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Title: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 12, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
Figure I would start a thread where we can discuss all things this years Masters tournament.


I'll say right now the course looks really cool with no gallery flanking the fairways or grandstands behind and around the greens. I'm noticing parts of the course on the Masters.com coverage you don't normally see during a normal Masters due to patrons being in attendance. Anyone else feel the same?


On a separate note, how 'bout Tiger's performance thus far today? Impressive, to say the least, as he's historically not played great in the opening round.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Pete_Pittock on November 12, 2020, 04:01:44 PM
I wish they would ask a player how it felt starting on #10 and if playing the course that way made it any different.


Play will be suspended with a number of groups on the course. Sunset is about 5:30 local time.




Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 12, 2020, 04:12:12 PM
It'll be interesting to see if they're able to complete the entirety of the second round tomorrow. Some of the afternoon groups will be lucky to complete nine today. That'll be a lot of golf for them tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Bernie Bell on November 12, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
I wish they would ask a player how it felt starting on #10 and if playing the course that way made it any different.


Play will be suspended with a number of groups on the course. Sunset is about 5:30 local time.
I heard Justin Thomas say that for him it's more difficult to be confident in turning the ball properly if 10 is your first tee ball of the day.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: William_G on November 12, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
best thing is how civilized the putting is without green reading books, simply awesome
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: jeffwarne on November 12, 2020, 05:48:55 PM
best thing is how civilized the putting is without green reading books, simply awesome


ditto.


The fall lighting or cameras or something seem really different-far more texture and visible slopes.
The drone shots are soooo much better than the aerials.
But as I think of it, it could be just the fact that I'm watching it on my own TV in New York for the first time....ever(drove back from Augusta yesterday).....heavy sigh.

Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: ward peyronnin on November 12, 2020, 06:23:46 PM
Is it me or are other folks underwhelmed by the tournament today?
 Yes the curiosity factor titillated for a short while. However the lack of patrons and energy is SO palpable to me. The unfortunate soft conditions saw these guys just shoot bullets which is one way to satisfy the golf fan but without the crowds to punctuate these feats of power and ability with appreciative energy it feels like target practice perhaps.

So where I am going with this is witnessing a shotmaking round, which is required by conditions different than today, doesn't require mass hysteria to deliver up an interesting tournament rounds so ignore the bomb and gouge trend at the peril of interesting competitive golf. Pity but golf seems to be going the opposite of that.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: jeffwarne on November 12, 2020, 06:36:12 PM
Is it me or are other folks underwhelmed by the tournament today?
 Yes the curiosity factor titillated for a short while. However the lack of patrons and energy is SO palpable to me. The unfortunate soft conditions saw these guys just shoot bullets which is one way to satisfy the golf fan but without the crowds to punctuate these feats of power and ability with appreciative energy it feels like target practice perhaps.

So where I am going with this is witnessing a shotmaking round, which is required by conditions different than today, doesn't require mass hysteria to deliver up an interesting tournament rounds so ignore the bomb and gouge trend at the peril of interesting competitive golf. Pity but golf seems to be going the opposite of that.


or a tropical storm just dumped a ton of  rain on a heavy soil site..
It's The Masters and I've been glued to it since 7 am-about to watch the replay.
The lighting, openess without fans and different seasonal look are fascinating to me.


That and I have Casey at 66-1 and Tiger at 35-1, along with Thomas as a hedge :)



Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: David Ober on November 12, 2020, 06:48:15 PM
Is it me or are other folks underwhelmed by the tournament today?
 Yes the curiosity factor titillated for a short while. However the lack of patrons and energy is SO palpable to me. The unfortunate soft conditions saw these guys just shoot bullets which is one way to satisfy the golf fan but without the crowds to punctuate these feats of power and ability with appreciative energy it feels like target practice perhaps.

So where I am going with this is witnessing a shotmaking round, which is required by conditions different than today, doesn't require mass hysteria to deliver up an interesting tournament rounds so ignore the bomb and gouge trend at the peril of interesting competitive golf. Pity but golf seems to be going the opposite of that.


or a tropical storm just dumped a ton of  rain on a heavy soil site..
It's The Masters and I've been glued to it since 7 am-about to watch the replay.
The lighting, openess without fans and different seasonal look are fascinating to me.


That and I have Casey at 66-1 and Tiger at 35-1, along with Thomas as a hedge :)


I have Webb at 33 to 1 and Matthew Wolff at 40 to 1.


