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Title: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: David Cronan on May 21, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
ESPN, often criticized and ridiculed for its coverage of professional golf, deserves props for today’s coverage. Thus far, we’ve been treated to viewing every shot of Shaun Norris, as well as some guy who has played 10 holes in +7.


This strategy in coverage has me excited to see how they cover NASCAR, when, say, Jimmy Johnson wrecks his car on lap 34 of Daytona, and we get to see him drink coffee and take a leak in the pits.


Or during the NFL playoffs, we get to see how the Detroit Lions spend their Sundays during late December and all of January.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: David Cronan on May 21, 2022, 01:12:33 PM
I don’t mean to spoil things,but the unnamed, aforementioned player is now only 22 strokes off the lead!!


It’s getting tense!!!!
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Will Lozier on May 21, 2022, 01:34:30 PM
You may perhaps be watching the coverage of the featured group...Woods and Norris?!



Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Kalen Braley on May 21, 2022, 01:37:41 PM
I don’t mean to spoil things,but the unnamed, aforementioned player is now only 22 strokes off the lead!!

It’s getting tense!!!!


Yea,

I'm not sure what's he trying to accomplish grinding to make cuts and then shooting +20 on the weekend cause he can barely walk...

Feels a bit like when Jordan came back to play for the Wizards...
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: David Cronan on May 21, 2022, 01:41:10 PM
You may perhaps be watching the coverage of the featured group...Woods and Norris?!


No, it was ESPN. Stunning, edge of the seat viewing.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: David Cronan on May 21, 2022, 01:51:11 PM
I don’t mean to spoil things,but the unnamed, aforementioned player is now only 22 strokes off the lead!!

It’s getting tense!!!!

I have zero problem with him playing. I just think it’s cutting-edge of ESPN to telecast every shot of his. I mean, if he can clean up his drives a little and his putter gets hot tomorrow,he could fire a 45 and be right back in this tournament.

Yea,

I'm not sure what's he trying to accomplish grinding to make cuts and then shooting +20 on the weekend cause he can barely walk...

Feels a bit like when Jordan came back to play for the Wizards...
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Peter Flory on May 21, 2022, 02:34:10 PM
I was laughing along until you mentioned the Lions.   >:(
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Rob Marshall on May 21, 2022, 02:52:30 PM
You may perhaps be watching the coverage of the featured group...Woods and Norris?!


No, it was ESPN. Stunning, edge of the seat viewing.




I enjoyed watching it. The greatest player of all time playing like a 15. He acted and ground it out like the greatest player of all time. Plenty of players would have quit after nine. He gutted it out. There is no quit in TW.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: David Cronan on May 21, 2022, 03:00:37 PM
You may perhaps be watching the coverage of the featured group...Woods and Norris?!


No, it was ESPN. Stunning, edge of the seat viewing.




I enjoyed watching it. The greatest player of all time playing like a 15. He acted and ground it out like the greatest player of all time. Plenty of players would have quit after nine. He gutted it out. There is no quit in TW.


Interesting take.


Can you tell me, in your opinion, who are the “plenty of players (that) would have quit after nine”?


I’ll hang up and listen to your answer. Thanks.

Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Brian_Ewen on May 21, 2022, 03:38:38 PM
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Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: James Brown on May 21, 2022, 03:44:23 PM
I’m glad Tiger is playing.   Yep, Tiger is playing poorly on a miserably hard scoring day.  But he did beat the number #1 ranked golfer in the world this week and he is 2 for 2 in making the cut in the first two majors.  And his presence at tournaments helps the tournaments and their charities and boosts TV ratings for golf.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Rob Marshall on May 21, 2022, 05:51:19 PM
You may perhaps be watching the coverage of the featured group...Woods and Norris?!


No, it was ESPN. Stunning, edge of the seat viewing.




I enjoyed watching it. The greatest player of all time playing like a 15. He acted and ground it out like the greatest player of all time. Plenty of players would have quit after nine. He gutted it out. There is no quit in TW.


Interesting take.


Can you tell me, in your opinion, who are the “plenty of players (that) would have quit after nine”?


I’ll hang up and listen to your answer. Thanks.


