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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Kalen Braley on August 04, 2015, 12:28:03 PM
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I figured I'd start a thread, for the opposite scenario.....Euros coming to America.
I'll start off the list of dos and don'ts...please feel free to add
1) As previously mentioned, don't go wearing that goofy Union Jack gear....its just as bad as Americans going over there with flags all over their clothes.
2) For the love of God, please don't start singing the "Ole ole ole" song. Its bad enough we have to hear it every two years at the Ryder Cup.
3) Do purchase sunscreen when you get here. You pasties are going to need it, and be liberal when applying.
4) Remember to drive on the right side of the road....pun intended! ;)
5) Leave the Tie and jacket at home, I can't think of anywhere you would possibly need it......
6) If caught late at night driving around in a big city, use loads of caution...the bad parts of town will suffer no one, even lost overseas visitors.
That's all I can think of for now. Fortunately Americans aren't as fussy over the little things.....
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The California Raisins weren't golfers. Don't take time lapsed photography of your swings.
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Make sure you religiously record every score from every hole and post every round as fast as you can. Banish any thoughts of playing golf without keeping and recording a medal score.
When playing a private club, please remember that you are a guest and act accordingly. You not a "vistor" that booked a tee time online using PayPal.
Make sure your group understands the standard flirtations expected of them with the cart girl.
Learn how to stay engaged and focused on the course after 3.5 hours and up through the fifth hour when you will finish.
Make sure you tip often and with largesse as we all know Americans that work in the golf industry don't make a living wage unlike those from overseas. ;)
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I figured I'd start a thread, for the opposite scenario.....Euros coming to America.
I'll start off the list of dos and don'ts...please feel free to add
1) As previously mentioned, don't go wearing that goofy Union Jack gear....its just as bad as Americans going over there with flags all over their clothes.
2) For the love of God, please don't start singing the "Ole ole ole" song. Its bad enough we have to hear it every two years at the Ryder Cup.
3) Do purchase sunscreen when you get here. You pasties are going to need it, and be liberal when applying.
4) Remember to drive on the right side of the road....pun intended! ;)
5) Leave the Tie and jacket at home, I can't think of anywhere you would possibly need it......
6) If caught late at night driving around in a big city, use loads of caution...the bad parts of town will suffer no one, even lost overseas visitors.
That's all I can think of for now. Fortunately Americans aren't as fussy over the little things.....
I think you mean Brits. The rest of Europe drives on the right and is broadly aware of the sun
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PS - It gets hot here. Really hot. And muggy. So drink a lot of water before, during, and after play.
Everybody wears shorts except for PGA Professionals.
Nobody cares what type of socks you wear.
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I think you mean Brits. The rest of Europe drives on the right and is broadly aware of the sun
And Brits, at least of the English sort, are increasing hostile towards their Euro brethren.
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Nobody cares what type of socks you wear.
This isn't true of private clubs in Canada if you venture north - most private clubs, at least in the Toronto area, require ankle or knee socks - calf length are verboten. Some clubs in Montreal are even stricter and require knee socks.
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Nobody cares what type of socks you wear.
This isn't true of private clubs in Canada if you venture north - most private clubs, at least in the Toronto area, require ankle or knee socks - calf length are verboten. Some clubs in Montreal are even stricter and require knee socks.
In Toronto, the only course I've ever seen make a fuss about socks is Toronto Golf. Where else?
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I think you mean Brits. The rest of Europe drives on the right and is broadly aware of the sun
And Brits, at least of the English sort, are increasing hostile towards their Euro brethren.
Hmm, speak for yourself. Tis a bit more complicated than that.
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Is it alright to reply?
"Thank you that's most kind and you too, don't have a bad day"
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You don't need a jacket and tie for dinner at Pine Valley or Chicago GC any more? Packing will be so much easier in the future.
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You don't need a jacket and tie for dinner at Pine Valley or Chicago GC any more? Packing will be so much easier in the future.
or NGLA for lunch
or a jacket for Garden City Men's
Lots of generalizations on both threads.
Depends entirely where you are playing in both cases.
