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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: MClutterbuck on April 24, 2015, 05:49:01 PM
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Lots of talk recently about something that will probably never happen, but would it not be interesting to see a Ladies Masters at ANGC? My guess is members tees would be too short, and maybe some of the old Masters tees can be brought back on selected holes. Would be nice seeing 3 shot par 5s and long approach shots at some par 4s again. I think the course would also play wider and with more strategic options.
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I think it would be a great event. Doubtful it would happen but one never knows.
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Is this a joke?
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Why a joke Mike? You think it would not be interesting?
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I think the ladies game would be better served creating its own traditions and highlights. Doing something like this could end up been at best a poor shadow of the men's event and at worst as the ladies selling themselves short with a tokenistic, cheap gesture.
Jon
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Why a joke Mike? You think it would not be interesting?
I think it is just plain stupid. ANGC is a private club and can do whatever they wish. They did the right thing when they told the sponsors to bug off about the Martha Burke thing. Billy Payne is the worst thing that has happened there and is commercializing a tradition. Let the ladies do their own thing. Ladies golf is boring to watch in the first place and it just needs to do it's own thing.
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Was the Ladies US Open at Pinerhurst that? I think they sell themselves short by having 5 or 6 or who knows how many majors. A Ladies Masters at ANGC would eclipse the newer majors they have. It would be great marketing for the ladies to go to 4 majors including a Masters.
Anyway, my post was more about the actual play of the course and strategy than what it does to the ladies tour.
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I enjoy watching the women's golf.
The swings are more varied and they play a less precise game.
But at women's Masters at ANGC? Not in our lifetimes!
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Why a joke Mike? You think it would not be interesting?
I think it is just plain stupid. ANGC is a private club and can do whatever they wish. They did the right thing when they told the sponsors to bug off about the Martha Burke thing. Billy Payne is the worst thing that has happened there and is commercializing a tradition. Let the ladies do their own thing. Ladies golf is boring to watch in the first place and it just needs to do it's own thing.
Mike, I would be the first one to defend ANGC´s right to do what they please! I am not trying to shove this down their throught and I believe Payne would not go for something like this, nor the next Chairman. But I also think ladies golf is not always boring and would not be boring at ANGC.
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Lots of talk recently about something that will probably never happen, but would it not be interesting to see a Ladies Masters at ANGC?
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My guess is members tees would be too short, and maybe some of the old Masters tees can be brought back on selected holes.
Would be nice seeing 3 shot par 5s and long approach shots at some par 4s again.
I think the course would also play wider and with more strategic options.
WHY would it play wider with more strategic options ?
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Lots of talk recently about something that will probably never happen, but would it not be interesting to see a Ladies Masters at ANGC?
NO
My guess is members tees would be too short, and maybe some of the old Masters tees can be brought back on selected holes.
Would be nice seeing 3 shot par 5s and long approach shots at some par 4s again.
I think the course would also play wider and with more strategic options.
WHY would it play wider with more strategic options ?
Because in certain holes from shorter tees you are not playing out of narrow chutes, so a player that can not easily play a fade or a draw or is not long enough to fade or draw around certain trees can more easily play to certain locations.
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I think the ladies game would be better served creating its own traditions and highlights. Doing something like this could end up been at best a poor shadow of the men's event and at worst as the ladies selling themselves short with a tokenistic, cheap gesture.
Jon
I plan to make a suggestion (you'll see it Monday if you know where I write) on where the LPGA should establish its Masters equivalent. I don't think Mission Hills is the calibre of course needed for such a singular major championship. I also believe that the LPGA is positioned to be the first tour to have an Asian major. It has two US majors (Open and WPGA) and two Euro (Open and Evian), so my suggestion won't jibe if the fifth major is to ultimately find a home in Asia.
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Great idea.
Women's Masters
At CPC
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8) would rather see the girls playing ponte verde The Ladies Players
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The unspoken benefit here is that a lot more people would be able to experience ANGC and the amazing job they do in putting on The Masters.
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I think the course would also play wider and with more strategic options.
WHY would it play wider with more strategic options ?
Because in certain holes from shorter tees you are not playing out of narrow chutes, so a player that can not easily play a fade or a draw or is not long enough to fade or draw around certain trees can more easily play to certain locations.
There are no narrow chutes from the Members tees.
The only narrow chutes are on holes like 7, 11 and 18, but, only from the very back tees, which at roughly 7,600 are not in the equation for anyone but e longest drivers.
