F.
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Chased by weapon-wielding youths.
Do tell !
We were refurbing an old playground near a particularly ‘rough’ neighbourhood, when a small group of the local gang noticed us and decided they weren’t very happy with our presence. A couple of thrown rocks later along with some threatening language and stick-rattling, we decided a hasty retreat was the best defence!
Funny to think only a few years earlier they would have been our target audience for the play facility!
F.
Marty,
Not to say you missed out, but you kinda did. Working on same project here in the states that woulda been knives and guns instead of just a few harmless rocks (Think the rock throwing scene from Braveheart) ;)
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You may have knives and guns but we have Monty Python.
I was more thinking:
“I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal-food-trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
:D
F.
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You may have knives and guns but we have Monty Python.
I was more thinking:
“I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal-food-trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
:D
F.
Ha ha, perfect retort! ;D
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Jeff:
The Cowboys site must have been crawling with snakes. Of the probably 10 snake encounters of my life, 5 were on that (very excellent) course. Attending the rattlesnake roundup in Sweetwater as a 5 year old left an impression: I dislike snakes greatly.
Mike,
Yes, one of my closest encounters was near where bridge on 5 tee is, as we walked across the dry creekbed.
Will echo that on occasion have been vaguely threatened by some "yutes." I have stumbled on passed out drug addicts and even a corpse in a golf course restroom on a remodel.
In China, where they were putting the residents out of their homes to build the new subdivision/golf course, my Chinese hosts "volunteered me" to go speak to a lady who was upset about that (I only know 3 phrases in Chinese) who proceeded to beat me with her broom. Of course, mosquitoes in that region are scary if you forget to get malaria medicine a few weeks before going. They laughed at me for being more afraid of mosquitos than snakes. And, some of the scariest creatures can be customs officers when arriving in a hostile country. In Vietnam, they called me back to a private room, but after a few tense (to me) minutes, their only request was that I pay the visa fees in cash USD, even for the rest of the team from Japan, which I happily did to get out of there.
Also, wild boar (TX), a rutting moose, timber wolves and mama bears protecting their cubs (MN), and probably some others. Luckily, only the moose came anywhere near to being hazardous to my health.
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Moose are not to be trifled with. The hippos of the north!
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I would think the over/under on getting bitten by snakes or dogs and staying in the business would be about two.
The odds of not getting paid are worse.
MUCH worse, I can testify. But, like staying in the cubicle, if you haven't wound up working for someone you shouldn't, you weren't trying very hard.
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Who else has been pee’d on by an owl? Anyone?
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Who else has been pee’d on by an owl? Anyone?
:D :D :D
Okay, you win the Internet today!
Love,
F.
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Who else has been pee’d on by an owl? Anyone?
:D :D :D
Okay, you win the Internet today!
Love,
F.
Marty,
And I was sitting here thinking what could Joe possibly have done to piss off an owl. :D
P.S. Growing up in the Bay Area outside lunch time in school was always an adventure with swarms of seagulls who were simultaneously trying to steal your lunch, and poop it back on you! Safe to say there were a handful of unfortunate causalities including my buddy who got hit in the face on one occasion.
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You can’t chase a dream without getting bit. Ain’t no snakes in cubicles.
Obviously, you never met the various VPs at one of my places of employment.
PS, Scott Adams published a three comic set from one of my VP stories I sent him.
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Who else has been pee’d on by an owl? Anyone?
:D :D :D
Okay, you win the Internet today!
Love,
F.
Marty,
And I was sitting here thinking what could Joe possibly have done to piss off an owl. :D
P.S. Growing up in the Bay Area outside lunch time in school was always an adventure with swarms of seagulls who were simultaneously trying to steal your lunch, and poop it back on you! Safe to say there were a handful of unfortunate causalities including my buddy who got hit in the face on one occasion.
Kalen-We learned as kids to never underestimate the ferociousness of even a single seagull, forget about a swarm. The scene created from just one french fry dropped out a car window at a drive in anywhere near Long Island Sound was sheer mayhem.
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That humor would not be lost on Scott Adams.
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Moose are not to be trifled with. The hippos of the north!
Hi Charlie,
I've been around Moose a lot. As long as you avoid the cows with a calf in spring and any Bull during rutting you're relatively safe. They generally don't pay much attention to people. I've even come face to face hiking and at Highlands Links playing golf. They can barely see so they will come very close before turning away. I think that freaks people out.
