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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Howard Riefs on December 06, 2017, 04:20:52 PM
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Golf Digest announced its best new courses for 2017…
https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017 (https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017)
Best New
1st Place: Sand Valley Golf Resort (C&C)
2nd Place: Silo Ridge Field Club (Fazio)
3rd Place: Mossy Oak Golf Club (Hanse)
Best Remodel
1st Place: Monterey Peninsula Country Club, Dunes Course (Fazio)
2nd Place: Quail Hollow Club (Fazio)
3rd Place: Torrey Pines Municipal Golf Course, North Course (Weiskopf)
Best Renovation
1st Place: TPC Sawgrass, Players Stadium Course (Wenzloff)
2nd Place: Makena Golf & Beach Club (Wise)
3rd Place: Shoal Creek (Nicklaus and Lipe)
Best Restoration
1st Place: The Greenbrier, Old White TPC Course (Foster)
2nd Place: Sankaty Head Golf Club (Urbina)
3rd Place: Golden Horseshoe Golf Club, Gold Course (Rees Jones)
Congrats to Jim on Sankaty!
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How intensive was the work at Sankaty?
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Has anyone seen Silo Ridge? Quite short for a new Fazio course at just under 6800.
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The pictures from Shoal Creek and Makena appear to be reversed. Shoal Creek does not have cart paths.
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There's not seriously a best "remodel" and a best "renovation" ::) ::) ::) ::)
thus creating room for a future best "restoration"
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Did they say how many new courses there were?
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TPC Sawgrass changes #12 and regrasses greens and its considered a renovation. And wins. That will help sell magazines.
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TPC Sawgrass changes #12 and regrasses greens and its considered a renovation. And wins. That will help sell magazines.
Don't they win that award every year?
Hopefully they're eligible for a restoration award soon...
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Odd attributions. Why does JWL get credit for Shoal Creek but Jackson & Kahn nothing for MPCC? (not meaning to say Jim doesn't deserve it btw, just in case he's reading :) )
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Re Sankaty Head. Jim Urbina work comprehensive...Master Plan'ish. Special emphasis on bunkers.
Lengthy YouTube's of Fall 2016 progress. Here is 1 of many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0GSIRY0mms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0GSIRY0mms).
Impressive
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Odd attributions. Why does JWL get credit for Shoal Creek but Jackson & Kahn nothing for MPCC? (not meaning to say Jim doesn't deserve it btw, just in case he's reading :) )
Adam,
Jackson Kahn received credit in the online and print edition of this article (original poster did not include):
[size=1rem]Best Remodel -- 1st Place: Monterey Peninsula Country Club (Dunes Course)
Pebble Beach, California[/size][size=inherit]Private Course. Tom Fazio, redesigner with Tim Jackson of Jackson Kahn Design.[/size][size=1rem]
This is a head scratcher about Sand Valley, the reviewer must have been talking about Mammoth Dunes:
[/size]"The average green size is 10,000 square feet, which allows higher handicap golfers the ability to get on in regulation and score from there…"[/size][size=1rem]
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And last time I check, no palm trees in West Virgina: https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10 (https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10)
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And last time I check, no palm trees in West Virgina: https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10 (https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10)
I also like their editing, which uses the word “quark” instead of “quirk”...maybe a nod towards impending nuclear events? :P
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What is the intended distinction between "remodel" and "renovate"?
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TPC Sawgrass changes #12 and regrasses greens and its considered a renovation. And wins. That will help sell magazines.
Don't they win that award every year?
Hopefully they're eligible for a restoration award soon...
The pics of the original TPC are incredible to me. So much scrub grass and true, sandy, waste areas.
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And last time I check, no palm trees in West Virgina: https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10 (https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-best-new-courses-2017#10)
Global warming? :)
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Was the Old White restoration purely because of the flood? I'm surprised it counted as a restoration as Lester George had restored it to the CBM design principles originally. I assumed Keith Foster was just putting it back together.
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Did Keith Foster get paid for his work?
That would be novel for Justice.
As far as the GD list, whither Streamsong Black and resto of Winged Foot?
Golden Horseshoe???
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It is a shame LACC did not get recognition for the outstanding work done on the South Course.
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Did Keith Foster get paid for his work?
That would be novel for Justice.
As far as the GD list, whither Streamsong Black and resto of Winged Foot?
Golden Horseshoe???
Keith was already schedule to do the work and it was fast forwarded after the flood.
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Was the Old White restoration purely because of the flood? I'm surprised it counted as a restoration as Lester George had restored it to the CBM design principles originally. I assumed Keith Foster was just putting it back together.
http://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/content/old-white-ready-to-host-2017-greenbrier-classic
According to Mr. Foster, he made substantial changes. I really liked the course before the floods and look forward to playing it again post-Foster work.
Ira
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I played the renovated Old White this past September and was impressed by Foster's work. The greens were largely similar to the pre-flood version though a few were significantly reshaped or repositioned (7, 12, 14, and 18 come to mind). The most striking change was the bunkering. Some of the green side bunkering is quite severe now, and visually the course is much more appealing. Unfortunately the ridiculous greens fee hasn't changed....
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Did Keith Foster get paid for his work?
That would be novel for Justice.
As far as the GD list, whither Streamsong Black and resto of Winged Foot?
Golden Horseshoe???
I wonder whether there was some opening date cutoff.
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It is a shame LACC did not get recognition for the outstanding work done on the South Course.
I'll second this. LACC(s) is absolutely deserving of a high ranking.
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Did Keith Foster get paid for his work?
That would be novel for Justice.
As far as the GD list, whither Streamsong Black and resto of Winged Foot?
Golden Horseshoe???
I wonder whether there was some opening date cutoff.
Streamsong Black and Winged Foot were not on the list of candidates, but LACC South was
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There is a cut off date. It's not carved in stone but panelists need to be able to see the courses in a reasonable time by the cut off date for the ballot submission of Labor Day. Some courses that would qualify by date would like to hold off a year to be considered. Some courses do not want to participate in the best new categories.
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Or maybe we can pray to God that a great course like LACC doesn't accept unaccompanied rater play. Come on, with this new pay $1000 rate, skate or donate card why would they?
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TPC Sawgrass changes #12 and regrasses greens and its considered a renovation. And wins. That will help sell magazines.
Don't they win that award every year?
Hopefully they're eligible for a restoration award soon...
The pics of the original TPC are incredible to me. So much scrub grass and true, sandy, waste areas.
Tony, any links to said pics? They are difficult to find, seems the Tour wants to sweep them down the memory hole.
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There's not seriously a best "remodel" and a best "renovation" ::) ::) ::) ::)
thus creating room for a future best "restoration"
I'm glad they are identifying the differences. Finally.
With that said, with the typos and various mistakes it makes you wonder how many people are actually working at Golf Digest?