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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Duncan Cheslett on November 06, 2022, 02:55:25 AM
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This summer I made an abrupt mid (late?) life career change, closed my carpentry business after 30 years, and became a greenkeeper at Altrincham GC, a local municipal golf course in South Manchester. What a great decision!
It goes without saying that I now have a completely renewed appreciation for the work that greens staff do behind the scenes, but what I didn’t anticipate was an awakening in me of interest in the importance and relevance of municipal golf.
Ours is a quality course dating from 1893 which was completely remodelled after the Great War by Alister MacKenzie. It became a municipal in the 1930s after the club were outbid by the local town council on the death of the original landowner. Since then it has offered an introduction to golf for the ordinary people of the local area.
I had kind of assumed that such municipal provision was an outdated anomaly from a previous age that could these days be fulfilled quite adequately by private clubs. A quick look at GolfNow reveals plenty of alternative clubs at which to play at a similar price to the £20-£25 charged at Altrincham.
Yet Altrincham is busy, with a full tee sheet most days. Many golfers clearly prefer the more relaxed atmosphere at a muni to the the slightly stuffed shirt culture at even the lowliest private club.
Most interestingly, it is a profit centre for the local council which helps subsidise other recreational facilities in the town!
I’m very keen to discover more about municipal golf provision across the U.K. There is no definitive directory of municipal golf courses - an omission I hope to correct.
I’d be very grateful if people could alert me to any municipal courses they know of so that I can start to compile a comprehensive list by region.
A municipal course is one that is owned by a local authority and managed by either them directly, a stand alone subsidiary company, or by a contracted operator.
A course on land owned by a local authority but leased to private club or proprietor does not qualify.
Thanks in advance.
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Another aspect of municipal golf in the U.K. used to be putting greens and pitch-n-putt courses in many/most municipal community parks, things that seem to have largely disappeared over the last few decades yet places where so many folks were first introduced to golf. There were often tennis courts and bowling greens on site too. Lungs of the city/town as well as a facility for public use. A great shame. Local councils ditching paradise and building parking lots to paraphrase Joni Mitchell.
Atb
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There are a number of muncipal/public courses that have great bones.
I have played Camperdown, Dundee - now shut (but not Caird Park now knowing that's a Colt Course) and Hazelhead, Aberdeen (some Mackenzie holes) in Scotland.
In my area there is:
PETERBOROUGH
Thorpe Wood (Alliss and Thomas - mid 1970s) it was the longest municipal course then at 7100 yards - the expansion of the driving range reconfigured and shortened some of the holes still a strong challenge and has a high number of rounds of golf played.
Orton Meadows (Dennis and Roger Fitton - early 1980s) The front nine is potentially outstanding if it had TLC and some tree removal it is like transplanting a bit of Florida to Peterborough and the back nine is 1000 yards shorter with lots of par 3s.
Both public courses are run by Nene Golf. https://www.nenegolf.com/ (https://www.nenegolf.com/)
CORBY
Priors Hall - i have heard from local golfers that it has great bones and a challenging course better design than most private courses however let down by low costs towards maintenance.
LEICESTER
Humberstone Heights - like Priors Hall has great bones.
Western Park - I had played it a few times in the Scratch League and thought it was challenging with interesting landforms and long par 4s sadly it is now NLE as council focused more towards Humberstone.
Also have a family friend who lives in Southampton says that Southampton Municipal is good course. It was originally designed by JH Taylor.
Municipal courses are key to the grass roots of golf and unfortunately in the UK its numbers are going downhill. Most golfers prefer to play courses with good greens and tees rather than judge it on the quality of the design irrelevant of the levels of maintenance.
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Despite also playing a bit at Royal Aberdeen, I started playing from age 7 on the municipal courses in Aberdeen and they are etched in my brain. I was far from the only one:
1. Hazlehead (MacKenzie parkland) was my home course and I spent entire summers just hanging out there. It has 45 holes.
2. Balnagask / Nigg Bay is a links course on a headland with a few quirky holes worth seeing
3. King’s Links is one of the oldest playing grounds for golf still in existence
4. Auchmill is a 9 hole hilltop course that worked for a different location and demographic north of the city.
They were / are invaluable to young golfers and casual golfers continuing to play the game.