And I agree with you: it's all about the water dumped on the golf course. Hopefully it dries out to where we have a wonderful, firm(er) Saturday and Sunday.  :)



Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: ward peyronnin on November 12, 2020, 06:52:53 PM
Jeff I fully understand but I just don't feel as inspired with this kinda of golf unvarnished; perhaps if you offered to let my buy into your position that will help? Flashback to the firing range scene in Sgt York watching him squeeze off rounds and they raise the target and count all the bullseyes; powerful but sterile?

Care to reveal how much you have riding on Casey?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: jeffwarne on November 12, 2020, 06:58:20 PM
Is it me or are other folks underwhelmed by the tournament today?
 Yes the curiosity factor titillated for a short while. However the lack of patrons and energy is SO palpable to me. The unfortunate soft conditions saw these guys just shoot bullets which is one way to satisfy the golf fan but without the crowds to punctuate these feats of power and ability with appreciative energy it feels like target practice perhaps.

So where I am going with this is witnessing a shotmaking round, which is required by conditions different than today, doesn't require mass hysteria to deliver up an interesting tournament rounds so ignore the bomb and gouge trend at the peril of interesting competitive golf. Pity but golf seems to be going the opposite of that.


or a tropical storm just dumped a ton of  rain on a heavy soil site..
It's The Masters and I've been glued to it since 7 am-about to watch the replay.
The lighting, openess without fans and different seasonal look are fascinating to me.


That and I have Casey at 66-1 and Tiger at 35-1, along with Thomas as a hedge :)


I have Webb at 33 to 1 and Matthew Wolff at 40 to 1.


And I agree with you: it's all about the water dumped on the golf course. Hopefully it dries out to where we have a wonderful, firm(er) Saturday and Sunday.  :)


Webb scares me(I don't have him but I considered him)
Didn't buy DeChambeau, but I have a lot of favorites as hedges.
Also have Wolff at 40-1 on a reasonable amount so a nice payout for a win there.
I'm pulling for Lanto Griffin at 175-1 but that ship may have sailed today.
I put the most on Bubba as he was my favorite-esp at 28-1


Ward- $50 on Casey
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Steve Lang on November 12, 2020, 07:18:19 PM
 8)  A fine GAMBOL opportunity, but I'm maintaining my amateur status... 


I found myself constantly taking screen shots while watching on the Masters.com website... don't miss the crowds at all, finally being able to really see the place... the hills and expansive manicured areas across the site in full eye candy perspective, very cool having never been there...


Shots like this is from live webcams... very nice...  i wonder if this one survives restart of cam in morning? ....prob not, or have i seen this before?


(https://www.masters.com/images/live/slates/ac.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Flory on November 12, 2020, 07:24:51 PM
I find it strange that Paul Casey is only 3 years younger than Jack was during the '86 Masters.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Pete_Pittock on November 12, 2020, 08:07:18 PM
Additional Friday TV starts at 7:30 ET on ESPN for completion of 1st round
I saw a lot more of green contours as the TV got into the golden hour.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: ward peyronnin on November 12, 2020, 08:09:47 PM
Hey at least they aren't pumping in canned crowd noise or standing up cardboard cutouts.

It is ridiculous to be unable to hear football commentators due to fake noise. I would take nonindigenous bird call anyday

Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Pete_Pittock on November 12, 2020, 08:19:21 PM
If BDC wins, how many calories will be on the menu next year?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 12, 2020, 09:03:35 PM
If BDC wins, how many calories will be on the menu next year?
;D ;D ;D


On a somewhat more serious note, how about 62 yr. old Larry Mize shooting a -2 under 70 round today? Wow, great to see the older guys hanging in there with the young bucks.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: ward peyronnin on November 12, 2020, 10:30:52 PM
Did anybody see Spieth hitting balls?
I watched him hit four drivers and each time after addressing the ball he turned his head at least 9 times to check target presumably; I feel badly for him as something swingwise is eating him up
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Kalen Braley on November 12, 2020, 11:40:31 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed watching about 2 hours of replay coverage tonight. Yes the energy is missing, but its interesting to see sight lines of other holes and features that were previously impossible with fans errrr patrons everywhere.  16 especially was almost unrecognizable without the stands up the entire left hand side and they had some cool drone shots looking back at 15 from behind the trees at the rear of the green.

P.S.  Even Tiger was impressive, never gets old seeing how he's really learned how to play that course...
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Pat Burke on November 12, 2020, 11:44:47 PM
A combination of COVID and other events have given me a swift ball kick financially.


We are working on trying to move our accumulated crap
Out of our house in order to sell.


I had the Masters on while doing work Around the house and I mentioned to my wife how little the telecast grabbed any attention from me.


Normally I would get drawn to and distracted by the telecast and ()I believe) The energy from the crowd noise.


