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Title: OT: NBC
Post by: Craig Sweet on June 16, 2022, 10:01:00 AM
Tuning in this morning and NBC's coverage is 90% players putting.  The Country Club is a beautiful and challenging course but viewers would never know that.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Erik J. Barzeski on June 16, 2022, 10:15:56 AM
Tuning in this morning and NBC's coverage is 90% players putting.  The Country Club is a beautiful and challenging course but viewers would never know that.
I'm watching on USA and I'm seeing a lot of tee shots, fairway shots, chipsÖ The last five shots, and they're focusing on Rory's approach to 1 right now.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Brad Lawrence on June 16, 2022, 10:41:53 AM
Iíve been making that complaint for years. Just cherish any moment they arenít talking about the LIV tour.


And this feels like the first U.S. Open in three years. No fans in 2020, and Torrey Pines stinks.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Paul Jones on June 16, 2022, 10:47:55 AM
I am watching the featured group at usopen.com - they are showing every shot for Jordan S, Adam S and Max H.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Carl Johnson on June 18, 2022, 08:54:19 PM
I've seen a variety of shots, not just putts, but for me the course doesn't show up well on TV.  I should say, some of the holes don't show up well. I don't know if that's just the nature of the course, or the camera angles, Drones? Are they using them?  In any case, I expect that NBC is trying to do a good job.  It's certainly a welcome change from the usual tour stops.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Ben Malach on June 18, 2022, 09:38:49 PM
Honestly, after watching the Women's open. I am shocked they didn't carry across the great drone shots and wonderful handheld shots. Also, the number of commercials was way more manageable.


Its interesting that the Women's open had the significantly better coverage. NBC needs to hire some better analysts as well. Hopefully they hire Geoff Shackelford to commentate, considering his history with the club and his knowlege of Thomas. 
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: JohnVDB on June 19, 2022, 08:35:48 AM
Honestly, after watching the Women's open. I am shocked they didn't carry across the great drone shots and wonderful handheld shots. Also, the number of commercials was way more manageable.


Its interesting that the Women's open had the significantly better coverage. NBC needs to hire some better analysts as well. Hopefully they hire Geoff Shackelford to commentate, considering his history with the club and his knowlege of Thomas.


There were no commercials during the Womenís Open or any other USGA championship other than the US Open.  There were occasional acknowledgments that it is presented commercial free thanks to Rolex and a few USGA Promos.


Rolex started funding this a few years ago, along with the funding of the publication of the Rules books that are provided free of charge.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Dave Doxey on June 19, 2022, 09:04:53 AM
Regardless of how one feels about LIV, their coverage of the first tournament was a refreshing change from the broadcasts provided by networks.   The coverage of golf shots had to be 3 or 4 times the number covered by networks.  Putting was not the majority.   One shot after another - no long periods of players pacing around, reading yardage books, or walking down the fairway.  No commercials, but I expect that will change.


Like LIV or not, the coverage was excellent.  No wonder that networks talk down LIV.  It is a threat to their model.  I hope that the competition forces networks to improve their product.  If they can do such a good job for the Masters, why not for all tournaments?
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Erik J. Barzeski on June 19, 2022, 09:48:43 AM
Like LIV or not, the coverage was excellent.  No wonder that networks talk down LIV.  It is a threat to their model.  I hope that the competition forces networks to improve their product.  If they can do such a good job for the Masters, why not for all tournaments?
LIV is not a true or fair competition as LIV doesn't have to maintain some sort of profitability.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on June 19, 2022, 09:51:00 AM
I decided a long time ago to try and enjoy what is being broadcast. unfortunately, some of the announcers just get on my nerves, so it doesn't always work.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: JohnVDB on June 19, 2022, 11:24:13 AM
Regardless of how one feels about LIV, their coverage of the first tournament was a refreshing change from the broadcasts provided by networks.   The coverage of golf shots had to be 3 or 4 times the number covered by networks.  Putting was not the majority.   One shot after another - no long periods of players pacing around, reading yardage books, or walking down the fairway.  No commercials, but I expect that will change.