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Duncan
I posted on the thread about golf in Scotland sinking fast, about the municipals in Glasgow. Since then the Lethamhill course has been sold to the R&A to redevelop (Scott MacPherson is the architect) as a family friendly pay and play, and they have an option on the Littlehill course which is a James Braid from the mid 1920's. Well worth a play even if the green-keeping is "basic".
Glasgow has 4 other muni's, 1 of which (9 hole Ruchill course) closed during the pandemic and won't re-open, another (Alexandra Park, 9 holes) kept going during the pandemic but is likely to close. Of the other two, the nine hole Knightswood course will likely remain open for reasons not entirely to do with golf, and the 18 hole Linn Park will remain open as far as I'm aware.
Niall
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Fife:
Seven Courses at St Andrews managed by the Links Trust.
Balgove
Jubilee
Old
New
Eden
Strathtyrum
Castle
Seven Courses operated by Fife Golf Trust:
Auchterderran (9 holer)
Cowdenbeath
Dunnikier
Glenrothes
Kinghorn
Lochore Meadows (9 holer)
Scoonie
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Edinburgh:
Six courses managed by Edinburgh Leisure.
Braid Hills
Carrick Knowe
Craigentinny
Portobello (9 holer)
Silverknowes
Wee Braids (9holer)
Perth:
North Inch
West Lothian:
Polkemmet (9 holes)
Balbardie Park (9 holes)
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Marty, Ally, Niall, Ben,
Many thanks for your contributions so far. Together with my own researches Im building up quite a spreadsheet.
Please keep ‘em coming, guys!
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Edinburgh:
Six courses managed by Edinburgh Leisure.
Braid Hills
Carrick Knowe
Craigentinny
Portobello (9 holer)
Silverknowes
Wee Braids (9holer)
Perth:
North Inch
West Lothian:
Polkemmet (9 holes)
Balbardie Park (9 holes)
Braid Hills <sigh of joy> :D
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East Lothian:
Musselburgh Old (9 holes)
Winterfield
That’s all the ones (relatively) local to me!
PS Arbroath? Monifieth? Carnoustie, I suppose?
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East Lothian:
Musselburgh Old (9 holes)
Winterfield
That’s all the ones (relatively) local to me!
PS Arbroath? Carnoustie, I suppose?
What about Dundee? I’ve got Caird Park but are there any others?
Is Carnoustie a muni? 🤔
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For Dundee, Ben gave you Caird Park and that Camperdown is now closed. No others there.
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Is Carnoustie a muni? 🤔
Probably comes into the same category as the St A's Links Trust courses. Monifieth and Montrose I imagine are similar.
Niall
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There must be a few of the Ayrshire ones too? Troon Darley?
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A few in West Yorkshire Duncan, only the first of which I’ve played…
Kirklees (Huddersfield)
Bradley Park - 18 hole Donald Steel. OK with a couple of interesting holes. There were plans to take 9 holes to build housing but that seems to have gone quiet for now.
Leeds
Temple Newsam - 27 hole Mackenzie until recently. Now there are just 18 holes left and I’m not sure how they relate to the original layout.
Roundhay Park - 9 holes
Wakefield
City of Wakefield - 18 holes
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There must be a few of the Ayrshire ones too? Troon Darley?
14 in Ayrshire apparently - [size=78%]http://www.exploreayrshire-arran.com/things-to-do/golf-and-recreation/public-municipal-golf-courses-in-ayrshire/ (http://www.exploreayrshire-arran.com/things-to-do/golf-and-recreation/public-municipal-golf-courses-in-ayrshire/)[/size]
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A few in West Yorkshire Duncan, only the first of which I’ve played…
Kirklees (Huddersfield)
Bradley Park - 18 hole Donald Steel. OK with a couple of interesting holes. There were plans to take 9 holes to build housing but that seems to have gone quiet for now.
