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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: George Freeman on April 06, 2016, 12:38:11 PM
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Forgive me if this has been discussed already on this site (I searched, but couldn't find any mention of it).
Matt Ginella just made an Instagram post stating "Tom Doak is on property routing another par-3 course in the dunesland to the right of the 2nd and 3rd holes at Bandon Trails. I'm told somewhere between 10 and 13 holes, depending on what the land gives...no specific timetable for an opening."
Very exciting to read this. That land between BT #1-2 and the ocean looks amazing. The Preserve blew me away when I played it a couple years ago. My immediate thought walking off the last hole was "why are there not more courses like this?!" Sounds like there soon will be...
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Doubly cool if he builds it as a reversible course.
Bob
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Was it posted on April 1st by any chance?
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Was it posted on April 1st by any chance?
No. Posted April 6th.
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Aren't we all just a bit Doaked out by now? Can't wait to see what he'll do that we haven't seen before.
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Of course we all know and all profoundly agree with the notion of a golf course being only 11 or 13 or 8 holes "depending on what the land gives". But is it just me or does anyone else wish for Tom that his next client be an over-bearing blowhard with more money than taste who bellows out something like "I don't give a shite what the damn land gives! I want you to build me 18 - 18, not 9 or 12 -- of the longest, toughest holes possible no matter what you think the land gives, and then I want to host a freaking US Open!"
Edit: as is often the case, JK beat me to it, and more bluntly
Peter
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I may be accused of being a Doak butt boy...
But when Doak starts putting crap/mediocre/average/bland courses in the ground, I'll be one of the first to chime in and say maybe its time to hang it up. Until then I shall continue to look forward to what he does next because his stellar track record speaks for itself....
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It's not just Doak, it's every new World Top 25 course. We are drowning in sameness.
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Nothing against Tom Doak, but if this land was available in the first place I would've preferred an extension to the Preserve into 18 par 3 holes or an executive course. Another par 3 course seems forced, despite the fantastic site.
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It's not just Doak, it's every new World Top 25 course. We are drowning in sameness.
No. We are drowning in information. Big difference.
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It's not just Doak, it's every new World Top 25 course. We are drowning in sameness.
No. We are drowning in information. Big difference.
Thanks. I forgot.
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It's not just Doak, it's every new World Top 25 course. We are drowning in sameness.
No. We are drowning in information. Big difference.
Thanks. I forgot.
It's ok. Someday soon your golf trips are going to look like this:
(http://media.ai-ap.com.s3.amazonaws.com/dam/cropped/2015/08/09/meme-top_P57El1l.jpg)
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1. Bandon has an embarrassment of riches of great golf. This will likely just add to it and make the pull to stay there a day or two longer just a bit stronger.
2. Didn't Tom mention something about this before in relation to the Sheep Farm, or am I mixing apples and oranges?
3. It's a nice addition for us oldsters who aren't keen on walking 36 day in and day out for an extended stay.
3. Given the fact that I live in a major metropolitan area and I have exactly 1 course within an hour's drive that was designed by Doak, C&C, Hanse, DeVries et al., and it's the second course at a well known club at that, I'd say I'm hardly drowning in sameness.
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1. Bandon has an embarrassment of riches of great golf. This will likely just add to it and make the pull to stay there a day or two longer just a bit stronger.
NOT A BAD THING...ALWAYS GET IN TO TOWN WHEN IN BANDON
2. Didn't Tom mention something about this before in relation to the Sheep Farm, or am I mixing apples and oranges?
YOU'RE MIXING FARMS AND RANCHES
3. It's a nice addition for us oldsters who aren't keen on walking 36 day in and day out for an extended stay.
WORD. MK AIN'T DUMB
3. Given the fact that I live in a major metropolitan area and I have exactly 1 course within an hour's drive that was designed by Doak, C&C, Hanse, DeVries et al., and it's the second course at a well known club at that, I'd say I'm hardly drowning in sameness.
WE SHOULD ALL BE SO POOR.
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And here i thought Gary Player was the champion of 12 hole golf courses.
If this is true then it is great news. Although Mr. Keiser has said, on numerous occasions, that from a financial standpoint Bandon doesn't need another course there certainly is a market for one. At this point Bandon is consistently booked over a year in advanced. Given how busy Bandon is in the winter time, its safe to say that there really is very little of an "off season". The preserve allows those who choose visit in the winter months the ability to play extra holes when sunlight hours are are a minimum. In the summer the preserve allows those who can not or choose not to walk 36 or 54 the ability to get more golf in. Right now the Preserve is servicing 4 courses, and with the addition of 18 more holes by Gil Hanse it will be servicing the 5 full length courses. The reality is that the Preserve is already in high demand and already operating capacity. The toughest tee times to get aren't the early morning Pac Dunes times, but rather the late in the day Preserve times. Its where everyone wants to be at the end of the day. Adding another short course will only add more prime time Bandon tee times, which is not a bad thing.