There aren’t many guys that would have even played with that leg let alone finished.


There is a long list of guys who have failed to finish a poor round……
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: jeffwarne on May 21, 2022, 06:27:40 PM
You may perhaps be watching the coverage of the featured group...Woods and Norris?!


No, it was ESPN. Stunning, edge of the seat viewing.




I enjoyed watching it. The greatest player of all time playing like a 15. He acted and ground it out like the greatest player of all time. Plenty of players would have quit after nine. He gutted it out. There is no quit in TW.


I totally agree with the last 4 lines.
 ;D ;D
There is no (legit 15) in the world who could shoot 79 on that course, in those conditions.
Ever
or 89
and on a one round bet I'd say 99
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Niall C on May 21, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
The greatest of all grinding it out ? What the hell is Jack doing out there at his age ?


Niall
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Rob Marshall on May 21, 2022, 07:56:17 PM
You may perhaps be watching the coverage of the featured group...Woods and Norris?!


No, it was ESPN. Stunning, edge of the seat viewing.




I enjoyed watching it. The greatest player of all time playing like a 15. He acted and ground it out like the greatest player of all time. Plenty of players would have quit after nine. He gutted it out. There is no quit in TW.


I totally agree with the last 4 lines.
 ;D ;D
There is no (legit 15) in the world who could shoot 79 on that course, in those conditions.
Ever
or 89
and on a one round bet I'd say 99


Got me there.


Jeff do you know Cameron Young? Any insight ?
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: jeffwarne on May 21, 2022, 08:08:48 PM
You may perhaps be watching the coverage of the featured group...Woods and Norris?!


No, it was ESPN. Stunning, edge of the seat viewing.




I enjoyed watching it. The greatest player of all time playing like a 15. He acted and ground it out like the greatest player of all time. Plenty of players would have quit after nine. He gutted it out. There is no quit in TW.


I totally agree with the last 4 lines.
 ;D ;D
There is no (legit 15) in the world who could shoot 79 on that course, in those conditions.
Ever
or 89
and on a one round bet I'd say 99


Got me there.


Jeff do you know Cameron Young? Any insight ?


I know his dad-
Director of Golf at Sleepy Hollow
great guy, good player.


He originally was at Sleepy Hollow before me,then was in Long Island where we met at an event, then returned as Head Pro at Sleepy probably 20 years ago or so.
I don't know Cameron-no insights other than one of the few who begins the clubhead down about the same time as his lower body starts down-then kills it. Usually lower body begins multiple frames earlier.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Rob Marshall on May 21, 2022, 11:19:35 PM
Interesting, I’ll watch for that tomorrow. That’s the knock on my swing but I don’t kill it >:(
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: John Blain on May 22, 2022, 09:48:20 AM
Interesting, I’ll watch for that tomorrow. That’s the knock on my swing but I don’t kill it >:(
Rob-
Cameron Young played in the NYS Am in 2015 @ Turning Stone. I remember him being a big strong kid with hockey legs who hit it a mile. I remember in the first two rounds he was paired with Gavin Hall and at the time Gavin was considered a better player but neither one played particularly well that week. Trevor Sluman won the tournament.
Hope things are well.
John
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: David Cronan on May 22, 2022, 11:16:52 AM
Interesting, I’ll watch for that tomorrow. That’s the knock on my swing but I don’t kill it >:(
Rob-
Cameron Young played in the NYS Am in 2015 @ Turning Stone. I remember him being a big strong kid with hockey legs who hit it a mile. I remember in the first two rounds he was paired with Gavin Hall and at the time Gavin was considered a better player but neither one played particularly well that week. Trevor Sluman won the tournament.
Hope things are well.
John


So much talent and poise. Hopefully we’ll get the privilege of seeing some of him and others today.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Rob Marshall on May 22, 2022, 12:27:48 PM
Interesting, I’ll watch for that tomorrow. That’s the knock on my swing but I don’t kill it >:(
Rob-
Cameron Young played in the NYS Am in 2015 @ Turning Stone. I remember him being a big strong kid with hockey legs who hit it a mile. I remember in the first two rounds he was paired with Gavin Hall and at the time Gavin was considered a better player but neither one played particularly well that week. Trevor Sluman won the tournament.
Hope things are well.
John




