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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Tony_Muldoon on December 26, 2021, 05:40:45 PM
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Summary.
NB I can't stress enough. We were lucky to get these times and they a much tighter than ideal. So please be on the tee ready to go at the times below and hustle is the key word.
Buda September 2022. Woodhall Spa and Seacroft
Sat 17th Woodhall Spa GC
Hotchkin Course 6 tee times 13.30 - 14.20 23 players
Dinner 7pm with food served at 8pm VERY tight! Petwood Hotel. Food has been paid for. 25 Dining.
Our guest is Richard Latham
Menu - any specific dietary requirements must be sorted in advance send me an IM at least 1 week before.
Ham hock terrine with homemade piccalilli
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Chicken breast pan fried, served with tomato and chive white wine butter sauce
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Syrup sponge pudding - hot pudding with custard
Sunday 18th
Bracken Course 4 Tee times 9.50 - 10.20 16 players, on very tight turnaround
Hotchkin Course 6 tee times 14.20 - 15.10 22 Players
Lunch is NOT included
Dinner. India Village Curry house next to club 8pm. How many Dining. Pay on the night.
Monday unfortunately cancelled for Queens Funeral.
Looking forward to catching up.
See Post 3 for list of attendees and how much to pay.
Saturday 17th.
We have the tee from 1.30pm on the world renowned Hotchkin Course at Woodhall Spa. It’s up to the Buda Captains to decide but either 4BBB or some form of Greensomes can be played.
We have upto 8 tee times or 32 players available.
The Hotchkin course at Woodhall is a World Top 100 course and the Club are extending the England rate to all visitors. Recently in receipt of restoration work by Tom Doak’s Renaissance crew. I’ve heard from several people the results are outstanding, which can only further enhance its reputation. The course will be in first rate condition as we are following two weeks of the English Men’s and Women’s Championship. Here’s Sean’s recently updated profile.
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,63059.0.html (https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,63059.0.html)
Saturday Dinner will be at the Hotel (see below) we will welcome Richard Latham the long time Secretary of the Club and he’ll provide us with a historical perspective as to its importance. Currently £45 for a 3 course Meal with Coffee and tip. Not inc. Wine. Hopefully this may be negotiated Downwards. Money will be collected with the balance in July.
Sunday
AM
Buda has traditionally been 5 rounds and from 9.50am we have 6 tee times, max 24 players on the Bracken Course. As we are following others there’s little point going for anything other than some form of 4 ball match play. Those playing in the morning will follow those only playing in the PM.
This also allows those who only want to play 18 a day to participate, though I would say all the courses are easy walks.
PM
Again we have upto 32 players in some variety of 4 ball play starting at 2.10pm.
Next day we switch to links
Monday
AM
We have the tee from 9.30 am at Seacroft GC. NB Please allow 1 hour for travel (ignore Google as you have to go through the centre of town on a Monday morning0. I would suggest we play a round of Foursomes (alternate Shot)?
Afternoon start times TBC - but this is the opportunity to play the traditional closing singles matchplay (albeit going out in 4’s). There is the option for some to only play in the PM. Due to available light anyone playing only 18 will go out first in the PM.
Price includes a sandwich Lunch.
I love Seacroft (this will be my 4th visit) and I’m excited to see the work by our own Clyde Johnson which is approx. 4/5 completed. This will hopefully see the course get the recognition it richly deserves.
Sean’s profile
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,55186.0.html (https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,55186.0.html)
Ran’s
https://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/england/seacroft1/ (https://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/england/seacroft1/)
Socialising / Hotel. Second Hotel added. Again attendees should book direct with hotels.
Much discussion last year was on how BUDA has become less social over the years. So this year we are introducing a nominated base Hotel. There are other options in town but the available rooms listed below should be claimed direct with the Hotel now. If we can confirm these rooms we have a core base.
Petwood House is 1000 yards from the course and has an excellent reputation and was the base for the Dam Busters pilots in WWW11. The Dinner will be there Saturday night and hopefully the Bar will be full Sunday night.
They do have very limited vacancies for both Saturday and Sunday and are currently holding the following rooms for us. (NB there are more spaces available at these rates for Friday and Saturday nights only)
3 NO Twin/Double rooms. Shared £124 per night
Single £87 per night.
5no Executive Rooms Shared £159 per night.
Single £122 per night.
Price includes Breakfast and VAT.
Cont Elaine+4401526352411 and Quote Muldoon for these rooms at this rate.
They are holding them for us for the next 10 days and please lets make sure we take these up.
Shoot me and IM/email and I’ll forward her email; you can cancel upto 24 hrs in advance as long as you provide details on the phone at time of booking.
Please indicate on the thread if you have a reservation at the Hotel.
We also have rooms reserved at The Golf Hotel. Again I’ve heard good things and its even closer to the Club! The hotel is officially closed to the 6th, but she invited people to contact her via email and she'll confirm on her return.
Contact Sandra Moore on recption@thegolf-hotel.com
Their offer is.
Reservation Number: BK44077/1
Arrival Date: 17th September 2022 Departure Date: 19th September 2022
Number of Nights: 2 Room Type: Twin Bedded Rooms x 12
Number of Guests: 2 Room Rate: 120.00 per twin room per night, Room for single occupancy £95.00 per room per night
Your rate is inclusive of Bed and Breakfast and VAT. Rooms are available from 3.00pm on the day of arrival and should be vacated by 11am on the morning of departure. The room is guaranteed for late arrival. The Hotel now operates a No Smoking Policy in all areas. Loss or non return of room key cards will result in a £2.50 charge. We acknowledge receipt of your payment of £0.00, please note all deposits taken are non refundable.
CANCELLATION POLICY - 72 hours prior to arrival. Should you not arrive, you will be charged for the entire
NB I have booked my Hotel [size=78%] the Saturday / Sunday night combo.[/size]
Covid
Both the Clubs are offering 100% refunds or a credit for future dates if the Rules prohibit playing/travel.
Deposits -
How to do this is in the next post.
Due to Woodhall being so popular we will need to collect deposits by the end of January in order to secure this booking. I will do a further update on this nearer the time.
Except in the case of Covid (see above) please consider these as non refundable. If your plans change then your deposit will either reside with the Clubs or will be used to buy those attending a Drink at the Dinner.
NB The balances will need to be paid in advance by the end of July 2021. If you send a deposit, please put this date in your Diary as I won’t be able to chase everyone and failure to pay the balance will result in a lost deposit (see above).
Unfortunately, due to the current situation both Clubs will only deal with me as a single point of contact. I’m not a business so I ask that you read this carefully and stick to the requested timings. Again ask any questions you need to for clarification.
Summary of costs below
For those who only want to attend part please indicate your interest. This year we’ve designed in a little flexibility but I do feel priority should be given to those playing all 5 rounds.
A note on travel to Lincolnshire
Woodhall is approx. 3hrs from Heathrow Airport and 2hours 40 from Manchester Airport. However September is Harvest time and the chance of getting stuck behind a tractor/combine harvester on the narrow local roads is very real and I can personally attest it will cost you extra travel time.
Due to the fact we’ll finish late Monday and Skegness is a bit remote I have made enquiries about a hotel to stay overnight in Skegness for the Monday night and will up date the thread. ASAP.
I’ll leave it to others to recommend places to play on the way or subsequently.
Timings
Saturday 17th September
Woodhall Spa Tee times from
Dinner Petwood Hotel 8pm.
Sunday 18th September
Woodhall Spa Bracken Course from 9.50am
Woodhall Spa Hotchkin course from 2.10pm
Monday 19th September
Seacroft Golf Course Skegness From 9.30 and tbc PM.
Costs and list of Participants.
NB Deposits needed by 31 01 2022
Balance needed by 31 07 2022
Woodhall Spa. 3 rounds
Hotchkin Course per round £135
Hotchkin and Bracken day rate £180
3 Course Dinner. Food and coffee only £40
Arrange drinks with your table on the night.
Seacroft
18 holes inc lunchtime sandwich. £55
36 holes inc lunchtime sandwich. £60
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How to pay
It seems like the Paypal “loophole” of sending money To Friends and relations as a gift FOC has passed.
There are 3 ways of getting the Monies to me.
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Those with a sterling account can pay directly into my bank - please email me at Spangles60@outlook.com and I’ll send you my account details (same as last year for those who used that method). I’m not happy putting it up on a discussion board.