Would seem a shame to miss out on an impromptu invite to Muirfield or NGLA simply because one didn't have a jacket on hand-that said I've made numerous trips across the pond without a jacket (Donegal etc.) and have taken one with me many times as well.
Same is true here in the states
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Make sure you religiously record every score from every hole and post every round as fast as you can. Banish any thoughts of playing golf without keeping and recording a medal score.
When playing a private club, please remember that you are a guest and act accordingly. You not a "vistor" that booked a tee time online using PayPal.
Make sure your group understands the standard flirtations expected of them with the cart girl.
Learn how to stay engaged and focused on the course after 3.5 hours and up through the fifth hour when you will finish.
Make sure you tip often and with largesse as we all know Americans that work in the golf industry don't make a living wage unlike those from overseas. ;)
Please dont sexually harass the cart girl.
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As a Brit living in the U.S. now, I wear a jacket while travelling by air because it makes my life easier. At that stage I might as well bring a tie of some sort.
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I see socks as being more from the strategic school whilst jackets are more from the penal school of design.....
Coming up next, a van-load of golf nerd books meant to be distributed around the country will accidentally catch fire from a carelessly misplaced cigar torch. That should end the match on one of the finest match play holes ever, even if it sits squarely in the middle of the back nine of a stroke play course, whatever that means. Should be fun to watch, except it will be broadcast on Fox, and we know nothing good can come from that network....
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Adam and you forget under Ms Sturgeon many Scots have a passionate dislike for the English.
Kalen why buy sunscreen when golf clubs have buckets of it in the locker room?
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Seriously,
(1) Without pull or substantial chutzpa and guile you'll not get on the very "top" American club courses, unlike in UK when anyone can get on Muirfield, etc. on the open days for visitors.
(2) If you're not an experienced visitor to the new land, take some time to get to know it, for better or worse, apart from golf.
(3) The USA is a fairly large country, geographically, so I'd recommend not trying to move around much. Pick a spot and stay there. E.g., Pinehurst, although other than golf the North Carolina sandhills have only a little other stuff to offer the tourist (so combine with a trip to Myrtle Beach and its courses, to get the full flavor of the USA and its golf and culture).
(4) The American gun culture, a gift of our Constitution and the Supreme Court's interpretation thereof, is unique among so-called civilized countries and nothing to joke about. However, by knowing in advance where to venture and where not to venture, you ought to be safe, just as safe as you'd be from terrorists in other parts of the world.
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Kalen why buy sunscreen when golf clubs have buckets of it in the locker room?
More than likely the parent company of the sunscreen brand is a large pharma company who has set up shop in Dublin. The collected tax is invested in the splendid road network linking Lahinch, Doonbeg, Ballybunion, Tralee, Dooks, Waterville and Old Head for the benefit of the American golfer. I thought that was pretty obvious.
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There are probably more formal gardens on golf courses in the US than there are on golf courses in the UK. Go figure.
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I think you mean Brits. The rest of Europe drives on the right and is broadly aware of the sun
And Brits, at least of the English sort, are increasing hostile towards their Euro brethren.
Really?
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As a non-Brit Euro who has often played in the US, could I also suggest the following rules:
Don't use sarcasm or irony in jokes. The locals won't get it.
Don't say "No, seriously" in response to the answer to your question about what the other guy's handicap (aka index) is.
Try not to play courses with compulsory carts and definitely avoid when it is cart path only. This eliminates much of Orlando golf, which is just as well.
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Adam and you forget under Ms Sturgeon many Scots have a passionate dislike for the English.
Mark
In fairness to the SNP, although I'm not sure why I should be fair to them, many Scots had a passionate dislike for the English anyway. ;)
Niall
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Adam and you forget under Ms Sturgeon many Scots have a passionate dislike for the English.
Mark
In fairness to the SNP, although I'm not sure why I should be fair to them, many Scots had a passionate dislike for the English anyway. ;)
Niall
It's getting better?
http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/worldcup/2014/6/11/england-are-now-sobadthatmanyscotswillrootforit.html
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I think you mean Brits. The rest of Europe drives on the right and is broadly aware of the sun
And Brits, at least of the English sort, are increasing hostile towards their Euro brethren.