But if your referencing the speed, yes they are shockingly fast runners.
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The Problem Bear (I have posted this before)
My final project with Carrick Design was called Muskoka Bay. The golf course was carved out of 250 acres of bush and rock with the golf course is strung out over 11 kilometers. The surveyor laid in centerlines for the holes by clearing a 5 wide meter opening from tee to green. This brought the first bear sighting of the project – from a distance.
The next stage was for Doug - and primarily me - to go out and flag out the trees for removal and the trees to be preserved. The tree cutters established paths between holes for access and once again the bear was sighted – on one of the paths. The cutters dropped the trees that were flagged out and the Skidder team followed them in picking up the trees and taking them to the burn piles. After a while the bear found the tree cutters coolers and enjoyed a nice meal. The cutters tied their coolers in the trees, so after a while our frustrated and brazen bear approached the cutters looking for food. Initially they would light up firecrackers to scare the bear away – usually quite effective - but after a few weeks it would not even turn after a firecracker was let off. We now had a problem bear.
The bear took to looking through the parking area for food after finding a meal one day and this caused chaos. When one of the workers was followed right into his truck – everyone was scared – even the tree clearing crew that were used to bears. We all walked in and out of the site from the same location and using the same trails and it unnerved all of us.
At this point one of the site supervisors had enough and took to carrying a shotgun to scare the bear away from the cutters. He wasn’t the only one to carry a gun on the site in the end. The skidder team and cutters worked closer together since the bear didn’t like the skidders – food or no food. The concern became the individuals walking the trails or the site.
My role throughout was to go out into the areas - to be cleared - where only the centre lines were cut so we could flag the full clearing widths along with all the key trees to keep. For perspective – this was thick bush – we yelled back and forth to see where each of us was using a flash of orange jackets for a quick location. With the bear clearly unafraid of humans, the supervisor thought we needed to carry a gun for our safety. Doug was reluctant and chose to stick with his large can of Pepper Spray.
I had one too but always thought that once the bear was close enough to use effectively use the pepper spray – it was more likely he would be scared of by the smell from you shitting your pants – than the pepper spray. The joke on the site was it was better to walk in pairs with someone you could outrun - or if you were the slow one, the trick was to trip the other guy first and then run away.
Anyway, I carried a shotgun with me for nearly a year – particularly during the times that I was out there by myself - which was most of the time. There was nothing more nerve-racking than when I was certain I saw him on the nearby ridge. It was most nervous I have ever been – safety off the gun – hearing noises everywhere. Imagine your heart beating 100 beats a minute and unable to get reception on the walkie-talkie – all the while wondering why I chose this line of work.
It would be a perfect ending to say I’m writing this in front of the fire with my feet out on my bear skin rug, but the truth is someone else ended up having to kill the bear as it began to venture into town looking for easy food.
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Some words from a perhaps somewhat fortunate Dr Alister MacKenzie in "Spirit of St Andrews' ......
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaC67PqXoAAzRCD?format=jpg&name=large)
Rather glad that his ability to design golf courses exceeding his knowledge of Australian snakes!
atb
When I started going to NSW Golf Club in the 70s with my grandfather it was quite common to find brown, tiger and black snakes on the course. In fact his favorite practical joke was to kill either a brown or tiger snake and stick it in his playing partner's bag. By some miracle he made it to 95yrs of age.
I imagine the site would have been absolutely slithering with them when Mackenzie staked out the course in 1926.
Fortunately, black snakes like to eat brown snakes so it's hard to find anything other than a black snake out at La Perouse these days* In fact, I saw a very healthy 5-6ft specimen on the 4th hole a couple of weekends ago.
* If you're not aware of the difference between the two snakes... A brown snake is smaller, but if you get bitten by one, you'd be lucky to make it back to the clubhouse alive.
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Moose are not to be trifled with. The hippos of the north!
Hi Charlie,
I've been around Moose a lot. As long as you avoid the cows with a calf in spring and any Bull during rutting you're relatively safe. They generally don't pay much attention to people. I've even come face to face hiking and at Highlands Links playing golf. They can barely see so they will come very close before turning away. I think that freaks people out.
But if your referencing the speed, yes they are shockingly fast runners.
Yes, the speed and size were the main worry. I know they don’t kill hundreds per year like the hippo. I didn’t realize they don’t see well, that might explain some of their apparent fearlessness.