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Mike: Why is ladies' golf boring to watch? I watched the men almost exclusively until a few years ago, when I started to watch more of the ladies. Now I watch both, and I can honestly say that the ladies consistently produce a more interesting and exciting product. To say nothing about what Lydia Ko is doing, there is no disputing that the cream rises to the top more regularly in LPGA events than in PGA events (and I don't buy the theory that it's because there is greater depth in the latter than in the former), and that produces better Sundays. The ladies also have better (and more relatable) swings and better style. A one-off event at Augusta (not a Ladies Masters but perhaps a U.S. Women's Open) would be great to see.
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I think one woman's major should rotate, and if it hit AGNC and CPC and other great courses once in our lifetime it would awesome.
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I always kind of thought the Dinah Shore sort of acted as the LPGA's Masters.... It sort of built itself up that way. The shame in all that is that they play a pretty forgettable golf course (made worse by ugly mowing lines).
Augusta would never commit itself to a Ladies' Masters on their premises, but I wonder if they could be talked into having a Women's Open there as a one off. Of course, the ANGC would have to tell the USGA in no certain terms that "you will not lay a finger on anything". Wouldn't THAT be a fascinating battle of wills.
I'd still like to see the ladies play it in some form. The LPGA needs better venues.
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Matt, I agree with you about a one-off U.S. Women's Open at Augusta.
And, Ron, I think a permanent Australasian major at Royal Melbourne would be wonderful.
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Mike: Why is ladies' golf boring to watch? I watched the men almost exclusively until a few years ago, when I started to watch more of the ladies. Now I watch both, and I can honestly say that the ladies consistently produce a more interesting and exciting product. To say nothing about what Lydia Ko is doing, there is no disputing that the cream rises to the top more regularly in LPGA events than in PGA events (and I don't buy the theory that it's because there is greater depth in the latter than in the former), and that produces better Sundays. The ladies also have better (and more relatable) swings and better style. A one-off event at Augusta (not a Ladies Masters but perhaps a U.S. Women's Open) would be great to see.
The short game is boring and the pins are in easy locations and most good SEC men golfers could win every week out there. NOW don't think I wish to keep the ladies from playing golf...I just have no desire to watch them. I know that at one time ESPN had paid them like 28 mill for the TV rights for a season and could only sell 8 mill in advertising....A few years back an pretty average tour player was arguing with Laura Davies and said if he played the ladies tour it would not be a question of how often he would win but he would win each week. She wanted to play for a mill and both tours said no way ....why? because the guy was right....It's sort of like the tennis game where the top 4 men on any NCAA finals team could beat the Williams sisters consistently....and for those reasons people will not pay big money to watch...
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This is a natural for Trump. His daughter should work with prominent women CEOs and others to establish a Womens national golf course. Same formula, limited commercials. no sponsorships and a great golf course. The powers that be in women's golf would hate it but so be it. This would work.
Remember the Masters had to hustle tickets until Arnie came on the scene.
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Mike: Why is ladies' golf boring to watch? I watched the men almost exclusively until a few years ago, when I started to watch more of the ladies. Now I watch both, and I can honestly say that the ladies consistently produce a more interesting and exciting product. To say nothing about what Lydia Ko is doing, there is no disputing that the cream rises to the top more regularly in LPGA events than in PGA events (and I don't buy the theory that it's because there is greater depth in the latter than in the former), and that produces better Sundays. The ladies also have better (and more relatable) swings and better style. A one-off event at Augusta (not a Ladies Masters but perhaps a U.S. Women's Open) would be great to see.
The short game is boring and the pins are in easy locations and most good SEC men golfers could win every week out there. NOW don't think I wish to keep the ladies from playing golf...I just have no desire to watch them. I know that at one time ESPN had paid them like 28 mill for the TV rights for a season and could only sell 8 mill in advertising....A few years back an pretty average tour player was arguing with Laura Davies and said if he played the ladies tour it would not be a question of how often he would win but he would win each week. She wanted to play for a mill and both tours said no way ....why? because the guy was right....It's sort of like the tennis game where the top 4 men on any NCAA finals team could beat the Williams sisters consistently....and for those reasons people will not pay big money to watch...
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, Mike, and I respect it, but I think you're missing out. Have you watched Lydia Ko's short game? It's magical. And I simply can't wrap my mind around the argument that watching women's sports is boring because men (at lower levels) can easily beat them. (By the way, the one problem with your tennis analogy is that the men and women get paid equal amounts now at the grand-slam events. The disparity in golf is far, far greater.)