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Thanks to Mike Whitaker for identifying the following Bank that charge smaller fees than usual for making a currency transfer.
https://wise.com/us/send-money/send-money-to-the-uk?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&matchtype=p&device=m&userlocation=9010601&keyword=send%20money%20to%20great%20britain&campaignid=14568981100&adgroupid=127104854299&utm_campaign=14568981100___127104854299&gclid=Cj0KCQiAieWOBhCYARIsANcOw0w91mNdnZBGMATkBdT5HR7C1dhVWRaMFOUYF1ZCkkXuYqRTGmJttB0aAmGcEALw_wcB (https://wise.com/us/send-money/send-money-to-the-uk?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&matchtype=p&device=m&userlocation=9010601&keyword=send%20money%20to%20great%20britain&campaignid=14568981100&adgroupid=127104854299&utm_campaign=14568981100___127104854299&gclid=Cj0KCQiAieWOBhCYARIsANcOw0w91mNdnZBGMATkBdT5HR7C1dhVWRaMFOUYF1ZCkkXuYqRTGmJttB0aAmGcEALw_wcB)
Again you will need my bank account details AA email me at Spangles60@outlook.
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Paypal. It seems like they are now adding a 5% charge for these transfers.
DO NOT USE THE ADDRESS POSTED ON HERE LAST YEAR ADDRESS to send Money – see below.
You still need to send it as a Gift to Friends and Family – not paying for goods and services - and they don’t make it that easy.
Here’s guidance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ_3UM5lEWo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ_3UM5lEWo)
The only Paypal address to use is this one (do not shorten it!) hstjet@googlemail.com
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Money now needed. Woodhall Spa is not a ‘normal’ Golf Club, if we don't pay them they release the tee times. Same goes for meal at Petwood - consider these bits 100% non refundable.
Ergo I need the balances due this month or I’m afraid you are out with your deposit forfeited; and as Diana Ross sang "and there ain't nothin' I can do about it"
Please check my figures. If you think I've got it wrong , email me and we can sort it. Details of how to pay in second post.
Please also send an email when you've sent money. Spangles60@outlook.com
Summary of costs
18 holes Sat £135
Cost of meal Sat £40 per head, Doesn't include drinks or tip.
36 holes Sunday £180 18 holes £135
36 holes Monday £65 18 holes £55
Beside your name is the amount I calculate that I now need from you THIS MONTH (July) and this is net of the deposits already received (shown in brackets).
Everyone below is playing 5 rounds except where noted.
Mayday Malone £370 (50) Paid
Jack Weiner £370 (50) Paid
Philip Gawith £390 (30) Paid
Tony Muldoon £390 (30) ;D
Mike Whitaker £390 (30) Paid
Jerry Kluger £390 (30) Paid
Steve Wilson £375 (30) One round a day. Dining a deux. Paid
John Mayhugh £390 (30) Paid
Enno Gerdes £390 (30) Paid
Bill Gayne [size=78%] £390 (30) Paid[/size]
Jason Topp £420 (0) Paid
Michael Graham £390 (30) Paid
Paul Graham £390 (30) Paid
Niall Carlton £375 (0) Paid
David McIntosh £390 (30) Paid
James Boon £345 (30) (Not Bracken) Paid
Ben Stephens £175 (0) Sat PM and meal only Paid
Lou Duran £390 (30) added Bracken Paid
Doug Wright £390 (30) Paid
Michael Christensen £420 (0) Paid All in
At time of writing the following are not playing the Bracken course - the Sunday AM round - but as people drop out then can be added in this order –
Mark Pearce £355 (20) Paid
Conrad Gamble £355 (20) Paid
Giles Payne £355 (20) Paid
Reserve(s)
Sadly had to withdraw
Eric Smith
Adam Utley
Jay Mickle
Bryan Izett
Wardo
Frank
Vaughan
Duncan
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My wife and I stayed at Petwood Hotel 2-3 years ago for our last phase of construction and it’s a good choice.
I have so many commitments in September next year that I don’t know if I can join you all, but I can heartily recommend the venues.
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Sounds terrific Tony, as always thanks to to hard work of the Buda committee.
Please count Paul and I in. We’ll get deposits to you as soon as they’re being collected.
Cheers,
Edit - Paul and I are booked in the Petwood in one of the twin rooms from Friday to Monday.
Michael
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Tony - Well done!
Please register Jerry Kluger and me for all five rounds.
Also, we will book one of the executive twins at Petwood. I’ll call the hotel and confirm with Elaine.
Looking forward to another great event.
Whit
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Not going to be there. Probably won’t ever be attending any more GCA events.
Have a great time.
F.
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I’m in, looking forward to it! Thanks for organizing Tony!
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Thanks Tony,
Its not easy organising these events at the best of times, but at the moment its even more difficult, so your hard work is appreciated.
This clashes with another of my regular golf events so I'm probably going to only be able to play Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning before heading off. Frustrating as I've only played Seacroft once and am keen to get back, but these things happen.
Despite restricted attendance, I'd very much like to be there for the golf and to see everyone, but if its easier for me to miss out this year due to partial attendance or numbers reaching the maximum then I can easily make way for others as I actually played Woodhall quite a few times this and last year and also stayed at the Petwood Hotel, so I know what a good time you will all have!
Cheers,
James
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Thanks for organising, Tony. I’ve only seen the Hotchkin 1/3 through its changes and Seacroft when it was 1/5 through and can’t wait to see the further changes. Please count me in for all 5 rounds. I’ll contact the hotel shortly.
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Thanks for organizing, Tony. I plan to attend.
Reaching out to hotel.
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Tony
Well done in organising. Please count me in. I'll contact the hotel to arrange my accommodation.
Niall
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Not going to be there. Probably won’t ever be attending any more GCA events.
Have a great time.
F.
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After being unable to make the past 2 BUDAs, I plan to make this one. Looking forward to further direction.
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Executive room booked at Petwood.
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It's all good news so far.
Rooms at Petwood going fast. I've approached The Golf Hotel for rates and will report ASAP.
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Hi Tony,
I will probably only make the Saturday event and meal as I am in a similar position to Boony.
Another course nearby that might be worth a visit is Sleaford GC which is on a sandy surface starts and finishes with a short par 4 - I have always enjoyed it as a hidden gem.
Lincoln - the old area and the cathedral are worth a visit if you are interested in history.
Happy to sort out an extra trip to Luffenham Heath (or even Rutland Water) its about 1 hr 15 mins away from Woodhall. Maybe the Friday before the event.
Cheers
Ben
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Appreciate all the effort made to set up this Buda.
Sign up Mayday and Jack Weiner.
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Please sign me up! My wife says we will discuss later but my batting average is good on such matters.
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Count me in, Tony, and Conrad and Giles, I expect. Great effort organising.
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The Golf Hotel (even closer to the course) are closed for next 10 days but have 12 rooms reserved for us. The Manager said she would pop in at some point and send me an email with the rates and how to book. More info as soon as I have it.
Unless someone has a negative reason I'm thinking of reserving space in the Curry House in Woodhall on Sunday night? If you know anything please get in touch.
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Greetings from Denver. As a newly retired person (as of today...) I am ready for my first BUDA appearance. Please count me in and I will contact the hotel.
Thanks and Happy New Year!
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Greetings from Denver. As a newly retired person (as of today...) I am ready for my first BUDA appearance. Please count me in and I will contact the hotel.
Thanks and Happy New Year!
Congrats Doug. Went to year end and hoppe you get to enjoy life as it was meant to be, a happy retirement.
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Confirmed 16th-18th at Petwood😀
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Email me at md1950malone@gmail.com to discuss other courses to play. Jack and I want to find a way to play some of the Southport/Liverpool links beauties we have had to postpone twice.
We are hoping that Philly to Manchester flights are brought back but if not courses around London become more likely.
We are open to any ideas.
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Thanks Spangles; great sounding choices. I am going ahead and booking even though I am waiting for a hip replacement; should be cleared to go by then unless yet another part gives out. I am ok with deposit as any forfeited funds go to a very good cause; free drinks for my friends.
Hopefully more Yanks will mean a more robust socializing this year
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Jason Topp and I are booked for 36 at Brancaster on Friday the 16th. Not sure where else we will play before/after, but this course can't be missed.
