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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Scott Weersing on January 13, 2015, 09:59:46 PM
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If the 2021 US Open is at Torrey Pines, and this was agreed upon back in March 2014. And if the 2023 US Open is at LACC, no contract just yet, then which course is in the running for the 2022 US Open?
It would seem to be on the East Coast after the 2020 US Open at Winged Foot and the 2018 US Open at Shinnecock.
Here are some contenders:
1. Pinehurst No. 2, it would be 8 years since the last one in 2014
2. Merion GC, it would be 9 years since they hosted in 2013.
3. Oakland Hills, it hosts the US Amateur in 2017, but not really on the east coast
4. Ferry Point, it would be a long shot as it would be the third one in the state of New York, but who can predict where the USGA would go next.
Where do you think they should play the 2022 US Open?
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I'd like to see the Open return to Oakland Hills, but I think Pinehurst is more likely.
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Don't rule out Medinah.
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Don't count on the NY metro area as the 2022 PGA Championship is already slated to Trump National Bedminster.
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What about Trinity Forest in TX?
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Olympia Fields.
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I don't see Ferry Point as a Open venue, theres not enough excess property for tents etc.
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Chicagoland.
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I wouldn't rule out another TCC Brookline U.S. Open.
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What about Trinity Forest in TX?
I wonder if the USGA would return to Texas?
It was last there in 1969 at the Champions Club in Houston.
I wonder if Southern Hills will submit a bid. Does a club submit a bid or does the USGA send a proposal to a club?
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Olympia Fields.
I think Olympia Fields is out of the rotation for now as it was replaced with Erin Hills. The USGA goes to the Midwest, once every 14-15 years, with Hazeltine in 1991, Olympia Fields in 2003 and Erin Hills in 2017.
I think the USGA would like to take the US Open to Whistling Straits but it would probably be 2024 as Whistling Straits is hosting the PGA Championship in 2015, and the Ryder Cup in 2020.
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Atlanta athletic club.
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Atlanta athletic club.
Yes, it is possible as Jerry Pate won the US Open there back in 1976.
I thought that the USGA would never pick a course with bermuda greens but when they go back to Pinehurst No. 2, then it will be bermuda greens.
So it is not out of the question to go South for a US Open. Streamsong is out because it is too far from the needed infrastructure.
And here is another one that has not been mentioned, Inverness. It is host the 2019 Junior Am, so it may be submitting a bid. And Inverness hosted the US Open in 1979,1957,1931,1920. Would Ohio count as Midwest?
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Atlanta athletic club.
And here is another one that has not been mentioned, Inverness. It is host the 2019 Junior Am, so it may be submitting a bid. And Inverness hosted the US Open in 1979,1957,1931,1920. Would Ohio count as Midwest?
As one who spent his formative years in New York, anything west of Pittsburg is the Midwest.
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Atlanta athletic club.
And here is another one that has not been mentioned, Inverness. It is host the 2019 Junior Am, so it may be submitting a bid. And Inverness hosted the US Open in 1979,1957,1931,1920. Would Ohio count as Midwest?
As one who spent his formative years in New York, anything west of Pittsburg is the Midwest.
I concur with Tommy's assessment.
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Hell, I'm from Philadelphia, and I consider Pittsburgh part of the Midwest.
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Hi,
Given the 2021 at Torrey, the "rumor" of LACC in 2023, and the general bounce of the thing, I'd have to say my top contenders are:
1. Oakland Hills - (26 years since an Open...Am in 2016...will have been five years since Midwest will have had one)
2. The Country Club (longest time since - 34 years... Am two years ago...fits the sandwich between West coast venues...intrigues rumored since Merion selection)
3. Medinah 3 (long time since, 32 years...Ryder 2 years ago...will have been five years since Midwest will have had one)
4. Hazeltine (repeat...31 years..Ryder in 2016...repeat on Midwest)
5. Atlanta Athletic club
Nothing amazing there, I suppose - the bigger surprise will be if one of those five doesn't get it. I wish that would happen and that instead some unexpected wildcard like Newport got it...or wouldn't be amazing if an East Coast site like a Mac-Raynor...Fishers, Yale, NGLA. I would be glued to the screen when I wasn't there myself. I know those courses probably aren't the full championship test for today's elite, but to have a major championship on one of those would be a fun, "dream come true" - each for different reasons.
