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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Sean_A on July 04, 2018, 05:57:22 AM
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A late comer in terms of Scottish golf, Luffness New wasn’t founded until 1894. Although, courses pre-date the club. The original course was located mostly on what eventually became the first Nature Reserve in the UK. Some holes of the current course play over the original land. To complicate the origins of Luffness even more, Golfers in Aberlady played over a nearby makeshift course which unfortunately was also a rifle range. As one can imagine, the military firing range made life difficult for golfers. In stepped one Mr Hope, the Laird of Luffness, who engaged Old Tom Morris to build a course in 1867 which would be known as Luffness. Issues arose when it was discovered this course encroached on Gullane Common. Being an unsatisfactory situation a new course was built, yet again with the help of Old Tom Morris. This 5200 yard course was to be known as Luffness New GC. For a few years the two clubs co-existed on adjacent courses until the Aberlady golfers returned to the rifle range site adjacent to Craigielaw Farm (part of which is now a course and upscale housing estate) and created Kilspindie GC by 1899 using a course designed by Willie Park Jr and Ben Sayers. Once the Aberlady golfers vacated the site, the New club incorporated holes from the old course. It is believed some holes on the current #2 and #3 courses of Gullane GC also incorporated holes from the old course. The course Old Tom Morris and Mr Hope built over 120 years ago is largely the same today as ten greens and twelve fairways remain in use.
Many will notice far more than 18 flags dotted about when driving along the A198 which splits the Luffness New and Gullane courses. There are far more holes on the seaside of the road where many holes of the three Gullane courses are hidden by Gullane Hill. Being adjacent to the three courses of Gullane Common, it isn’t surprising to find strong similarities between Luffness New and Gullane's three courses. That is, basically flat courses with the odd substantial elevation change. Luffness New does have some very interesting greens and a few holes with bunkering crossing fairways. For the most part, however, the bunkering is rather timidly placed in right/left fairway positions.
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There are five holes on the house side of the property, but the first four make up a wonderful boozer loop...1 par three, 1 shortish par four, 1 medium par four and a par five. Given that we had a contrary wind from the north, the crossing bunkers on this original OTM opening hole (with a new tee some 50 yards further back) didn't quite have the impact they might.
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The second played very tough and was only reachable for reasonably long hitters. The tricky third (another original OTM hole) too played fairly long. Because much of the course is flatish it can be difficult to determine green edges. I have said it before but it is elements such as this which yardage guns mitigate and I think it a great shame. In any case, the 3rd features a large green with significant surface movement.
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As if playing around a race course, the boozers' loop arcs beautifully back to the welcoming house. After a drive turning left over a slight rise, we come to another interesting green.
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I'm really looking forward to this review. I played Luffness in the Spring (well, a couple of days after the Elie get together was snowed off!) and liked it a lot. Indeed, I think it may be the second best 18 in Gullane.
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Sean's 3rd picture is of a Par 3 for those that haven't played there.
I wonder if this shades it as the best section of the course. It makes a great start but would also make a great finsh right in front of the clubouse. 5 is located well for a (tough) opening hole.
Liked the course a lot with a fine set of greens. The nearer they are to the Clubhouse the more interesting they were.
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SO pleased to see this, not least as I have been waxing lyrical about the understated charm of Luffness to Ran (and others) for several years now. The first time I went there, in 1997, we enjoyed it so much we played 50 holes (in March), then 36 at Muirfield the next day before driving back to Cambridge that same evening. Those were the days! I have been back at intervals since, with another outing booked for September, and have always had a really lovely time at a quiet and thoroughly congenial place for a game of golf, nicely in contrast with the general business of golf in this part of East Lothian. Looking forward to the rest of Sean's tour, and I do hope he agrees with me...
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Tony
Correct, the 3rd photo is the par 3 third. We played it with a front right pin which made it challenging. The other time I played there it was back left which was even more challenging and fun. For the length of shot, for most of us there will be a fair degree of bounce and run and that greens allows you to do it well, particularly to the back left pin.
Sean
When you say it is flat I kind of know what you mean. It certainly doesn't have the humps and hollows of NB but it has plenty of more subtle movement and gradual elevational change.
Niall
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Well done Sean. Looking forward to the next installment.