Jeff: I LOVE the Trump idea. Brilliant.
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This is a natural for Trump. His daughter should work with prominent women CEOs and others to establish a Womens national golf course. Same formula, limited commercials. no sponsorships and a great golf course. The powers that be in women's golf would hate it but so be it. This would work.
Remember the Masters had to hustle tickets until Arnie came on the scene.
Berg,
Great post. Would be a very wise idea for Ivanka to pursue.
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Mike: Why is ladies' golf boring to watch? I watched the men almost exclusively until a few years ago, when I started to watch more of the ladies. Now I watch both, and I can honestly say that the ladies consistently produce a more interesting and exciting product.
Women's golf is no more boring to watch then men's golf. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, it's all dreadfully boring to watch. I'm down to watching the back nine of the final round of the majors. I'll also put it on if it's a Saturday afternoon and I want something to take a nap to.
But I would tune in to see the LPGA players at Augusta.
Won't happen, but it would be interesting.
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I would watch the woman at Augusta.
The LPGA is its most watchable ever, and it would be interesting to see them tackle Augusta from the member's tees.
It can't happen as The Masters occupies the best weather patch before the rye wants to check out and it would be very difficult to ask the members to give up more of their already short playable season.
it would be quite interesting to see a Woman's Masters played in October before overseeding(which would put them a bit behind overseeding schedule)
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Mike: Why is ladies' golf boring to watch? I watched the men almost exclusively until a few years ago, when I started to watch more of the ladies. Now I watch both, and I can honestly say that the ladies consistently produce a more interesting and exciting product.
Women's golf is no more boring to watch then men's golf. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, it's all dreadfully boring to watch. I'm down to watching the back nine of the final round of the majors. I'll also put it on if it's a Saturday afternoon and I want something to take a nap to.
Then you're missing out on the instructional value of how you can improve your game.
But I would tune in to see the LPGA players at Augusta.
Won't happen, but it would be interesting.
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I think the course would also play wider and with more strategic options.
WHY would it play wider with more strategic options ?
Because in certain holes from shorter tees you are not playing out of narrow chutes, so a player that can not easily play a fade or a draw or is not long enough to fade or draw around certain trees can more easily play to certain locations.
There are no narrow chutes from the Members tees.
The only narrow chutes are on holes like 7, 11 and 18, but, only from the very back tees, which at roughly 7,600 are not in the equation for anyone but e longest drivers.
That is exactly what i was saying. Those holes will play wider for the ladies than the men.
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Mike, and so what if their short game is less interesting and the pins are set up easier? We would get to see a course playing close to what members play and to me a very interesting, strategic, and scorable course. In many ways it would showcase a better course still than what we see at the Masters. Less tricked up.
Jeff, i dont think playing before rye is seeded is an option. i have seen the fairways and surrounds in summer and they are not pretty or very playable. They would need extensive work. of course they have the funds to regrass but i wonder if a better surface in summer conflicts with the rye being perfect come October.
anyway, as we all believe, this will probably never happen.
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Before the Women's open at Sebonack, I heard a lot about how the short games would not stand up to the course and greens. I don't remember much talk after.
I think these professional women are a lot better than we amateur analysts give them credit for.
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Mike Young...."most good SEC men golfers could win every week out there."
What a silly thing to say!
Try this..."Most good 12 year olds would lose every week out there."
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Mike Young...."most good SEC men golfers could win every week out there."
What a silly thing to say!
Try this..."Most good 12 year olds would lose every week out there."
It's not silly at all. I respect the women golfers as women golfers but people will not pay to watch as they will to watch men's golf.
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Mike, I bet ANGC would sell thousands of tickets for a second week in April following the men's tournament and it would make for great Sunday TV. Only this is a great time of year for members to play prior to the course closing. Your claim people would not pay as much to see the Ladies as they would men is obvious. But again, my original post was not about economics, it was about getting to see people that play more similar to us on a course similar to what members and their guests play. I feel it is great golf on a fantastic setup.
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Mike, and so what if their short game is less interesting and the pins are set up easier? We would get to see a course playing close to what members play and to me a very interesting, strategic, and scorable course. In many ways it would showcase a better course still than what we see at the Masters. Less tricked up.
Jeff, i dont think playing before rye is seeded is an option. i have seen the fairways and surrounds in summer and they are not pretty or very playable. They would need extensive work. of course they have the funds to regrass but i wonder if a better surface in summer conflicts with the rye being perfect come October.
anyway, as we all believe, this will probably never happen.