Like LIV or not, the coverage was excellent.  No wonder that networks talk down LIV.  It is a threat to their model.  I hope that the competition forces networks to improve their product.  If they can do such a good job for the Masters, why not for all tournaments?


Wouldnít know.  Didnít watch.  Wonít watch.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: David_Tepper on June 19, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
Mike Whan responds to criticism of the NBC broadcast:

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/us-open-2022-usga-ceo-mike-whan-twitter-response-tv-coverage?utm_medium=email&utm_source=061922&utm_campaign=breakingnewspm&utm_content=DM28833&uuid=9861c6da148243648f1aa92679fb32a0
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Joe Hancock on June 19, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
The Masters is the premier viewing event in all of golf, as far as USA TV broadcasts go. They pick two sponsor and tell them how itís going to go.


The USGA seems to have signed every advertiser that wanted to be part of the broadcast, and has to oblige to the sponsors demands of when and how. I donít know this for fact, just going with a common sense analysis of the broadcast.


How no other tournament has unlocked the secret code to The Masters success is amazing.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: JohnVDB on June 19, 2022, 01:27:16 PM
The Masters is the premier viewing event in all of golf, as far as USA TV broadcasts go. They pick two sponsor and tell them how itís going to go.


The USGA seems to have signed every advertiser that wanted to be part of the broadcast, and has to oblige to the sponsors demands of when and how. I donít know this for fact, just going with a common sense analysis of the broadcast.


How no other tournament has unlocked the secret code to The Masters success is amazing.


The USGA doesnít have a say in who NBC gets to be a sponsor.


The Masters has figured it out because they have a year-to-year deal with CBS who will do whatever it takes to keep them happy.


The ISGA sold the rights to Fox for a huge payday.  Fox then got NBC to take the contract over at a huge loss to Fox. The USGA realizes that the US Open is the cash cow and canít put too many restrictions on it at the risk of losing the exposure of the other championships.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: John Kavanaugh on June 19, 2022, 01:37:08 PM
I thought the USGA did a great job providing me viewing options on portable devices. Equal enough to the Masters. Free. Feels like the PGA wanted me to subscribe to a failing cable network.

Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Carl Rogers on June 20, 2022, 07:32:55 PM
I have had turn the sound off.  Commentary just way to drippy.  We all have a non-golf off course story .... not relevant on the course.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: mike_beene on June 21, 2022, 12:14:34 AM
It seemed like the face on views of the golfers were too close. The grip would not be in the picture. Difficult to watch a swing when you canít see the hands.
And Azinger must be haunted by pressure; doesnít seem he enjoyed his playing days.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: A.G._Crockett on June 21, 2022, 07:48:38 AM
Iíve seen a ton of criticism of NBC, but Iíve got to say that Iím not really sure what for.  It just seemed like another golf telecast to me, no better and no worse.  Maybe the US Open is held to a higher standard?


Comparisons to The Masters arenít relevant; there isnít anything else in the wide, wide world of sports like that telecast.  Even if they had the money, and they probably donít, the USGA doesnít have the onions to make the rules that the green jackets do.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Jimmy Chandler on June 21, 2022, 09:32:04 AM

Iíve seen a ton of criticism of NBC, but Iíve got to say that Iím not really sure what for.  It just seemed like another golf telecast to me, no better and no worse.  Maybe the US Open is held to a higher standard?
1. It did seem to me there were more commercials interrupting the telecast than the other majors or even a typical PGA Tour event
2. More importantly: they missed key moments when happening live, such as showing the leaderboard having changed with Scheffler making birdie to take the lead as someone else was about to hit a shot. Why not show us Scheffler make birdie without the spoiler?
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Paul Jones on June 21, 2022, 09:54:13 AM
I did enjoy the last hour of the US Open being commercial free.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: JohnVDB on June 23, 2022, 12:48:37 PM

Iíve seen a ton of criticism of NBC, but Iíve got to say that Iím not really sure what for.  It just seemed like another golf telecast to me, no better and no worse.  Maybe the US Open is held to a higher standard?
1. It did seem to me there were more commercials interrupting the telecast than the other majors or even a typical PGA Tour event
2. More importantly: they missed key moments when happening live, such as showing the leaderboard having changed with Scheffler making birdie to take the lead as someone else was about to hit a shot. Why not show us Scheffler make birdie without the spoiler?


