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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Richard Hetzel on July 04, 2022, 11:02:02 PM
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I am headed to North and South Dakota in a few weeks. Was wondering if anyone has any experience golfing in these states? I can't play everywhere (wife will kill me) I would like to so I have to pick and choose between a few courses.
Here is my tentative itinerary:
Links of Lawsonia (WI)
Hawktree or Painted Woods (ND) ??? Can probably only play one of these two
Links of North Dakota
Medicine Hole 9 (ND)
Bully Pulpit (ND)
Spearfish Canyon (SD)
Elkhorn Ridge or Golf Club Red Rock (SD)??? Can only play 1
I am also going to try and play Jeff Brauer's Bent Tree in Iowa as well.
I am not sure of I will ever get out to the Dakotas again, so I am hoping you guys can help me pick between the courses above.
Thanks!
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When I went with a friend a few years ago, Hawktree and Links of ND and Bully Pulpit had a combo package price to play all three! I think I have them all the same score on the Doak Scale, but I had higher expectations for Links of ND and felt disappointed, whereas the other two were low key pleasant surprises.
We also toured Red Rock which was built by a friend of mine - some good stuff there, but kind of limited by development around the course. I don’t know the other course you asked about so I can’t help w that choice.
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When I went with a friend a few years ago, Hawktree and Links of ND and Bully Pulpit had a combo package price to play all three! I think I have them all the same score on the Doak Scale, but I had higher expectations for Links of ND and felt disappointed, whereas the other two were low key pleasant surprises.
We also toured Red Rock which was built by a friend of mine - some good stuff there, but kind of limited by development around the course. I don’t know the other course you asked about so I can’t help w that choice.
Thanks Tom! The Medicine Hole 9 was a course Jim Engh designed on a shoestring budget IIRC. Or he did it very cheap for the locals there, and it's in the middle of nowhere. It's only 9 holes.
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Definitely play Hawktree over Painted Wood. Agree with Tom on Links of ND. Wasn’t worth the drive. Take a detour and add Minot CC instead.
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I haven't played Elkhorn, but drive by it regularly since I summer in Sturgis and don't see anything that makes me want to stop.
I have played Red Rock and Spearfish. The former is good, the later, not so much. Although they have made a few changes since I played it.
Personally, I'd expect you to be disappointed in Black Hills golf.
I play several times a week at the 9-hole Belle Fourche CC but don't have any delusions about it.
Arrowhead CC and Meadowbrook GC in Rapid are better than Spearfish IMHO.
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When does Landmand open? Its almost South Dakota
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Sutton Bay a smidge north of Pierre, SD?
If you are in the Rapid City area it is just a bit further to Hulett MT and Devils Tower GC (private) by Phelps-Atkinson. Have never played there, just read about it. I think Matt Ward was the only one to chime in, but no particulars.
Agree on Links of ND with gasoline costs, Bully Pulpit's reputation is built on about 3-4 photogenic holes.
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Agree on Links of ND with gasoline costs, Bully Pulpit's reputation is built on about 3-4 photogenic holes.
They do hype those three holes that play up to the bluff and back down, they take a good photo but ruin the walk. I actually preferred the rest of the holes down in the valley.
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Sutton Bay a smidge north of Pierre, SD?
If you are in the Rapid City area it is just a bit further to Hulett MT and Devils Tower GC (private) by Phelps-Atkinson. Have never played there, just read about it. I think Matt Ward was the only one to chime in, but no particulars.
Agree on Links of ND with gasoline costs, Bully Pulpit's reputation is built on about 3-4 photogenic holes.
Our pro in Belle Fourche just went back to Devils Tower so I looked up what green fees were. Prospective members can get on for $200 Monday through Thursday and $250 on Friday through Sunday.
It is, however, said to be wonderfully conditioned.
It's about 100 miles from Rapid City, though.
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SD native here but have been gone for many years.
I enjoyed Hawktree, and Bully Pulpit was interesting, but the horseflies were almost unbearable when I was there.
As far as SD goes, Sutton Bay is the best experience but in the middle of the state and access can be difficult (not as good as before the original course slid into the lake, but still the best in SD). Red Rock is fun, especially if you are lucky enough to get Ron Farris (whom Tom mentioned above) to tee it up with you like I did. Meadowbrook is a good public course (actually municipal) in Rapid City that I think had a Women's Amateur Public links Championship years ago.
Sioux Falls probably overall has better golf than Rapid City but again the best couple are private.