The announcers and blah of the whole thing surprised me.  Could be what we are dealing with, but Augusta has always gotten me pretty excited. Just not in the least today for whatever reason
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: John Crowley on November 13, 2020, 12:58:44 AM
best thing is how civilized the putting is without green reading books, simply awesome


And did you notice Tigers ďyardage bookĒ? An apparently hand written single piece of paper in his left front pocket.


Love it!!
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Thomas Dai on November 13, 2020, 04:10:09 AM
Nice to be able to see and appreciate more aspects of the course at ANGC without spectators present.
A late season tournament is kinda nice too. Bookends the season with a significant event.

atb
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim Leahy on November 13, 2020, 06:01:42 AM
Loved it without fans. Pure golf. No idiots clapping for bad shots and bogies. No clowns shouting "you the man or mashed potatoes". If it wasn't for the money lost I wish it would stay this way. Nobody has to hold up a "quiet please" sign.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 13, 2020, 06:56:48 AM
If it wasn't for the money lost I wish it would stay this way. Nobody has to hold up a "quiet please" sign.
LOL!! Ain't that the truth?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim Martin on November 13, 2020, 07:58:34 AM
Iíve enjoyed watching all the majors this year but they are just not the same without the fans.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim_Cronin on November 13, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
This Masters is as intriguing as any of the other 60 or so I've watched, perhaps more so. We're seeing parts of the place never before seen on television, the course is playing differently Ė that second cut is real rough, and I'd like to know the thinking behind that Ė and and the light falls at a different angle in the late afternoon.


The flycam on wire on 16 and the two drones ought to be made a permanent part of the CBS arsenal. Now, if only they could follow tee shots on 13. Maybe next decade.



I can't wait to go back to April and hear the roar of the crowd, but as a one-off, I love it.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Daryl "Turboe" Boe on November 13, 2020, 09:09:47 AM
I was watching the bonus coverage in the am yesterday on the Masters App and mirroring it to my TV in my home office.  For the first several hours (on my feed anyway) there were no announcers or anything.  Just open mics catching the players comments and creek and bird noises, etc.  Dont know if this was something they were doing on purpose, because there was closed captioning of an announcers comments if you wanted them, so someone was giving play by play to create the CC, but it did not come across my audio feed.


Trying to get work done was hard because it caused me to have to pay closer attention.  My daughter (not a big golf watcher) came in and sat down in my office for a while and she said, "man I love just hearing the nature and no announcer!  They should do this all the time!"


At times it just kind of felt like you were walking the course with them, hearing their conversations and not the announcers.  Overall it was pretty cool, and a rare opportunity with no patrons to just have the "out walking with your Thursday morning foursome feel!"
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: John Kavanaugh on November 13, 2020, 09:14:32 AM
A combination of COVID and other events have given me a swift ball kick financially.


We are working on trying to move our accumulated crap
Out of our house in order to sell.


I had the Masters on while doing work Around the house and I mentioned to my wife how little the telecast grabbed any attention from me.


Normally I would get drawn to and distracted by the telecast and ()I believe) The energy from the crowd noise.


The announcers and blah of the whole thing surprised me.  Could be what we are dealing with, but Augusta has always gotten me pretty excited. Just not in the least today for whatever reason


Wow Pat I'm so sorry to hear this. I wish the quickest and best recovery for you in short time.


For what it matters the Masters always was combined with that special feeling associated with spring. The tournament was a gate opener to another great year. This year it is closing the door on a nightmare.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: David Ober on November 13, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
A combination of COVID and other events have given me a swift ball kick financially.


We are working on trying to move our accumulated crap
Out of our house in order to sell.


I had the Masters on while doing work Around the house and I mentioned to my wife how little the telecast grabbed any attention from me.


Normally I would get drawn to and distracted by the telecast and ()I believe) The energy from the crowd noise.


The announcers and blah of the whole thing surprised me.  Could be what we are dealing with, but Augusta has always gotten me pretty excited. Just not in the least today for whatever reason


Wow Pat I'm so sorry to hear this. I wish the quickest and best recovery for you in short time.


For what it matters the Masters always was combined with that special feeling associated with spring. The tournament was a gate opener to another great year. This year it is closing the door on a nightmare.


Yes, indeed. That combined with the soft conditions, makes for a very odd Masters. But as long as Wolff and Simpson win, it'll be the best Masters EVER!
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Bruce Katona on November 13, 2020, 10:13:44 AM
So I watched yesterday later in the afternoon.  It was very different (and nice) to see the place sans patrons, so the telecast could show more of the grounds.  I also enjoyed watching how the greens react when they are not rolling at the speed of cured concrete............and Larry Mize and even better Langer showing those young pups how to play by throwing a 68 into the mix.