Mistakes happen.


Many years ago, I was chairman of the Scoring Committees for the 1997 US Womenís Open,  the USGA website was showing scores as was NBC.  NBC was always racing to be first to show updates before they got on the internet.


With live internet broadcasting today, that might be even more of an issue to them and possibly an overzealous employee clicked a button too early.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Tim Martin on June 23, 2022, 03:10:36 PM
The Masters is the premier viewing event in all of golf, as far as USA TV broadcasts go. They pick two sponsor and tell them how itís going to go.


The USGA seems to have signed every advertiser that wanted to be part of the broadcast, and has to oblige to the sponsors demands of when and how. I donít know this for fact, just going with a common sense analysis of the broadcast.


How no other tournament has unlocked the secret code to The Masters success is amazing.

The Masters has figured it out because they have a year-to-year deal with CBS who will do whatever it takes to keep them happy.


Say what you want about Faldo but Immelman is a significant downgrade and as bad or worse than Azinger on NBC.




Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Dan_Callahan on June 23, 2022, 04:51:47 PM
Either Faldo or Nance breathes way too close to the microphone. Never can tell which one it is, but it makes my skin crawl.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Erik J. Barzeski on June 23, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
Either Faldo or Nance breathes way too close to the microphone. Never can tell which one it is, but it makes my skin crawl.
Who is Jim Nance?
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Wayne_Kozun on June 24, 2022, 08:29:04 AM
Brother of Larry Nance and uncle of Larry Nance Jr?
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Matthew Rose on June 26, 2022, 12:08:31 AM
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as bad or worse than Azinger on NBC.

I don't think anyone on the planet is worse than Azinger.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: John Kavanaugh on June 26, 2022, 01:31:06 AM
Broadcasting is the most difficult easy job on the planet. Flop sweats are real.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Kalen Braley on June 26, 2022, 02:57:42 PM
John brings up an interesting question...

How plausible is to be a great golf broadcaster?  I liked Peter Aliss, but was he great?  I don't know, but i really loved listening to his broadcasts.  But outside of him, I can't think of even one other broadcaster I am eager to listen to, even I prefer some over others.  And my golf watching days started in the 90s, so don't really know the guys before then.

I'd like to think alot of it is the nature of how golf is played vs other sports,  I certainly enjoy Jim Nance a lot more in his NCAA basketball broadcasts.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Tim_Cronin on June 26, 2022, 03:16:21 PM
John brings up an interesting question...

How plausible is to be a great golf broadcaster?  I liked Peter Aliss, but was he great?  I don't know, but i really loved listening to his broadcasts.  But outside of him, I can't think of even one other broadcaster I am eager to listen to, even I prefer some over others.  And my golf watching days started in the 90s, so don't really know the guys before then.

I'd like to think alot of it is the nature of how golf is played vs other sports,  I certainly enjoy Jim Nance a lot more in his NCAA basketball broadcasts.


It's Nantz. Jim Nance, the old Boston Patriot, died June 17, 1992.


Sorry you missed the 70s and 80s, a golden era for golf television commentary in the U.S.


On ABC, there was Jim McKay, Dave Marr and Peter Alliss, with Jack Whitaker joining in 1982, when he moved over from CBS. Before ABC went to an announcer rotation by segment rather than stationing commentators behind greens, it also used Keith Jackson, Frank Gifford and Bud Palmer, with Bill Flemming on interviews and Bob Rosburg on the course, eventually joined by Judy Rankin and a host of others. ABC also invented the on-course wireless camera (at Medinah for the 1975 U.S. Open), which changed telecasts forever.