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John
I took that as perhaps an invite for others to join you but having been on the website I see it is either singles as a two ball or foursomes as a four. They don't allow three balls. They also don't publish the greenfee on the website. As a Scotsman I'm wary of signing up for anything without knowing the price !
Having said that, it is a course I'm keen to see so if there is anyone else looking to play on the Friday and wants to make up a 2-ball let me know.
Niall
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Niall,
That sounds like a good plan, I wouldn’t mind joining you on Friday!
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Good man Enno, I'll PM you.
Niall
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Niall,
Sorry, I thought everyone knew that Brancaster is a two ball club. ;D
Hopefully more of our group makes times that day. We could probably mix up partners after lunch if folks wanted to.
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John
Enno was first to contact me but there are others interested so if anyone else fancies a game perhaps they could post so we could see who is all interested ?
Niall
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John
Enno was first to contact me but there are others interested so if anyone else fancies a game perhaps they could post so we could see who is all interested ?
Niall
I'm booked at the Petwood. I'd be interested in joining for a Friday game. Thanks.
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I'm booked at the Petwood, but as I will be closing in on 75 and running out of unique costumes (I may have to consider exotic haberdashery) I suspect I'll be limiting myself to one round per day. That being said, as the time nears, I might be looking for some other courses in the area.
Seriously hoping that omicron turns out to be the just right variant that is easy to catch and easy to endure on the path to herd immunity.
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Great to see so many familiar names. I've added a second hotel, with rates, to the initial post. You will need to sort accommodation yourselves.
Trying to resolve payment issues, so more info on deposits ASAP.
It's looking increasingly like a Happy New Year.
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... As a Scotsman I'm wary of signing up for anything without knowing the price !
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I must have Scottish blood running through my veins.
;D
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Coming with Mickle - Count me in
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I have to say that some of the names being added to the list of participants are making me rethink my previous thoughts. Some pretty tasty GCA luminaries coming in there!
F.
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I have to say that some of the names being added to the list of participants are making me rethink my previous thoughts. Some pretty tasty GCA luminaries coming in there!
F.
Marty - yes, please come.
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Marty I must say I am rather indifferent whether or not you make as long as you send the inestimable Nancy.
I offer my escort services in advance
Wardo
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Marty I must say I am rather indifferent whether or not you make as long as you send the inestimable Nancy.
I offer my escort services in advance
Wardo
Ward get in the queue....
First 24 hats are now in the ring , but with a few opting for limited rounds, space remains.
Very pleasing to see a great mix of familiar and new.
More soon.
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Tony,
Please count me in. It's been 10 years since my last BUDA, which is far too long.
Just booked a room at the Petwood.
Thank you very much for organizing!
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Marty I must say I am rather indifferent whether or not you make as long as you send the inestimable Nancy.
I offer my escort services in advance
Wardo
As I recall,you were way too tired to follow through with any of your attempts at anything approaching the activities of a proper lothario. Good luck next time though!
Love,
F.
:-*
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PS La Nance is always more than delighted when other members of the fairer sex attend this horrendously over testosterone-fuelled hackfest.
Gentlemen, start your engines...
F.
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PPPPPPPPPS
We won't be requiring any accoms as the stupidly outrageous amount of money we've recently spent on the motorhome needs to be recouped somehow!
Eek,
F.
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Tony,
Thanks for organising - all sounds great to me. Please count me in too and I’m keen to play all 5 rounds, if there’s still space to do so.
Room booked at the Golf Hotel.
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David
Excellent stuff. We'll need to meet up for a game well before then.
Niall
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PPPPPPPPPS
We won't be requiring any accoms as the stupidly outrageous amount of money we've recently spent on the motorhome needs to be recouped somehow!
Eek,
F.
Plenty of caravan parks in Lincolnshire especially Skeggy for the 'Bonnarbago'
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Martin Dear Boy
Perhaps you are on to something with the testestarone assessment for you see I carefully chose my wording employing escort in my offer.
Alas lothario is a term from the distant past for this old eunuch.
BTW I may need to lobby Robin for more strokes this time around if my orthapaedic situation doesnt improve
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After my first, all-to-brief taste of Buda this year, I would love to have been able to attend but unfortunately already have something arranged for that weekend. If there’s space for a hanger on at Seacroft for the Monday, then it would be great to join you all there.
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David
Excellent stuff. We'll need to meet up for a game well before then.
Niall
Niall
That would be great…it’s been too long. Can get a game any time you fancy travelling to the East or fine to sort out a neutral venue if there’s somewhere else you wanted to see.
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Count me in for BUDA 2022.
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If there are still open spots, please count me in
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Great stuff.
Reminder the only pinch point is Sunday Morning and if James and Frank will accept they are currently reserves for that round only, we are fine. NB The Sunday AM round is likely now full.
The max we have so far is 30 on the Saturday PM. So two spaces remain for those who wish to play 4 rounds.
We can also cope with a couple more than that who whish to play Sun PM/Monday.
NB this often changes as players arrive carrying injuries and ask to play fewer rounds.
NB I've updated the interest shown on post two and if I've misunderstood the rounds you wish to play please let me know, but so far everyone is in and I'll try an keep this updated daily.
I will l have time on Monday to try and sort Paypal again.
Nearer the time I will book the village Curry House for the Sunday evening - unless someone who has experience of recently eating in the village has a better idea?
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Jack and I in for all rounds.
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Tony - bank details would be helpful for those of us with Sterling accounts who could send you a deposit directly.
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As an alternative to PayPal may I suggest WISE.COM.
I have used this “bank without borders” for a couple of years now and can recommend them highly.
They do not inflate the exchange rate and charge a tiny fee to transfer funds.
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Just an add on.
A couple of miles away from Seacroft GC is North Shore Golf Hotel. I know Colt looked at the land but the website says its Braid.
https://northshoregolf.co.uk/the-course/ (https://northshoregolf.co.uk/the-course/)
I don't personally know anyone who's played it, have heard mixed reports and that its about half & half links and parkland. Anyone with an opinion? Might be worth a checkout?
However it is very convenient(not that ever influenced Bud'ista's) their rates are
Diner, B&B and two rounds of Golf
Shared twin room £125pp
Single room £155
Double room solo £170.
Check with Elizabeth on Reception. If we can get 16 one is free! 01754 763298
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Just an add on.
A couple of miles away from Seacroft GC is North Shore Golf Hotel. I know Colt looked at the land but the website says its Braid.
https://northshoregolf.co.uk/the-course/ (https://northshoregolf.co.uk/the-course/)
I don't personally know anyone who's played it, have heard mixed reports and that its about half & half links and parkland. Anyone with an opinion? Might be worth a checkout?
However it is very convenient(not that ever influenced Bud'ista's) their rates are
Diner, B&B and two rounds of Golf
Shared twin room £125pp
Single room £155
Double room solo £170.
Check with Elizabeth on Reception. If we can get 16 one is free!
Having played a lot in South Lincolnshire in Scratch league matches and feedback from other golfers North Shore is ok (might be worth just playing the Braid holes if you can) however Sleaford is better as an additional course it is like an inland links and a hidden gem always enjoy playing there. Its was designed by Tom Williamson of Hollinwell fame.
Its a shame that Sandilands just north of Skegness is no longer I had one of my best ever round tee to green there it was a pity my putter had an off day as missed a lot of sitters and still shot 3 under gross.
To the guys who are heading off to Brancaster - try Sutton Bridge just off the A17 on the way to Woodhall its a 9 holer and quirky course. Hole 5 is one of the most iconic holes in Lincolnshire. http://www.club-noticeboard.co.uk/suttonbridge/thecourse.php (http://www.club-noticeboard.co.uk/suttonbridge/thecourse.php) the course used to be docks for boats
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To the guys who are heading off to Brancaster - try Sutton Bridge just off the A17 on the way to Woodhall its a 9 holer and quirky course. Hole 5 is one of the most iconic holes in Lincolnshire. http://www.club-noticeboard.co.uk/suttonbridge/thecourse.php (http://www.club-noticeboard.co.uk/suttonbridge/thecourse.php) the course used to be docks for boats
Definitely a curio and unique place. Even as a quick stop over - you won't believe it until you see it.
You will also pass this.
https://www.bubblecarmuseum.co.uk/
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See second post in thread on how to send a deposit.
