Both sides will need expert witnesses. It will be nice to see a rules dude get paid.
Both sides will need expert witnesses. It will be nice to see a rules dude get paid.
Won't make it that far.
As Eamon Lynch noted on Twitter this am, I can't wait for Golf Channel & Brandel's counsel to request(subpoena) the PGA Tour's private discipline file for Reed. Ultimately that could come public. Sounds like the plaintiff and his counsel haven't thought that far ahead.
Screw Reed and LIV
Making fun of Reed has become blood sport at LIV events. It was hilarious watching him get a patron kicked out after Reed hit a horrible chip and the guy asked him why he didn’t fluff the lie.I'm interested to see all the journalists that dubbed him Captain America report this.
We don’t know Reed yet we hate him. The courts are the best avenue to discover why. Who are Chamblee’s peers that will sit on a jury? I doubt if even Brandel could name 12.
Some of you have probably heard the story but if you have not it's just too good to not reference again.
Someone posed the question: What fellow tour pro would you be LEAST likely to assist if it appeared they were about to get into a physical altercation with someone at the bar.
Patrick Reed, #1 answer, followed by Bubba.
I've known guys with "Reed Face" my entire life. They learn how to fight young.
LIV sure has an awful lot of conditions and restrictions for alleged "independent contractors"....the irony in light of the primary lawsuit!
Zero surprise...
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-contract-specifics-wall-street-journal-report (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-contract-specifics-wall-street-journal-report)
LIV sure has an awful lot of conditions and restrictions for alleged "independent contractors"....the irony in light of the primary lawsuit!
Zero surprise...
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-contract-specifics-wall-street-journal-report (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-contract-specifics-wall-street-journal-report)
Really? There are only 8 events .. seems like an awesome deal for the players. Media rights .. well, they are essentially selling them, so no irony there. Simple cost / benefit analysis from players that they're choosing a better deal.
Until LIV gets a national broadcast TV contract they will be irrelevant. So far they have only received negative press and if the Saudi's are "sports washing" it is having the reverse effect and they will shut down the LIV sooner rather than later. :P
What I do not understand is that these pros who consider themselves to be "independent contractors" are now giving up the very thing they claim to be. They must play every LIV event, speak well of LIV, and play some Asian events. They are not very independent anymore.
The 54 Hole Tour has not attracted the best players. They have attracted greedy has-been players that no longer can win at the highest level.
The 54 Hole Tour has not attracted the best players. They have attracted greedy has-been players that no longer can win at the highest level.
The 54 Hole Tour has not attracted the best players. They have attracted greedy has-been players that no longer can win at the highest level.
Craig-I understand the animus toward the LIV and it’s players. That said I believe Johnson, Koepka, DeChambeau, and Reed all have the ability to win again at the highest level not to mention Smith if and when he goes. You may be correct regarding the rest of the players until you aren’t. In other words the jury is out.
Not to defend LIV, however I find their coverage way more enjoying to watch than the standard weekly PGAT broadcast.
Four or more times the frequency of golf shots shown than on the PGAT broadcasts. Good shots and bad ones. Commentators do not make excuses for bad shots. No long sequences of putting study, fairway walking, or yardage book reading. Far fewer puff pieces added as filler. Most satisfying is the absence of commercials every 5 minutes, but that will probably change if a broadcast network contract emerges.
Whatever the eventual outcome of the PGAT vs. LIV fight, as a golf fan I hope that the conflict causes PGAT and the networks to review and improve the broadcast product that they are offering. It’s all about entertainment.
There has to be something more too this or he is a complete idiot. His lawyer was bad mouthing LIV and anyone who would take their money on twitter earlier this year. Chamblee ,NBC and the Golf Channels lawyers will have a field day deposing Reeds college teammates, coaches, and people like Peter Kostis who will testify they have seen him cheat. This reputation will only get worse, if that’s possible.