Really?
Really. Otherwise Brexit and the impending referendum wouldn't exist. I travel to the UK on business about five times a year and this is increasingly a topic of discussion.
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Wayne, you are talking to British people here. Take it from us, the issue is a lot more complex than you are suggesting.
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I think you mean Brits. The rest of Europe drives on the right and is broadly aware of the sun
And Brits, at least of the English sort, are increasing hostile towards their Euro brethren.
Really?
Really. Otherwise Brexit and the impending referendum wouldn't exist. I travel to the UK on business about five times a year and this is increasingly a topic of discussion.
You are confusing hostility to other Europeans with hostility to a political structure.
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Kalen,
I would suggest having at least little bit of knowledge about a subject before posting ;)
Wayne,
I very much doubt there will be a Brexit much like an independent Scotland when the population takes a serious look at it then a large majority decide for union not independence.
Jon
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Keep your schedule full with golf and friendships and at all costs avoid our 24-hour news cycle, particularly those shows of a political nature.
Not only will they scare the bejeesus out of you but you'll think that the US has all taken hallucinogens causing paranoid delusions of grandeur..
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If any of you think the British are anti European you are completely wrong. Lots of us are against the fact that The European Economic Community devised to assist trade has ended up in political union. Many of our laws are being superseded by European law, what works (or doesn't work) in Portugal, Italy, Latvia or Poland doesn't necessarily work in the UK. Would the Canadians or Mecicans agree with their laws being made in Washington?
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Adam and you forget under Ms Sturgeon many Scots have a passionate dislike for the English.
Mark
In fairness to the SNP, although I'm not sure why I should be fair to them, many Scots had a passionate dislike for the English anyway. ;)
Niall
It's getting better?
http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/worldcup/2014/6/11/england-are-now-sobadthatmanyscotswillrootforit.html (http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/worldcup/2014/6/11/england-are-now-sobadthatmanyscotswillrootforit.html)
JSadowsky
I'm old enough to remember when Scotland qualified for 5 World Cups in a row, which at that time was a record. Quite remarkable for a nation of 5 million. Argentina was the 2nd of those tournaments and followed on from Scotland narrowly being knocked out of the previous tournament after being undeafeted against the likes of Brazil and Yugoslavia. In Argentina we had arguably a better squad and a number of our players played with some of the top teams in Europe. Since then Scottish football has gone into decline but not terminally.
That goes part of the way to explaining why there is a lack of antipathy towards the auld enemy. The other reason is simply that we no longer play them on a regular basis. I don't think England have a bad team, from what I can see they are not appreciably worse than they historically have been but have simply failed to peak at the right time to give themselves a chance. Having a series of managers who maybe weren't the best hasn't helped either.
The rivalry is no different really to Australia and NZ ie. friendly, and nothing like Iran/Iraq or Pakistan/India.
Niall
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1. Bring a sense of humor. You'll need it when the guy you get paired with plumb bobs his putt for a quad.
2. Get local recommendations for food. Avoid the chains.
3. F&F is F&F over here (few and far-between).
4. Walking and carrying in 90 degree heat and 100% humidity is an acquired taste.
5. A friendly letter from your home club can go a long way. Many clubs aside from the biggest names may happily humor an overseas visitor, particularly in the shoulder seasons.
6. If playing at a private club, inquire as to customs- I.e. attire, cell phones, caddie tipping etc.
7. Anyone who's studied finance beyond middle school knows the Euro has been a failed construct from day 1. You can't have a country without the ability to print money when necessary. So unless y'all want to really become one country with all it entails (which I don't ever see happening) then the writing is on the wall. The only question is when the other shoe drops.
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8. Dust off your practice swings. You will need them here. Preferably three or four, but under no circumstances fewer than two per shot. You will come to appreciate a 4.5-hour round as fast.
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Let's get real here, people.
The English go straight to Myrtle Beach, the Euros to Florida. All they want to do is play cartball, get sunburnt[sic] and drink the American beers they like to make fun of.