MClutterbuck,
Curious what month during summer you saw the fairways that they were "not pretty and not very playable".
Very hard for me to believe they couldn't have perfect bermuda fairways by October knowing they had an event.
I've played on their bermuda fairways multiple times in the summer and they were perfect.
As for playing on bermuda in October, the answer is they wouldn't be perfect with rye in October,but they would be by November.
Plenty of places wait until October to overseed.
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Jeff, that would cut into some of the best weeks for members, i doubt October would work. The week after the Masters would seem the easiest to me, with all the grandstands and TV towers still up.
I am not saying they could not have perfect Bermuda fairways, I am sure they can very quickly with their unlimited resources and great staff. The beginning of August fairways I have seen are probably (and wisely) not maintained too much, they had weeds and dry patches and with a mix of grasses, mostly common and hybrid bermudas. Cut was high. I guess it is smart and ecologically sensitive not to maintain a pristine fairway that is not used at all. Why waste water and abuse the chemicals. Then again, it might have been a non typical week or year.
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Mike, I bet ANGC would sell thousands of tickets for a second week in April following the men's tournament and it would make for great Sunday TV.
Are you sure that the event wouldn't be considered: Deja Vu all over again, or Been there, Done That.
It would be........ anti-climatic.
Kinda like watching the NCAA World Series in Yankee Stadium right after the Yankees played the Dodgers in the World Series at Yankee Stadium
Only this is a great time of year for members to play prior to the course closing.
Your claim people would not pay as much to see the Ladies as they would men is obvious.
But again, my original post was not about economics, it was about getting to see people that play more similar to us on a course similar to what members and their guests play.
The LPGA players don't play "more similar to us". They too are in a league of their own.
I feel it is great golf on a fantastic setup.
Agree that the quality of golf is great and that the course is great, but, "The Masters" is an impossible act to follow, especially a week later.
I'd rather watch a special LPGA event at the same course every year at another iconic venue.
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First, they have men playing. Now, they have kids (boys and girls) on the grounds, too. Why not add women?
Personally, I enjoy watching Lydia Ko, Stacy Lewis, Inbee Park, Paula Creamer, Lexi Thompson, and Michelle Wie on a Thursday and Friday more than any male player on a Thursday and Friday right now.
I would love to see how the women play ANGC, especially considering how accurate they are with their hybrid clubs.
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Mike, I bet ANGC would sell thousands of tickets for a second week in April following the men's tournament and it would make for great Sunday TV. Only this is a great time of year for members to play prior to the course closing. Your claim people would not pay as much to see the Ladies as they would men is obvious. But again, my original post was not about economics, it was about getting to see people that play more similar to us on a course similar to what members and their guests play. I feel it is great golf on a fantastic setup.
I think they could sell more tickets to an event where we all went and watched the grass grow back in the crosswalks....
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How bout we start with this the monday nite after the SuperBowl...at the same venue....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfkKjATCu4E
Tickets would be easier to sell...
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The women had a very good 2014
LPGA Tour posted a +38% YOY increase in April with two significant milestones:
· LPGA Kraft Nabisco Championship's weekend coverage posting most-watched records for this major event (484,000, +16% YOY).
· LPGA Lotte Championship's primetime Saturday final round posting the most-watched regular season round (485,000, +108% YOY) since the Mobile Bay LPGA Classic in April 2012 (566,000).
Nothing to be scared of by putting the women on ANGC, Sawgrass, or Cypress, and it'd be interesting to see just how many multiples of the above numbers they'd get.
2015 is looking up for the LPGA:
The LPGA unveiled its 2015 schedule that will feature 33 official events, a total prize money increase of more than $4 million and a record number of hours in television coverage. Overall, players will compete for a total of $61.6 million in prize money next season and will be featured in 410+ hours of television coverage, besting last year’s record of 380 hours.
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Pretending to care about diversity in the game of golf has become a great talking point for Chairman Billy Payne and the current regime. Condi, the Drive, Pitch and Putt and the kids fest at the Par 3 contest could almost deceive a delusional person that they care about growing the game. They care about keeping THEIR game. And well they should. It's a private club that makes a killing by hosting the Masters. Say what one will about Chairman Bill, he understands how corporations play nice.
Having said that, there should never be another professional championship at ANGC. It would dilute the brand, the history and the uniqueness of the course in Amarican golf history. Making nice shouldn't lead to the diminution of something that is sui generis in our game, despite its sociological shortcomings.
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Why a joke Mike? You think it would not be interesting?