Not to defend LIV, however I find their coverage way more enjoying to watch than the standard weekly PGAT broadcast.Of course - it's just self-produced and live streamed on YouTube, with no commercials at all. That's unlikely to last.
I found the 15 min. spent watching LIV play Pumpkin Ridge to be truly painful. All the gushing and raving about LIV made me ill - and I was a big Arlo White fan.Painful sounds about right.
Anyone who thinks GN is doing anything but trying to get revenge needs to read this Tom Boswell column (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1994/11/19/norman-golfing-for-greed-in-plans-for-world-tour/9a1e4fbf-87b6-4944-9f00-0b9414c9a28b)from 30 years ago.
Now it sounds like the players who didn't defect want a tour-within-a-tour (https://golf.com/news/report-tiger-woods-meeting-tour-within-tour/) for themselves...hmmm.
Now it sounds like the players who didn't defect want a tour-within-a-tour (https://golf.com/news/report-tiger-woods-meeting-tour-within-tour/) for themselves...hmmm.It sounds something like the latest iteration (and modern day version) of the 'Tournament Players Division' that came about in the late 60s, when the two biggest names of the day turned their backs on the PGA of America (the organization-framework that had made them stars in the first place), and on its legacy and decades of tradition, to lay the foundations for what became the PGA Tour -- and this mostly for one reason only, ie so they could make more money. During his comments in July at the Open, Tiger referenced those times-changes, but only to argue that they weren't at all analogous to the LIV situation, and were undertaken with much different goals in mind; but I'm not so sure. Granted, one key difference is that the Palmer-Nicklaus breakaway movement, unlike LIV, emerged out of and remained firmly 'in house', ie an American tour, run by Americans, for the benefit of Americans (and/or those who called America home.) I find it telling that Mr. Nicklaus himself has not been one of the outraged voices condemning LIV and the 'defectors'; people might say that's because he's old and compromised and irrelevant and a friend of Norman and Trump -- but I think it may be because he's honest and knows his history and has perspective and has no golf or TV career to build or book to sell. This 'tour within a tour' idea with select events and huge purses reminds me of our governments' decades long fight against the moral scourge of organized crime -- ie, it turns out we didn't actually have any problems with gambling or drugs after all, we just wanted to be profiting from them ourselves instead of having all that money going to swarthy looking men with foreign sounding names.
Niall.....I will say it again, the 54 hole tour does not have the best players. They have WELL KNOW NAMES, but NOT the best golfers.
These guys made their NAME on the PGA Tour and now they are turning their back on that tour to chase blood money. There's a name for people that forget how they got where they are in life.
Niall.....I will say it again, the 54 hole tour does not have the best players. They have WELL KNOW NAMES, but NOT the best golfers.
These guys made their NAME on the PGA Tour and now they are turning their back on that tour to chase blood money. There's a name for people that forget how they got where they are in life.
You are confused. Golfers make the tour and are the Tour. If there was no PGAT there would be and there are are other tours. Its not like the Tour is a league of rich owners who risk a ton of capital to own and operate a pro team. All the money generated by the Tour is from golfers. In truth, all the Tour personnel are very lucky to be earning a very good living off golfers.
Ciao
The 54 Hole Tour has not attracted the best players. They have attracted greedy has-been players that no longer can win at the highest level.
Honest question - do they give out OWGR points for the Tour Championship this week?Yes, but the players qualified to get there. They use the "real" leaderboard, which is a bit of a weird thing, since if you have a two-shot lead in the real tournament you would play the 18th hole differently than if you were trailing by one in the OWGR shadow leaderboard.
Thanks, by real leaderboard you mean the score it based on actual strokes taken through the four rounds, not the adapted system were they leader starts at -10, correct?Yes.
They don't show up for them now. One or two here and there… but we already know what the "bigger" elevated events are. I think there's a much greater chance of the Tour dying if they keep doing the same thing, not if they do something adjacent to what's being discussed.
If they do have 18 no cut events for the top 60 players, it seems like most of the other PGA events will slowly die.