Good luck!!
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Bully Pulpit's reputation is built on about 3-4 photogenic holes.
I agree with Tom that the three holes in the Badlands are the holes that stand out visually, but the par 3 plays a little goofy, and the holes down by the river are actually quite good, with a fair amount of width, and a couple good short par 4s. I like Links of ND too, but it might be because it's an hour from where my dad grew up, and it was the first course that "looked" like a Links course that I remember playing, even if it doesn't entirely play like one. I wasn't very GCA savvy back then (may still not be).
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When does Landmand open? Its almost South Dakota
Soft opening September 3.
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All great recs, thanks!
Landmand will have to wait for a bit. My kids are older now and the wife has been allowing me to travel a bit to golf, even alone and I am enjoying it. I still have not told my wife how much golf is being played on this trip, lol. A few mornings my plan is to tee off as early as possible and be back by the time she is up, dressed and ready to go.
I did check out the Devil's Tower GC, but it is cost prohibitive this trip, and I want to stay a few days at Streamsong Resort In December to play the Black and Red courses since I only played the Blue 2 weeks ago. Love that place and the hotel.
I'll play almost anything ONCE. North Dakota is pretty well set (Thanks for that 3 course deal idea Tom, I appreciate it!) South Dakota is where I am going to have to pick and choose my spots so as not to interfere with what she has planned.
Marketing photos of golf courses can be nothing like the course in real life.
RedRock looks like it is a residential course, and ELkhorn looks better but you can never tell until you get there!
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In my half asleep mode I read North and South KOREA. I was going to suggest cutting the north part of the trip!
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I'd say postpone your trip until the fall and spend your time chasing a different kind of birdie!! ;D ;)
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I'd say postpone your trip until the fall and spend your time chasing a different kind of birdie!! ;D ;)
Best advice yet on this thread!! While I dont want to denigrate my home state when it comes to golf, SD is the Pinehurst, Hilton Head, and Myrtle Beach of Pheasant hunting all wrapped up in one!! Opening weekend (3rd Sat of Oct) is a spectacle to behold!
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Agree on Links of ND with gasoline costs, Bully Pulpit's reputation is built on about 3-4 photogenic holes.
They do hype those three holes that play up to the bluff and back down, they take a good photo but ruin the walk. I actually preferred the rest of the holes down in the valley.
Concur. The cart path up to holes on the bluff even has a scenic turnout, and one of them led to the name of the course. But, there are fine holes in the valley.
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Agree on Links of ND with gasoline costs, Bully Pulpit's reputation is built on about 3-4 photogenic holes.
They do hype those three holes that play up to the bluff and back down, they take a good photo but ruin the walk. I actually preferred the rest of the holes down in the valley.
Concur. The cart path up to holes on the bluff even has a scenic turnout, and one of them led to the name of the course. But, there are fine holes in the valley.
Garland, I was hoping you would see this thread and chime in... Hope you are doing well.
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Go to Devils Tower. Not the country club, the national monument. It’s worth the drive.
As for the golf, I’ve only played Red Rock. It was fine, but not a must play, especially on a family focused trip.
There’s some cool stuff to do on the 5+ hour drive from Rapid City to Gothenburg, NE, where Wild Horse is located. But, that’s clearly not in the cards this trip.
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Lawsonia is an interesting starting point. Its ~12 hours to ND from there, but at least Fargo is on the way, so there's that!
But assuming he's driving from the ND courses south to Rapid City, its not much of a detour to perhaps have your own close encounter at Devils Tower ;D
P.S. My wife and I had a trip planned to visit the Rapid City area last fall, but COVID infected those plans...especially after the massive post-Sturgis spike.
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Lawsonia is an interesting starting point. Its ~12 hours to ND from there, but at least Fargo is on the way, so there's that!
But assuming he's driving from the ND courses south to Rapid City, its not much of a detour to perhaps have your own close encounter at Devils Tower ;D
P.S. My wife and I had a trip planned to visit the Rapid City area last fall, but COVID infected those plans...especially after the massive post-Sturgis spike.
When/if you rekindle that Rapid City visit, keep us posted. A warm spot in my heart for Rapid! As proud Alumni of SD School of Mines & Technology - Hardrockers, Garland Bayley and I can probably give some off the course recommendations on watering holes, etc. as well. Although probably most of our favorites might not be there anymore...