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Tony,
Sorry to mess you around, but we’ve decided to definitely miss BUDA this year. Got a lot of other stuff on and we’re both pensioners now, don’t you know! ;D
Hopefully this can open up a couple of spaces for the waiting list.
Will catch up with you soon.
Cheers,
M’n’Nx
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:'(
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:'(
See you in Gullane/Ladybank?
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:'(
See you in Gullane/Ladybank?
Yes! Please! I’ll be there from June 1. Let’s find a spot on your diary.
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Tony - hopefully I paid the deposit. Let me know if you do not see it.
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Tony, thanks for organizing. I can't in good faith sign up as I still long to see Old Minch, Kingston and Painswick. Who knows, I might offer myself as a last minute sub if needed. 28 working days to retirement so things are a bit up in the air. Also, thanks for calling attention to Sutton Bridge. I don't see how any BUDA participant could pass it up. I was mesmerized by the fly-overs. This is right up Bogey's ally - I really dig its chili.
All the best,
Mike
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This is right up Bogey's ally - I really dig its chili.
So... you like your chili with an overabundance of side-salad?
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All the best to all who attend and also to the organisers. Alas September already has a few other commitments that preclude me from attending.
The Hotchkin course at Woodhall Spa is terrific. Great work by the guys and gals from Renaissance in opening it up, bringing old bunkers, features and angles back into play. The Petwood is very acceptable as well.
To those less familiar with Lincolnshire roads watch out for big tractors towing farm machinery and for the 90 degree bends with deep ditches on both sides.
Enjoy.
Atb
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This is right up Bogey's ally - I really dig its chili.
So... you like your chili with an overabundance of side-salad?
I like my trees with cheese.
Bogey
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Golf Hotel booked and deposit sent
Very much looking forward to playing in my first Buda
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I will update the list at the beginning but thank you to the following for a deposit.
Bank
Adam U
Mike W
Jerry K
Paypal
Steve W
Frank J
John M
Enno G
Jay Mickle
Bill Gayne
Good News
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Tony - I attempted to pay you through PayPal but am getting a message that you need to open an account and accept the payment. Let me know if you want me to try a different method and cancel this transaction.
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So if Buda in Holland was no 11 2013? This is the 21st Buda?
Anyone have a full list?
(OK shameless Bump ;) )
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This should be number 20:
Buda 1 (2003) Dornoch and Brora
Buda 2 (2004) Painswick
Buda 3 (2005) Littlestone and Deal
Buda 4 (2006) Hoylake and Wallasey
Buda 5 (2007) Allwoodley and Moortown
Buda 6 (2008) Lundin Links and Elie
Buda 7 (2009) Deal and Royal St George's
Buda 8 (2010) Pennard and Royal Porthcawl
Buda 9 (2011) Liphook and Hankley Common
Buda 10 (2012) Silloth-on-Solway
Buda 11 (2013) Noordwijk and Royal Hague
Buda 12 (2014) St. Enodoc and Perranporth
Buda 13 (2015) Notts and Sherwoodd Forest
Buda 14 (2016) Carne and Enniscrone
Buda 15 (2017) Rye and Littlestone
Buda 16 (2018) Brora and Golspie
Buda 17 (2019) Goswick and Dunstanburgh
Buda 18 (2020) Kington and Welshpool
Buda 19 (2021) Cavendish and Reddish Vale
Buda 20 (2022) Woodhall Spa and Seacroft
Quite the list!
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That is quite the list!!! Well done all. 👏
This will be my 17th Buda. Can’t believe it. 😳
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That is quite the list!!! Well done all. 👏
This will be my 17th Buda. Can’t believe it. 😳
One more than me. Is 17 the record?
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Welcome Paul, Graham, Bill, Niall and David.
Please keep them coming I have a tax bill to pay to send the clubs the money.
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21 deposits now in. :)
(Thanks Vaughan)
I have to get monies to the clubs this month so please don't delay. See 2nd and 3rd posts on thread for details.
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Welcome Paul, Graham, Bill, Niall and David.
Please keep them coming I have a tax bill to pay to send the clubs the money.
Sent.
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21 deposits now in. :)
(Thanks Vaughan)
I have to get monies to the clubs this month so please don't delay. See 2nd and 3rd posts on thread for details.
Excellent.
Let's go!
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Deposit sent to you Tony. Thanks!
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Deposit sent Tony!
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Welcome Doug, Lou, Duncan and Ben. 25 confirmed see third post. Still time to get a deposit in.
Here's a fine interview with Richard Latham from last November.
https://golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/feature-interview-with-richard-latham/ (https://golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/feature-interview-with-richard-latham/)
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Tony
Do we now have our final list of players ?
Niall
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Looking forward to BUDA. Is the whereabouts of the BUDA Cup Known and will we be drinking out of it come September?
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Yes we do know where the Cup is and this time I'm confident it will make the trip!
I am hopeful we will have a few more participants but Monday is the final cut off day.
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Yes we do know where the Cup is and this time I'm confident it will make the trip!
I am hopeful we will have a few more participants but Monday is the final cut off day.
Will it be updated?
Ciao
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Spangles
Paypal sent just now
BTW Witty thanks for dragging forward my notes on Buda 2010. Such a golf warrior back then.
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Spangles
Paypal sent just now
BTW Witty thanks for dragging forward my notes on Buda 2010. Such a golf warrior back then.
Yes with chequered flag trousers :)
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Good news we are all in. List will be kept upto date in post 3 but at time of writing.
we have 29 on Saturday for Golf and Dinner. we have 27 for the rest and possibly a few additions at Seacroft.
Some are missing out Sunday Am. If anyone below is not bothered about playing then, I'll bump the list, but I've given the 20 places to those who sent their deposits in earliest.
Likely to book The Curry House Sunday Evening - unless someone knows a better venue in Woodhall?
Finally there's a large no of folk to get round (twice!) and not the earliest of start times. We need two strong Captains to step forward - this is YOUR chance - we need to be organised before we get there.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the most fabulous athletes in the world today!
Mayday Malone
Jack Weiner
Philip Gawith
Tony Muldoon
Adam
Mike
Jerry
Steve W One round a day.
Frank
John
Enno
Jay
Bill Gayne
Eric
Jason
Michael
Paul
Niall
David
James B Sat PM Sunday AM only
Ben Sat PM only
Ward One round per day?
Vaughan
Lou At time of writing 07 Feb the following are not playing the Bracken course the Sunday AM round
Doug but if people drop out they can be added in this order ( As per dates deposits received)
Duncan
Mark
Conrad
Giles
NB Due to the odd nos playing and the fact we have tee times reserved it may be possible to add one or two more to part or all of event. If interested please IM Tony, stating which rounds you'd like to play (NB Sunday AM fully booked)
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Tony
The home team is being lead by Conrad. That was settled at Cavendish.
Niall
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Great news, I was going to suggest we should try and sort out Captains for the next one each time.
Does anyone want to try and sort out who the teams should be? In the past we've had North America, USA, ROW, Europe, GB&I and my favourite team... Winners! :D
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Count me in as 2 for dinners as Fionnuala is joining me for a 2+ week travel/golf trip around GB&I.
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Sign me up for two
I now have a bionic hip Tally Ho
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Sign me up for two for dinner as I will be accompanied by my international award winning photographer Pamela. She promises not to bring the camera and be intrusive.
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All good news. Tee times are secured. and we have another welcome returnee, Hello Bryan Izatt.
And we have a second Captain; from across the sea. Thank you Lou.
List correct at time of writing see post 3 for updates.
Confirmed attendees 9th February 2022
NB Sunday is now full. One or two more can join Sat and/or possibly Monday. IM me if interested.
Mayday Malone
Jack Weiner
Philip Gawith
Tony Muldoon
Adam
Mike
Jerry
Steve W One round a day. Dining a deux.
Frank
John
Enno
Jay Dining a deux.
Bill Gayne
Eric
Jason
Michael
Paul
Niall
David
James B Sat PM Sunday AM only
Ben Sat PM only
Vaughan
Lou At time of writing the following are not playing the Bracken course - the Sunday AM round -
Doug but if people drop out they can be added in this order ( As per dates deposits received)
Duncan
Ward
Mark
Conrad
Giles
Bryan Izatt
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Tony
Count me out of the Sunday night curry. I'll go elsewhere thanks.
Niall
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Tony
Count me out of the Sunday night curry. I'll go elsewhere thanks.