Please tailor advice accordingly. (Benjamin that's a good start.)
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Where do the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish go ?
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Assuming that you'll likely be restricted to playing only public courses here are some tips:
It is OK to wear your hat backwards when on the course, but when dining in the clubhouse, you should wear it with the brim facing forward.
Music playing from your cart should not be so loud as to interfere with music on adjoining fairways.
Bring food & beer in your cart. 6 hours is a long time, and beverage cart service may be unreliable.
At public courses near large cities, do not let anyone at the club drop take the clubs from your car - you'll likely never see them again.
If you have any question while on the course, look for the ranger/marshall- he will be the old guy on a cart hunting for golf balls in the bushes.
Price shown at registration is not the fee for an annual pass - it's the 18 hole greens fee. Cart is included, but you'll need to give it back when done.
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Yin, not Ying.
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If given the option at a barbecue joint, choose: a) pork over beef; b) spareribs over baby backs; c) dry over wet; and sweet tea over unsweet. Apply sauce sparingly if at all and don't fret over the sides.
Bogey
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Kalen,
I would suggest having at least little bit of knowledge about a subject before posting ;)
Wayne,
I very much doubt there will be a Brexit much like an independent Scotland when the population takes a serious look at it then a large majority decide for union not independence.
Jon
Jon,
Fair enough. I should have emphasized it was only my intent to get the opposite thread going as I've never even ventured to Europe....yet.
However, I stand by my comments on sun screen and driving around in the wrong neighborhoods after dark. ;)
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Kalen,
I would suggest having at least little bit of knowledge about a subject before posting ;)
Wayne,
I very much doubt there will be a Brexit much like an independent Scotland when the population takes a serious look at it then a large majority decide for union not independence.
Jon
Jon,
Fair enough. I should have emphasized it was only my intent to get the opposite thread going as I've never even ventured to Europe....yet.
However, I stand by my comments on sun screen and driving around in the wrong neighborhoods after dark. ;)
But Kalen, why did you say Euros when you are quite clearly talking about the British?
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Kalen,
I would suggest having at least little bit of knowledge about a subject before posting ;)
Wayne,
I very much doubt there will be a Brexit much like an independent Scotland when the population takes a serious look at it then a large majority decide for union not independence.
Jon
Jon,
Fair enough. I should have emphasized it was only my intent to get the opposite thread going as I've never even ventured to Europe....yet.
However, I stand by my comments on sun screen and driving around in the wrong neighborhoods after dark. ;)
But Kalen, why did you say Euros when you are quite clearly talking about the British?
Probably because his conception of "Europe" is formed entirely around the Ryder Cup.
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Kalen,
I would suggest having at least little bit of knowledge about a subject before posting ;)
Wayne,
I very much doubt there will be a Brexit much like an independent Scotland when the population takes a serious look at it then a large majority decide for union not independence.
Jon
Jon,
Fair enough. I should have emphasized it was only my intent to get the opposite thread going as I've never even ventured to Europe....yet.
However, I stand by my comments on sun screen and driving around in the wrong neighborhoods after dark. ;)
But Kalen, why did you say Euros when you are quite clearly talking about the British?
Fair enough on that point as well, in my head I was thinking only northern europeans like those from the British Isles, Sweden, etc., but should have tried to make that distinction.
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Rule No. 1: drop the cheesy accents -- especially the exaggerated ones from Yorkshire or Liverpool. You're not in a Monty Python skit anymore, you're in 'Merica. And even Peter Aliss we can listen to with appreciation only once a year. If you insist on retaining the affection, at least save it for your time OFF the golf course, where we don't have to hear it and where the birds might appreciate it.
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Jon,
Fair enough. I should have emphasized it was only my intent to get the opposite thread going as I've never even ventured to Europe....yet.