Will Zal had to drop out of the TC. He comes in 30th and gets $500k. Does he get OWGR points for coming in 30th, despite not playing?Honest question - do they give out OWGR points for the Tour Championship this week?Yes, but the players qualified to get there. They use the "real" leaderboard, which is a bit of a weird thing, since if you have a two-shot lead in the real tournament you would play the 18th hole differently than if you were trailing by one in the OWGR shadow leaderboard.
If they do have 18 no cut events for the top 60 players, it seems like most of the other PGA events will slowly die. They'll basically all become alternate field events/glorified Korn Ferry tournaments, because none of the top 60 players are going to show up for them between those special events and the majors.
The money will dry up quickly for those other events, unless the whole model changes (which I guess has also been discussed).
The LIV players are going to drop like bricks in the World Rankings which means they won't be playing in the Majors unless they are a past champion. Looks like it would be 2024 at the earliest for OWR Points. Enjoy your money boys!
The LIV players are going to drop like bricks in the World Rankings which means they won't be playing in the Majors unless they are a past champion. Looks like it would be 2024 at the earliest for OWR Points. Enjoy your money boys!
The LIV players are going to drop like bricks in the World Rankings which means they won't be playing in the Majors unless they are a past champion. Looks like it would be 2024 at the earliest for OWR Points. Enjoy your money boys!
1. The Masters: Isnt this basically an "Invitational" tourney where the hosts can invite whomever they want?
2. The US Open: Can't the LIV guys just try to qualify locally/regionally for a spot?
3. The Open: same thing. LIVers can try to qualify.
4. The PGA - access denied, I get that...;-)
Hearing that the PGAT may opt to cede its "non-profit" status, I am guessing that a large part of the game's future will have private equity capital behind it.
Not sure if one or two PE giants will step in with a large foot print and commensurate financial commitment, or if these smaller events will see a combo of corporate and PE capital taking over.
Sports/Media is indeed a ripe "vertical" in PE's universe and has yet not included golf events.
I believe the Taylor Made deal was one of the mid-market "Deals of the Year" when KPS Partners sold it for a 7-8x Cash on cash return. Sure, that's equipment, but it may give investors optimism as the game is on a noticable growth curve coming out of COVID.
Hearing that the PGAT may opt to cede its "non-profit" status, I am guessing that a large part of the game's future will have private equity capital behind it.
Not sure if one or two PE giants will step in with a large foot print and commensurate financial commitment, or if these smaller events will see a combo of corporate and PE capital taking over.
Sports/Media is indeed a ripe "vertical" in PE's universe and has yet not included golf events.
I believe the Taylor Made deal was one of the mid-market "Deals of the Year" when KPS Partners sold it for a 7-8x Cash on cash return. Sure, that's equipment, but it may give investors optimism as the game is on a noticable growth curve coming out of COVID.
Ian
What would these investors be buying and what would the PGA Tour be selling ? When I was younger there used to be a saying which was no show without Punch. In other words without any players there is nothing to watch. That is what LIV have realised and the PGA Tour seems to have belatedly discovered given their eagerness to change their status in an attempt to presumably get the players under some sort of contract.
It will be interesting to see whether they are too late or indeed whether the investors you talk about don't simply look to deal with the players direct similar to LIV have done.
Niall
They don't show up for them now. One or two here and there… but we already know what the "bigger" elevated events are. I think there's a much greater chance of the Tour dying if they keep doing the same thing, not if they do something adjacent to what's being discussed.
Perhaps, but a bigger question that no one seems to have asked is, If the "top 60 players are playing in big-money, no-cut event as a tour-within-a-tour on the PGAT, how does someone who is, say 85th on the ranking move up into the top 60?
I had this question about the WGC events because they were supposed to do the same thing. Pay the top guys more without a cut to guarantee these supposed elite fields all the fans want to see. But if they had been successful, those 60 players would have made so much more money that their positions in the WGC events would have been virtually guaranteed...perhaps for several years.
