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Nick Faldo retiring as an announcer for GC and CBS effective August 7. The Wyndham Championship will be his last event.
Nick Faldo Announces He Will Retire, End Broadcasting Career (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/nick-faldo-announces-he-will-retire-end-broadcasting-career/ar-AAYHDIl?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=061c91228d4b419b987c20560d99157e)
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Nick Faldo retiring as an announcer for GC and CBS effective August 7. The Wyndham Championship will be his last event.
Nick Faldo Announces He Will Retire, End Broadcasting Career (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/nick-faldo-announces-he-will-retire-end-broadcasting-career/ar-AAYHDIl?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=061c91228d4b419b987c20560d99157e)
Paging Hoover. Is your boy going LIV?
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From the linked article:
"In the letter, Faldo expressed his desire to cut back on travel associated with full-time broadcasting and to instead dedicate his time to “other opportunities and partnerships.” He specifically cited his intention to expand the growth of Faldo Design, which focuses on golf course design, and the Faldo Series, which provides opportunities for young competitive golfers."
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Announcing that he will go to the LIV now most likely would violate a moral clause in his contract. The horror.
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JK:
You're on a roll and have momentum this morning. I was thinking the same thing; 8 events a year for Sir Nick cuts down on his time away from the new ranch dramatically - he might even be getting a raise for working less.
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JK:
You're on a roll and have momentum this morning. I was thinking the same thing; 8 events a year for Sir Nick cuts down on his time away from the new ranch dramatically - he might even be getting a raise for working less.
Yeah, he should devote more of his time on golf course design in order to reduce his time away from home. ::)
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Did Faldo design any decent courses? He did one called The Rock, north of Toronto in the Muskoka region that was panned. It was not received well, other than winning a new course award, and was closed and redone within five years: https://canadiangolfer.com/2008/10/19/review-can-reworked-rock-be-resurrected/
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Did Faldo design any decent courses? He did one called The Rock, north of Toronto in the Muskoka region that was panned. It was not received well, other than winning a new course award, and was closed and redone within five years: https://canadiangolfer.com/2008/10/19/review-can-reworked-rock-be-resurrected/ (https://canadiangolfer.com/2008/10/19/review-can-reworked-rock-be-resurrected/)
He did a renovation of the Old course at Ballyliffin.
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I think he designed one in the Dominican Republic that has closed.
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I have played two of his designs:
Cottonwood Hills is (was?) outside Hutchison not too far from Prairie Dunes - I stayed over and played it after enjoying Prairie Dunes.
I found Cottonwood Hills very difficult - tight landing areas and forced carries that I could not handle. I could not find a website for them - only a Facebook page. Not sure it's still in operation?
From a review on GolfTexas.com:
"The Creeks at Beechwood is tighter than a camel's rear in a sandstorm.
Want a challenge? Do you like golf holes that are long and narrow? How about arriving at your ball in the middle of the fairway and there's a tree in your line to the green?
Will The Creeks frustrate you on your first visit? Was it David Feherty who said: "I feel like I was led into a circular room and told to go stand in the corner?"
It has since been reworked by Jay Morrish and is now an enjoyable course out by the Texas Motor Speedway - course was renamed "Golf Club at Champions Circle. Fairways widened substantially. Routing reversed and changed to make it more player friendly.
Those are my only experiences on courses designed by Sie Nick.
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So much for copying text!
Let's try this from word:
This quote is from GolfTexas.com:
The Creeks at Beechwood is tighter than a camel's rear in a sandstorm.
Want a challenge? Do you like golf holes that are long and narrow? How about arriving at your ball in the middle of the fairway and there's a tree in your line to the green?
Will The Creeks frustrate you on your first visit? Was it David Feherty who said: "I feel like I was led into a circular room and told to go stand in the corner?"
It's now been renamed Champions Circle out by the Texas Motor Speedway. Redesigned by Jay Morrish and is now very player friendly. Wider landing areas - open shots into greens - a nice place to play
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I think Chart Hills in Kent, England was on of the first Faldo designed courses in Britain:
https://charthills.co.uk
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I have played two of his designs:
Cottonwood Hills is (was?) outside Hutchison not too far from Prairie Dunes - I stayed over and played it after enjoying Prairie Dunes.