Hi John,
They mentioned that Scotty Scheffler beat Gavin Hall by 2 to win the conference championship at Southern Hills when they were both at Texas. No sure things in Golf.Gavin looked like a can’t miss. Last I heard before Covid Trevor was playing in China.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: David Cronan on May 22, 2022, 12:50:18 PM
Interesting, I’ll watch for that tomorrow. That’s the knock on my swing but I don’t kill it >:(
Rob-
Cameron Young played in the NYS Am in 2015 @ Turning Stone. I remember him being a big strong kid with hockey legs who hit it a mile. I remember in the first two rounds he was paired with Gavin Hall and at the time Gavin was considered a better player but neither one played particularly well that week. Trevor Sluman won the tournament.
Hope things are well.
John




Hi John,
They mentioned that Scotty Scheffler beat Gavin Hall by 2 to win the conference championship at Southern Hills when they were both at Texas. No sure things in Golf.Gavin looked like a can’t miss. Last I heard before Covid Trevor was playing in China.


Touché.


Sam Randolph was a contemporary of mine. 


She’s a fickle game and the mind is a very powerful thing.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Kalen Braley on May 22, 2022, 02:43:13 PM
Going back to Tiger,

I don't think anyone didn't want to see him play at Augusta, just to see if he could do it. But to my knowledge its a you either qualify or you don't situation, there is no waiting list, so he wasn't taking anyone's spot.

But given the PGA has alternates,  who knows if the next first time major player could have stepped up and done something like the current leader.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Bill Shamleffer on May 22, 2022, 03:40:59 PM
I was actually thinking yesterday that with the current state of his game and state of this physical abilities, watching Tiger now play shows off the golf architecture more than in his prime.  Tiger has to take advantage of everything the course has to offer to assist him in getting a good score on each hole, more than he ever has before.


Watching him play on Friday afternoon may have been the most interesting strategy golf by Tiger since I watched him on TV win at Hoylake.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Rob Marshall on May 22, 2022, 04:59:15 PM
Going back to Tiger,

I don't think anyone didn't want to see him play at Augusta, just to see if he could do it. But to my knowledge its a you either qualify or you don't situation, there is no waiting list, so he wasn't taking anyone's spot.

But given the PGA has alternates,  who knows if the next first time major player could have stepped up and done something like the current leader.


If you make the cut, are you really taking someone’s spot? I also don’t think that Tiger plays in any event he doesn’t think he can win.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: jeffwarne on May 22, 2022, 06:01:25 PM
Going back to Tiger,

I don't think anyone didn't want to see him play at Augusta, just to see if he could do it. But to my knowledge its a you either qualify or you don't situation, there is no waiting list, so he wasn't taking anyone's spot.

But given the PGA has alternates,  who knows if the next first time major player could have stepped up and done something like the current leader.


Tiger wasn't "taking anyone's spot"
If he had withdrawn, someone would've taken HIS spot.
Who would the PGA of America and the fans rather see play?
He made the cut, shot 69 on a hard course.
he's earned the right to get in his "reps' in majors, to prepare himself for future majors.
Baby steps-literally.


You think an alternate steps in and makes the cut?
(actually pretty sure one just did ;))
Then there's John Daly, who DID win as an alternate.... ;) ;D
Speaking of which, why have you not shone the lens on his freak show. Taking a cart AND a spot(by your definition)
If the PGA had any balls, they would deny his cart.
Talk about self inflicted.

Daly hasn't made a PGA cut in 10 years, and Tiger just made the cut-this year remember? Beating world #1 and DJ amongst others.




Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Kalen Braley on May 22, 2022, 07:14:03 PM
Going back to Tiger,

I don't think anyone didn't want to see him play at Augusta, just to see if he could do it. But to my knowledge its a you either qualify or you don't situation, there is no waiting list, so he wasn't taking anyone's spot.

But given the PGA has alternates,  who knows if the next first time major player could have stepped up and done something like the current leader.


Tiger wasn't "taking anyone's spot"
If he had withdrawn, someone would've taken HIS spot.
Who would the PGA of America and the fans rather see play?
He made the cut, shot 69 on a hard course.
he's earned the right to get in his "reps' in majors, to prepare himself for future majors.
Baby steps-literally.