Let's assume this new version is adopted, and two or three players soon are consistently finishing at the bottom of the "elite fields" meanwhile kids like Scheffler, or Zalatoris, or Cam Young are tearing up the regular tour, but thanks to the purse disparity the money they're winning still isn't enough to move them into the top 60.
Will fans still think the "elite" events are showcasing the best players?
Personally, one of the reasons I watch the little golf I do is to see some Cinderella story either happen, or come close to happening.
This is what I was getting at. It'll end up creating a ceiling where it's difficult for any new players to break in -- I'm sure there would be some mechanism, but it would almost certainly be limited to a very small number each year.
but this proposal would probably lead to great financial benefits for the current top players, while causing long-term financial harm for the next generation
Quotebut this proposal would probably lead to great financial benefits for the current top players, while causing long-term financial harm for the next generation
I'm not sure this is confirmed and I've heard rumors of a couple of reasons why this is not necessarily the case.
- LIV drawing some players away does already open opportunity for players to get into fields who wouldn't otherwise
- Proposals for Korn Ferry performance impacting tour status when they occur, not waiting til end of year
- Nothing about purses going down for events not included in this series (PGA Tour is drawing from an increase from their media rights deal)
I still think the key is creating a dynamic system that has some real consequences for failing to perform for the top 60 or whatever.
I still think the key is creating a dynamic system that has some real consequences for failing to perform for the top 60 or whatever.
I agree, but why would the current top players advocate for a system like that? It goes against their own personal interest. They're better off if they can essentially lock themselves in into tournaments where they will make money as long as they show up.
Sorry Edward, are you referring to the LIV guys or the PGA Tour guys ? ;D
I'm a bit surprised that there hasn't been any pointed comments regarding Tiger and Rory's part in these proposals, especially after all their cant about competition and the like. Especially Rory. Is he not meant to be on the board at the PGA Tour to look after ALL the players interests ? Given him and Tiger have supposedly been cooking this up for the last two years then his comments on others being hypocritical are themselves a bit hypocritical, are they not ?Today's announcement does seem to bring into question the sentiment about LIV players only chasing the money or playing in exhibition matches. The TGL is not what I was expecting from Rory or Tiger.
Niall
Today's announcement does seem to bring into question the sentiment about LIV players only chasing the money or playing in exhibition matches. The TGL is not what I was expecting from Rory or Tiger.
Will Zal had to drop out of the TC. He comes in 30th and gets $500k. Does he get OWGR points for coming in 30th, despite not playing?Honest question - do they give out OWGR points for the Tour Championship this week?Yes, but the players qualified to get there. They use the "real" leaderboard, which is a bit of a weird thing, since if you have a two-shot lead in the real tournament you would play the 18th hole differently than if you were trailing by one in the OWGR shadow leaderboard.
That's not what is being addressed by this move. What's being addressed is the main issue that led to LIV in the first place, which is that the stars - both the ones that went to LIV and the ones that stayed - want a bigger cut of the pie. It's pretty simple.
The size of the LIV fields is way down the list of grievances from what I've seen...
That's not what is being addressed by this move. What's being addressed is the main issue that led to LIV in the first place, which is that the stars - both the ones that went to LIV and the ones that stayed - want a bigger cut of the pie. It's pretty simple.
The size of the LIV fields is way down the list of grievances from what I've seen...
The Gary McCord 125-exempt tour worked for the PGA for a long time but eventually the more successful players felt that they are losing $$$ in order to support the bottom feeders of the tour who don't drive ratings or attendance. Had the leadership of the PGA recognized this issue as being a serious one earlier, they might have been able to head off the LIV and saved themselves a lot of grief. I don't know if there was anyone of sufficient clout and persuasiveness that could have convinced the players that while they may be riding high right now, it wouldn't take much for them to be residing at the bottom of the exempt list in short order and that the system should be maintained but the grievences should have been taken seriously.