I found Cottonwood Hills very difficult - tight landing areas and forced carries that I could not handle. I could not find a website for them - only a Facebook page. Not sure it's still in operation?
From a review on GolfTexas.com:
"The Creeks at Beechwood is tighter than a camel's rear in a sandstorm.
Want a challenge? Do you like golf holes that are long and narrow? How about arriving at your ball in the middle of the fairway and there's a tree in your line to the green?
Will The Creeks frustrate you on your first visit? Was it David Feherty who said: "I feel like I was led into a circular room and told to go stand in the corner?"
It has since been reworked by Jay Morrish and is now an enjoyable course out by the Texas Motor Speedway - course was renamed "Golf Club at Champions Circle. Fairways widened substantially. Routing reversed and changed to make it more player friendly.
Those are my only experiences on courses designed by Sie Nick.
Cottonwood Hills in Hutchinson has opened and closed about 3 or 4 times now and it is currently closed, this time most likely for good.
The place was a complete botch job. I agree with your observations, Doug. Faldo and whoever he worked with/for had beautiful land for golf on which to work. It wasn't as good as Prairie Dunes which is about 5 miles down the road, but is was very good. They disregarded the prevailing winds and had too many long forced carries and blind shots over the gunch and the bunkering looked like it had been airlifted in from Florida. It didn't need to be a replica of PD but you could tell that that course and land was not studied very much by the builders.
It's too bad because there was the potential for another great course to be built on that land (that whole area of 10-10 sq. miles has wonderful golf land) but I doubt if anyone will try again in the foreseeable future.
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I think Chart Hills in Kent, England was on of the first Faldo designed courses in Britain:
https://charthills.co.uk (https://charthills.co.uk)
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A story - perhaps apocryphal - that so little had he been there he got lost on the way to the opening.
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I think Chart Hills in Kent, England was on of the first Faldo designed courses in Britain:
https://charthills.co.uk (https://charthills.co.uk)
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A story - perhaps apocryphal - that so little had he been there he got lost on the way to the opening.
Whether that one is true or not, I know for definite of two cases where the “designer” only visited their site twice, once for the obligatory pointing in to the distance / looking at a plan, site analysis photo-shot at project announcement… and the other on opening day when they mistook where the first hole was.
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Pioneers in the work from home movement.
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Got to say that I won't miss his TV commentary.
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So much for copying text!
Let's try this from word:
This quote is from GolfTexas.com:
The Creeks at Beechwood is tighter than a camel's rear in a sandstorm.
Want a challenge? Do you like golf holes that are long and narrow? How about arriving at your ball in the middle of the fairway and there's a tree in your line to the green?
Will The Creeks frustrate you on your first visit? Was it David Feherty who said: "I feel like I was led into a circular room and told to go stand in the corner?"
It's now been renamed Champions Circle out by the Texas Motor Speedway. Redesigned by Jay Morrish and is now very player friendly. Wider landing areas - open shots into greens - a nice place to play
Creeks at Beechwood was hard but it was a Norman.
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Wilderness Club in Montana
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I think Chart Hills in Kent, England was on of the first Faldo designed courses in Britain:
https://charthills.co.uk (https://charthills.co.uk)
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A story - perhaps apocryphal - that so little had he been there he got lost on the way to the opening.
Whether that one is true or not, I know for definite of two cases where the “designer” only visited their site twice, once for the obligatory pointing in to the distance / looking at a plan, site analysis photo-shot at project announcement… and the other on opening day when they mistook where the first hole was.
I still have Nick Edmund's Classic Golf Courses of Great Britain and Ireland - Chart Hills is mentioned in it and Steve Smyers was the co designer so it makes you wonder who did most of the work. https://www.stevesmyers.com/copy-of-philosophy
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I always respected Faldo as a player and as an announcer.
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I always respected Faldo as a player and as an announcer.
Did Faldo retire from competitive golf as near the top as anyone ever had? I can't recall watching him hack it around.