Great story about the bear. I don’t think I would’ve been able to handle that!
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Herbert Fowler is stated as having routed courses on horseback (and there are photos of Mike Strantz atop a horse too).
I wonder how an architects appreciation and perspective of the landscape and its potential would alter if they were positioned an additional 6-8ft above ground level?
Atb
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Moose are not to be trifled with. The hippos of the north!
We had a moose visit us during the US Senior Women’s Amateur in Alaska last year. We just stayed out of its way. Fortunately no bears that week.
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The midges in the west of Scotland are just brutal.
Niall
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Herbert Fowler is stated as having routed courses on horseback (and there are photos of Mike Strantz atop a horse too).
Brian Schneider and I had to do that once, to see over sugar cane growing in the fields where the course was to be built.
We both made a compact not to take each other's picture. ;)
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As a small handful of this Board may know, the other portion of my working career revolves around developing and construction much needed affordable housing. I've had many a site visit in areas where its very uncomfortable to walk, especially as it gets to be dusk in the colder months.
I was with a handful of folks inspecting a terrific, but pretty remote site late one afternoon. The local neighborhood youth group living in the adjacent apartment project wasn't thrilled we were poking around in an area where we certainly didn't blend in well.
You've never seen 4 middle aged "thick" white guys duck and cover so fast when we heard the 1st shot. Site visit was complete after shot 2.
I'd take a bear any day - there were 2 guys with me that day who I know I could have outrun.
No, we didn't wind up developing that site.
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Herbert Fowler is stated as having routed courses on horseback (and there are photos of Mike Strantz atop a horse too).
Brian Schneider and I had to do that once, to see over sugar cane growing in the fields where the course was to be built.
We both made a compact not to take each other's picture. ;)
Tom,
I’ve been told a few times that Robert Trent Jones couldn’t walk the property when the Cashen was built at Ballybunion. Fortunately, there used to be horse stable down by the Cashen River and an owner that was willing to lend a horse as long as he could lead the horse with Mr. Jones on it.
When you think of what the Cashen was like before the years of gradual softening, it is pretty amazing they got a horse up and down to some of those original tee and green locations,
Then, too, apparently Mr. Jones was known to doze off a couple times a day while sitting on the horse and had to be minded so he didn’t fall and break his neck.
Love it or hate, the Cashen did produce lots of funny old stories.
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Herbert Fowler is stated as having routed courses on horseback (and there are photos of Mike Strantz atop a horse too).
Brian Schneider and I had to do that once, to see over sugar cane growing in the fields where the course was to be built.
We both made a compact not to take each other's picture. ;)
Tom,
I’ve been told a few times that Robert Trent Jones couldn’t walk the property when the Cashen was built at Ballybunion. Fortunately, there used to be horse stable down by the Cashen River and an owner that was willing to lend a horse as long as he could lead the horse with Mr. Jones on it.
When you think of what the Cashen was like before the years of gradual softening, it is pretty amazing they got a horse up and down to some of those original tee and green locations,
Then, too, apparently Mr. Jones was known to doze off a couple times a day while sitting on the horse and had to be minded so he didn’t fall and break his neck.
Love it or hate, the Cashen did produce lots of funny old stories.
I wish I’d seen the original Cashen. I haven’t even seen good photographs so if anyone has any to post / send, that would be much appreciated.
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Just a lowly golfer here. I got bitten by a tick years ago at a Maryland course. Within 24 hours I had the classic bull's eye pattern, went to the doc who immediately started treating me for Lyme's Disease (doxycycline).
Who knows if I actually had Lyme's Disease as it's hard to positively detect, but the medical wisdom is that if treated early, you usually avoid the much more serious symptoms you are likely to get when left untreated.
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Not Lyme’s, just Lyme. (Had a LOT of Training being an outdoors worker most of the career!)
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F.
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Not Lyme’s, just Lyme. (Had a LOT of Training being an outdoors worker most of the career!)
:)
F.
Lyme disease is named after Lyme, Connecticut. :)
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Herbert Fowler is stated as having routed courses on horseback (and there are photos of Mike Strantz atop a horse too).
Brian Schneider and I had to do that once, to see over sugar cane growing in the fields where the course was to be built.
We both made a compact not to take each other's picture. ;)
Tom,
I’ve been told a few times that Robert Trent Jones couldn’t walk the property when the Cashen was built at Ballybunion. Fortunately, there used to be horse stable down by the Cashen River and an owner that was willing to lend a horse as long as he could lead the horse with Mr. Jones on it.