That's not what is being addressed by this move. What's being addressed is the main issue that led to LIV in the first place, which is that the stars - both the ones that went to LIV and the ones that stayed - want a bigger cut of the pie. It's pretty simple.
The size of the LIV fields is way down the list of grievances from what I've seen...
So it all started by some snarky comments by Phil Mickelson, who hit the nail on its head by the slow but now obvious action to save the PGA from the LIV
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/evSDVwXENrE (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/evSDVwXENrE)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/evSDVwXENrE (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/evSDVwXENrE)
WOW BREAKING NEWS... PGA Tour puts its independent contractors under contract, disrupts non-profit cash flows and redefines merit system around USA pro golf... can't wait for all the clickbait to come,,
NOT
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/tiger-woods-rory-mcilroy-supeona-larry-klayman-civil-lawsuit-pga-tour-dp-world?itm_source=parsely-api (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/tiger-woods-rory-mcilroy-supeona-larry-klayman-civil-lawsuit-pga-tour-dp-world?itm_source=parsely-api)
https://www.golfchannel.com/news/sources-confirm-multiple-international-presidents-cup-team-members-among-those-headed-liv-golf (https://www.golfchannel.com/news/sources-confirm-multiple-international-presidents-cup-team-members-among-those-headed-liv-golf)
I really hope that if/when the Saudis fold their tent, their players aren’t just allowed back.
I find it interesting that Phil has crawled under a rock
I find it interesting that Phil has crawled under a rock
The fact that all his peers just got a raise speaks for itself.
I find it interesting that Phil has crawled under a rock
The fact that all his peers just got a raise speaks for itself.
Perhaps if Phil had just gone to the top tier players and got the PGA tour moving in this direction LIV wouldn’t exist. Except for his golf game was in severe decline and he probably wouldn’t have gotten any benefit.
How's this, everyone came out a winner on this whole thing. Phil was right on and he's been trashed.Phil was wrong about far more than he got right (what exactly did he get right, and why didn't he work to change things the way Tiger, Rory, etc. did?), and the LIV golf is even more restrictive than the PGA Tour. And just because the Saudi Investment fund has enough money to force the PGA Tour to make some changes doesn't mean "Phil was right." About what? Phil wanted the PGA Tour to give up media rights. Did that change? He was wrong about the amount of money they have on-hand, wrong about the percentage of revenue that they pay to their players, etc.
Phil was right in that the tour was keeping a huge cash reserve for themselvesNo. The Tour just signed the new media deal, so there was always going to be an influx of cash NOW, but not before now. The new media/TV rights deal is just starting to pay out.
When you think about it - why shouldn't the players get the majority of the say in how the tour is run? But they only have a minority position on the policy board - there are 5 independents, 4 players and one from the PGA of America.It's going to 5 and 5.
Phil was right in that the tour was keeping a huge cash reserve for themselves and that they could come up with some new ideas to maximize revenue, especially for the top players, but at the detriment of the guys outside of the top 50 or so.
When you think about it - why shouldn't the players get the majority of the say in how the tour is run? But they only have a minority position on the policy board - there are 5 independents, 4 players and one from the PGA of America. Is that the proper governance model?
Shipnuck goes through it here: https://firepitcollective.com/phil-was-right-phil-mickelson/ (https://firepitcollective.com/phil-was-right-phil-mickelson/)
I am not sure who appoints the independents but I don't think that it is the players. Probably the governance committee of the board, heavily influenced by Jay Monahan.Phil was right in that the tour was keeping a huge cash reserve for themselves and that they could come up with some new ideas to maximize revenue, especially for the top players, but at the detriment of the guys outside of the top 50 or so.
When you think about it - why shouldn't the players get the majority of the say in how the tour is run? But they only have a minority position on the policy board - there are 5 independents, 4 players and one from the PGA of America. Is that the proper governance model?
Shipnuck goes through it here: https://firepitcollective.com/phil-was-right-phil-mickelson/ (https://firepitcollective.com/phil-was-right-phil-mickelson/)
Keeping huge cash reserves for themselves? Who do you mean by themselves? The players are the tour. Who appoints the 5 independents?