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JK:
You're on a roll and have momentum this morning. I was thinking the same thing; 8 events a year for Sir Nick cuts down on his time away from the new ranch dramatically - he might even be getting a raise for working less.
Yeah, he should devote more of his time on golf course design in order to reduce his time away from home. ::)
Tom, Thanks for this, it made me laugh out loud.
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Given how low most American golf announcers have set the bar...
I quite enjoyed listening to him, even if he messed up from time to time. And by my ear he never seemed to impose himself on the broadcast like a Johnny Miller or Jim Nantz...
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Given how low most American golf announcers have set the bar...
I quite enjoyed listening to him, even if he messed up from time to time. And by my ear he never seemed to impose himself on the broadcast like a Johnny Miller or Jim Nantz...
Yeah, I don't think he was a great announcer, but I'd certainly rather listen to him than Paul Azinger, who is completely insufferable.
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Give me Faldo any day over a Jim Nance or Azinger. He didn’t try to make himself the show and actually knows the game. And his swing rebuild has much more effect on todays game than anyone seems to ever say.
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Give me Faldo any day over a Jim Nance or Azinger. He didn’t try to make himself the show and actually knows the game. And his swing rebuild has much more effect on todays game than anyone seems to ever say.
Andy Johnson made the point that he's learned one thing — ever, I think — from Nick Faldo. And how did his swing rebuild "have more effect on today's game"? For his size, Faldo was a poofer.
Also, Jim Nance isn't a broadcaster. Or if he is, he's not a famous one, and he definitely doesn't broadcast the Masters. Jim Nantz, on the other hand…
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Give me Faldo any day over a Jim Nance or Azinger. He didn’t try to make himself the show and actually knows the game. And his swing rebuild has much more effect on todays game than anyone seems to ever say.
Andy Johnson made the point that he's learned one thing — ever, I think — from Nick Faldo. And how did his swing rebuild "have more effect on today's game"? For his size, Faldo was a poofer.
Also, Jim Nance isn't a broadcaster. Or if he is, he's not a famous one, and he definitely doesn't broadcast the Masters. Jim Nantz, on the other hand…
You took me back to middle school with that one. Thanks.
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Give me Faldo any day over a Jim Nance or Azinger. He didn’t try to make himself the show and actually knows the game. And his swing rebuild has much more effect on todays game than anyone seems to ever say.
Andy Johnson made the point that he's learned one thing — ever, I think — from Nick Faldo. And how did his swing rebuild "have more effect on today's game"? For his size, Faldo was a poofer.
Also, Jim Nance isn't a broadcaster. Or if he is, he's not a famous one, and he definitely doesn't broadcast the Masters. Jim Nantz, on the other hand…
What does Andy think of Faldo’s six Major’s? ???
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What does Andy think of Faldo’s six Major’s? ???
I don't know. Ask him. Then maybe explain to others here what winning majors guarantees about being a good broadcaster.
I don't want to speak for Andy but I think it's a fair and accurate summary to say that for someone WITH that experience (winning six majors), Andy would think Faldo would be a fountain of knowledge, and yet in all of his years Andy learned next to nothing from listening to Nick Faldo.
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What does Andy think of Faldo’s six Major’s? ???
I don't know. Ask him. Then maybe explain to others here what winning majors guarantees about being a good broadcaster.
I don't want to speak for Andy but I think it's a fair and accurate summary to say that for someone WITH that experience (winning six majors), Andy would think Faldo would be a fountain of knowledge, and yet in all of his years Andy learned next to nothing from listening to Nick Faldo.
You already did speak for Andy? What did he learn??
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Faldo is not hired to teach someone of Andy’s knowledge. Faldo talks to guys like me.
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Give me Faldo any day over a Jim Nance or Azinger. He didn’t try to make himself the show and actually knows the game. And his swing rebuild has much more effect on todays game than anyone seems to ever say.
Andy Johnson made the point that he's learned one thing — ever, I think — from Nick Faldo. And how did his swing rebuild "have more effect on today's game"? For his size, Faldo was a poofer.
Also, Jim Nance isn't a broadcaster. Or if he is, he's not a famous one, and he definitely doesn't broadcast the Masters. Jim Nantz, on the other hand…
Maybe Jim Nance is related to basketball players Larry Nance and Larry Nance, Jr.