Tom, Im not sure if you can comment on this thread yet, but please know that you have a moral obligation to find a way to make the final hole of your short course puttable. Should you not adhere to this obligation, you're course will be immediately labeled a Doak 0 regardless of the quality of the other 10-12 holes.
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That land over there by Bandon Trails looks awesome. Looking forward to what Tom Doak & Co. come up with over there.
It's clear that the Preserve is a huge hit. I thought it was super cool and a lot of fun. I personally would rather play 36 holes, then maybe squeeze a few in on the Preserve, but I can see why so many older guys who don't like walking 36 would love the option.
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Jud lives in Kenilworth, he could walk to some of the best classic courses in the country, or he could just have his butler set up an Uber. No pity from here down under. I've got a Doak In Evansville that I would trade for the worst Ross in Chicago. My God.
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Maybe a par 3 course is what Chambers Bay needs as a second course? There is often rumor of another course being built. As a muni, it would be nice to have some sort of family/community element to the facility.
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Well, Matt should check his facts. Today I am posting from Davenport, Iowa after having walked Sand Valley this morning, Lawsonia at lunchtime, and Davenport CC before dark. I'm on my way across Iowa to see some courses for The Confidential Guide.
However, I was in Bandon a couple of weeks ago, and spent some time looking for par-3 holes there. Mr. Keiser seemed to like what I found, so, maybe something will happen there. Hopefully the same people who have been raising a ruckus over the new site south of Bandon will not mind the idea of a few more par-3 holes at the resort.
P.S. Word is that the 18,000 rounds at Bandon Preserve last year generated a lot of money for the Howard McKee Nature Preserve and the State of Oregon Parks Dept. I would hope they like the idea of more.
P.P.S. I've never built a par-3 course, but we've been approached about three of them by different clients. Bandon would be a good place to build one.
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Trivia....I played Davenport a few years ago. Azinger's brother was club manager...
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Well, Matt should check his facts. Today I am posting from Davenport, Iowa after having walked Sand Valley this morning, Lawsonia at lunchtime, and Davenport CC before dark. I'm on my way across Iowa to see some courses for The Confidential Guide.
I hope you take a look at Waveland in Des Moines
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3. It's a nice addition for us oldsters who aren't keen on walking 36 day in and day out for an extended stay.
+1. This was my first thought. As someone who is organizing a trip for a group of guys aged 55-65, it's pretty hard to expect them to walk and play 36 a day.
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Jud lives in Kenilworth, he could walk to some of the best classic courses in the country, or he could just have his butler set up an Uber. No pity from here down under. I've got a Doak In Evansville that I would trade for the worst Ross in Chicago. My God.
Would you trade it for the worst Diddel in Evansvile?
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Golf.com reports about the new par 3 course...
http://www.golf.com/courses-and-travel/bandon-dunes-add-tom-doak-designed-par-three-course?xid=nl_news (http://www.golf.com/courses-and-travel/bandon-dunes-add-tom-doak-designed-par-three-course?xid=nl_news)
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They have a 'name that course' contest over at golf.com (at the end of the article), but you have to register an account to be able to post your suggestion, so I'll put it here and hope Mr. K sees it:
How about a little nod to one of TD's favourites, Alastir MacKenzie, along with a titch of culture:
Buentiempo
Peter
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Doaky McDoakface
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Unfortunately, "Ocean's Eleven" is already taken.
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Bandon Breather
Bandon Break
Bandon Furlough
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Bandon Breather
Bandon Break
Bandon Furlough
We have not built the course yet, but I don't think these names are going to reflect the finished product.
The course has the potential to be very testing: you could turn every hole from the 3rd to the 8th into a really tough par-3, if you were including them in a regulation 18-hole course. I doubt Mr. Keiser will want to go that direction with it. We will just have to see how it evolves, but it's not going to be a pushover, that's for sure.
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Doaks Revenge?
Diaboloical Doak?
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I still like Buentiempo, but "Temerity" is good too. Also, in a nod to Glengarry, Glen, Ross, "The Closer".
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I still like Buentiempo, but "Temerity" is good too. Also, in a nod to Glengarry, Glen, Ross, "The Closer".
The ABC course with a set of steak knives for each hole in one?
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Doaky McDoakface
+1 ;D
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So I guess they would start moving sand in November?
I would call it, The Doak, as Tom has designed so many great courses to have a course named after him like Pete Dye, RTJ, and The Good Doctor. I would rather have The Doak at Bandon Dunes than some resort in Myrtle Beach because the new course would be fast and firm with no lakes.