Richard away from the course, beyond the obvious things in the Black Hills (Mt. Rushmore, Badlands NP, Custer State Park, Etc.) make sure you drive the needles highway and get out and spend some time around the "needles eye" area. Watching one of those mega-bus drivers navigate the tunnel there is a sight in and of itself. Also if going out to the Badlands you should stop to see the Minuteman Missile National Historic Site visitors center. Go online and check WAY in advance about tickets to get to see the underground portion of that site. The times are very limited and I think get booked very early, (it used to be only in person sign up starting each day and the whole day would fill up very fast, I think they changed to online reservation system after Covid.) Its a cool tour.
Good luck, and ask any questions that come up. You can take the boy out of SD, but....
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Thanks for the advice Turboe...
We had those things on the docket (except that underground part) along with a pass thru Deadwood (loved the series), Wind Caves Park, Teddy R park, and perhaps the Crazy Horse memorial.
Weather wise, how soon does it start getting sketchy in that area. Would late September/early October still be generally doable?
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Thanks for the advice Turboe...
We had those things on the docket (except that underground part) along with a pass thru Deadwood (loved the series), Wind Caves Park, Teddy R park, and perhaps the Crazy Horse memorial.
Weather wise, how soon does it start getting sketchy in that area. Would late September/early October still be generally doable?
That should still be good. I usually use the 3rd Sat in October as a good barometer. I have been home for opening weekend probably 50% off and on over the years. And while it is normally warm enough I am shirt sleeves, some years it has been quite cold and windy, and on at least one occasion I can remember after a beautiful Saturday, it snowed 6-8" on Sunday. But that was out on the prairie (usually the Black Hills are a little more mild weather wise) and obviously a one off rarity.
Overall I think OK, but keep in mind they dont call SD "The land of infinite variety" for nothing. They say if you dont like the weather just wait one day!!
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Definitely play Hawktree over Painted Wood. Agree with Tom on Links of ND. Wasn’t worth the drive. Take a detour and add Minot CC instead.
It pains me, but I agree. I grew up in Washburn and first picked up a club at Painted Woods. Back then it was a 9 holer with all 9 in the valley. It was pretty rudimentary but had some fun holes and contributed to the golf character of the area where every little town had its own 9 hole course. You saw more jeans than golf pants by far.
The land always had the ability to host a better course, and there are some great holes, but I think the effort to pack in drama left a lot to be desired. The first green is very severe with basically a crowned green and a bowl baked into one. It sets the tone that the course is not what it used to be. One of the strangest routing choices I’ve ever seen is where you come back across the creek to play one of the original par 4 holes (not among he better) and then go back to the tee because the tee box for the next par 3 is on a bluff going perpendicular to the previous hole. That bluff was the most prominent feature on the original 9 and had a shortish par 4 with the green tucked behind it alps style. There are a couple stunners on the back amongst the new holes.
I don’t disagree with the idea of going to 18 and lengthening the course, but going from a pleasure walk to one of the more unwalkable courses I’ve played costs it character. It’s ok for the course to “grow up” but it felt like it lost its soul in the process. If you want that small town old school character play Square Butte near Center or Hazen. Depending on where you’re from, that may be a more memorable experience than playing a “better” course.
If you do Hawktree is great, but pretty severe and not a pleasant walk, either. Once in July the guy in the clubhouse thought I might be the first walker of the year.
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Richard,
I do hope your trip does not conflict with the Sturgis motorcycle rally, which runs Aug 9/14. Another must see sightsee is the Mammoth Site at Hot Springs, SD.
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Richard,
I do hope your trip does not conflict with the Sturgis motorcycle rally, which runs Aug 9/14. Another must see sightsee is the Mammoth Site at Hot Springs, SD.
Wow! Never heard of this before. Turns out the discovery was made the year after I graduated SDSM&T and while I was in the Peace Corps in Ethiopia
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Here are links to photos of a few of the courses mentioned above.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157657896233698/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157657896233698/) Red Rock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157655997320123/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157655997320123/) Spearfish Canyon
https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157655873435073/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157655873435073/) GC @ Devils Tower
If you are going to be near the Eastern Border of North Dakota, consider Dakota Winds in Hankinson ND. It is on the site of a Native American facility with a hotel and casino. It's a prairie links style course reminiscent of Wild Horse, Bayside and Buffalo Run style-wise, but nine of the holes are reversible. When I visited it played very firm and the wind was howling. They use very short flag sticks due to the wind. The front nine plays only one direction, but the back nine gets reversed in the nature of the Loop and the reversible holes are quite well done and very different depending on which way it is set up that day. Here are links to photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157699539233514/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157699539233514/) Dakota Winds Front 9
https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157672065239098/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157672065239098/) Dakota Winds Sisseton Back 9
https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157696806540432/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/sets/72157696806540432/) Dakota Winds Wahpeton Back 9
When you are near rapid City, take a ride on the Needles Highway. [size=78%]https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/albums/72157658174605436 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/albums/72157658174605436)[/size] Needles Highway Photos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/albums/72157657819248919 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/albums/72157657819248919) Devil's Tower Photos
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Go to Devils Tower. Not the country club, the national monument. It’s worth the drive.