However, I stand by my comments on sun screen and driving around in the wrong neighborhoods after dark. ;)
Kalen,
both good points though we do get quite a lot of sun in a normal summer here in GB. As for the wrong neighbourhoods after dark I am with you on that especially as you are as likely to be shot by a policeman as a villain. Still when Mr. Trump is President I am sure it will all improve ;D
Mr. Pallotta,
shut tha gob man tha knaws nawt ;)
Jon
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Assuming that you'll likely be restricted to playing only public courses here are some tips:
It is OK to wear your hat backwards when on the course, but when dining in the clubhouse, you should wear it with the brim facing forward.
Music playing from your cart should not be so loud as to interfere with music on adjoining fairways.
Bring food & beer in your cart. 6 hours is a long time, and beverage cart service may be unreliable.
At public courses near large cities, do not let anyone at the club drop take the clubs from your car - you'll likely never see them again.
If you have any question while on the course, look for the ranger/marshall- he will be the old guy on a cart hunting for golf balls in the bushes.
Price shown at registration is not the fee for an annual pass - it's the 18 hole greens fee. Cart is included, but you'll need to give it back when done.
:)
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Rule No. 1: drop the cheesy accents -- especially the exaggerated ones from Yorkshire or Liverpool. You're not in a Monty Python skit anymore, you're in 'Merica. And even Peter Aliss we can listen to with appreciation only once a year. If you insist on retaining the affection, at least save it for your time OFF the golf course, where we don't have to hear it and where the birds might appreciate it.
Remember that English is not American, and vice versa. While this happened in Australia, it is still a great example.
American, after eating="I'm stuffed", followed byu horrified mixed company silence as that means "I'm f@*ked".
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(so combine with a trip to Myrtle Beach and its courses, to get the full flavor of the USA and its golf and culture).
Sad, but true.
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Rule No. 1: drop the cheesy accents -- especially the exaggerated ones from Yorkshire or Liverpool. You're not in a Monty Python skit anymore, you're in 'Merica. And even Peter Aliss we can listen to with appreciation only once a year. If you insist on retaining the affection, at least save it for your time OFF the golf course, where we don't have to hear it and where the birds might appreciate it.
Remember that English is not American, and vice versa. While this happened in Australia, it is still a great example.
American, after eating="I'm stuffed", followed byu horrified mixed company silence as that means "I'm f@*ked".
I read of a Canadian family who relocated to Australia. Cheering on their son in sports the mother yelled "Go Mike! Dad and I are up here rooting for you!"
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Seriously, visit a shooting range. You'll run the gamut from confusion and shock to awe and amazement.
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Seriously, visit a shooting range. You'll run the gamut from confusion and shock to awe and amazement.
For better or worse, possibly the quintessential American experience, warts and all.
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Gun ranges are an excellent suggestion! I recommend Rough Creek Lodge and Resort in Glen Rose, Texas.
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I think you mean Brits. The rest of Europe drives on the right and is broadly aware of the sun
And Brits, at least of the English sort, are increasing hostile towards their Euro brethren.
Hmm, speak for yourself. Tis a bit more complicated than that.
Quite right Adam.
Clearly Adam has a brain and is therefore not likelly to be caught patrolling the White Cliffs of Dover, unlike some of our fellow Brits! ;D
The Euro is a different issue, created largely through idiotic idealism, rather than sound economics. Being a good centre-left Keynesian, I could and did predict it's inevitable failure in nations such as Greece. If however Germany, France and a few other economically convergent northern European nations want to share a currency, that's fine and dandy in the multi-tier Europe we have always needed but has long been denounced by the tories. I believe it was John Major as Prime Minister who dismissed the notion out of hand when Paddy Ashdown was promoting it.
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Where do the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish go ?
One Scot we know well (initials FBD) loves Orlando but Cypress Point will do in a pinch. ;D
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Ps. It's a huge nation.
A friend had Euro relatives visit them in Buffalo. They went for a drive and called 7 hours later to report that they were STILL in New York State!
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I'm guessing that Palotta's tort was tongue-in-cheek, given his level of edification.
As for McEwen, I have no idea what is wrong with rooting for anyone...oh wait, I see that in Australia, it means to bang someone. Got it.
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One question I have for the Americans:
What's the story with the over use of "great"?
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One question I have for the Americans:
What's the story with the over use of "great"?