Niall
A Weegie who doesn’t like Curries. My mind is - still - boggled!
;)
F.
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Just showing consideration towards my playing partners on the Monday. ;)
Niall
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Sign me up for 2 dinners as well
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If any of you Pests want to join me at Sunningdale post Buda on September 21 send me a PM. I'll give you the booking details.
Bill
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How about getting in touch if the roster of attendees dwindles and spots open up?
Charles Lund
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BUMP
Sadly Eric Smith has had to withdraw from this years event. (Possibly means there's a room free at the Petwood Hotel?)
But see post 3 Balance required this month: July
Not long now....
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Sadly I am going to have to withdraw this year. I was very much looking forward to it but a training course I need to attend has been rescheduled and I shall now be away that weekend. :(
Adam
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Tony,
I sent you 385 GBP which I think covers everything. If not (or if you somehow receive less), let me know.
Thanks for doing this.
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Tony,
Thanks for contacting me about Buda #20.
I flew into LHR on British Air and connected to Dublin two weeks ago. My golf equipment did not arrive and was not found for two days. I ended up incurring about $800 USD in expenses as the result of not having golf clothing and equipment for an early golf outing where lodging was not refundable.
I have a claim for compensation I sent to British Air. They did locate and return my bag with equipment and clothing, but took almost two days to find it. I did have an enjoyable time playing golf. I fly home Tuesday and dread a similar luggage snafu. I'm not feeling very generous toward British Air, until they reimburse me for costs.
Everything I read tells me the chaos around major airports here will continue.
So please offer the spot to an alternate.
Charles Lund
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Sadly Eric Smith has had to withdraw from this years event. (Possibly means there's a room free at the Petwood Hotel?)
Yep, should be a room opened up with my cancellation. I hope you all have a great event, Tony.
Everything I read tells me the chaos around major airports here will continue.
The Atlanta airport parking situation (there isn't enough of it on or off site at the moment) caused an unbearable amount of stress on a recent trip to Europe. Won't be flying out of there again.
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Bumping this.
Thanks to those who've already sent money I will update soon.
For the rest of you please get a move on. This fascinating guy down the pub last night told me about making a short term investment in Twitter Shares and Bitcoin and there's a killing to be made this month. He's offered to help me do it, so send money quick...
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Michael Christensen is apparently joining the Buda in Eric's place and has asked me to post that he is "in for all activities".
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Michael Christensen is apparently joining the Buda in Eric's place and has asked me to post that he is "in for all activities".
Michael Christensen who played at Royal Musselburgh in my fist ever GCA outing God knows how many years ago? Great news!
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Thanks for balances paid from
Mayday, Jack, Mike, Jerry, John, Enno, Michael and Paul, Niall.
Post 3 updated - let me know if I've missed you.
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Tony,
So many issues preventing me from attending yet again. I will be vacating 3 nights at Petwood (16-18)[/size] [/size]I would like a BUDA participant to have first crack. Any one interested should contact me so as to arrange for transfer or cancellation and rebooking.
[/size]Hopefully next year.
[/size]Jay
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Jay
Sorry to hear you won't make it. Next time you're up north give me a shout and I'll see if we can rustle up some members of Clan GCA and have a game somewhere.
Niall
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Sad to lose Jay and now also Bryan.
Thanks for the payment and welcome aboard Michael Christensen.
Still less than half have paid up and month is 2/3rd gone.SEND MONEY NOW!
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Welcome Doug, Giles, Mark and Conrad.
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Welcome Doug, Giles, Mark and Conrad.
I’m coming after you, Conrad!!!
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Good to see that the RoW captain has signed up. I was worried he was going to do a "Henrick Stenson" on us ;D
Niall
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Good to see that the RoW captain has signed up. I was worried he was going to do a "Henrick Stenson" on us ;D
Niall
At the rate my mates are dropping out, I may only have two or three four-ball teams to field. But I'm hanging by the phone in case Commissioner Norman calls me me up from the minors after being rebuffed by JVDB. Having seen the value of my nest egg reduced by over 20% in this post-Trump prosperity with the remainder losing an additional 10%+ of its purchasing power, it is not greed I am going for, just a little bit of dignity in my old age.
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Welcome Bill, David and James,
Due to unavoidable drop outs there are at least two full spots if anyone wants to join us. All details in first 3 posts.
More are welcome.....but money needed now!
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Tony
I was really hoping to be able to join you just for a game at Seacroft on the Monday, but I’m afraid that isn’t now going to be possible.
Hope you all have a great weekend.
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Gents
Although this year's venue excited me very much and I appreciate the effort the committee took to secure same, I find I will be a cursed WD this year. Another surgery and some travel plans with family intercede. Sorry I forced Tony to chase that response too. Anyway bottoms up with my deposit and play well gents.
Far and Sure,Wardo
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Wardo we will toast (and Roast ;D ) you. Please come next year and good luck from all of us with the surgery.
Welcome Philip and Jason and more are sorting things out. Will be great to see the gang again.
Only 4 I haven't heard anything from? ??? Time is running out, if we don't pay for the spaces the club release them.
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Welcome Lou, Bill and Jason.
We have 23 confirmed and a possible 3 more to settle up (two I've yet to hear from?).
Places are still available until end of month. IM me if interested.
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Hey Lou.
Saw your post lamenting the shortage of players. Well, in the words of my late, great friend Steve Goddard, "I don't care if you don't want me, I'm yours." Well, for three rounds at least.
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Hey Lou.
Saw your post lamenting the shortage of players. Well, in the words of my late, great friend Steve Goddard, "I don't care if you don't want me, I'm yours." Well, for three rounds at least.
And Welcome Steve
To sort the teams out I thought this year we could name the Match, Rascals vs Scoundrels and let people choose to play for whichever team they feel most comfortable in?
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Hey Lou.
Saw your post lamenting the shortage of players. Well, in the words of my late, great friend Steve Goddard, "I don't care if you don't want me, I'm yours." Well, for three rounds at least.
Lament, that's what I do.
I'm still waiting by the phone just in case I get called up by Commissioner Norman.
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To sort the teams out I thought this year we could name the Match, Rascals vs Scoundrels and let people choose to play for whichever team they feel most comfortable in?
Who would want to be part of either of those teams ! Can I suggest instead that we have a Vanity-cappers v. Sandbaggers match. If we're going to have an argument on handicaps like we always do then we're as well making it interesting ;D
Niall
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Niall,
No arguments from me, only lamentations. I will stipulate at the outset that no matter what my index is on the first day of the Buda, I won't be able to play to it. So, I am good with joining the the Rascals or the Vain, though strategically, I should want to be in the same team with Giles and James B so I don't have to face them.
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To sort the teams out I thought this year we could name the Match, Rascals vs Scoundrels and let people choose to play for whichever team they feel most comfortable in?
Who would want to be part of either of those teams ! Can I suggest instead that we have a Vanity-cappers v. Sandbaggers match. If we're going to have an argument on handicaps like we always do then we're as well making it interesting ;D
Niall
Where can I get a bet on that match?
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The funny thing about that match is that if people self selected, the sandbaggers would be on the vanity team and the vanity handicaps might choose the opposite.
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Welcome Ben but sadly Frank can't join us.
Last chance to join, will be closing this years entry at the weekend.
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Do I read post 3 as suggesting that there are 3 slots open on the Bracken on the Sunday morning?
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Do I read post 3 as suggesting that there are 3 slots open on the Bracken on the Sunday morning?
Yes Mark. In fact there are (likely) 4 spare.
If you three want to take them up then just say and you're in.
One more anyone?
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Niall,
No arguments from me, only lamentations. I will stipulate at the outset that no matter what my index is on the first day of the Buda, I won't be able to play to it. So, I am good with joining the the Rascals or the Vain, though strategically, I should want to be in the same team with Giles and James B so I don't have to face them.
Lou,
I think Boony would be more than happy to be in the same team as you ;)
Cheers
Ben
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Do I read post 3 as suggesting that there are 3 slots open on the Bracken on the Sunday morning?
Yes Mark. In fact there are (likely) 4 spare.
If you three want to take them up then just say and you're in.
One more anyone?
I suspect that will be the case. Let me liaise with Giles and Conrad but pencil us in.
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It is with a very heavy heart that I must withdraw from this year's BUDA.
