Golf Club Atlas
GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Garland Bayley on February 15, 2018, 11:47:53 PM
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I have never played this course, but I took the opportunity of attending the LPGA event there last summer to take pictures from outside the ropes. I am hoping those who have played and love this Macan gem will comment on the holes as they see appropriate. I actually thought perhaps Bill McBride could contribute to this thread when I did it, but unfortunately just as I was about to push the button to start this thread I saw Ward had started a thread letting us know that Bill has just passed away. RIP Ace McBride.
Pete Pittock supplied a 1936 aerial so we can see the differences between then and now. One significant change to note is the original clubhouse was across the road from the course. It burned down so at least 10 and 9 were shortened to make room for a new club house on the same side of the road as the course.
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#1 limited two shot reachability in Macan lingo. Par 5 for the rest of us.
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If you click on the link below, it will take you to the course tour on the clubs website where you can click ? to learn how to get yardages, see close ups of the greens, go to other holes, etc.
https://course.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/course/course/columbiaedgewatercc/aerial.htm
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I am curious to see and learn more about this course. I have always heard positive things about this club. From what I understand, you can get a nice game there, a lot of members are good players.
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As can be seen in the pictures of #1, there are ponds on the course. The course is close to the Columbia river, so there are naturally low swampy areas in the property. Apparently some of the ponds have been created in these low areas to formalize the boundaries of the wetland. I haven't been on property enough to determine if all ponds are from natural lowlands.
Although the first hole would be in what Macan classified as a hole on the boundary of reachablity in two shots, the danger presented by the ponds would preclude everyone but the most talented from taking on the danger. You know the likes of Michelle and Lexi.
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#2 drive and pitch
This is my favorite hole on the course as an outside observer. Of the tee, how far do you hit it, and what is your target on that line. Driving all out will probably leave you deep in the hollow below the green with not exactly the best place to approach the green from.
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#3 Three shot hole
According to Riste's biography of Macan, building three shot holes was not typical of Macan and his philosophy. His target yardage was 6200 to 6400 yards for a par 72. Clearly there has been length added to the course as the middle set of tees measure 6380 for a par 71. I have to wonder if this hole has been lengthened to make it into a three shotter, as losing 100 yards would still keep it within the overall length he desired.
The uniqueness of this hole is that it is in a half-pipe. Half-pipes have a precedence in Oregon as Astoria has four half-pipe par 4s. The difference here is that the greens at Astoria are in the half-pipe, which I think adds more interest/quirk than this hole at Columbia Edgewater.
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Sorry to say, this is not a course I would relish to play a couple time a week. I also played Eastmoreland and North Course at the Reserve. Whilst not actually playing Edgewater, I think I'd pick the Reserve as first choice. We have many greatly treed courses here as well. But, I can't think of one top quality course here that 'feels' quite as claustrophobic as this... pictures not always telling all, I admit. :)
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Dick,
I like you have played North and Eastmoreland, but not Edgewater. I would pick Edgewater every time over those other two. If Bill were with us, he would tell you the trees appear far worse in pictures than in reality. That is not to say they couldn't stand thinning, but there are far worse out here.
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Garland,
This could be a good tour. C-E is where good players congregate and at one time C-E may have had the best percentage of low handicap golfers in the US. At OGA team championships C-E usually fields two or three teams and even the 3rd team is usually in contention. The 1955 Walker Cup team had two C-E members, Bruce Cudd and Dick Yost. Amongst its pros were Jerry Mowlds, Dan Hixson and Gene "Bunny" Mason, the last one one of Bill McBride's go to anecdotes. A top 100 teachers and two architects! While Macan's routing remains intact, there is very little of his work remaining.
When the tours come to town (it held a number of PGA events in the 50s and 60s) the nines are reversed from the inside/outside loops to outside/inside loops. Garland's tour starts with the inside sequence, which matches their scorecard.
I have played there about 10-15 times and been a rules official there at least double that.
One day I got a call from Jim Urbina, who had a Portland layover. Squired him around C-E, Riverside and Colwood, all
Macan courses near the airport. Outside of an old routing map of Colwood, he concluded there was little Macan groundwork left
#1. The green area has been extensively reworked, the green is doubled in size and the hole has been extended about 25 yards. Right side water is usually out of play unless extricating from a too left side tee shot
#2. Also one of my favorite holes. The pictures do not do justice to the elevation of the green above the low point. Unless the green is driveable a laid up tee shot is advisable.