Have you come across any evidence of Benjamin Hall-Blyth's involvement in the various (and confusing) course iterations?
Bob
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Like others I've driven more than a few times on the road that crosses the course and have always been impressed with what is visible through the car windscreen so nice to have the opportunity to learn more. Looking forward to the rest of the tour. As an aside, there's something rather attractive about white clubhouses with expansive windows and red roofs.
atb
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Wow Sean that collection of fairway bunkers on #1 look like old WWII bombed out gun turrets from the Atlantic Wall.
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SO pleased to see this, not least as I have been waxing lyrical about the understated charm of Luffness to Ran (and others) for several years now. The first time I went there, in 1997, we enjoyed it so much we played 50 holes (in March), then 36 at Muirfield the next day before driving back to Cambridge that same evening. Those were the days! I have been back at intervals since, with another outing booked for September, and have always had a really lovely time at a quiet and thoroughly congenial place for a game of golf, nicely in contrast with the general business of golf in this part of East Lothian. Looking forward to the rest of Sean's tour, and I do hope he agrees with me...
Second that. I first played It I the early 90’s. Some of the best putting surfaces in Scotland. A joy to roll the ball and know that it will be true.
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Bob
No mention of your man Hall-Blyth, but his name is on a course map for Kilspindie.
Niall
I think we are on the same page. Its the camera that tells me the story and an awful lot of holes are hard to shoot because there is so little elevation change. The changes tend to come in spurts. Makes for a good walk!
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The 5th tee provides a second convenient starting point which gives Luffness a superb split of 4 & 14. I think an uneven split is far better than 9 & 9 for a private club. If stuck, one can even try to tee off on 13! Perhaps the best non-par 3 on the club side of the A198, the 5th moves gently uphill and left. There are bunkers protecting the turn, but in truth the rough is more than enough of a deterrent. I will say that on hard ground it doesn't take much of a hook to hit the road on the approach...gulp.
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We cross the road for the short 6th. This hole apparently replaced the famous Quarry hole...maybe the club should rethink this! The hole is fine, but in no way special. The 7th, however, is very good as the land is used well and yet in a relatively gentle manner. Playing uphill from tee to green, the putting surface is fairly narrow and will reward a straight drive.
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The 8th takes us straight back down the hill. A well placed swale must be negotiated to gauge the rollout for the approach.
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The 9th fairway suddenly drops about halfway to the green. It is very easy to wing a drive down the middle and it ends up left never to be seen it again. For some reason the 10th really appeals to me. A flat hole with all in view, its 195 (white tees) yards can play deceptively long.
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Ciao
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A tough hole for being a relatively short par 4; the blind drive 11th is a bit unsettling. A very short two-shotter follows, but with the wind whipping up and a bevy of bunkers to contend with, the 12th is no push-over. In fact, with a northerly wind much of the back nine played quite difficult. Below is a photo of the 12th green from the right rough. Three bunkers look as if they are hard on the green, but they are set back some 25 yards...in readiness for a downwind tee shot.
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Turning back downwind, the 13th is 65 yards longer than the 12th and it played at least 25 yards shorter. There is evidence dotted about the course of filled in bunkers.
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The course finishes with a series of back and forth holes at angles not quite presented previously. The best feature of Luffness is the routing makes excellent use of the wind. The lone par 5 on the back nine, #14, slides a bit left and predictably plays through a mess of bunkers. Most of the tees are quite close to the previous greens. It is easy to see how a hook might brain folks trying to play the 15th. As such, this is one of the few holes with serious man-made features in the form of mounds separating the green from the 15th tee.
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Ciao
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It has been 25 years since I played Luffness New, and I have been encouraging friends to try and play it ever since. When I played it,Luffness New had some of the best putting surfaces I have ever seen....right up there with Royal Melbourne, Oakmont, and Augusta.
I was traveling around Scotland with my foursome. After playing nearly all of the "famous" courses, we stumbled across Luffness New which none of us had ever heard of. We sent our best negotiator in to ask if we could be allowed to play. After about 30 minutes, he came back out and announced that we could play. He said, "the secretary said no 20 times, but on the 21st he said yes". It turned out to be the most unanticipated treat of our entire trip. After the round we were invited into their "dirty bar" where we enjoyed several pints and the hospitality of the members.