The (hypothetically) very profitable six-week full kitchen refurbishment project which I was due to start this week suddenly cancelled on me last Tuesday, leaving me without any work or income until my next job is due to commence in October. The wind was completely taken out of my sails.
A golf packed late summer now lies in tatters as I must tighten my belt several notches. My apologies to Tony and all concerned.
On a brighter note, in the spooky way that life plays tricks on us I am embarking on a complete late life career change. On Wednesday I spotted a Facebook post from a friend who has taken over the management of our local municipal golf course. He's short of staff in all areas of the operation. On a whim I sent him a message to which he responded in minutes.
Long story short I start work in mid August as a full time employee of the local council at a golf course redesigned after the Great War by Dr MacKenzie. It is my first proper job after 42 years of somewhat precarious self-employment. I will be trained up as a greenkeeper as well as having duties in the pro shop and on the driving range. I'm rather excited!
Sadly however, the drop in income and the long gap before my first pay packet necessitate cutting back on all extraneous expenditure over the next few months, and among other things BUDA must be sacrificed.
I hope everyone has a great time.
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Duncan
Sorry to hear you can't make it but delighted for you in your new role. Hope to hear more about it soon.
Niall
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Duncan
Sorry to hear you can't make it but delighted for you in your new role. Hope to hear more about it soon.
Niall
Thanks mate!
You will! It’s actually a really interesting course with many original MacKenzie features of the kind that most private clubs have eliminated in the name of “progress.”
I will be taking copious pics over the coming weeks and will post a tour.
I get free golf and range balls as part of my package so I expect to see my handicap tumble… 😉
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Sad to hear that Duncan, I've had to withdraw in the past because of outside commitments and it puts a spear through what has become the centrepiece of my golf year, so I know how bad it feels.
Hope to see you and 'the other half' at next years event.
Haven't heard from Vaughan so it looks like an easier to manage group of (max) 24 players. Will secure bookings this week.
Thanks to all for getting the money to me, particularly those form overseas. Despite all we read about the connected world, its amazing how difficult the international banking system remains in 2022!
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Would that be Royal Altrincham by any chance?
It is with a very heavy heart that I must withdraw from this year's BUDA.
The (hypothetically) very profitable six-week full kitchen refurbishment project which I was due to start this week suddenly cancelled on me last Tuesday, leaving me without any work or income until my next job is due to commence in October. The wind was completely taken out of my sails.
A golf packed late summer now lies in tatters as I must tighten my belt several notches. My apologies to Tony and all concerned.
On a brighter note, in the spooky way that life plays tricks on us I am embarking on a complete late life career change. On Wednesday I spotted a Facebook post from a friend who has taken over the management of our local municipal golf course. He's short of staff in all areas of the operation. On a whim I sent him a message to which he responded in minutes.
Long story short I start work in mid August as a full time employee of the local council at a golf course redesigned after the Great War by Dr MacKenzie. It is my first proper job after 42 years of somewhat precarious self-employment. I will be trained up as a greenkeeper as well as having duties in the pro shop and on the driving range. I'm rather excited!
Sadly however, the drop in income and the long gap before my first pay packet necessitate cutting back on all extraneous expenditure over the next few months, and among other things BUDA must be sacrificed.
I hope everyone has a great time.
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Tony,
So many issues preventing me from attending yet again. I will be vacating 3 nights at Petwood (16-18)I would like a BUDA participant to have first crack. Any one interested should contact me so as to arrange for transfer or cancellation and rebooking.
Hopefully next year.
Jay
Still available but I will cancel soon if no one wants the room.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52258334686_1db7035362_h.jpg)
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Tony,
So many issues preventing me from attending yet again. I will be vacating 3 nights at Petwood (16-18)I would like a BUDA participant to have first crack. Any one interested should contact me so as to arrange for transfer or cancellation and rebooking.
Hopefully next year.
Jay
Room released back to Petwood.
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Is anyone else beginning to get excited yet ?
Niall
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Is anyone else beginning to get excited yet ?
Niall
Actually, yes, in particular because this is my maiden BUDA appearance. To begin the inevitable excuse-making, and to inform whichever team captain I am assigned to, I'll be renting clubs due to the logistics of spending several days in London beforehand and to avoid the baggage chaos that seems pretty terrible this summer.
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Am I excited?
I arranged most of these courses in 2020!!!
We lost Birkdale but added Swinley and Hollinwell.
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We lost Birkdale but added Swinley and Hollinwell.
A huge upgrade in my book.
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Is anyone else beginning to get excited yet ?
Niall
Very excited, Neill! Both for Buda and the pre-Buda rounds at Mildenhall and Brancaster!
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I haven't left the US since 2019, so yes there is a fair bit of excitement.
Enno mentioned pre-Buda rounds at Mildenhall and Brancaster. Jason Topp and I are playing at Mildenhall around 13:30 on 15 Sept and Brancaster at 8:30 & 13:100 on the 16th. Anyone else at those courses around the same time frame - let's try to connect.
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I haven't left the US since 2019, so yes there is a fair bit of excitement.
Enno mentioned pre-Buda rounds at Mildenhall and Brancaster. Jason Topp and I are playing at Mildenhall around 13:30 on 15 Sept and Brancaster at 8:30 & 13:100 on the 16th. Anyone else at those courses around the same time frame - let's try to connect.
John,
I'll play Mildenhall in the morning and in the afternoon on the 15th, and Brancaster with 3 other Buda participants on the 16th. We're on the tee sheet 10 minutes ahead of you, both in the morning and the afternoon. Happy to meet up at Mildenhall for lunch and the afternoon round!
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There are 3 slots for 36 holes (in 2 ball format - foursomes or singles) at Brancaster on the Thursday and one slot at Hunstanton on the Friday available if anyone is interested. Conrad Gamble has the bookings and is currently alone on Thursday, with Giles and me joining on the Friday - let me know if interested.
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NOTE The Golf Hotel had 12 rooms 'reserved' for us and only 3 names Carlton, McIntosh and Sekulic.(NB this does not apply to The Petwood Hotel)They are now going to release the others - if you are planning to stay there please contact Mrs Patel: URGENTLY.
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NB
The following catering is included but if you have any specific dietary requirements they must know at least one week in advance. Please IM me if you have any questions. They wont be able to make changes on the day.
Sat evening Sit down meal.
Dinner served at 8pm tight! Petwood Hotel. FOOD only has been paid for. 25 Dining Our guest is Richard Latham
Ham hock terrine with homemade piccalilli
Chicken breast pan fried, served with tomato and chive white wine butter sauce
Syrup sponge pudding - hot pudding with custard
Note for those unfamiliar with the desert, I wouldn't describe it as Carb lite! a proper pudding :o
Monday l there will be a selection of sandwiches and chips for ALL players at lunchtime.
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Our Captains Lou and Conrad have been ensconced in a secret bunker in the Swiss Alps for the past two weeks, working out potential pairings.
BUT we need your WHS Indices now.
IM Lou (or post in reply) where you currently stand with this.
DO IT NOW...............please :) .
If you go back one page to post 126 and click on Lou's name, you have the option of IM or emailing him. Thanks
(any subsequent changes can be agreed on the day)
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It's been a few years since I had a handicap. In the interim I've had a rotator cuff issues, a broken wrist and a dodgy knee. Not looking to negotiate a higher handicap but making it clear I’ve no idea about indices and such modern notions. I can tell you that I was a 8 handicapper before I became decrepit.
Niall
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I'm at 13.9 at the moment.
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Whitaker = 11.4
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It's been a few years since I had a handicap. In the interim I've had a rotator cuff issues, a broken wrist and a dodgy knee. Not looking to negotiate a higher handicap but making it clear I’ve no idea about indices and such modern notions. I can tell you that I was a 8 handicapper before I became decrepit.
Niall
You guys on the other team might want to let Niall hold your wallets for safe keeping during the matches. That way he can just take what he’s due upon completion. :)
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It's been a few years since I had a handicap. In the interim I've had a rotator cuff issues, a broken wrist and a dodgy knee. Not looking to negotiate a higher handicap but making it clear I’ve no idea about indices and such modern notions. I can tell you that I was a 8 handicapper before I became decrepit.
Niall
You guys on the other team might want to let Niall hold your wallets for safe keeping during the matches. That way he can just take what he’s due upon completion. :)
Well said Tim!