Sort of like the overuse of "brilliant".
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If given the option at a barbecue joint, choose: a) pork over beef; b) spareribs over baby backs; c) dry over wet; and sweet tea over unsweet. Apply sauce sparingly if at all and don't fret over the sides. Bogey
Agreed with three addendums:
1. In Texas, the best barbecue (aka BBQ) is beef brisket. In Kansas City (or anywhere else they offer them), don't miss the burnt ends. Everywhere else the best bbq is usually pork. Personally, my favorite is usually a pulled pork sandwich.
2. BBQ varies quite a lot by region in U.S. It's best by reputation in Texas, Memphis, North Carolina and Kansas City, but good or better bbq can be found across the south and many other parts, even here in New York City.
3. The dingier the BBQ joint appears, the more likely it has tasty food. Unless eating in a big city like New York, where you can get good, authentic BBQ but the prices will seem outrageous (especially if you've been to a BBQ shack in a small town in the south).
An old, but still relevant and entertaining multi-part series in Slate about American BBQ, An American Barbecue Pilgrimage (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/welltraveled/features/2005/an_american_barbecue_pilgrimage/barbecue_mania_and_how_to_cure_it.html).
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Jimmy, I do have a soft spot for burnt ends.
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If given the option at a barbecue joint, choose: a) pork over beef; b) spareribs over baby backs; c) dry over wet; and sweet tea over unsweet. Apply sauce sparingly if at all and don't fret over the sides. Bogey
Agreed with three addendums:
1. In Texas, the best barbecue (aka BBQ) is beef brisket. In Kansas City (or anywhere else they offer them), don't miss the burnt ends. Everywhere else the best bbq is usually pork. Personally, my favorite is usually a pulled pork sandwich.
2. BBQ varies quite a lot by region in U.S. It's best by reputation in Texas, Memphis, North Carolina and Kansas City, but good or better bbq can be found across the south and many other parts, even here in New York City.
3. The dingier the BBQ joint appears, the more likely it has tasty food. Unless eating in a big city like New York, where you can get good, authentic BBQ but the prices will seem outrageous (especially if you've been to a BBQ shack in a small town in the south).
An old, but still relevant and entertaining multi-part series in Slate about American BBQ, An American Barbecue Pilgrimage (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/welltraveled/features/2005/an_american_barbecue_pilgrimage/barbecue_mania_and_how_to_cure_it.html).
The best food, particularly for the money, in any coastal American city is likely to be non-Chinese Asian food.
For a true American experience, eat a pb and j sandwich.
And at a bbq, do feet over the sides. Another uniquely american dish is Mac and cheese.
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I once had guests from England who were completely spooked by a thunder storm. Maybe they do not happen as often there? So:
If you hear thunder or a wierd sounding alarm on the course, go inside. It is not a huge emergency but lightning can kill you. You are safe inside.
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I once had guests from England who were completely spooked by a thunder storm. Maybe they do not happen as often there? So:
If you hear thunder or a wierd sounding alarm on the course, go inside. It is not a huge emergency but lightning can kill you. You are safe inside.
The U.K. doesn't typically get the prolonged thunderstorms that you see in various parts of the U.S. In Scotland you typically only get a bolt of lightning or two, then rain.
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If you hear thunder or a wierd sounding alarm on the course, go inside. It is not a huge emergency but lightning can kill you. You are safe inside.
Or carry a 1 iron.
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One question I have for the Americans:
What's the story with the over use of "great"?
Sort of like the overuse of "brilliant".
Kudos David. ;D
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Deduct at least two from you inflated R&A handicap.
Bogey's sweet tea thing only applies approximately to formerly Confederate States. The rest of the country drinks it properly without the sugar.
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By the way, when you order tea in some places they will ask "Hot or cold".
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By the way, when you order tea in some places they will ask "Hot or cold".
Down south it's "sweet or unsweet." ;D
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If you're a Brit, bring a stash of Yorkshire Tea for safety.
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The best food, particularly for the money, in any coastal American city is likely to be non-Chinese Asian food.