I'll say now that I hope the 2023 turns out to be Riviera, it's just about my favorite course to watch a tournament.
I'm amused at how our (mine too) appetite is so rapacious for such speculation...seven years in the future!
I think I genuinely understand about how the USGA (and any elite tournament body using a remote facility) must forward plan, and how big an enterprise it has become, commercially speaking. Still despite my own participation, there is a snapshot in there that is very ambiguous for me about whether this is all (the exacting preparations) a good thing or a worse thing in the main. It's as if the conduct of the tournament itself is no longer enough, no longer primary. This inchoate notion is present for me, even before the "Openizing" debate over possible architectural impact upon the course chosen to host.
Winged Foot was still just emerging from stakes, and mules, and explosions of rock seven years prior to hosting its' first US Open.
Golf and golf architecture and tournament exploitation were so much different then, I know it doesn't translate... but its seems to me whatever has been gained--commercially, publicly, industrially -- by the engineered spectacle has been balanced by losses in our sense of mystery and reverence about the conduct of the play itself. I'm subject to it too.
cheers
vk
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What about Trinity Forest in TX?
This is my vote. Or 2024.
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Hell, I'm from Philadelphia, and I consider Pittsburgh part of the Midwest.
wayne is correct. i'm from pittsburgh and while i was there lived in pennsyltucky. entirely different states.
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I wouldn't rule out another TCC Brookline U.S. Open.
You'd think if Brookline wanted it there would have been a Centenary Open there in 2013. That would have been historic.
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I am wondering where else in Boston or NE that the USGA could go for a US Open.
They could also go back to Congressional in 2022 but I think that the low scores from the previous US Open have taken it off the short list.
I wonder if Southern Hills will try for it. Or maybe Trump will buy some course in the next couple of years and then have try to have a US Open.
They could also do a US Open followed by the Women's US Open again in 2022 at Pinehurst.
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Hell, I'm from Philadelphia, and I consider Pittsburgh part of the Midwest.
wayne is correct. i'm from pittsburgh and while i was there lived in pennsyltucky. entirely different states.
To finely cut it I would say that just west of Lancaster in probably the end of the East Coast. Once you get out of the historic area of over the air Philadelphia television you really do get into what is a different state. More northern Appalachia than Mid-West and certainly distinct from the Bos-NY-Wash megalopolis. Getting out of the mountains as you get into Western Ohio is the start of the mid-West in my opinion.
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Olympia Fields.
I think Olympia Fields is out of the rotation for now as it was replaced with Erin Hills. The USGA goes to the Midwest, once every 14-15 years, with Hazeltine in 1991, Olympia Fields in 2003 and Erin Hills in 2017.
I think the USGA would like to take the US Open to Whistling Straits but it would probably be 2024 as Whistling Straits is hosting the PGA Championship in 2015, and the Ryder Cup in 2020.
I wouldn't necessarily count out Erin Hills for 2022. A short turnaround is unusual, but not unprecedented (BBLack was 7 years the first time around), and Davis -- who loves Erin Hills -- may wait to see how the crowds are in 2017 for the first US Open in Wisconsin before settling on a 2022 course.
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Atlanta athletic club.
I live in ATL...and for the love of God, please NO!
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2024: Pinehurst No. 2
2030: Merion
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Hell, I'm from Philadelphia, and I consider Pittsburgh part of the Midwest.