When you think of what the Cashen was like before the years of gradual softening, it is pretty amazing they got a horse up and down to some of those original tee and green locations,
Then, too, apparently Mr. Jones was known to doze off a couple times a day while sitting on the horse and had to be minded so he didn’t fall and break his neck.
Love it or hate, the Cashen did produce lots of funny old stories.
I wish I’d seen the original Cashen. I haven’t even seen good photographs so if anyone has any to post / send, that would be much appreciated.
Ally,
To the best of my knowledge, there aren’t many pictures, if any, of the original Cashen. That was in the days before mobile phones and even if someone used an good old camera, some of the original stuff was probably not very easy to capture.
Mr. Jones did have my friend Kevin Frost do quite a few paintings. Kevin was the person who hit balls for Mr. Jones during the design. He was also an art teacher in the County Kerry school system.
I think Kevin gave Mr. Jones most of those early paintings, though some probably also went to regular visitors back in the 1980s.
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I wish I’d seen the original Cashen. I haven’t even seen good photographs so if anyone has any to post / send, that would be much appreciated.
Ally,
To the best of my knowledge, there aren’t many pictures, if any, of the original Cashen. That was in the days before mobile phones and even if someone used an good old camera, some of the original stuff was probably not very easy to capture.
Mr. Jones did have my friend Kevin Frost do quite a few paintings. Kevin was the person who hit balls for Mr. Jones during the design. He was also an art teacher in the County Kerry school system.
I think Kevin gave Mr. Jones most of those early paintings, though some probably also went to regular visitors back in the 1980s.
I can't post them because they aren't scanned, but I have 60-80 slides of the course from July of 1985 when I first played it -- of pretty much every hole -- and a couple of pictures from May of 1983 when it was still being constructed and grown in.
It was pretty severe! I played my ass off and shot 78, and while that wasn't the course record, Ted Higgins told me I might have been the first one to play all 18 holes without losing a ball.
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Tom,
You may have more pictures of the original Cashen than anyone on the planet!
Playing it back then without losing a ball is pretty amazing even without much of a wind.
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Tom,
You may have more pictures of the original Cashen than anyone on the planet!
Playing it back then without losing a ball is pretty amazing even without much of a wind.
Sounds like those slides would make a coffee table book that i would buy. I'm a fan of the Cashen course. It suffers in comparison to the old course, but hard to imagine how that wouldn't be the case.
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Surely the ticks can't be worse than the flies at 16, 17 and 18 of Dismal River Red.
"Glamourous"? You going Brit on us, Tom?
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Surely the ticks can't be worse than the flies at 16, 17 and 18 of Dismal River Red.
"Glamourous"? You going Brit on us, Tom?
Dan, nope.
We spell it glamorous, but we also spell it glamour.
We’re weird,
F.
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Tom,
You may have more pictures of the original Cashen than anyone on the planet!
Playing it back then without losing a ball is pretty amazing even without much of a wind.
Sounds like those slides would make a coffee table book that i would buy. I'm a fan of the Cashen course. It suffers in comparison to the old course, but hard to imagine how that wouldn't be the case.
Jon,
I agree with you. It would be great to see Tom’s pictures circa 1985.
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Surely the ticks can't be worse than the flies at 16, 17 and 18 of Dismal River Red.
"Glamourous"? You going Brit on us, Tom?
Dan, nope.
We spell it glamorous, but we also spell it glamour.
We’re weird,
F.
I don't learn something new every day, but I learned something new today! Thanks Marty.
P.S. This is about the spelling, not the weird part. I already knew you guys were weird.
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So let me get this Australian snake business straight: the brown snake basically kills you with one bite so be careful. The black snake eats this killer. The black snake sounds like a scary dude. But the implication is the black snake is my friend?
You Aussies are a tough breed!
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So let me get this Australian snake business straight: the brown snake basically kills you with one bite so be careful. The black snake eats this killer. The black snake sounds like a scary dude. But the implication is the black snake is my friend?
You Aussies are a tough breed!
And don't forget about the Spiders, they are a nasty brood too, but generally you have enough time to get the anti-venom so you won't die or incur serious health issues.
Many of them make large webs to boot, which I happened to walk thru one night when i walked between two trees about 2 meters apart and it wrapped around my entire body, yea that was an epic freak out! ;D