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It has been 25 years since I played Luffness New, and I have been encouraging friends to try and play it ever since. When I played it,Luffness New had some of the best putting surfaces I have ever seen....right up there with Royal Melbourne, Oakmont, and Augusta.
I was traveling around Scotland with my foursome. After playing nearly all of the "famous" courses, we stumbled across Luffness New which none of us had ever heard of. We sent our best negotiator in to ask if we could be allowed to play. After about 30 minutes, he came back out and announced that we could play. He said, "the secretary said no 20 times, but on the 21st he said yes". It turned out to be the most unanticipated treat of our entire trip. After the round we were invited into their "dirty bar" where we enjoyed several pints and the hospitality of the members.
Jim,
Luffness New would have normally required a written request to play 25 years ago as did quite a few similar clubs. However, if you wrote you would always get an invite.
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Luffness certainly has an air of refinement...I am not convinced the course quite lives up to all that.
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The cut lines leading to the fairways betray Luffness somewhat...it makes many of the holes look very similar. Mind you, the bunker scheme doesn't help matters. Another short par 4, however, 15 plays over lovely rumpled terrain.
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It seems to me that it is often the case where the same type of hole is presented, but with a different wind direction. For sure, Luffness could use more man made variation to make up for what the terrain lacks.
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The 16th is a short hole which played straight down wind on the day. Its difficult to hold the green, but doable.
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We now run home with two holes beating back into the breeze. I was taken by the 17th because of the green. The fallaway on the right and the blind sloping ground beyond the bunkers gives the hole some pizzaz.
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Much longer than 17, the home hole is formidable. The tee shot legs left between sentinel bunkers. There was talk about narrow fairways, but I thought they were decent width given their flatish nature. For sure, a few extra yards would have been welcome as more balls were lost at Luffness than the other two courses played on this trip, by quite some margin.
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The green is cradled by major earthworks, I suspect to protect the A198 and provide a bit of privacy to finish a game. There is a good false front which encourages running play, especially with a back stop providing security.
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The final few holes are a good finish to Luffness and a fine course it is. I enjoyed seeing the course as I have tried for 20 years to get there, but it never worked out until now. In retrospect, I think it is better to don the jacket and tie for a luncheon feast prior to playing as Luffness is one of those all-encompassing clubs which demands a bit of time and effort. However, the course is well off the mark of a top echelon Scottish course. Luffness is pleasurable, easy walking, challenging enough, good routing, but the man-made elements of the course don't add enough variety to the package. And this despite some very good greens which were a bit slow (undertandably given the lack of rain), but otherwise in fine nick. 2018
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Sean,
Nice tour and thanks for posting. Did Luffness score on the Arble scale?
It’s too bad you skipped lunch, even for Bruntsfield Links, as it’s a fine addition to a day of golf at Luffness.
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Sean,
Nice tour and thanks for posting. Did Luffness score on the Arble scale?
It’s too bad you skipped lunch, even for Bruntsfield Links, as it’s a fine addition to a day of golf at Luffness.
The quality of the food is as good as I have had at a British golf club.
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Sean,
Nice tour and thanks for posting. Did Luffness score on the Arble scale?
It’s too bad you skipped lunch, even for Bruntsfield Links, as it’s a fine addition to a day of golf at Luffness.
David
No stars for Luffness, but I think its a good trip filler if we concede that North Berwick, Muirfield and few others are the top draws. What I think is special about Luffness is the entire package. In this way it is sort of a mini Muirfield, but for golfers on some sort of budget....even so £95 is a bit steep. Luffness is roughly comparable in quality as Kilspindie...good course...I would think a solid Doak 6.
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I thought this was a simply wonderful track and would love to play round after round there. It may lack famous holes with stunning back drops but every shot was interesting and there was enough there to let me know tomorrows round will offer a whole host of different shots. Real golf in the best sense of the word.
I can see why its not high on the list for tourists but they overlook a subtle charmer at their peril. I liked the scale and the pace and preferred it to e.g. Gullane 1.
I will never turn down the chance of another round there. I strongly doubt if multiple plays would reveal it to be quite a notch below the very best, I suspect the exact opposite. Easily a Doak 6 and a return with the wind in the other direction could see that score quickly revised upwards.