I hope someone had a few $$$$ on either of these two to make the cut! 




Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: JReese on November 13, 2020, 10:29:42 AM
I can't recall the rough (2nd cut) being as high as it is this week.  Is this due to lack of patrons, weather, or some other reason?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: William_G on November 13, 2020, 10:47:30 AM
I can't recall the rough (2nd cut) being as high as it is this week.  Is this due to lack of patrons, weather, or some other reason?


it is very high, higher than ever
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: John Kavanaugh on November 13, 2020, 11:13:30 AM
What is that noise during the coverage of 12? Drone, sub-air or fan. Please stop it.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 13, 2020, 11:15:07 AM
it is very high, higher than ever
The second cut needs to be that high, as these guys are throwing darts at the pins because the greens are so soft right now. I can't recall seeing as many balls come to a dead stop upon hitting the greens as the past 1.5 days. They're all but plugging. I hope they firm up and get some of their teeth back, as it's ridiculous seeing what these guys are doing to this course.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Kalen Braley on November 13, 2020, 11:15:47 AM
What is that noise during the coverage of 12? Drone, sub-air or fan. Please stop it.


I heard same last night when they were showing players on #2.  I believe its the sub-air system.  Even Tiger said you could hear em  during his round.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Flory on November 13, 2020, 12:42:55 PM
Sungjae Im flying under the radar
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on November 13, 2020, 03:38:34 PM
I have enjoyed seeing more of the course without "patron" as well as the drones. Both give new perspectives to the course. Not sure if it is true but the course does not seem as pristine as usual. I know some of it is the old Bermuda raising its head.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Jeff Schley on November 13, 2020, 04:04:57 PM
Have you seen Sandy Lyle's look this year?  I have to say I never have seen suspenders on a golf course, certainly not in professional golf. I suppose in the old days of Bagger Vance it could have been becoming. Will have to see dress codes at private clubs now to see if they mention you must wear a belt (not suspenders in lieu of).
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: David_Tepper on November 13, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
Jeff S. -

There is a well-known GCA-er among us famous for playing wearing both a belt and suspenders!  ;)

DT


Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Pallotta on November 13, 2020, 04:19:24 PM
This year: the golf course looks better while the golf tournament seems worse. Without patrons and stands, it feels like Iím watching a member-guest at the most exclusive club in the world, and can see everything; but without the roars and applause, some of the (normally thrilling) great shots feel more like target practice, during a practice round. This year: Augusta-the Masters now seem to me not so much the Ďbestí golf course and tournament in the world as the most Ďdramaticí: one heck of a great property there, one ideal venue for exciting finishes.


Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Rob Marshall on November 13, 2020, 05:41:54 PM
So do they come out and re-sod the tees that are beat up today? The 11th Tiger just played off was pretty bad. I canít imagine you want to hit off fresh sod but with Augusta who knows.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Steve Lang on November 13, 2020, 06:15:51 PM
 8)  don't they have some old tee locations closer to the holes, just need to mow them?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Bill Gayne on November 13, 2020, 07:15:57 PM
I was listening to the Sirius XM broadcast for a couple hours of windshield time today. Katrek, Rhymer, and the rest of the team do a really good job.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim Martin on November 13, 2020, 07:27:09 PM
Have you seen Sandy Lyle's look this year?  I have to say I never have seen suspenders on a golf course, certainly not in professional golf. I suppose in the old days of Bagger Vance it could have been becoming. Will have to see dress codes at private clubs now to see if they mention you must wear a belt (not suspenders in lieu of).


Iím a fan of Sandy but thatís a fashion fail.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tom Bacsanyi on November 13, 2020, 08:13:18 PM
I can't recall the rough (2nd cut) being as high as it is this week.  Is this due to lack of patrons, weather, or some other reason?


it is very high, higher than ever


I think there was some areas in the rough that they simply couldn't mow. In the first round there were several skipped areas ON FAIRWAYS, such as left of 11, and right at the start of 1. Looked like they were able to mow those for today, but I'm sure there are some areas in the rough (especially in low, shady areas) that they still couldn't mow without doing burnouts. Especially to the left of 3 on the low side....


Also keep in mind they are only a few weeks out of a wall-to-wall overseed program and the fertility program that comes with it. That's far different from leaning out a more mature rye stand late in the season for the typical Masters. So big fert, big rain, warm temps, and that grass is jumping. Plus not being able to mow certain areas.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Terry Lavin on November 13, 2020, 09:18:09 PM
Great leaderboard but itís not compelling television.


Yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Flory on November 14, 2020, 12:22:29 AM
I agree.  When the ball hits and stops, it is just an aerial attack and relatively boring.  You'd think that with their sub-air systems and good weather that it should play better and better each day. 
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: John Crowley on November 14, 2020, 12:40:25 AM
I have enjoyed seeing more of the course without "patron" as well as the drones. Both give new perspectives to the course.





Right!!
Iím really enjoying the unimpeded views of the architecture - the holes in the context of the entire property.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Flory on November 14, 2020, 01:06:37 AM
This is the first tournament that I've watched where I have missed the energy of the crowd.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Flory on November 14, 2020, 01:10:19 AM
I just heard them mention that Bernhard Langer played in his first major with someone (Sarazen) who was born in 1902.  Now Bernhard is playing in a major with someone born in 2002!
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Thomas Dai on November 14, 2020, 04:33:42 AM
I just heard them mention that Bernhard Langer played in his first major with someone (Sarazen) who was born in 1902.  Now Bernhard is playing in a major with someone born in 2002!
Magnificent score and achievement by Bernard Langer and let's not forget Larry Mize too. Sandy Lyle even. I bet they are tired though ... some of the more elderly former champions apparently stop playing because of the severity of the terrain. Kind of a shame.
atb

PS - How about a Seniors tier at the Masters? Winner gets say a green hoodie? :) :)


Later PSS - as to Sandy's attire this year, well I guess if braces ('suspenders') were okay for Bobby Jones ......
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmxXn-OW8AQMu7G?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmxXn-IWMAIRpJc?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 14, 2020, 07:55:00 AM
Have you seen Sandy Lyle's look this year?  I have to say I never have seen suspenders on a golf course, certainly not in professional golf. I suppose in the old days of Bagger Vance it could have been becoming. Will have to see dress codes at private clubs now to see if they mention you must wear a belt (not suspenders in lieu of).
Yeah, all Sandy was missing were the Plus 9's to round out his wardrobe. LOL! Meanwhile, Hideki Matsuyama was walking around ANGC looking like a candy striper.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 14, 2020, 08:17:07 AM
Magnificent score and achievement by Bernard Langer and let's not forget Larry Mize too. Sandy Lyle even. I bet they are tired though ... some of the more elderly former champions apparently stop playing because of the severity of the terrain. Kind of a shame.
It'll be interesting to see how these guys hold up over the weekend given the course, the amount of golf they played yesterday/today and the fact they don't play four consecutive rounds on the Champions Tour save for the majors?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Carl Johnson on November 14, 2020, 08:33:10 AM
Loved seeing DeChambeau lose his ball in the rough yesterday.  He got to experience what it feels like for the rest of us when they let the rough grow long.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim Leahy on November 14, 2020, 08:36:09 AM
I don't think I have seen so many different countries represented at the top of the leaderboard, must be at least 10 different flags. :D
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Thomas Dai on November 14, 2020, 10:05:56 AM
A screenshot view (by the Fried Egg) of the front of the 14th green that we don't usually get to see during Masters TV coverage.
So many different scenes and angles available to be viewed this year with no spectators present.
atb
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmyPwkTW8AA58M5?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 14, 2020, 10:11:38 AM
Yeah, I can't recall seeing the 14th green from that angle on TV before. Very cool! From where Oosthuizen was putting the cup location appeared to be higher than the top of his head when standing completely upright. You can't appreciate the steepness of that green when all you see is the camera angle from behind it.


On a separate note, who is still liking their pic's pre-tournament and has your opinion changed of both the winner and score? I still like Brooks to win it and see him making a move today. I also like Rahm's chances as well, but I am going to stick with Brooks. That said, I don't think -15 is going to win it. With the course finally starting to dry out and get firmer I can see the winning score at - 12 or -13. Should be fun to watching these guys get around a course playing differently from yesterday and Thursday.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Flory on November 14, 2020, 12:38:58 PM
Countries represented in the top 20 right now:
U.S. 
South Korea
Spain
Columbia
Japan
Mexico
Australia
England
Taiwan
S. Africa
Canada
Ireland


What a sport!
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim Leahy on November 14, 2020, 01:06:12 PM
Yeah, I can't recall seeing the 14th green from that angle on TV before. Very cool! From where Oosthuizen was putting the cup location appeared to be higher than the top of his head when standing completely upright. You can't appreciate the steepness of that green when all you see is the camera angle from behind it.