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You already did speak for Andy? What did he learn??
No, I summarized what he said. If you want to know what he more fully thinks of Nick Faldo, ask him.
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What does Andy think of Faldo’s six Major’s? ???
I don't know. Ask him. Then maybe explain to others here what winning majors guarantees about being a good broadcaster.
I don't want to speak for Andy but I think it's a fair and accurate summary to say that for someone WITH that experience (winning six majors), Andy would think Faldo would be a fountain of knowledge, and yet in all of his years Andy learned next to nothing from listening to Nick Faldo.
I just want to know if you stand behind the above. It paints Andy in a very negative light. I want to see the kid get a fair shake.
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Since I can’t spell , I might as well ask the next question: Who is Andy Johnson?
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Since I can’t spell , I might as well ask the next question: Who is Andy Johnson?
He is The Fried Egg. He outwitted me once in person at my own club. I respect him for that.
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Since I can’t spell , I might as well ask the next question: Who is Andy Johnson?
More to the point who cares what he thinks of Nick Faldo?
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I went to school with a lot of people who never learned a thing.
never thought to blame it on the teachers... ;) ;D
I have always been a fan of Faldo's commentary and dry, often self deprecating wit and he wrote a very thoughtful and detailed instruction book.
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What does Andy think of Faldo’s six Major’s? ???
I don't know. Ask him. Then maybe explain to others here what winning majors guarantees about being a good broadcaster.
I don't want to speak for Andy but I think it's a fair and accurate summary to say that for someone WITH that experience (winning six majors), Andy would think Faldo would be a fountain of knowledge, and yet in all of his years Andy learned next to nothing from listening to Nick Faldo.
I just want to know if you stand behind the above. It paints Andy in a very negative light. I want to see the kid get a fair shake.
+1. I too would like to know.
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It paints Andy in a very negative light.
It does not. Andy said something like "Nick never shared any knowledge." If you want to take that as blaming the teacher, by all means, but that's not what I said (or Andy said). So, you can try to put words in my mouth, but just listen for yourselves if you want to hear what Andy had to say about Nick Faldo. It's not like it's some secret.
Andy aside and IMO, Faldo was not a good broadcaster. I appreciated the dry wit, but aside from that… it's a short list.
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Give me Faldo any day over a Jim Nance or Azinger. He didn’t try to make himself the show and actually knows the game. And his swing rebuild has much more effect on todays game than anyone seems to ever say.
Andy Johnson made the point that he's learned one thing — ever, I think — from Nick Faldo. And how did his swing rebuild "have more effect on today's game"? For his size, Faldo was a poofer.
Also, Jim Nance isn't a broadcaster. Or if he is, he's not a famous one, and he definitely doesn't broadcast the Masters. Jim Nantz, on the other hand…
What does Andy think of Faldo’s six Major’s? ???
Tim, being a “poofer” with 6 majors isn’t too bad is it? Hey Nick sorry your swing wasn’t very good, you were a “poofer”. There are guys here you should hang on every word. Others not so much…….
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Basically - and I may be alone here - I have no interest in learning anything from golf commentators.
I only have interest in them entertaining me, making me smile and enhancing the emotion of what I am watching.
Occasionally the entertainment comes from learning something about the game. But usually it comes from little stories and general excitement.
As a commentator, I found Faldo ok to listen to. That will do.
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Jim Nance was a fullback who played for the Patriots in the AFL. He was the league MVP in 1996. He came from a long line of Syracuse University running backs, and was also an NCAA heavyweight wresting champion. He might have been the Bo Jackson of his day.
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You either learn to run, fight or talk when your last name is Nancy. The dark bright side of bullying.
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Not everyone can be Renton Laidlaw. My goodness, what a charming broadcaster he was. He could get me up early on a Saturday morning to watch a 3rd rate Euro Tour event played at a resort-course in the Azores co-led by some guy from Holland in a J Lindeberg polo and Poland's top golfer and leading money winner. In comparison, Nick Faldo didn't have to try nearly as hard or be half as good, since he had the advantage of working on the world's greatest stage, covering the brightest stars of the PGA Tour from well designed tournament players courses in New Orleans.