I am headed to Bandon in February 2017 and I am looking forward to seeing what has been built. I remember my trip back in 2011 and walking The Preserve when it was just sand greens.
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The Hi11ocks of Bandon
Assuming they end up with 11 holes
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Sounds like it might be a "Doak Eleven."
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Cut to the chase and name it "Heaven". #Buttboy.
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Two very good ones in a row. Rick - the only trouble is that there's no end point. It's just a few holes away from a "Bear's Best". John - do you mean that ironically?
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No. Heaven rhymes with eleven. It's simple and lends itself to Doak's Heaven or Heaven Eleven for the buttboys. I just can't believe I give this stuff away. Not to mention the ease of creating a logo. The only thing I ask is that the signature hole is named Doaky McDoakface just to cash in on popular culture.
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The Dell
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Sounds like it might be a "Doak Eleven."
Rick,
Freaking brilliant! As far as I know there's only one Doak 11 and it is in Nepal, but your suggestion is so good I'm pretty sure I'll never call this course anything but "Doak 11". :D
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Bandon Shores is the best I can come up with.
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I suggested Doak Dunes and Bandon Dunes Junior
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Only because Doak would have a heart attack if the first course named after him was a par 3....Kaod Bleu
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The Sanderling Course. It's a small shore bird. Looks really cute running along the sand.
(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd44/johnmkirk/Calidris_alba_-_Laem_Phak_Bia_zpsybt65r8t.jpg) (http://s226.photobucket.com/user/johnmkirk/media/Calidris_alba_-_Laem_Phak_Bia_zpsybt65r8t.jpg.html)
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"The Confidential"
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"You got Doak'd"
Done in the spirit of this guy...
(http://chimera.mixrmedia.com/user_photos/blog/2012/05/21/effd7e48ea45b08b3bda7a2a72e30c36-500.jpg)
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This name exercise seems silly. How about...Little, Minimal,Compact or Soupcon Dunes? Never mind. If Mike likes these, I can be had with some free golf.
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Yes, this is silly. It reminds me of the discussion on the naming of Old Macdonald back in 2008.
I am glad that they are building a walking course rather than the a cart course out by the highway. If they wanted to bring more golfers to Bandon, they would hire Rees Jones or Fazio or Tiger to build a resort course out by the highway full of signature holes. I think this will happen once Bandon Dunes is sold to Marriott or Trump in 2030.
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Sounds like it might be a "Doak Eleven."
Excellent, Rick!
But, if that doesn't fly, how about...
Bandon Over-the-Cliff
or just: Spinal Tap
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc)
(http://d.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/codesign/imagecache/inline-large/post-inline/spinal-Tap-11.jpg)
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Dan,
Love the concept. They could call it "Bandons 11"...for the double entendre effect.
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I'd call any 11 hole course Yo 'Lev!
(Exclamation point required, ala Eastward Ho! and Westward Ho!, though the rest of the name is unrelated to those gems...)
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These types of courses are the future of the game.
I propose the course be called the "The Revolution!" and here is the logo and flag design. At the conclusion of the 11th hole all players will be encouraged to chant in unison "Viva La Revolution!"
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7717/27017321551_0cdf0fb6e5.jpg)
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Doaky McDoakface
This might possibly be the greatest thing that's ever been written on GCA
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And the obvious theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A899MJ6NXBA
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Doaky McDoakface
This might possibly be the greatest thing that's ever been written on GCA
Thank you Josh but it wasn't original on my part. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/world/europe/boaty-mcboatface-what-you-get-when-you-let-the-internet-decide.html?_r=0
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Unfortunately, construction of the par-3 course has been put off, and won't happen this coming winter.
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I'm sorry to learn this, but perhaps Bandon's loss will be Ballydoak's gain.
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Was there any more news on this? It's a tricky thing to search for since it never had a name.
So far I've been excited by all the modern par 3 courses, but have been stymied by their popularity and haven't actually played one. Adding more capacity seemed like it would have worked well in this case.
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I doubt this course will ever happen. When they realized that if they built it, they would have to turn over all the profits to charity - because it is in the same environmental preserve as Bandon Preserve - they started thinking harder about tearing up The Sheep Ranch instead.
The layout was much different than the Preserve - it had several really testing holes that would have fit on any of the big courses - so it would have had a different kind of appeal.
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Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear that.
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I doubt this course will ever happen. When they realized that if they built it, they would have to turn over all the profits to charity - because it is in the same environmental preserve as Bandon Preserve - they started thinking harder about tearing up The Sheep Ranch instead.
The layout was much different than the Preserve - it had several really testing holes that would have fit on any of the big courses - so it would have had a different kind of appeal.
interesting take
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Charity by force. Lovely.
It did appear to be a beautiful piece of land for golf.