On CBS, there was Vin Scully, Ken Venturi, Ben Wright, Pat Summerall and Frank Glieber, the core of a team that eventually included Gary McCord. Clive Clark joined at the Masters, replacing Henry Longhurst at the 16th hole. Longhurst was the voice of BBC golf from the 1960s on and also worked the U.S. Open and PGA for ABC before his death. (Nantz replaced Clark on the 16th at Augusta in 1986, a well-timed debut.)


You couldn't go wrong with either group. NBC, without a major and sometimes without a clue then, had decent analysts in Bruce Devlin and later Lee Trevino, but never had a play-by-play commentator the equal of McKay, Scully or Summerall.

Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Kalen Braley on June 26, 2022, 03:31:49 PM
Hey Tim,

Thanks for posting those up, and I have heard of most of those names, although mostly associated with football broadcasts (I loved listening to Keith Jackson).  I do recall Ken Venturi and wasn't especially enamored, but perhaps he was already past his prime!

Ps.  The misspelling of Jim Nance will here forth continue, especially in light of the pedantic anal-ness associated with it.  ;)
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Cliff Hamm on June 26, 2022, 03:41:01 PM
Venturi had a most memorable line. To paraphrase,as a player is lining up a putt and plumb bobbing he commented Ď could never figure out what good that does except if you want to read True Temperí.
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Tim_Cronin on June 26, 2022, 04:48:38 PM
Hey Tim,

Thanks for posting those up, and I have heard of most of those names, although mostly associated with football broadcasts (I loved listening to Keith Jackson).  I do recall Ken Venturi and wasn't especially enamored, but perhaps he was already past his prime!

Ps.  The misspelling of Jim Nance will here forth continue, especially in light of the pedantic anal-ness associated with it.  ;)


There are a bunch of 1970s U.S. Opens on YouTube. You haven't lived until you hear Henry Longhurst throw it to Keith Jackson on the next hole, and vice versa. Whoa, Nellie!


I left out Bob Goalby as an NBC analyst. He was the least lively of the three. (If you go way back, Ray Scott did golf for both CBS and SNI, which did a lot of the summer tour in the 1960s, and worked with Bob Toski on SNI. Toski was a really good analyst.)
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Tim Martin on June 26, 2022, 04:58:56 PM
Venturi had a most memorable line. To paraphrase,as a player is lining up a putt and plumb bobbing he commented Ď could never figure out what good that does except if you want to read True Temperí.


In my experience most plumb bobbers just slow down the pace of play without any benefit in performance and usually added it to their routine after watching golf on TV.
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Post by: PPallotta on June 26, 2022, 05:20:52 PM
Venturi had a most memorable line. To paraphrase,as a player is lining up a putt and plumb bobbing he commented Ď could never figure out what good that does except if you want to read True Temperí.
When I hit a good drive and get to my ball and it's sitting up nicely in the middle of the fairway with maybe a 7 or 8 iron in, I enjoy providing my own commentary by putting on Ken Venturi's voice and saying "You could not have *placed it* out there any better than that, Pat".
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Daryl David on June 26, 2022, 05:25:11 PM
Venturi had a most memorable line. To paraphrase,as a player is lining up a putt and plumb bobbing he commented Ď could never figure out what good that does except if you want to read True Temperí.


In my experience most plumb bobbers just slow down the pace of play without any benefit in performance and usually added it to their routine after watching golf on TV.


At least plumb bobbing is faster than the aim point straddling.   ;D
Title: Re: OT: NBC
Post by: Kalen Braley on June 26, 2022, 05:26:52 PM
Venturi had a most memorable line. To paraphrase,as a player is lining up a putt and plumb bobbing he commented Ď could never figure out what good that does except if you want to read True Temperí.

In my experience most plumb bobbers just slow down the pace of play without any benefit in performance and usually added it to their routine after watching golf on TV.

At least plumb bobbing is faster than the aim point straddling.   ;D


And doesn't look as ridiculous.....  ;)

I plumb bobbed when i first started playing golf based on what i saw on TV, but gave it up after a few years after learning it was a worthless activity...