Actually it’s going to 5 players
Let's do Tripp Davis a favor and watch this week. Nice opportunity to see an interesting course.I checked my TV listings and can't find the LIV anywhere? LOL
Won't miss a single guy who left this week and especially Smith and his ugly arse mullet. Is the Presidents Cup dead? Did LIV sabotage the PCup on purpose? They could have waited another month right? Cam Smith is a coward and a liar. :P
I am not sure who appoints the independents but I don't think that it is the players. Probably the governance committee of the board, heavily influenced by Jay Monahan.Phil was right in that the tour was keeping a huge cash reserve for themselves and that they could come up with some new ideas to maximize revenue, especially for the top players, but at the detriment of the guys outside of the top 50 or so.
When you think about it - why shouldn't the players get the majority of the say in how the tour is run? But they only have a minority position on the policy board - there are 5 independents, 4 players and one from the PGA of America. Is that the proper governance model?
Shipnuck goes through it here: https://firepitcollective.com/phil-was-right-phil-mickelson/ (https://firepitcollective.com/phil-was-right-phil-mickelson/)
Keeping huge cash reserves for themselves? Who do you mean by themselves? The players are the tour. Who appoints the 5 independents?
Actually it’s going to 5 players
Won't miss a single guy who left this week and especially Smith and his ugly arse mullet. Is the Presidents Cup dead? Did LIV sabotage the PCup on purpose? They could have waited another month right? Cam Smith is a coward and a liar. :PI think they have said they have to play four events to be eligible for the big team competition at the end or something. So that's why they did it now and not after the Presidents Cup, I think.
Let's do Tripp Davis a favor
Bill Coore's wife is Jewish. Can't imagine he's too thrilled to see his work being used by a genocidal Muslim regime this week..
Let's do Tripp Davis a favorBill Coore's wife is Jewish. Can't imagine he's too thrilled to see his work being used by a genocidal Muslim regime this week..
Please, it's a Tom Fazio course. More later, after listening to the Australian contingent I am finally understanding how all of this is just a small indicator of our decadent empire losing its grip on the world.
How interesting would a four teameventgrudge match every two or four years- Tour/DP Tour/ROW/LIV
Wayne Kozun, yes, there are 5 independent members of the Board and only 4 players. But I am told by people on the Board, that the Board always defers to the players on any issue that affects them. The independents' role is to provide business advice and consul only, and decisions are not made on a split-vote basis.I've heard that too, and again, it's going to 5 and 5 in January (with the next batch).
Make of this what you will, but someone on Twitter posted the tentative 2023 LIV schedule. In summary, 9 U.S. tournaments out of 14, plus one in Canada or Mexico. Dates and places:Not exactly what you'd picture from a group touting how "world-wide" they are.
Make of this what you will, but someone on Twitter posted the tentative 2023 LIV schedule. In summary, 9 U.S. tournaments out of 14, plus one in Canada or Mexico. Dates and places:Not exactly what you'd picture from a group touting how "world-wide" they are.
Make of this what you will, but someone on Twitter posted the tentative 2023 LIV schedule. In summary, 9 U.S. tournaments out of 14, plus one in Canada or Mexico. Dates and places:
Feb 3-5 Florida (vs. Pebble Beach)
Feb 24-26 California (vs. Honda)
My guess is that there two will be at Trump properties. Wonder what the rental fees are?
Obviously, guaranteed money is still the key--but home country seems to have some pull as well. I wonder if non-US boys don't grow up dreaming of playing the PGA Tour the way they do here?
The main draw of the PGA TOUR has never been the "competition" -- the main draw has been that it pays better, and nobody wanted to be excluded from that.It is interesting that tennis has a majority of its major tournaments outside of the US, and not just Grand Slam tournaments. But tennis is more global than golf, so there is likely more money to be held by having a truly global tour as there are enough fans to pay money to attend and provide media revenue. And you also have a global player base that likely prefers playing in different countries.