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Since I can’t spell , I might as well ask the next question: Who is Andy Johnson?
More to the point who cares what he thinks of Nick Faldo?
I will second this. I like Andy's broadcasts and all, but why should I care about his opinion of Nick Faldo.
Maybe we should recruit Jim Nance...errrr Nantz to the birdhouse and see what he thinks! ;D If he made a post on here every morning saying "Welcome Friends" I think I might just appreciate that!
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Tim, being a “poofer” with 6 majors isn’t too bad is it? Hey Nick sorry your swing wasn’t very good, you were a “poofer”. There are guys here you should hang on every word. Others not so much…….
Poofer: https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.y1996.html
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Tim, being a “poofer” with 6 majors isn’t too bad is it? Hey Nick sorry your swing wasn’t very good, you were a “poofer”. There are guys here you should hang on every word. Others not so much…….
Poofer: https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.y1996.html (https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.y1996.html)
Erik, what was the point of that detour? He was short off the tee when he was 38/39 years old compared to the field that week? Thanks for the data. I'm sure Norman and Herron bring it up at parties.
Since this has nothing to do with GCA:
To the posters that made fun of the Nance/Nantz misspelling: not one of you mentioned that it should be SIR Nick Faldo. ;)
I admire him. He's my favorite golfer. A stoic robot in competition that transitioned into an insightful (and more personable) commentator.
One female caddie has won a major. One female caddie is in the HOF.
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Tim, being a “poofer” with 6 majors isn’t too bad is it? Hey Nick sorry your swing wasn’t very good, you were a “poofer”. There are guys here you should hang on every word. Others not so much…….
Poofer: https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.y1996.html (https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.y1996.html)
Erik, what was the point of that detour? He was short off the tee when he was 38/39 years old compared to the field that week? Thanks for the data. I'm sure Norman and Herron bring it up at parties.
Since this has nothing to do with GCA:
To the posters that made fun of the Nance/Nantz misspelling: not one of you mentioned that it should be SIR Nick Faldo. ;)
I admire him. He's my favorite golfer. A stoic robot in competition that transitioned into an insightful (and more personable) commentator.
One female caddie has won a major. One female caddie is in the HOF.
Never a fan when he was competing but his record says it all. Pretty sure the next thing you’ll hear is the weak fields he played against…..
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Erik, what was the point of that detour? He was short off the tee when he was 38/39 years old compared to the field that week? Thanks for the data. I'm sure Norman and Herron bring it up at parties.
The topic is Nick Faldo retiring as an announcer. So… there was no detour.
To the posters that made fun of the Nance/Nantz misspelling: not one of you mentioned that it should be SIR Nick Faldo. ;)
I'm not British. I don't recognize knights. :)
One female caddie has won a major. One female caddie is in the HOF.
Fanny didn't win a major. She carried the bag for the guy who won the major. ;) (See also: recent Billy Foster talk.)
Pretty sure the next thing you’ll hear is the weak fields he played against…..
Troll better, Rob. The fields when Nick played were stronger than when Jack played. Which were stronger than when Hogan played. Which were stronger than when Hagen played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4d-vQOnop0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4d-vQOnop0)
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Jim Nance was a fullback who played for the Patriots in the AFL. He was the league MVP in 1996. He came from a long line of Syracuse University running backs, and was also an NCAA heavyweight wresting champion. He might have been the Bo Jackson of his day.
1996?
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Browsing quickly I didn't see anyone mention Bella Collina northwest of Orlando. Pretty sure that is a Faldo design, although interestingly enough I didnt see a peep on their website. A very uninspired and unenjoyable course built around a private club facility that looks like a small Italian village. It was going to be super private and super high dollar. One of those places where they held a lottery for people to have the "privilege" of getting to buy a lot. I know the club went through some very tough times and I am not sure what the status is now, but I see stay and play packages.
I've played it a couple times because people I was traveling with wanted to. But I remember thinking I would not want to play it every day, and I certainly wouldn't spend the $$ they were originally thinking to be a member.