As for the golf, I’ve only played Red Rock. It was fine, but not a must play, especially on a family focused trip.
There’s some cool stuff to do on the 5+ hour drive from Rapid City to Gothenburg, NE, where Wild Horse is located. But, that’s clearly not in the cards this trip.
Have already played Wildhorse, and I enjoyed it. We will, more than likely, check out Devil's Tower, but I have already been there on a previous trip.
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Richard,
I do hope your trip does not conflict with the Sturgis motorcycle rally, which runs Aug 9/14. Another must see sightsee is the Mammoth Site at Hot Springs, SD.
It does not. We will avoid Sturgis anyway, as I have already been there.
Thanks for the Dakota Winds tip, totally missed that one. might be able to squeeze that in on the drive from Minnepolis to Bismarck where we are staying.
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I am back from out West, and these are the courses that I was able to sneak in without my wife flipping out more than she did:
Links Lawsonia
Dakota Winds
Hawktree
Links of North Dakota
Bully Pulpit
Elkhorn Ridge
There are some new holes at Bully Pulpit and another that is being shaped and not grassed in yet. It's my understanding they were created to mitigate severe flooding in the Springtime. I thought that the Links of North Dakota was a "mess". I was not able to get in Medicine Hole due to weather. The amount of driving time in North Dakota was crazy, not sure I will ever get back there. I should have skipped the Links course and played Minot CC. I was only able to play Elkhorn Ridge in South Dakota and I enjoyed it. In fact, I really enjoyed the small town of Spearfish. I'll definitely get back to South Dakota. Hawktree was pretty awesome as well. Dakota Winds was a pleasant surprise and we literally had the course to ourselves. I'll post a few pics later today.
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Richard, since I live close to Elkhorn and never felt the urge to play it, I wondered how you felt about the mile-long trek from nine green to ten tee.
Seems a bit excessive.
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Richard, since I live close to Elkhorn and never felt the urge to play it, I wondered how you felt about the mile-long trek from nine green to ten tee.
Seems a bit excessive.
I only played the front nine as my wife made me go to Mt Rushmore. I actually liked it, shooting a 40 helped. If I am in a cart, I don't really care. I agree, it certainly is not an ideal walking golf course. The member I played with told me that the back nine was bettter FWIW.
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After playing Links of Lawsonia we stayed at the Dakota Magic Casino and played the Dakota Winds course. It was a very nice golf course, and great for walking. Nothing design-wise all that exciting, but just a solid course. Here are a few pics.
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Here are a few pics of Hawktree GC. I really liked this golf course quite a bit, other than the fact there were ten "fivesomes" playing ahead of me, lol.
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The Links of North Dakota, the course I wish I had skipped. I can't help but think that this is just unfarmed farmland where they get paid NOT to farm it by the government and then run it as a golf course and campground. Probably. Some nice views and a few nice holes, but I probably would have been better off playing Minot CC. Conditions were spotty, at best.
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Bully Pulpit was my last course played in North Dakota. It was decent enough, had a few cool holes, but really nothing exciting on most of the holes. There were a few NEW holes (replacing holes that get flooded each spring) and a new hole on 17 (I think) that was still being shaped and not grassed in (pic). Does anyone know who designed the new holes at Bully Pulpit?
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Unfortunately for me, Elkhorn Ridge was the only course that I was able to play in SD. I really enjoy South Dakota, so I'll be back again. North Dakota, probably not. The front 9 at Elkhorn Ridge is split by I-90 and plays up and down a ridge. A few weird holes, like number two which has a blind, uphill tee shot and then a forced carry over a ravine that could also be blind if you had a poor tee shot like me. I still made a par on that hole remarkably. Felt like a birdie. I liked most of the holes that I was able to play here. Anyone have pics of the back nine, which supposedly plays through a canyon?
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