PS thanks again for taking the time to do the tour.
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Thanks for the photo-tour and the comments. Sounds like somewhere I might rather like.
Atb
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I can see why its not high on the list for tourists but they overlook a subtle charmer at their peril. I liked the scale and the pace and preferred it to e.g. Gullane 1.
I will never turn down the chance of another round there. I strongly doubt if multiple plays would reveal it to be quite a notch below the very best, I suspect the exact opposite. Easily a Doak 6 and a return with the wind in the other direction could see that score quickly revised upwards.
I enjoyed Luffness far more than Gullane 1. A far superior course in my book.
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I can see why its not high on the list for tourists but they overlook a subtle charmer at their peril. I liked the scale and the pace and preferred it to e.g. Gullane 1.
I will never turn down the chance of another round there. I strongly doubt if multiple plays would reveal it to be quite a notch below the very best, I suspect the exact opposite. Easily a Doak 6 and a return with the wind in the other direction could see that score quickly revised upwards.
I enjoyed Luffness far more than Gullane 1. A far superior course in my book.
You don't think several holes are much of a muchness. I am sure that if a good archie were let loose that something better could be had.
Ciao
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Sean
Tom Simpson provided the club with a report and I've been meaning to track it down to see what he proposed and whether the club followed through. I don't know Simpsons work well enough to guess one way or the other whether they did.
Niall
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You don't think several holes are much of a muchness...same issue with Gullane really. I am sure that if a good archie were let loose on both properties that something better could be had.
That certainly wasn't the impression I came away with after a couple of rounds. I think the rhythm of the round is great, the first handful offer different challenges and get the round going really well. Then there's a string of good, solid, golf. It may be possible to improve but, in my book, it's far more interesting than Gullane 1 (I should say that I think Gullane 1 is horribly overrated).
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Wonderful tour, Sean... I hope to make it there someday.
Although if it's that much better than my beloved Gullane #1 as Mark contends, perhaps my heart couldn't take it! :)
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Mark
I like the front nine quite a bit, especially the holes on the club side of the road as they have the best greens. The back nine is a bit uninspired and this impression isn't helped by the back and forth holes from the 14th. A better bunker scheme and more features like the mounding on 14 and 18 would help individualize these holes. Still, if invited, I would be happy to return.
Mike...cheers.
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Sean,
I think you have a point with the last few holes though I wondered whether simply varying the width of some of the fairways/playing corridors would help alleviate this. I found the course to be my favourite of the four on Gullane Hill.
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Sean,
I think you have a point with the last few holes though I wondered whether simply varying the width of some of the fairways/playing corridors would help alleviate this. I found the course to be my favourite of the four on Gullane Hill.
I think that's right. I agree that the front 9 is stronger than the back but the rhythm of the course is good, you're engaged from the get go and the whole place has a nice feel. Perhaps the last 4 could be improved but a good step up from the Gullane courses.
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Sean,
I think you have a point with the last few holes though I wondered whether simply varying the width of some of the fairways/playing corridors would help alleviate this. I found the course to be my favourite of the four on Gullane Hill.
I think that's right. I agree that the front 9 is stronger than the back but the rhythm of the course is good, you're engaged from the get go and the whole place has a nice feel. Perhaps the last 4 could be improved but a good step up from the Gullane courses.
I admit to not being totally won over by any of the Gullanes, but #3 turns my head most...its just a shame technology has overcome the very clever design to some degree. In any case, I do intend to return because its been a long time since I played any of the Gullanes. Kilspindie is the clear personal favourite over Luffness, but I don't think there is anything between them in terms of quality. Kilspindie has higher highs and lower lows. Luffness is more consistent, but far less thrilling. It all depends on one's disposition. I note that Doak comes down 4 for K, 6 for G#1 and 5 for LN. To me, Kilspindie is done the greatest harm. To put it in context, Kilspindie would just about make my Happy 100 along with Dunbar, but not Luffness or the top two Gullanes.
Ciao
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Sean,
I suppose it shows the differences in peoples tastes. Having played Kilspindie a lot and in all weather condition with all standards of golfer I have been amazed at its versatility. It is playable in all conditions and for all standards in a way that I have never seen any other course including TOC do. Yet it remains a challenge and fun at the same time. Due to this it is my favourite course and the one that I would be most happy to play each day. You have it just scraping into you top fun 100 where as it is certainly top in mine.