[size=78%]Wakefield[/size]
City of Wakefield - 18 holes
I grew up playing Bradley Park. It's a pretty severe piece of ground, and there are a few too many holes that are high tee, drive in to a valley and then up another hill to the green. I always liked the fourteenth hole at the far end of the course, which involved driving into some very humpy bumpy ground and then a quite sharply downhill approach. The only problem was that the green was quite close to a housing estate, and on more than one occasion, I saw someone hit a ball onto the green, only for a kid to run out of the bushes, steal the ball and disappear!
I used to play City of Wakefield (Lupset) in school when I got senior enough that they didn't try to force me to play rugby. I remember little about it except that it was longer than most of the courses I played at that age, because it had a very long (about 580 yards) par five, which seemed insanely huge in the mid 80s.
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Queens Park in Bournemouth is run by the council and Meyrick Park I think was but not sure now.
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There must be a few of the Ayrshire ones too? Troon Darley?
I have played Troon Lochgreen and there is also a third shorter course out of the trio that starts and finishes from a now revamped clubhouse. Troon Darley has work going on there currently by Kimber Glen
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Allestree Park in Derby which is now closed its a Harry Colt course prob 15 of his holes were in play recently.
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Great Salterns in Portsmouth is a Colt course that was a huge land reclamation project. I don't know the course, but it is a very interesting story.
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Ours is a quality course dating from 1893 which was completely remodelled after the Great War by Alister MacKenzie. It became a municipal in the 1930s after the club were outbid by the local town council on the death of the original landowner. Since then it has offered an introduction to golf for the ordinary people of the local area.
Duncan:
Congrats on the new job.
I have not heard of Altrincham, at least under that name. Are there any features of the course that you would point to as hallmarks of MacKenzie's work?
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Allestree Park in Derby which is now closed its a Harry Colt course prob 15 of his holes were in play recently.
I've been providing advice to the campaign to save Allestree. The evidence is that John Morrison was mainly responsible for the design.
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There must be a few of the Ayrshire ones too? Troon Darley?
I have played Troon Lochgreen and there is also a third shorter course out of the trio that starts and finishes from a now revamped clubhouse. Troon Darley has work going on there currently by Kimber Glen
The 3 courses are Lochgreen which is the one that got used for Open Qualifiers primarily for its length; the Darley which is the most interesting terrain of the 3; and the Fullarton which is something like a par 62 or something. All 3 were originally laid out by Fernie.
Down in Ayr there are the Belleisle course and the Seafield course which are both Braid. Only played Belleisle and that was a number of years ago but I recall I really enjoyed it.
All of the above are really popular from what I understand.
Niall
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Birmingham City courses (excluding children's courses) include
Lickey Hills...not a bad course in summer
Pyle Hayes
Hatchford Brook
Hilltop...closed for redevelopment as a new golf facility...I think it will go to 9 holes etc
Check JH Taylor designs...he was big into munis.
Check a charity called My Time Active..I think they manage some munis.
Ciao
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Allestree Park in Derby which is now closed its a Harry Colt course prob 15 of his holes were in play recently.
I've been providing advice to the campaign to save Allestree. The evidence is that John Morrison was mainly responsible for the design.
Hi Adam,
That's interesting to know other clubs have claimed to be a Colt course - I know Luffenham claims to be a Colt course however Paul Turner disputed that and claimed that its likely that John White did the works. Braid also made recommendations/changes.
Cheers
Ben
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Allestree Park in Derby which is now closed its a Harry Colt course prob 15 of his holes were in play recently.
I've been providing advice to the campaign to save Allestree. The evidence is that John Morrison was mainly responsible for the design.
Hi Adam,
That's interesting to know other clubs have claimed to be a Colt course - I know Luffenham claims to be a Colt course however Paul Turner disputed that and claimed that its likely that John White did the works. Braid also made recommendations/changes.