#3 This was another reachable par 5. It has been extended about 50 yards and the green moved 25 yds to the right.
The rest of the inside loop is pretty much the same as it has been although most greens are reworked.
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When the tours come to town (it held a number of PGA events in the 50s and 60s) the nines are reversed from the inside/outside loops to outside/inside loops. Garland's tour starts on the inside loop.
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There is room around the 9th green for setting up viewing stands. That is why you will see stands when we get to 9, as the 9s are reversed for tour events. I am posting in the order everyone else playing it will see, 1-18.
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#3 This was another reachable par 5. It has been extended about 50 yards and the green moved 25 yds to the right.
The rest of the inside loop is pretty much the same as it has been.
This explains why the hole as it is now is outside a typical Macan layout. Shortening this hole brings the course closer to his ideal of 6 holes that border on reachability in two.
I thought perhaps the green would have been moved on this hole and almost said so when I posted my commentary.
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#4 One-shotter
Macan typically had 4 one-shotters in his courses, and at hole four we have the first one.
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#5 Drive and pitch
With large sequoia trees on the corner of this dogleg, it appears a good drive is essential. This shows a shortcoming of treed courses as it takes recovery shots out of play, and forces plotting an indirect path to the green and not reaching the putting surface in the standard number of shots. Unfortunately, this has been adopted as how golf should be by a huge portion of the golfing public.
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Garland,
the course looks like a typical Swiss golf course. Certainly the bunkering, contours and green complexes look very good but it looks like it is ruined by all those trees. Is it really so incredibly tight as your photos suggest?
Jon
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Garland,
the course looks like a typical Swiss golf course. Certainly the bunkering, contours and green complexes look very good but it looks like it is ruined by all those trees. Is it really so incredibly tight as your photos suggest?
Jon
Let me take a look on Google Earth and get back to you. ;)
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Looks pretty wide open compared to a lot of the courses around here.
Macan was a disciple of MacKenzie, and preferred trees in groups not lines. I don't actually know the history of CE with respect to trees, but there certainly are groupings of the biggest trees.
MacKenzie of course said that the greatest shots he had seen were recovery shots around groups of trees.
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#6 if 350 is the border between Macan's drive and pitch holes, and what he calls drive and iron holes; and if the white tee lengths are indicative of what he built, then this is the third and final drive and pitch hole, thereby matching his "formula" of three per course. It also means that all three are in the first 6 holes of the course. But, since the course is configured as an inside loop followed by an outside loop it would be understandable that there would be less room on the inside loop to extend the holes longer on the inside.
The hole doglegs fairly sharply right. If you drive left, you are left with a more open approach to the green. If you drive right, you of course are left with a shorter approach.
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Garland,
the course looks like a typical Swiss golf course. Certainly the bunkering, contours and green complexes look very good but it looks like it is ruined by all those trees. Is it really so incredibly tight as your photos suggest?
Jon
It has been a few years since I last played CECC. Probably a 50 yard wide corridor, rough is usually 1 1/4 - 1 1/2". I never felt constrained by the trees, but knew I would be in them a couple of times. For me the two hardest driving holes were 4 and 6.
#4 because I would be leery of left trees on the tee shot and consequently bring the right trees into play on the approach.
#6 because it is a considerable dogleg and I would hit through the fairway into the left trees to avoid the right corner and open up the hole from the green right-fronting bunker.
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#7 one shotter
This is the longest par 3 on the course. Fairly level but steep drop off the back of the green.
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#8 drive and iron hole
This is not a memorable hole for me, so I don't have much to say. The massive trees seen in the picture are there to screen a view of the maintenance facility from the course.
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8 non memorable? Triple level green. Along with #16 (if played as a 4 par) this probably plays the most over par. Putting is difficult, but not near as hard as playing a close-in recovery shot.
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Remember Pete, I have never actually played the course.
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Garland, Pete,
thanks for the answers. It does look an interesting course.
Jon
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It would appear that TD has rated 4 courses in the Portland, OR area with the following scores.
Waverly 7
Pumpkin Ridge Witch Hollow 6
Pumpkin Ridge Ghost Creek 5
Columbia Edgewater 5
I should note that he did these ratings after Gil Hanse updated Waverly and removed tons of trees.