This is a great point. However, Chinese food in America tastes very different from Chinese food in England (and, I suppose, in other European countries). I believe it's because Chinese chefs try to modify their foods for the local tastes.
In NY, LA and San Francisco, you can get authentic, regional Chinese cuisine. Go for it! But you have to know what to look for. Elsewhere, "Chinese" food in the US is really American-Chinese food.
Thai food is also usually Americanized. It can be great, but it's less "authentic" than some other Asian cuisines here. If you can find good Laotian or Vietnamese options, those can be amazing meals for every little money.
Lastly, I can't imagine a Brit eating Indian food in the U.S. -- mostly a waste of time since you have fantastic options where you're from.
(There are of course exceptions to every rule I have posted.)
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The best food, particularly for the money, in any coastal American city is likely to be non-Chinese Asian food.
This is a great point. However, Chinese food in America tastes very different from Chinese food in England (and, I suppose, in other European countries). I believe it's because Chinese chefs try to modify their foods for the local tastes.
In NY, LA and San Francisco, you can get authentic, regional Chinese cuisine. Go for it! But you have to know what to look for. Elsewhere, "Chinese" food in the US is really American-Chinese food.
Thai food is also usually Americanized. It can be great, but it's less "authentic" than some other Asian cuisines here. If you can find good Laotian or Vietnamese options, those can be amazing meals for every little money.
Lastly, I can't imagine a Brit eating Indian food in the U.S. -- mostly a waste of time since you have fantastic options where you're from.
(There are of course exceptions to every rule I have posted.)
Yes, agree. And, for the record, you can get great authentic Chinese food in DC (well, Arlington, VA), at Peter Chang's.
On food, either find a foodie friend or do your research.
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By the way, when you order tea in some places they will ask "Hot or cold".
Down south it's "sweet or unsweet." ;D
To elaborate. I took my son's west coast in-laws to a barbeque joint in Charlotte several years ago and the first thing the waitress said when she came to table was, "Sweet or unsweet." Not, "what would you like to drink," or "how would you like your tea." They were completely flummoxed. And, by the way, as should be clear from the question, not all southerners like their ice tea sweet.
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The best food, particularly for the money, in any coastal American city is likely to be non-Chinese Asian food.
This is a great point. However, Chinese food in America tastes very different from Chinese food in England (and, I suppose, in other European countries). I believe it's because Chinese chefs try to modify their foods for the local tastes.
In NY, LA and San Francisco, you can get authentic, regional Chinese cuisine. Go for it! But you have to know what to look for. Elsewhere, "Chinese" food in the US is really American-Chinese food.
Thai food is also usually Americanized. It can be great, but it's less "authentic" than some other Asian cuisines here. If you can find good Laotian or Vietnamese options, those can be amazing meals for every little money.
Lastly, I can't imagine a Brit eating Indian food in the U.S. -- mostly a waste of time since you have fantastic options where you're from.
(There are of course exceptions to every rule I have posted.)
I wouldn't go with any hard and fast rules. I've had great Thai food in Myrtle Beach and crappy steaks in Chicago. Just get good intel from locals and reliable blogs etc. There is great food in unexpected places across the country of all types (yes, Indian, North and South) and at all price points as long as you're willing to be adventurous and do a little homework.
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If you hear thunder or a wierd sounding alarm on the course, go inside. It is not a huge emergency but lightning can kill you. You are safe inside.
Or carry a 1 iron.
Well someone should congratulate Wayne for this. Good job, Wayne. :)
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Garland the R&A have nothing to do with handicaps unless you are a member of the R&A.
Never had more than a mistaken spat out mouthful of tea in my life, it's the juice of the devil.
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By the way, when you order tea in some places they will ask "Hot or cold".
Down south it's "sweet or unsweet." ;D
It makes a terrible Arnold Palmer. Sweet is making inroads in the mountain states.
To elaborate. I took my son's west coast in-laws to a barbeque joint in Charlotte several years ago and the first thing the waitress said when she came to table was, "Sweet or unsweet." Not, "what would you like to drink," or "how would you like your tea." They were completely flummoxed. And, by the way, as should be clear from the question, not all southerners like their ice tea sweet.