Cheers
Ben
Luffenham has a rather lovely drawing dated August 1910 and signed 'C.A.' From appearances it seems to be Hugh Alison's first provable design work.
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Allestree Park in Derby which is now closed its a Harry Colt course prob 15 of his holes were in play recently.
I've been providing advice to the campaign to save Allestree. The evidence is that John Morrison was mainly responsible for the design.
Hi Adam,
That's interesting to know other clubs have claimed to be a Colt course - I know Luffenham claims to be a Colt course however Paul Turner disputed that and claimed that its likely that John White did the works. Braid also made recommendations/changes.
Cheers
Ben
Luffenham has a rather lovely drawing dated August 1910 and signed 'C.A.' From appearances it seems to be Hugh Alison's first provable design work.
Could the C.A be Colt/Alison or Charles Hugh Alison? and yes I see it in the clubhouse. Its also in 'One hundred years on the Heath' by JP Simmonds a former solicitor and member he mentions the drawing credited to 'Charles Alison' question is whether John White was more involved in the project than either Colt or Alison
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Forgot to add Oadby Municipal as one of Leicester public courses - it used to be 18 with a number of holes within Leicester Racecourse and it closed down for a few years until someone took over a new lease renaming it Leicester Golf Centre creating a driving range and 9 holes of golf all outside the Racecourse.
https://leicestergolfcentre.co.uk/ (https://leicestergolfcentre.co.uk/)
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Good luck with this Duncan. Glad its working out for you and hope you don’t get webbed feet in next few months.
Adrian Stiff has a spreadsheet of GB&I courses – not sure if it identifies Municipals? Hope he see this.
There’s a heathland one on the other side of Sutton Coldfield Park. Played it a few years ago and noticed the holes furthest way from the house were interesting, the ones nearer much less so. I’m not surprised it was once a 9 holer.
https://www.boldmeregolfclub.co.uk/ (https://www.boldmeregolfclub.co.uk/)
Somewhere on the web. John Moreton has written about Municipal Golf near Birmingham and from memory he stated that the area was in the forefront of this.
I’d also like to know more about Taylor and Hawtree’s work on promoting these courses, I’ve written on here before about Hainault Forrest GC which was the first in the London area. Within 10 years a second course was added.
I think the two courses in Richmond Park are also Municipals. There’s one on land “taken” from Fulwell Golf Club I think called Hampton Heath and was previously their ladies club.
Another fine one is Downshire near Bracknell. Which is another heathland.
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Rickmansworth Municipal is what used to be the third course of the Moor Park club (designed by Colt). It's very short but I bet it is interesting.
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Good luck with this Duncan. Glad its working out for you and hope you don’t get webbed feet in next few months.
Adrian Stiff has a spreadsheet of GB&I courses – not sure if it identifies Municipals? Hope he see this.
There’s a heathland one on the other side of Sutton Coldfield Park. Played it a few years ago and noticed the holes furthest way form the house were interesting the ones nearer much less so. I’m not surprised it was once a 9 holer.
https://www.boldmeregolfclub.co.uk/ (https://www.boldmeregolfclub.co.uk/)
Somewhere on the web. John Moreton has written about Municipal Golf near Birmingham and from memory he stated that the area was in the forefront of this.
I’d also like to know more about Taylor and Hawtree’s work on promoting these courses, I’ve written on here before about Hainault Forrest GC which was the first in the London area. Within 10 years a second course was added.
I think the two courses in Richmond Park are also Municipals. There’s one on land “taken” from Fulwell Golf Club I think called Hampton Heath and was previously their ladies club.
Another fine one is Downshire near Bracknell. Which is another heathland.
I think Bokdermere is on city land, but not a muni. There is a proper club there running things.
Ciao
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Tony
Birmingham might have been one of the early council's in England to build muni's but from memory I think Leeds was probably the earliest down south.
In terms of Taylor/Hawtree I don't know that they necessarily majored on muni's even though they did a few. From memory MacKenzie also did quite a lot around Leeds and obviously the infamous one in Aberdeen. He was also a great advocate of them.