On a separate note, who is still liking their pic's pre-tournament and has your opinion changed of both the winner and score? I still like Brooks to win it and see him making a move today. I also like Rahm's chances as well, but I am going to stick with Brooks. That said, I don't think -15 is going to win it. With the course finally starting to dry out and get firmer I can see the winning score at - 12 or -13. Should be fun to watching these guys get around a course playing differently from yesterday and Thursday.
DJ is hot. Lookout for a runaway. I am not counting out Rahm. What a playoff that would be.
Oops, as I am typing DJ yanks it out of play. :o
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Flory on November 14, 2020, 01:08:17 PM
Not sure why, but Rahm isn't that pleasing to watch.  He gets it done though. 
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Thomas Dai on November 14, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
Watching greenside bunker shots being played and pondering the green complexes at ANGC in comparison with what was seen on TV from Houstonís Memorial Open last week.
Seems like the greenside bunkers at ANGC are essentially helpful bunkers for elite players and that the recovery shots, maybe the approach shots as well, would be considerably more challenging if the bunkers werenít there.
Guess the ĎTV lookí wouldnít be quite the same though.
Atb
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on November 14, 2020, 02:35:58 PM
Looking at the 12th green and how thin it is, I wonder if they have a fan there. It sits in a little spot that must not get a lot of air movement on the ground.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 14, 2020, 05:31:38 PM
Today's the first day of the tournament where I really missed having patrons in attendance. There lacked an energy on the course that would normally be present, helping the challengers get some momentum. To his credit, DJ pretty much sucked all the energy out of the room with his blistering start and then put it in cruise control on the back to maintain a four stroke lead. No one seemingly wanted to grab the baton and make a run at him. Rory had it going for while until he bogeyed 13, pretty much putting the kibosh on his chances. While players such as Brooks Koepka, Justin Thomas, Cameron Smith, et al had good rounds by any measure, they were fairly pedestrian. In other words, they birdied the holes you expected them to. Dylan Frittelli had the best round of the would be challengers, but he's no serious threat. Until you've gone through the Sunday grinder at ANGC, you're not prepared to deal with the heat from the spotlight.


The question now becomes 1) will anyone make a serious run at DJ and 2) will he come back to the field and let a bunch of guys back into the tournament? He seems to be in total command of his game right now, so I don't see the latter happening. However, stranger things have occured to players with big leads at ANGC on Sunday. By the same token, I don't see anyone at -12 making a run at him either. As such, the tournament is really DJ's to lose. I hope we have a compelling finish tomorrow, but as of now I don't see anyone giving serious chase to Dustin Johnson.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: David_Tepper on November 14, 2020, 06:04:14 PM
"Looking at the 12th green and how thin it is, I wonder if they have a fan there. It sits in a little spot that must not get a lot of air movement on the ground."

Tommy W. -

I am guessing the 12th green probably does not get a whole lot of direct sunlight either, as it sits against the slope behind it.

DT
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Thomas Dai on November 15, 2020, 03:50:58 AM
Wonderful to be able to get without spectators being present and from different angles to the norm an inkling of what the terrain and the contours are like. Photos for posterity. Enjoy.
atb
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em0YvWJW8AAoC5c?format=jpg&name=small)


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Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Adam G on November 15, 2020, 08:08:46 AM
No funnel pin on 16 this year! I can't recall seeing it on the back right shelf on Sunday in a long time.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Thomas Dai on November 15, 2020, 08:32:40 AM
No funnel pin on 16 this year! I can't recall seeing it on the back right shelf on Sunday in a long time.
JN's famous putt on 16 in 1975 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfsBFrD43To (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfsBFrD43To)
atb
2020 final round hole positions
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Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Adam G on November 15, 2020, 08:35:07 AM
45 years counts as a long time  ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: David Federman on November 15, 2020, 09:10:07 AM
Watching featured groups streaming this morning. Michael Breed is providing excellent commentary on the course and the camera work is amazing. Without the "patrons" the entire course, its contours, and lay-out are visible and really breathtaking.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 15, 2020, 09:12:02 AM
Watching featured groups streaming this morning. Michael Breed is providing excellent commentary on the course and the camera work is amazing. Without the "patrons" the entire course, its contours, and lay-out are visible and really breathtaking.
Agreed!
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Pete_Pittock on November 15, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
distinct pleasure watching pros marking their balls near the hole to prevent convenient backstopping for fellow competitors. Wonder how that happened.   And is there a close resemblance between Cameron Smith and Young Tom Morris?