You think an alternate steps in and makes the cut?
(actually pretty sure one just did ;) )
Then there's John Daly, who DID win as an alternate.... ;) ;D
Speaking of which, why have you not shone the lens on his freak show. Taking a cart AND a spot(by your definition)
If the PGA had any balls, they would deny his cart.
Talk about self inflicted.

Daly hasn't made a PGA cut in 10 years, and Tiger just made the cut-this year remember? Beating world #1 and DJ amongst others.


Jeff,

You nailed it.

JD has been a self-serving, attention getting, hooters hanging-out, freak show for over a decade now.  I expect that of him and best not to feed into his publicity grabs...I just didn't think Tiger was approaching that territory too.

If he wants or needs live tourney play to get in the swing of things, how about playing some of those 2nd tier events he's ignored most of his career to help drive ratings and ticket sales for them.

P.S.  After he proved he could do it again at ANGC, I figured TOC would be his next major, as he just may be able to competitively play 72 holes given its flat and relatively short.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: jeffwarne on May 22, 2022, 07:27:09 PM
Going back to Tiger,

I don't think anyone didn't want to see him play at Augusta, just to see if he could do it. But to my knowledge its a you either qualify or you don't situation, there is no waiting list, so he wasn't taking anyone's spot.

But given the PGA has alternates,  who knows if the next first time major player could have stepped up and done something like the current leader.


Tiger wasn't "taking anyone's spot"
If he had withdrawn, someone would've taken HIS spot.
Who would the PGA of America and the fans rather see play?
He made the cut, shot 69 on a hard course.
he's earned the right to get in his "reps' in majors, to prepare himself for future majors.
Baby steps-literally.


You think an alternate steps in and makes the cut?
(actually pretty sure one just did ;) )
Then there's John Daly, who DID win as an alternate.... ;) ;D
Speaking of which, why have you not shone the lens on his freak show. Taking a cart AND a spot(by your definition)
If the PGA had any balls, they would deny his cart.
Talk about self inflicted.

Daly hasn't made a PGA cut in 10 years, and Tiger just made the cut-this year remember? Beating world #1 and DJ amongst others.


Jeff,

If he wants or needs live tourney play to get in the swing of things, how about playing some of those 2nd tier events he's ignored most of his career to help drive ratings and ticket sales for them.

P.S.  After he proved he could do it again at ANGC, I figured TOC would be his next major, as he just may be able to competitively play 72 holes given its flat and relatively short.


But you can't just rock up to TOC without "reps", to see how your nervous system will react.
and for Tiger, those reps need to get his adrenaline going.
But I would like to see him play a non major as well.
I agree that TOC is the realistic goal, but the two major outings were positive steps along the way IMHO.
The body is an amazing thing and I'm sure very week the healing continues.
Time will tell, but don't count out the GOAT or the steps he believes he needs to take to come back into major form.



Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: David Cronan on May 23, 2022, 09:28:58 AM
Woods definitely belonged at this Championship and proved so by making the cut.


Call me naďve, but having won 15 majors, not sure I’m in a position to offer him any advice other than retire the white belts and pleated jeans.


To my original point, ESPN’s strategy of showing every shot of the last-placed player could almost be tolerable if they hired Paul McGinley and Colin Montgomerie to call the action.


Almost.
Title: Re: OT…..ESPN: A Bold Telecast
Post by: Erik J. Barzeski on May 30, 2022, 07:41:12 AM
To my original point, ESPN’s strategy of showing every shot of the last-placed player could almost be tolerable if they hired Paul McGinley and Colin Montgomerie to call the action.
I'm still pretty sure you were watching the Featured Groups coverage. ESPN had several channels, each showing different things, like we see at the Masters. Maybe regular coverage would show all of Tiger's shots, but they would cut away before showing all of Shaun Norris's shots.

Anyway, Tiger gets what he wants in golf, and deservedly so. "Taking a spot" is ludicrous. I'd sooner vote to get rid of the 20 PGA pros (and I wouldn't) than to say "Tiger, you're out."