36% of events outside the US. At what percentage would you consider it “world-wide”? 45%, 65%, 100%?More than barely 1/3 for sure. 11/14 are in North America.
36% of events outside the US. At what percentage would you consider it “world-wide”? 45%, 65%, 100%?More than barely 1/3 for sure. 11/14 are in North America.
LIV has the same problem as the PGA Tour in that regard. If they have more international events, it won't be as attractive to the American players. If the majority of events are in the USA, it won't be as attractive to overseas players. The PGA Tour has tried to be more international and to promote events in China and South Korea and Japan, but a lot of the players don't want to go there, especially late in the year. I can relate . . .For sure.
Phil was right in that the tour was keeping a huge cash reserve for themselves and that they could come up with some new ideas to maximize revenue, especially for the top players, but at the detriment of the guys outside of the top 50 or so.
When you think about it - why shouldn't the players get the majority of the say in how the tour is run? But they only have a minority position on the policy board - there are 5 independents, 4 players and one from the PGA of America. Is that the proper governance model?
Shipnuck goes through it here: https://firepitcollective.com/phil-was-right-phil-mickelson/ (https://firepitcollective.com/phil-was-right-phil-mickelson/)
Keeping huge cash reserves for themselves? Who do you mean by themselves? The players are the tour. Who appoints the 5 independents?
Actually it’s going to 5 players
How can you hate on this leaderboard?
https://www.livgolf.com/ (https://www.livgolf.com/)
Did Phil ever serve or even run for the advisory board? Or did he just bitch from the outside rather than actually trying to change things?B.
Watched five minutes of Liv golf for the first time. It was awful. Every 15 seconds or so it was just another golf shot. No set up, no idea what club they are hitting, no idea what they need to do…Boring
I was happy and surprised to see the 4 Aces three peat. Pat Perez is making history.
Let's do Tripp Davis a favorBill Coore's wife is Jewish. Can't imagine he's too thrilled to see his work being used by a genocidal Muslim regime this week..
Please, it's a Tom Fazio course. More later, after listening to the Australian contingent I am finally understanding how all of this is just a small indicator of our decadent empire losing its grip on the world.
Play at the BMW PGA at Wentworth was suspended upon the death of the Queen. There will be no play Friday. The rest is undetermined. It's possible they finish the first round on Saturday and then play two more rounds to finish on Sunday. In other words, 54 holes.Did the Saudi's or Greg Norman kill the Queen to shorten the tournament? HMMM. ::)
Did the Saudi's or Greg Norman kill the Queen to shorten the tournament? HMMM. ::)
Royal Sydney turned down Greg Norman and the LIV.In the wake of this announcement, I am trying to get some clarity from NSWGC on same matter. Unfortunately current Club President appears to have a man-crush on Great White Fish Finger... hopefully common sense and decency will prevail.
Should Super Bowl LIV (KC v SF) join the fray against these exhibitionists?
Why not welcome the reigning Open Champion back to his home country?I'm sure some hard up club will fall victim to Saudi Govt. Employee Norman's blandishments.... On the topic of Open Champion Smith, I believe one of his reasons (other than money) for signing with LIV was so he could spend more time back in Australia "watching footy with his mates." The Rugby League and Aussie Rules playoffs are in full swing right now, yet Smith will be reporting for work in Chicago this week.
Appropriate a LIV sellout player didn't win a tournament on 9-11. Maybe a hurricane will hit Florida for the LIV tournament scheduled for comrade Trumpsky's course in October. :o
The "LIV Show" comes to Chicago this weekend at (controversial) Rich Harvest Farms.
Bunch of golf buddies were on a text exchange this week determining interest to go out there and check it out.
We all live in the city or north burbs and the venue is perhaps 50+ miles SW of us.
12 guys on the text chain and not one had any interest in going. Then again, we are all in the "dying demographic" that watches the PGA Tour.