PS I'm on 2 1/2 tape delay so apt to get a spoiler.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Jeff Schley on November 15, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
Bernard Langer < BDC
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim Martin on November 15, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Tiger showed the big valentine today after making 10 on number twelve. He nearly ran the table from there to the house making 5 birdies in his final six holes.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 15, 2020, 01:49:04 PM
That was impressive stuff by Tiger. I had given him up for dead after that 10 on 12, as he hasn't looked himself since about half-way through yesterday's round when it appeared he tweaked his back. Way to bounce back!
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Pete_Pittock on November 15, 2020, 02:28:04 PM
Tiger showed the big valentine today after making 10 on number twelve. He nearly ran the table from there to the house making 5 birdies in his final six holes.
'obviously' a homage to all his competitors from last year on #12.    For me his 1st shot was about 5 minutes after I read this.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Bill Brightly on November 15, 2020, 02:31:49 PM
I'm sorry but the view from behind the 18th tee may be the ugliest look in tournament golf.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Hendren on November 15, 2020, 02:38:23 PM
Is that a Fairtee homage to George C. Thomas at the 8th?  Also the 10th?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on November 15, 2020, 04:30:58 PM
I have never seen DJ so emotional as he was at the interview after he won. He could barely speak. Easy to see what this win means for him.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Rob Marshall on November 15, 2020, 07:32:36 PM
I have never seen DJ so emotional as he was at the interview after he won. He could barely speak. Easy to see what this win means for him.


He played great. A very deserving champion. Really a complete player. I loved the emotion. Iíd like to see him win a bunch more.


For someone who has never been there in person. The course really looked great without patrons and I loved the drone shots.


Bryson, talking about a dizzy spell like it was a swing problem. Said something about having to work it out. Was bizarre.




Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Thomas Dai on November 16, 2020, 06:36:53 AM
We might not get to see the Masters without spectators again and thus might not see on TV some of the angles, terrain and feature views we've seen these past few days.
So for the sake of posterity here are some from the Final Days play.
atb
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em8MYpHWMAILQGh?format=jpg&name=small)


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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em8Nrp4XUAMlAOO?format=jpg&name=small)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em8Nrp2XIAAjKuY?format=jpg&name=small)


(apologies to those who may also have seen the above photos on twitter)

Later edit - this photo of the 12th green was posted on Twitter by Ian Andrew. Hope he doesn't mind me posting it here for posterity.
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Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Mike Bodo on November 16, 2020, 07:50:09 AM
Thanks for posting those pic's! Great angles of a number of greens and what the players had to contend with for their chip, pitch and sand shots. The image of Tiger in the bunker on 12 is classic! It hurt me watching him try and get a stance in it to play his sixth and and 8th shots knowing he was struggling with back pain already. The awkward stance he had could not have helped matters. Good images to look back and reflect on in years to come, as there may never be a Masters sans the stands and spectators ever again. At least not in my lifetime.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: jeffwarne on November 16, 2020, 08:24:54 AM
Thanks for posting those pic's! Great angles of a number of greens and what the players had to contend with for their chip, pitch and sand shots. The image of Tiger in the bunker on 12 is classic! It hurt me watching him try and get a stance in it to play his sixth and and 8th shots knowing he was struggling with back pain already. The awkward stance he had could not have helped matters. Good images to look back and reflect on in years to come, as there may never be a Masters sans the stands and spectators ever again. At least not in my lifetime.


great stuff.
Given the decisions have to be made well out...It is hard to see full on spectators in less than 5 months, but I'm hoping to be wrong about that.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Thomas Dai on November 17, 2020, 05:10:56 AM
Worth a read - https://thefriedegg.com/2020-masters-musings-augusta-national-decisions-recoveries-maintenance/
No shooting postmen though:)
atb
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Sean_A on November 17, 2020, 06:38:44 AM
I'm sorry but the view from behind the 18th tee may be the ugliest look in tournament golf.

The entire course except the greens looks ugly.


Ciao
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim Martin on November 17, 2020, 06:57:02 AM
I'm sorry but the view from behind the 18th tee may be the ugliest look in tournament golf.

The entire course except the greens looks ugly.


Ciao


Sean-Have you attended the tournament?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Sean_A on November 17, 2020, 07:08:55 AM
I'm sorry but the view from behind the 18th tee may be the ugliest look in tournament golf.

The entire course except the greens looks ugly.

Ciao

Sean-Have you attended the tournament?

Yes.

Ciao
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Tim Martin on November 17, 2020, 07:14:14 AM
I'm sorry but the view from behind the 18th tee may be the ugliest look in tournament golf.

The entire course except the greens looks ugly.

Ciao

Sean-Have you attended the tournament?

Yes.