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I’m a big fan of golf at Gullane, and think of G1 as being a bigger version of G2 and in turn G2 being a bigger version of G3. I’ve not played G1 for a good many years so my memories are a bit hazy but I’d still say I prefer 2 and 3. G2 takes more hitting but G3 is perhaps more fun. Where I diverge from Sean is that I tend to think increased length and therefore the improvement in technology, isn’t necessarily a friend at G3 as it’s easy to try and over power it and end up blindsided.
The thing that makes Gullane is that you have to work with the slope and the run. That’s something that even the pro’s had to do last week. If I was putting together a composite course I’d start with the holes on the clubhouse side of the road at Luffness New which is probably the best stretch of golf at Gullane, finish with the last few holes at Kilspindie and the rest would be a mix of G1, 2 and 3.
Niall
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Sean,Thanks for the tour. I'm certainly intrigued enough to want to visit there sometime.
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I really like Kilspindie (but top of a Happy 100 ahead of Elie? Wash your mouth out Mr Wiggett!) but agree with Sean that it's high are higher but its lows lower than Luffness. For me, Luffness has it over Kilspindie because of its rhythm. There are a couple of points at Kilspindie when the routing gets a bit awkward (a long walk back to a tee, a long walk around the house on the corner) and the obvious problems with the routing in the corner by the houses just mean that a round there doesn't quite flow like a round at Luffness.
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I really like Kilspindie (but top of a Happy 100 ahead of Elie? Wash your mouth out Mr Wiggett!) but agree with Sean that it's high are higher but its lows lower than Luffness. For me, Luffness has it over Kilspindie because of its rhythm. There are a couple of points at Kilspindie when the routing gets a bit awkward (a long walk back to a tee, a long walk around the house on the corner) and the obvious problems with the routing in the corner by the houses just mean that a round there doesn't quite flow like a round at Luffness.
On the other hand, there are few disruptions to golf equal to crossing a 60mph road...which Luffness has. I will take the walk from 8 to 9 at Kilspindie any day over that. Although, I do wonder why the 9th isn't a shorter hole legging left around the 7th green? This was the only awkward routing element I discerned. That said, the flow of the course is heavily dominated by the front side with holes near the water. But the flow of Luffness is a bit marred in the final five holes.
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Mark,
I haven't played Elie more than a couple of times so it is difficult to compare though I do like it and it is in my top 5 but not ahead of Kilspindie I am afraid.
Sean,
the 9th in its format from 20 years ago was a wonderful straight up the hill reachable par four. Should have been an easy birdie but was an even easier bogey. It is a shame it has been altered.
As for LN it is a solid course with a good rhythm as Mark says but the charm is in the whole experience but the course itself lacks that somewhat. The course at Kilspindie or Elie for the matter has charm in buckets.
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Sean,
the 9th in its format from 20 years ago was a wonderful straight up the hill reachable par four. Should have been an easy birdie but was an even easier bogey. It is a shame it has been altered.
As for LN it is a solid course with a good rhythm as Mark says but the charm is in the whole experience but the course itself lacks that somewhat. The course at Kilspindie or Elie for the matter has charm in buckets.
Jon
K's 9th tee used to be further left to make it straight?
I agree RE Luffness. It certainly lacks the charm of Kilspindie and Elie. That said, the course is good and worth a go if nearby.
Ciao
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As a 1st time visitor to Scotland earlier this year, when driving to play Gullane #2, I had no idea the holes of Luffness was a separate golf course! I just thought those were the holes of #3. Not until reading this thread did I know any different. Haha.
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As a 1st time visitor to Scotland earlier this year, when driving to play Gullane #2, I had no idea the holes of Luffness was a separate golf course! I just thought those were the holes of #3. Not until reading this thread did I know any different. Haha.
Its a strange thing around Gullane. There is often a ton of flags on view, but its confusing as to which belong to which course and there are tons of flags not on view. Plus, Muirfield can be spied. I don't know, maybe Renaissance can also be seen from Gullane. Add in all the nearby courses and it boggles the mind.
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