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#9 Drive and iron
With a pond fronting the green on the left, probably one best place the drive near the fairway bunker on the right to open up more of the front of the green for approach. I am not a fan of ponds, so I wonder what the original green complex was like. I don't think Macan used such water hazards to guard greens. Macan's philosophy was no green side bunkers past the halfway point of the green. Macan wished to encourage the bold approach so I suspect the bunkers at the back are not original, and if the pond was original strongly struck shots to clear it should not be penalized by a bunker in the back.
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Garland,
Why did you park the cart so close to the green ? As you surmised earlier, the pond was a low area, maybe swampy, as was the case with #4. The fairway bunkering has been changed since my first encounter,
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Garland,
Why did you park the cart so close to the green ? As you surmised earlier, the pond was a low area, maybe swampy, as was the case with #4. The fairway bunkering has been changed since my first encounter,
Because I wanted the exercise gained by walking all the way around the stands to near 1 tee to take the picture. ;)
Actually, the only people I saw in carts were rules officials so I assume that cart was parked by one of your friends.
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check your PM. I have a 1936 aerial photo for you, and figured I'd let you figure out where to put it into the thread.
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#10 Drive and iron
Again a hole that doglegs around a group of sequoia trees. Green is on top of a small hill. I like this hole as I have a fondness for uphill approaches. Apparently that is not a common thing. ;)
In the historic picture you can see the club house that burned down in 1971. In the recent picture you can see that it is relocated on land where at least the 10 tee was, and maybe with the nearby proshop some additional parts of 9, 1, and possibly 18 are displaced.
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#11 One-shotter
Since I am not a fan of ponds, and there are only two par three holes not fronted by ponds, this would be my favorite par three on the course.
Other than additional teeing area added to the back of the hole, this hole looks very much like the Macan original seen in the historic picture.
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#11 One-shotter
Since I am not a fan of ponds, and there are only two par three holes not fronted by ponds, this would be my favorite par three on the course.
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Funny, I'd have picked the other water free par three. It is uphill, and you mention that's your preference on the 10th. 7th requires a pure shot, this one doesn't.
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My recollection of the 7th is that it is pretty flat.
The elevation profile on Google Earth shows 7 green 2 feet higher than the tee.
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If you click on the link below, it will take you to the course tour on the clubs website where you can click ? to learn how to get yardages, see close ups of the greens, go to other holes, etc.
https://course.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/course/course/columbiaedgewatercc/aerial.htm
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#12 Drive and iron
In the looking back image from behind the green, it occurs to me that the bunkers are not visible. I have to wonder if this is another attribute he got from MacKenzie.
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#13 Drive and iron
Thanks to Pete Pittock, I now have a 1933 aerial to supplement the tour with. Can't help but notice that the fairway is a lot wider back in 1933.
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#14 Limit of reachability
As a lefty who's tee ball typically turns varying degrees to the left, this hole suits my eye, and would be my second favorite nearly reachable hole on the course. The tee shot is uphill a bit, so when you get to the drive the ball will be below my feet as a mollydooker for the second shot which is nearly 90 degrees to the left of the direction the ball was driven.
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Garland,
I don't know if you are aware that the clubhouse position has changed since the 1936 aerial.
The clubhouse and parking lot were located between Marine Dr. and the Columbia River. They had a decorated tree in the lobby at Christmas time of 1971. It caught fire and the clubhouse burned to the ground. They were not allowed to rebuild because of PDX flight paths. The relocated clubhouse probably affected 1,9, and 10. The 18th green and the west side of the pro-shop probably in the same positions.
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#15 Drive and iron
Tee is will above the fairway, so it is a downhill tee shot leaving an approach into a bit of a punch bowl green. When the ladies hit it too far through the green the had problems getting it up and down with a downhill lie in tall grass.
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#16 Limit of reachability
This is my second favorite hole on the course. The landing area for the drive has a turbo boost that I have seen three or four other times on Mac's courses. The current rendition of the hole is hindered in my opinion by the narrowness of the fairway and trees up the right side on what could be the approach. The turbo boost is sloped so that it kicks balls to the right. With a narrow fairway, what is the point of trying to reach the turbo boost if the ball gets kicked into the rough. Furthermore, once you are kicked into the rough there is a chance that trees will block the approach.
Now that Pete has provided the historical photos, I wonder what the status of the turbo boost was back in the beginning, because it looks as low the wet area may have been at the bottom of the hill.