So, I asked my 26 yo son if he wanted to go.
Nope.
Ken,
A share of one of those teams, which for the life of me I can't see having any value. LIV thinks they'll be worth $100 million each. That's their business plan.
Meanwhile, the north parking lot at Rich Harvest was full yesterday. Based on the size of the lot, I estimated about 8,000 on hand.
Looks like LIV is now going to buy airtime (instead of receiving a fee) on FX Sports to get exposure in main stream programming.
Can't say I'm surprised, even as Norman claimed just a few weeks ago they've had lots of interest. ;D
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34680944/report-liv-golf-nearing-deal-buy-air-broadcast-events-fox-sports (https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34680944/report-liv-golf-nearing-deal-buy-air-broadcast-events-fox-sports)
Hasn't teh LPGA been paying for tv coverage years???
FWIW I just saw that LIV attracted Cam Smith and Leishman by offering part ownership.
But a share of what, exactly?
An equity interest in a potential new venture; especially if one does not have to actually invest one's own out-of-pocket cash; has a huge financial upside with very little downside; as many VC's know.
Back in 2009-2010 the VC investment firm Elevation Partners (yep that guy - no not DJT, the Irish rock star) injected $210 million in a social media platform company called Facebook (Meta). Lots of folks snickered. 13 months later the investment was worth $1.05 Billion - a 5x in a little more than a year.
That's what can happen on the upside.
I’m not sure if true, but I was told many years ago when I was playing, much of the Australia tour TV was paid for by the tournaments?
I do not/can not remember the details, but was surprised coming from us tour that wa happening at some events.
Back when I was playing there, the course and tournaments were as good as anything in played here in the USA. I’ve always prayed that some huge sponsor would “discover” the tour down there and provide backing the country deserves
FWIW I just saw that LIV attracted Cam Smith and Leishman by offering part ownership.
But a share of what, exactly?An equity interest in a potential new venture; especially if one does not have to actually invest one's own out-of-pocket cash; has a huge financial upside with very little downside; as many VC's know.
Back in 2009-2010 the VC investment firm Elevation Partners (yep that guy - no not DJT, the Irish rock star) injected $210 million in a social media platform company called Facebook (Meta). Lots of folks snickered. 13 months later the investment was worth $1.05 Billion - a 5x in a little more than a year.
That's what can happen on the upside.
Of course it can, but my question was, "A share of what?"
A share of the cost of buying new players for LIV? A share of the cost of buying time on TV?
FB didn't look like much 13 years ago, but it was a functioning thing.
I actually am interested in what the players who got a "share" are being told they're getting. I suspect it's being part owner of a team, given that selling team sponsorships has come up several times in discussions, and Poulter did say he was wearing the logos because he was and owner.
I’m not sure if true, but I was told many years ago when I was playing, much of the Australia tour TV was paid for by the tournaments?
I do not/can not remember the details, but was surprised coming from us tour that wa happening at some events.
Back when I was playing there, the course and tournaments were as good as anything in played here in the USA. I’ve always prayed that some huge sponsor would “discover” the tour down there and provide backing the country deserves
Wonder why Norman didn't do it with LIV? He has the name and the backing.
I’m not sure if true, but I was told many years ago when I was playing, much of the Australia tour TV was paid for by the tournaments?
I do not/can not remember the details, but was surprised coming from us tour that wa happening at some events.
Back when I was playing there, the course and tournaments were as good as anything in played here in the USA. I’ve always prayed that some huge sponsor would “discover” the tour down there and provide backing the country deserves
Wonder why Norman didn't do it with LIV? He has the name and the backing.
Every day I'm more convinced that LIV Golf is a way for the Saudis to launder money to the Trumps... in return for what?
So the Saudis, OPEC and partners agreed to cut oil production to increase oil prices.
https://golf.com/news/judge-deals-liv-legal-blow-pga-tour-suit/ (https://golf.com/news/judge-deals-liv-legal-blow-pga-tour-suit/)
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