I think it is just plain stupid. ANGC is a private club and can do whatever they wish. They did the right thing when they told the sponsors to bug off about the Martha Burke thing. Billy Payne is the worst thing that has happened there and is commercializing a tradition. Let the ladies do their own thing. Ladies golf is boring to watch in the first place and it just needs to do it's own thing.
Golf is boring to watch period!
At least the ladies wear skirts. :)
A golf tournament is a slowly unfolding drama. If you familiarize your self with the PGA Tour players, then that drama takes on meaning for you. If you familiarize yourself with the LPGA Tour players, then that drama takes on meaning for you. So it is simply a matter of what you want to pay attention too.
Are your paying too much attention to the guys Mike?
;)
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Great idea.
Women's Masters
At CPC
This is what I have been promoting for years. The women shoot to low to desire to play at Augusta. I would love to see the women play their masters at CPC finishing on TV on Masters Sunday after the men have finished, which I always miss, because I am playing golf.
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This is a natural for Trump. His daughter should work with prominent women CEOs and others to establish a Womens national golf course. Same formula, limited commercials. no sponsorships and a great golf course. The powers that be in women's golf would hate it but so be it. This would work.
Remember the Masters had to hustle tickets until Arnie came on the scene.
Give me a break. The women can't stand the Trumpster, just like many on this board.
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Then you're missing out on the instructional value of how you can improve your game.
That's a bigger load of BS than even you typically produce.
;)
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I think they could sell more tickets to an event where we all went and watched the grass grow back in the crosswalks....
I didn't think you could find anything more boring to watch than golf, but apparently I underestimated you. ;)
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First, they have men playing. Now, they have kids (boys and girls) on the grounds, too. Why not add women?
Personally, I enjoy watching Lydia Ko, Stacy Lewis, Inbee Park, Paula Creamer, Lexi Thompson, and Michelle Wie on a Thursday and Friday more than any male player on a Thursday and Friday right now.
I would love to see how the women play ANGC, especially considering how accurate they are with their hybrid clubs.
Agreed.... the one thing about the LPGA is that the top 10 players seem to always be around every week. And they generally play most events too.
People still tune in to watch Tiger, but it's pretty frustrating when the guy plays one event a month.
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Then you're missing out on the instructional value of how you can improve your game.
That's a bigger load of BS than even you typically produce.
Garland,
This is why your game is stagnant.
I have a 16 year old son who's trying to improve his game.
I watch the PGA Tour events with him.
As we watch the telecast together, I point out things like posture, grip, spine angle, hand position, stance, acceleration through the ball, tempo, length of backswing on the various shots and more. When I would attend tournaments I spent the majority of my time on the practice tee observing all of the above and more.
You probably watch the flight of the ball while I'm focused on watching what will help me and my son play better.
Maybe you should watch more PGA Tour events😆😆
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The membership makes enormous personal commitment in making the Masters happen and it's the only club that gives up it course every year to host a men's major. To ask them to double that volunteer commitment every year is not reasonable.
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Why a joke Mike? You think it would not be interesting?
I think it is just plain stupid. ANGC is a private club and can do whatever they wish. They did the right thing when they told the sponsors to bug off about the Martha Burke thing. Billy Payne is the worst thing that has happened there and is commercializing a tradition. Let the ladies do their own thing. Ladies golf is boring to watch in the first place and it just needs to do it's own thing.
I am happy we live in a country where the First Amendment allows us to say ridiculous things.
EDIT: This probably deserves an explanation (which is not the same thing as an apology).
Mike, you start with the First Amendment principle that ANGC is a private club and can do whatever it wishes. But that principle doesn't insulate anyone from criticism, nor should it. Yet you immediately appear to denigrate Martha Burke for interfering with the private club's right to discriminate. And then you criticize the ANGC's current leadership for exercising their prerogative to not discriminate. Then you just go on and make out-of-left-field shots at women's rights and women's golf (and, by calling women's golf boring, you show a lack of awareness regarding the stereotype of all golf).
You can scowl all you want, but ANGC and what it represents isn't merely a neighbor's poker game. It's a serious symbol of the highest reaches of corporate America and the business world more generally. The metaphorical Calvin and Hobbs "NO GRLS ALOWD" sign on the doors of the powerholders of America is part of the glass ceiling that we should be striving to eliminate in order to continue to improve our country and the dream of opportunity it represents.
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If there was a market for watching golfers "who play the game more like us" at The Masters, Mike Weir would be a fixture in the featured groups these last few years.