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Whitaker = 11.4
This made me spit out my coffee the first time I saw this! there may be a post inquiry if Whitty is on fire again ;)
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Stephens = 4.5
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It's been a few years since I had a handicap. In the interim I've had a rotator cuff issues, a broken wrist and a dodgy knee. Not looking to negotiate a higher handicap but making it clear I’ve no idea about indices and such modern notions. I can tell you that I was a 8 handicapper before I became decrepit.
Niall
You guys on the other team might want to let Niall hold your wallets for safe keeping during the matches. That way he can just take what he’s due upon completion. :)
Given Witty is claiming 11.4 and he recently beat me in the UK matchplay and I was giving him 4 shots, I'm sure no-one will be claiming I'm a sandbagger. They might suggest playing off 8 is vanity on my part but I'd rather have that than being accused of having a falsely high handicap.
Anyway, the discussions on handicaps is always a highlight of BUDA. ;D
Niall
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Anyway, the discussions on handicaps is always a highlight of BUDA. ;D
Niall
Hey, we should go easy on Niall. If he says he's a bad 8, I'm good with that. By tournament/exhibition time, I should be sporting something in the 14s.
Let's keep the indices coming by IM or email. Also, please include a good email address so we can communicate privately while travelling.
Thanks!
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Here is a link to the Slope rating and handicap indexes for the Hotchkin Course
https://www.woodhallspagolf.com/uploads/woodhallspa/File/CourseHandicapTable%20%20-%20Woodhall%20Spa%20Golf%20Club%20(1019508)%20-%20Hotchkin.pdf
Whitty would be 15 hcap and myself 6 meaning a difference of 9??!!! so for matchplay does the 85% rule for handicap difference kick in?
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Man, I'm going to miss coming to BUDA, but since you all are religiously handicapping yourselves through the same universal WHS there should be no cause for the continued bun fights about handicaps. ;D ::) :P
In answer to Ben's question, the R&A and USGA both say match play should be off 100% of handicap.
(https://assets-us-01.kc-usercontent.com/c42c7bf4-dca7-00ea-4f2e-373223f80f76/5c895820-3bd9-457e-87cd-9d693b61f0a1/table_15.png)
Strangely the course handicap table Ben linked to does not reflect the complete calculation. It doesn't include the (Course rating - par) adjustment. Sadly for Ben that adjustment gives Whitty 1 more stroke. The following is from the WHS Handicapping Rules adopted by both the USGA and the R&A.
An 18-hole Course Handicap is calculated as follows:
Course Handicap = Handicap Index x (Slope Rating ÷113) + (Course Rating – par)
I only played the Hotchkin course once (in the company of the esteemed Captain Duran) and I don't recall it as so atrociously difficult for the bogey golfer as is suggested by its Slope rating of 152, 151 and 149 from the respective men's tees. Given the max Slope rating is 155, this course around 150 is amongst the most difficult anywhere in the world for bogey golfers. Good luck, play well, and it's a good thing you're playing match play.
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Hi Bryan,
You are a pretty good adjudicator and being Canadian which means you are independent between the Brits and the Yanks! :) Maybe a bit too much favouritism towards Whitty ;D
Sorry to know that you will not be over to Blighty for BUDA this year. Hope to see you sooner than later in future
Cheers
Ben
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The following is from the WHS Handicapping Rules adopted by both the USGA and the R&A.
An 18-hole Course Handicap is calculated as follows:
Course Handicap = Handicap Index x (Slope Rating ÷113) + (Course Rating – par)
Thanks Bryan
As my application to join the LIV Tour is currently pending, can I just say I'm a 12 ?
Niall
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Niall,
If you say that you are a 8 and taking into account the Course Handicap Index - it would be 11 (12 if you are high 8 and low 9)
Cheers
Ben
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Ben
Lou has played with me often enough to jump at my handicap of 8 as he knows very well it is a gift to the opposition !
Niall
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Ben
Lou has played with me often enough to jump at my handicap of 8 as he knows very well it is a gift to the opposition !
Niall
Niall if you haven't played Woodhall before you need to take as many shots as you can!
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10.1 index
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Here is a link to the Slope rating and handicap indexes for the Hotchkin Course
https://www.woodhallspagolf.com/uploads/woodhallspa/File/CourseHandicapTable%20%20-%20Woodhall%20Spa%20Golf%20Club%20(1019508)%20-%20Hotchkin.pdf (https://www.woodhallspagolf.com/uploads/woodhallspa/File/CourseHandicapTable%20%20-%20Woodhall%20Spa%20Golf%20Club%20(1019508)%20-%20Hotchkin.pdf)
And here is the Bracken:
https://www.woodhallspagolf.com/uploads/woodhallspa/File/CourseHandicapTable%20-%20Woodhall%20Spa%20Golf%20Club%20(1019508)%20-%20Bracken.pdf (https://www.woodhallspagolf.com/uploads/woodhallspa/File/CourseHandicapTable%20-%20Woodhall%20Spa%20Golf%20Club%20(1019508)%20-%20Bracken.pdf)
And Seacroft:
https://www.seacroft-golfclub.co.uk/whs_tables (https://www.seacroft-golfclub.co.uk/whs_tables)
My index is currently 2.7.
Looking forward to seeing everyone very soon!
Cheers,
James
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12.1
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Guys - As a former board member of the SC Golf Association, I’m fairly familiar with the means by which a Course Rating & Slope Rating is created. Im truly shocked at the ratings on the Woodhall Spa courses! 95% of these ratings comes distance, not other factors (at least in the US), so it makes me wonder why these courses have such high numbers. Are there numerous forced carries that the average golfer can’t manage? The “Slope” is a result of the difference between the Course Rating (for scratch golfers) and the Bogie Rating (for the average golfers). The greater the difference in these two numbers, the greater the “Slope”. Help me understand why these courses have such a high slope.
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https://www.woodhallspagolf.com/uploads/woodhallspa/File/CourseHandicapTable%20-%20Woodhall%20Spa%20Golf%20Club%20(1019508)%20-%20Bracken.pdf (https://www.woodhallspagolf.com/uploads/woodhallspa/File/CourseHandicapTable%20-%20Woodhall%20Spa%20Golf%20Club%20(1019508)%20-%20Bracken.pdf)
Imagine playing against someone with a WHI of 54. They might have a 3 or even 4 shot start on a Par 3!
Glad to see the new unified system hasn't killed "the conversation". ;D
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I really enjoy all this give and take in a competition where the trophy for the winning team hasn't been seen for quite a while.
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With the falling GBP the trip is getting more affordable on a daily basis.
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Conrad, David, Giles, Tony, and the African Animal, please report to the principal's office immediately.
A preliminary analysis of Team USA's indices suggests more than a bit of vanity entering the self-reporting. Let's hope that the five ROW late-filers will have similar orientations so that the Visitors can offer some spirited competition.
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Tony - I don’t mean to appear crass… but, will the Queen’s funeral require a pause or cancellation in the Buda. It seems the service will occur during our event. Won’t the country take a day of national mourning and require everything to close for the day? If yes, won’t the golf courses have to close?
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Mike - if today’s news is accurate, the state funeral is to be held on Monday the 19th. I’d expect the Monday Buda rounds to be cancelled in that case. But we’ll have to wait and see.
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I'll bring the tissues for Monday.
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Lou,
I’m 13.5 - hope that’s me off the naughty step now. ;)
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I'm an American and seeing this come back just puts a smile on my face. Go at it, lads.
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I really enjoy all this give and take in a competition where the trophy for the winning team hasn't been seen for quite a while.
Jerry,
After several years where the general state of life and the World has been so chaotic (crazy prime ministers and presidents, lockdowns and pandemics and who knows what else going on) when it was therefore deemed safer to keep the trophy in a secret and secure location, rather than risk it being out in the open at such events, I can confirm that the trophy will be making an appearance at this years event (even if I get to Woodhall, realise I've forgotten it again and have to drive all the way home to get it!)
Cheers,
James
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Hi - catching up on the thread - my index is 11.8
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Mike - if today’s news is accurate, the state funeral is to be held on Monday the 19th. I’d expect the Monday Buda rounds to be cancelled in that case. But we’ll have to wait and see.
Enno I’d be extremely surprised if any course or clubhouse is open on the 19th. Royal Cinque Ports was completely closed yesterday (9th) and has already announced a complete closure on the day of the funeral.
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All we know for certain is the funeral is on the Monday when we are booked to play Seacroft.