Following Lexi and So Yeon at the LPGA, they both drove it to the turbo boost. Lexi must have gotten it further out, as she ended up a bit in the rough at the bottom of the hill with a level lie. So Yeon ended up on small flatter shelf on the hill in the fairway. Lexi birdied (4), So Yeon parred.
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#17 One-shotter
Another pond. ::)
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#18 Drive and iron
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Gotta love a club that is prepared to put out an armada of walking golfers.
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Garland,
the course looks like a typical Swiss golf course. Certainly the bunkering, contours and green complexes look very good but it looks like it is ruined by all those trees. Is it really so incredibly tight as your photos suggest?
Jon
Now that I have seen the historical photos, it does indeed seem "incredibly tight" compared to how it started. Additionally being next to the Columbia River it will get very strong winds out of the Columbia Gorge for part of the year.
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The 3rd hole at Columbia-Edgewater, a classic AV Macan 1925 course, was lengthened by 30-40 yards by building a new green. My impression on my one play? ZZZZZZZZZ. Why spend that money? Now it's a longer walk to the 4th tee and the hole is only changed for the flat bellies who can no longer get there in two.
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A lot of older courses were built on farmland in the close in suburbs. Over the years golf committeemen, often to memorialize individuals or their own love of the forest, planted way too many trees. Oakmont is a great example. At Columbia-Edgewater in Portland, Ore, photos of the 1925 course show no trees inside the boundaries. In the '60's the club planted as many as a hundred Giant Sequoias. Fifty years later they are giant indeed. Down the river, Waverly took out hundreds of trees during its recent Gil Hanse remodel. CECC would benefit from the same.
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A top feature of Columbia-Edgewater is the best drainage in the Portland area. I have been told it is very playable when many courses are not. This will affect me not a whit, as my plan is to play CECC as much as possible in the summer and Pensacola Country Club in the rest of the year.
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Actually, it's difficult to find a course in the Northeast that couldn't be improved by a makeover from the firm of Poulan, Husqvarna & Stihl.
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Most of the courses in the Pacific Northwest could greatly benefit from that same firm's work. I guess the green committee at Columbia-Edgewater didn't realize that the young sequoias they planted in the '60's would be Giant Sequoias 50 years later. Trees don't just grow up but out as well.
When you play a course where the thought of improvements doesn't enter your mind, you know it's something special.
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On seeing Kelowna's routing.
... That's an excellent Muirfield routing, front nine clockwise around the perimeter, back nine safely inside, protecting the slicers from the OB stakes. He did the same at Columbia-Edgewater.
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Just had an email from the pro at Columbia-Edgewater who tells me that all the greens are the original Macans except for 3, 4, 9 and 17, and none slope from front to back. The new greens, mostly by Bob Cupp I think, are either flat or slope back to front.
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My former club in Portland, Columbia-Edgewater, built a great practice area off to the side for short game practice. There is a large serpentine green that can be approached from a number of angles and distances up to about 80 yards. There's also a putting green very close in speed and contour to the course's greens, and several green side bunkers. It's the best short game facility I've seen. The Macan course is very good too.
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Lou, I have joined Columbia-Edgewater CC as a non-res member. They brag on the drainage there and say that CECC is the driest course in the area. I was blown away by the movement in the fairways on this relatively flat piece of land which does have significant rolls. Take a look at the club's website (www.cecc.com) and you will see an aerial of each hole that shows the humps, bumps and rolls in the fairways. This must all take the water away pretty quickly to drain well.
Haven't played there on a rainy day yet so no first hand knowledge.
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Jeff, there are several greens at Macan's Columbia-Edgewater CC in Portland that have very subtle fall away slopes at the back and back corners. I would love to know how much those greens were changed during "renovations" over the years by Bob Cupp and others. CECC has a wonderful set of varied greens, no two really alike.
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Columbia-Edgewater has long had the reputation of having the most single digit handicaps of any club in the Pacific NW if not the country. And a wonderful short game practice area. Most walk, the club provides free push carts, and pin sheets every day. It truly is a player's club.
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Bump after searching out Bill's comments on other threads.
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Just had an email from the pro at Columbia-Edgewater who tells me that all the greens are the original Macans except for 3, 4, 9 and 17, and none slope from front to back. The new greens, mostly by Bob Cupp I think, are either flat or slope back to front.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Compare 1936 aerials with 2017 pictures.