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The short game is boring and the pins are in easy locations and most good SEC men golfers could win every week out there.
I went to a couple rounds of the event the LPGA had for a couple years at Mount Vintage Plantation, not too far from where I live (and not too far from Augusta for that matter). What was it, maybe 10-15 years ago?
I was mystified by the (lack of) short game on exhibit. Annika Sorenstam didn't seem to mess up as many routine short game shots as some of the other players but she never seemed to hit it close to the hole either. Admittedly I only watched a dozen or so players over two rounds but Cristie Kerr was the best chipper/pitcher/bunker player I observed and there are a few 3-handicappers at my club who could hang with her in a chipping contest.
Many of the players were unable to execute well on even the most routine shots around the green. I remember watching three of them in a row chipping from either the fairway or light rough on one hole, trying to get the ball up past a false front and then judge a good-sized break in the final 20 feet once the ball was up on the proper level. One of them had the ball come back to her feet, another hit a good chip that ran 10+ feet past the hole and the third hit the ball up on the green but totally on the wrong line and ending up miles away from the hole.
Every player on my local NCAA men's team chips those shots inside six feet. Probably one in three would have holed out or left it six inches. Perhaps the LPGA Tour today has better short games on display. Lydia Ko seems handy around the greens. But it's still a mystery to me why shot that require nothing but practice, judgement and touch wouldn't be executed at 100% as high a level by a 10-year LPGA veteran as by a similarly experience man.
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Brent,
You may enjoy this article about women landscape painters. I can not think of a statement that does not come off as sexists so will let the article, and the fact that great landscape painting is also dominated by men, speak for itself. I would think that how one sees a landscape may influence the ability to develop a short game.
http://tinyurl.com/q7culxe
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Can anyone who has played the course speculate on whether or not it would be an exciting venue for a women's event from the member tees? I suspect it would be a terrific event with the par fives giving a great advantage to the long hitters and the greens giving a great advantage to the best putters.
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Jason, I have played the course and I have played with good women, not LPGA pros, but top amateurs. I believe that the existing Member tees with a few Masters tees thrown in would make for a fantastic women´s tournament.
I believe ANGC is a fantastic course for amateur men and would also be for LPGA players (with abilities that fall somewhere inside the range of amateur men).
I would suggest 3 Master tees be used: 2, 13, 15 to make them into real real 3 shot holes for many of the players. The course would be just over 6500 yards. Probably other people that know a lot more than me about this might suggest differently.
I think we would see a lot more of the golf that was imagined with the original design.
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I would suggest 3 Master tees be used: 2, 13, 15 to make them into real real 3 shot holes for many of the players. The course would be just over 6500 yards. Probably other people that know a lot more than me about this might suggest differently.
I think we would see a lot more of the golf that was imagined with the original design.
I think you could probably use the Masters tees on 12 and 16 as well.
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I hope Michael Clayton can chime in, as he has recent first-hand experience of how the female professionals fare on the other great MacKenzie tournament course, Royal Melbourne. I assume he could also compare the women's experience at Royal Melbourne with the men's (either at the President's Cup several years ago, or, less so, at the Asia-Pacific Amateur Championship this past fall). Did Royal Melbourne play more "as it was intended to be play" for the women? If so, we might be able to extrapolate the same results to Augusta National, given that roughly the same design principles were involved in the creation of both.
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I would suggest 3 Master tees be used: 2, 13, 15 to make them into real real 3 shot holes for many of the players. The course would be just over 6500 yards. Probably other people that know a lot more than me about this might suggest differently.
I think we would see a lot more of the golf that was imagined with the original design.
I think you could probably use the Masters tees on 12 and 16 as well.
Holes 3 and 12 really make no difference. As I understand it, members and their guests play the Masters tees at both some days, they are really the same set of tees. Therefore I made no reference to these because 10 yards do not change the shot much.
It is obviously possible to use Master tees on 16, and maybe even 8 for that matter, if officials felt the course would be too easy. But I feel that these changes would really require a much tougher shot(s) than what men have to pull off given their relative distances.
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I hope Michael Clayton can chime in, as he has recent first-hand experience of how the female professionals fare on the other great MacKenzie tournament course, Royal Melbourne. I assume he could also compare the women's experience at Royal Melbourne with the men's (either at the President's Cup several years ago, or, less so, at the Asia-Pacific Amateur Championship this past fall). Did Royal Melbourne play more "as it was intended to be play" for the women? If so, we might be able to extrapolate the same results to Augusta National, given that roughly the same design principles were involved in the creation of both.
Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!