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The best food, particularly for the money, in any coastal American city is likely to be non-Chinese Asian food.
Lastly, I can't imagine a Brit eating Indian food in the U.S. -- mostly a waste of time since you have fantastic options where you're from.(There are of course exceptions to every rule I have posted.)
I wouldn't go with any hard and fast rules. I've had great Thai food in Myrtle Beach and crappy steaks in Chicago. Just get good intel from locals and reliable blogs etc. There is great food in unexpected places across the country of all types (yes, Indian, North and South) and at all price points as long as you're willing to be adventurous and do a little homework.
The point I was trying to make, but didn't articulate clearly, is that I always recommend to travellers that they try cuisine's that are not so available at home. Why would a Londoner eat Indian food in Kentucky? -- he should get some fried chicken. I rarely recommend a New Yorker eat pizza in Baltimore. Etc.
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The best food, particularly for the money, in any coastal American city is likely to be non-Chinese Asian food.
Lastly, I can't imagine a Brit eating Indian food in the U.S. -- mostly a waste of time since you have fantastic options where you're from.(There are of course exceptions to every rule I have posted.)
I wouldn't go with any hard and fast rules. I've had great Thai food in Myrtle Beach and crappy steaks in Chicago. Just get good intel from locals and reliable blogs etc. There is great food in unexpected places across the country of all types (yes, Indian, North and South) and at all price points as long as you're willing to be adventurous and do a little homework.
The point I was trying to make, but didn't articulate clearly, is that I always recommend to travellers that they try cuisine's that are not so available at home. Why would a Londoner eat Indian food in Kentucky? -- he should get some fried chicken. I rarely recommend a New Yorker eat pizza in Baltimore. Etc.
Jimmy,
I generally agree. When you're in Texas you should be seeking out top quality barbeque. But if there just so happens to be a phenomenal Korean place down the road that comes very highly recommended, why would you not eat there just because you're not in Seoul? (fyi- the best pizza in the country was in Chicago at Great Lake, until the guy went AWOL).
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But if there just so happens to be a phenomenal Korean place down the road that comes very highly recommended, why would you not eat there just because you're not in Seoul? (fyi- the best pizza in the country was in Chicago at Great Lake, until the guy went AWOL).
But if you're from Seoul -- unless someone can assure you that it's as good/better/different Korean food than you can get at home -- I would get pizza (just not Chicago deep dish pizza, which is casserole, not pizza).
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While visiting India a few years back on business, on the 1st day they asked me if I wanted to go to KFC or Subway for lunch.
I told them please take me to where the locals eat and the food is authentic for the every day man....it was a wonderful week and a half business trip in that respect. I never saw one non-Indian in the dining establishments we went to so that was exactly what I wanted...and the food was indeed terrific.
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Couple of minor, quick additions.
1. "Buggys" are called "carts" here.
2. While tipping is technically "optional", it's not. 15-20% in restaurants is standard. $3-5 per bag for a bellman. An extra $20+ for caddies. $2 minimum per bag for cart attendants. Basically, please tip. We know our tipping culture is strange and obnoxious, but it is what it is. When in Rome, as the saying goes.
3. Using the term "...for hire" will confuse most Americans. Example, 'Do you have clubs for hire?" Don't say that. Instead say something like this, "Do you rent clubs?"
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While visiting India a few years back on business, on the 1st day they asked me if I wanted to go to KFC or Subway for lunch.
I told them please take me to where the locals eat and the food is authentic for the every day man....it was a wonderful week and a half business trip in that respect. I never saw one non-Indian in the dining establishments we went to so that was exactly what I wanted...and the food was indeed terrific.
Kalen's got the right idea. If you go to an Chinese place in the US and it is filled with Americans, leave and find one that is filled with Chinese.
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Garland the R&A have nothing to do with handicaps unless you are a member of the R&A.
Never had more than a mistaken spat out mouthful of tea in my life, it's the juice of the devil.
Sorry, I meant CONGU not realizing the rules didn't come from the R&A.