Niall
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Tony
Birmingham might have been one of the early council's in England to build muni's but from memory I think Leeds was probably the earliest down south.
In terms of Taylor/Hawtree I don't know that they necessarily majored on muni's even though they did a few. From memory MacKenzie also did quite a lot around Leeds and obviously the infamous one in Aberdeen. He was also a great advocate of them.
Niall
According to some bloke called Cheslett….
“The courses MacKenzie designed as municipals were;[/size]Temple Newsam, Leeds (1 x 18 hole, 1 x 9 hole)Leeds Municipal (Roundhay Park) LeedsSheffield Municipal (Tinsley Park) SheffieldDouglas Municipal, Isle of Man Hazlehead Municipal, AberdeenStanley Park, BlackpoolIn addition, the MacKenzie designed private Timperley GC in Cheshire was later sold to the local Council and became Altrincham Municipal.”[/color]
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Full list of Colt munis:
Allestree Park, Derby
Southend Belfries
Brandhall, Oldbury, West Midlands -- private at first but was taken over by Sandwell Council at some point. Closed 2020.
Caird Park, Dundee
Great Salterns, Portsmouth
Maesdu, Llandudno
Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire -- originally the Ladies' Course of Moor Park, acquired by the council in 1937
Southport, Lancashire
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Is Carnoustie a muni? 🤔
Probably comes into the same category as the St A's Links Trust courses. Monifieth and Montrose I imagine are similar.
Niall
Just to confirm, all of Carnoustie, Monifieth and Montrose are indeed effectively municipal courses, but perhaps not in the spirit of this question. They all offer links tickets to the local community (which have a similar cost to club memberships) but without the need to join local clubs. The greens fee rate for the "main" course are quite expensive so not truly accessible in the same way.
As an aside, many of the communities along the Angus coast also have semi-formal courses that you can rock up and play for free. Montrose has one south of the real courses on the East Links and Arbroath has one as well. The Montrose one is 6 holes I think, and the longest hole is probably 70 yards or so; I know it well and would take my 3 year old there to knock a ball around. They aren't golf as we think of it, but I suspect have been around for a long time in a similar configuration.
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Duncan:
Congrats on the new job.
I have not heard of Altrincham, at least under that name. Are there any features of the course that you would point to as hallmarks of MacKenzie's work?
Tom,
In Dr MacKenzie’s day it was known as Timperley Golf Club and is listed in his well known advertisement under this name.
He appears to have completely remodelled the course in 1919-1921 with new greens and bunkering replacing the Victorian layout which had become rather outdated. Contemporary newspaper articles reference in particular the introduction of many “hummocks” and these are still very much in evidence around the greens and along several fairways.
A couple of holes have been lost in recent times for Health & Safety reasons including the old 18th which played as a par 3 directly over the entrance drive. This was replaced by diverting a par 5 hole to a new green on previously unused land and the introduction of a short hole to its original green. It actually works rather well.
Quite a few bunkers have been filled in over the years but I still count 67 in place. This is probably around 40 more than can be maintained properly on a very limited municipal budget! I have reluctantly come to the view that the playing experience would be improved considerably by replacing many poorly performing bunkers with more of the kind of grassy hummocks and hollows introduced by Dr Mac 100 years ago. Maintenance would then involve nothing more than the rough mower!
Timperley/Altrincham is one of the more interesting layouts in the Manchester area. In my new role I hope to be instrumental over the next five years or so in lifting its conditioning up to the level of the better private clubs locally.
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It looks like the plans to redevelop Stanley Park have been dropped for the time being at least….
https://www.blackpool.gov.uk/news/stanley-park-golf-course-development-update.aspx?date=15-11-2022 (https://www.blackpool.gov.uk/news/stanley-park-golf-course-development-update.aspx?date=15-11-2022)
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Interesting stuff and good news James.
Our new head greenkeeper (and my immediate boss) recently joined us from Stanley Park. It’s a good course and I hope it gets the necessary investment.
Somehow unfortunately, I doubt it…. ☹️