Royal Cinque Ports announced the evening of the day of her death that they would be closed the next day and on the day of her funeral. This looked like a preplanned move and given the Royal connection was undoubtedly the correct action. Neither of my other two clubs have made any announcement about possible closures.
My contact at Seacroft is away until Tuesday and it may be several days before we know anything. Will update as soon as I know anything definite but I don't agree with Mark's apparent certainty.
RIP Elizabeth.
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All we know for certain is the funeral is on the Monday when we are booked to play Seacroft.
Royal Cinque Ports announced the evening of the day of her death that they would be closed the next day and on the day of her funeral. This looked like a preplanned move and given the Royal connection was undoubtedly the correct action. Neither of my other two clubs have made any announcement about possible closures.
My contact at Seacroft is away until Tuesday and it may be several days before we know anything. Will update as soon as I know anything definite but I don't agree with Mark's apparent certainty.
RIP Elizabeth.
Indeed. Elie closed the clubhouse on Friday and suggested that members didn't play but there was no dictat. Northumberland was shut because of weather but would have been open otherwise (indeed, I went there for a committee meeting). Crail was open.
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I think most courses will remain OPEN. Royal ones probably not.
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Stephens = 4.5
Stephens = now 5.1
Just had an email from my club Rutland Water GC saying that they are closed on 19th Sept. Wouldn't surprise me if there are others that will follow
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Stephens = 4.5
Stephens = now 5.1
Just had an email from my club Rutland Water GC saying that they are closed on 19th Sept. Wouldn't surprise me if there are others that will follow
Gullane GC has also announced the club is closing on the 19th. I doubt any club/course will remain open.
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I am wrong. Majority are closing.
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Sadly and seemingly inevitably Golf at Seacroft is cancelled and the club and course will be closed on Monday 19th.
As Woodhall Spa is owned by England Golf Patron The Queen they will also be shut on the Monday.
Everyone will get a full refund. Hopefully I can get enough cash together to hand to overseas visitors this weekend as it saves everyone a lot of hastle and charges. UK bank holders let me have your details and I’ll send the money – but please be patient it may take a week or two as I’ll be travelling directly after.
The other shame is that people wont get to play Seacroft. Nick in the pro shop has offered to be has helpful as they can in the situation. Please contact him direct if you can squeeze in a round there on the Friday prior to Buda – from 3pm or Tuesday after from 11am.
I’m at a loss as to what to suggest as an alternative?
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Tony
I think that decision was almost inevitable and thinking further on the conversation we had, I have to say I don't think I'd be playing on the Monday even if the course was open. Consequently I'll be travelling home on the Sunday night. It is a shame after all your hard work but I think it is the right decision when all is said and done.
Niall
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Tony,
Indeed, this was probably inevitable. Too bad, but nothing anyone can do about it. Personally, I'll stay in Woodhall as planned until Monday morning and will make my way back towards the ferry at Harwich on Monday. I've just checked on the websites of a few clubs on the way, but I'm pretty sure everything is closed. For me, that probably means a day of sightseeing in Cambridge (or elsewhere), and a somewhat more relaxed travel day than originally planned.
Enno
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Tony,
I seem destined not to visit Seacroft. When I was at Woodhall Spa in 2013, I had to cut my trip short and head back to the US for a work issue, missing Seacroft. Jason Topp and I are at Brancaster on the Friday before Buda, but we are staying in Brancaster that night, so getting up to Skegness on Friday doesn't work. Really disappointed. Will definitely try again sometime.
Thanks for all of your work on this year's Buda. If it makes things easier, any of my fees for Seacroft can just be applied to next year's Buda. No rush to get cash available for me.
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Tony,
Thanks for your efforts. Jack and I can wait for any refund if it is better for you.
If anyone is playing somewhere on Monday think of us to join since we have a game Tuesday and fly out Wednesday.
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Again, different clubs doing different things. At Northumberland, clubhouse is closed all day but the course will be open. I understand that one Open rota club is closed until 2pm but open after that. I think getting a game as a visitor anywhere on Monday will be impossible.
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If you are all stuck on Monday have any of you ever considered taking a walking tour of the course you were going to play? Or are all outdoor activities forbidden on the day?
If you are more religiously motivated, and need a good church in which to pay your respects, the Lincoln Cathedral is about half an hour from Woodhall Spa, and it's spectacular.
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If you are all stuck on Monday have any of you ever considered taking a walking tour of the course you were going to play? Or are all outdoor activities forbidden on the day?
Many/most of these clubs are on private land, so walking on them when closed might be trespass. They are also a good drive away and, in the case of Seacroft, where we were due on Monday, an hour in the wrong direction, which is a good trek to walk rather than play.
It appears though, that at least a couple of decent courses may be open to play, with certain hoops to get through.
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To walk the course - It might be advisable to ring the pro shop first but it is completely open to the public. There's alos a nature reserve to the south.
John I had a chat with the pro and he promised to assist a with organising a future future BUDA. In a few years Clyde's work will be complete and it is a really great venue for it. Ben will need to advise as to a suitable second course ideally within an hours travel?
Due to the funeral Monday's Golf is cancelled.
There's a bunch (6) of us heading to West Essex
West Essex - near the M25 a good local course with some very interesting holes. Braid CK Hutchinson
There's also the possibility of a previous Buda course, close to the M1. Very highly Recommended -but the offer isn't open to the general public so it can't be identified on here!
In all cases a green fee will be payable in advance but the Clubs themselves will be shut - only the courses are open.
Please IM me if you are looking for a game and I'll send details.
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An excellent BUDA, despite being cut short.
Many thanks to Tony. Thanks also to Richard Latham, who gave a really interesting talk on Saturday evening.
I warmed a bit to the Hotchkin but remain entirely unconvinced by the Bracken.
Congratulations to Captain Lou Duran and his team.
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An excellent BUDA, despite being cut short.
Many thanks to Tony. Thanks also to Richard Latham, who gave a really interesting talk on Saturday evening.
I warmed a bit to the Hotchkin but remain entirely unconvinced by the Bracken.
Congratulations to Captain Lou Duran and his team.
Ditto! 👍
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An excellent BUDA, despite being cut short.
Many thanks to Tony. Thanks also to Richard Latham, who gave a really interesting talk on Saturday evening.
I warmed a bit to the Hotchkin but remain entirely unconvinced by the Bracken.
Congratulations to Captain Lou Duran and his team.
Well said, Mark.
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An excellent BUDA, despite being cut short.
Many thanks to Tony. Thanks also to Richard Latham, who gave a really interesting talk on Saturday evening.
I warmed a bit to the Hotchkin but remain entirely unconvinced by the Bracken.
Congratulations to Captain Lou Duran and his team.
Thanks Mark. As always, Tony did a great job of putting everything together and emceeing the event. In the midst of a historic 10 or so days surrounding the Queen's passing, the Buda was conducted respectfully without compromising the competitive spirit of match play. Capt. Gamble's comments preceding the group dinner on Saturday regarding the Queen's unprecedented longevity as a British monarch and calming worldwide influence struck a perfect note. Thanks Conrad.
I was also impressed with Richard's passion, candor, and apparent willingness to entertain ideas and constructive suggestions. In an industry where thin skin is too often encountered, his presentation and follow-up Q & A were a breath of fresh air.
Re: the two Woodhall Spa courses, Hotchkin is more than my game can handle. I did find the Bracken to be an interesting contrast and an enjoyable relief course. I mentioned to Richard that if someone had told me beforehand that one of the two courses had been renovated by Tom Doak and I did not know which one, I'd bet the farm that it was Bracken. It was not the first time he had heard that.
My role as Captain was rather simple with the concurrence and cooperation of my counterpart: vary the partners and opponents as much as the tee sheet and time constraints allowed. Congratulations to all. Hopefully, most enjoyed their matches.
Lastly, I hope that future events will draw more Newbies. Of the 22 players who participated, Enno was my only new acquaintance. A few of us are getting on in years, making travel more difficult. Meeting people face-to-face is a much better way of enjoying the many benefits offered by golfclubatlas.com. It certainly fosters better understanding of comments made in the DG segment, not to say anything about the many warn relationships also developed. Important gatherings such as the King Putter and the Dixie Cup have lost their momentum and might be hard to resurrect. Let's not allow this to happen to the Buda.
Thanks again to all!