Ciao


Did you feel the same(ugly besides greens) when you were on site or is that just as a TV viewer? Only asking as Iím interested in your viewpoint. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Sean_A on November 17, 2020, 07:33:42 AM
I'm sorry but the view from behind the 18th tee may be the ugliest look in tournament golf.

The entire course except the greens looks ugly.

Ciao

Sean-Have you attended the tournament?

Yes.

Ciao

Did you feel the same(ugly besides greens) when you were on site or is that just as a TV viewer? Only asking as Iím interested in your viewpoint. Thanks.


Yes, once over the wow factor, I did think the course looked far too much like a garden rather than a golf course. Its the Augusta thing, but the visuals don't do much for me. At the time, nearly all US courses with a decent size budget were of a similar bent. Naturalism hadn't made a real comeback as of yet.  But I think these days, Augusta really stands out as a brazen artificial course.


Ciao
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: jeffwarne on November 17, 2020, 08:01:33 AM
I'm sorry but the view from behind the 18th tee may be the ugliest look in tournament golf.

The entire course except the greens looks ugly.

Ciao

Sean-Have you attended the tournament?

Yes.

Ciao

Did you feel the same(ugly besides greens) when you were on site or is that just as a TV viewer? Only asking as Iím interested in your viewpoint. Thanks.


I did think the course looked far too much like a garden rather than a golf course.  Naturalism hadn't made a real comeback as of yet.


Ciao


yeah, it's almost like it looked like.......a nursery.....
:)  ;)

Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Kalen Braley on November 17, 2020, 12:38:43 PM
Sean,

I can understand if you thought ANGC was not your cup of tea, I get it...

But ugly?  Can you be more specific?
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Sean_A on November 17, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
Sean,

I can understand if you thought ANGC was not your cup of tea, I get it...

But ugly?  Can you be more specific?

The ever so twee garden style is rather ugly to my eye. As I say, the saving grace is the greens. While the greens share the monochrome green of the remainder of the property, their dedication to the purpose of golf is nothing like a garden. The greens are bold and brash among a sea of visual dullness.

Ciao
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Peter Pallotta on November 17, 2020, 05:30:33 PM
Sean - thanks much, your last two posts contained particularly good and descriptive terms & concepts that for me had relevance not limited to Augusta.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Bernie Bell on November 17, 2020, 06:01:37 PM
Sean - thanks much, your last two posts contained particularly good and descriptive terms & concepts that for me had relevance not limited to Augusta.
+1.  I have filed away "ever so twee."  Pairs well with frilly bunkers and other woke golf emblems, IMO.
Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Kalen Braley on November 17, 2020, 06:23:31 PM
I guess i'm still lost in translation here.  Sounds like ANGC is just not your thing, akin to the preferences we all have for music, ladies, dining options, housing styles, etc. that no doubt vary greatly...

But still having difficulty seeing anything that would be considered "ugly" in any way, shape, or form in the countless hours of TV coverage and pics I've seen of the place.

P.S.  I can scarcely recall a course I've seen or played where the greens didn't stand out from its surrounds.  Maybe TOC?


Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: jeffwarne on November 17, 2020, 06:49:25 PM
I guess i'm still lost in translation here.  Sounds like ANGC is just not your thing, akin to the preferences we all have for music, ladies, dining options, housing styles, etc. that no doubt vary greatly...

But still having difficulty seeing anything that would be considered "ugly" in any way, shape, or form in the countless hours of TV coverage and pics I've seen of the place.

P.S.  I can scarcely recall a course I've seen or played where the greens didn't stand out from its surrounds.  Maybe TOC?


Despite being a homer, I can see a litte bit of Sean's point.
18 green and approach certainly is no aesthetic charmer nor are other holes such as 4,1,5,9 etc.
But the holes play well for pros, like 3 in the other discussion.
Just a bit of RTJ meets Emerrald City and Mr. Clean
The area on 18 left about 250-270(which wasn't in play with the old tee) is a mess of bushes and screening to hide all the infrastructure there.Watched Bernhard hit it onto a keg there a year ago.

Title: Re: 2020 Masters
Post by: Sean_A on November 17, 2020, 09:23:43 PM
I guess i'm still lost in translation here.  Sounds like ANGC is just not your thing, akin to the preferences we all have for music, ladies, dining options, housing styles, etc. that no doubt vary greatly...

But still having difficulty seeing anything that would be considered "ugly" in any way, shape, or form in the countless hours of TV coverage and pics I've seen of the place.

P.S.  I can scarcely recall a course I've seen or played where the greens didn't stand out from its surrounds.  Maybe TOC?

I take your point. That said, even as a garden I don't find Augusta attractive. Again, the hand of man is far too heavy.

Ciao