Wayne,
I was born and grew up in New York. Went to high school right outside Philadelphia. Lived and worked in Pittsburg twice. Lived and worked in Ohio several times.
Pittsburg is Pittsburg, neither the East Coast nor the Md West.
Oh, and I now live in Texas and it ain't the South!
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Well it looks like the 2022 US Open might go to The Country Club in Brookline, and then in 2024 going back to Pinehurst.
http://www.thepilot.com/news/u-s-open-returning-to-pinehurst-in/article_57623434-2a77-11e5-99d3-47407f29d18d.html
The 2024 date for Pinehurst seems about right after 10 years. I wonder if Merion would work for 2022.
It would also mean the 2025 could be Whistling Straits or Chambers Bay or Trinity Forest or (name of course here).
And then 2026 could be Oakmont as it would be ten years after the 2016 US Open.
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Ferry Point? Trump will continue to sabotage a US Open at any course affiliated with him.
WW
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Given the last non-coastal US Open will be Erin Hills in 2017, I'd have to imagine 2025 is somewhere in the midwest (yes I know Oakmont is not coastal in 2026). Olympia Fields, Oakland Hills, or my choice- Southern Hills.
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Given the last non-coastal US Open will be Erin Hills in 2017, I'd have to imagine 2025 is somewhere in the midwest (yes I know Oakmont is not coastal in 2026). Olympia Fields, Oakland Hills, or my choice- Southern Hills.
I know Oakland Hills really wants another Open. They may be making some changes coming up after next year's Amateur which could enhance their chances (and I'm not talking about another Rees Jones-fying of the place).
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Given the last non-coastal US Open will be Erin Hills in 2017, I'd have to imagine 2025 is somewhere in the midwest (yes I know Oakmont is not coastal in 2026). Olympia Fields, Oakland Hills, or my choice- Southern Hills.
I know Oakland Hills really wants another Open. They may be making some changes coming up after next year's Amateur which could enhance their chances (and I'm not talking about another Rees Jones-fying of the place).
I think Oakland Hills or Southern Hills would both be great choices with some touch ups.
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Ferry Point? Trump will continue to sabotage a US Open at any course affiliated with him.
WW
Agreed Wade, Trump is radioactive. What Golf Organization wants the international news media outside their gates re-playing the Trump speeches and interviewing protesters? Would set the game back a long way.
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Given the last non-coastal US Open will be Erin Hills in 2017, I'd have to imagine 2025 is somewhere in the midwest (yes I know Oakmont is not coastal in 2026). Olympia Fields, Oakland Hills, or my choice- Southern Hills.
I know Oakland Hills really wants another Open. They may be making some changes coming up after next year's Amateur which could enhance their chances (and I'm not talking about another Rees Jones-fying of the place).
I think Oakland Hills or Southern Hills would both be great choices with some touch ups.
Agree on OHCC. They have done some nice things recently like taking out trees and adding some heather/native grasses but Rees over-did his thing prior to the '08 PGA. They need to scale that back some and I think they will.
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If they go back to Merion they really should be targeting 2025, 75 years after Hogan's greatest triumph. Not sure how that aligns with other commitments and balancing geographic and public/private diversity.
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TCC...was at the club today and caddy suggested 2022 was in play. Of course, caddies know all, except the right 2nd shot yardage on #10.
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Given the last non-coastal US Open will be Erin Hills in 2017, I'd have to imagine 2025 is somewhere in the midwest (yes I know Oakmont is not coastal in 2026). Olympia Fields, Oakland Hills, or my choice- Southern Hills.
You are probably right in that the USGA needs to go somewhere besides east or west coast for 2025.
2018 is Shinnecock, 2019 is Pebble Beach, 2020 is Winged Foot, 2021 is Torrey Pines, ugh, 2022 is ???, 2023 is LACC.
I think Southern Hills would work for 2022 or 2025. I also think Merion would work also.
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Love to see it at OakHill
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Love to see it at OakHill
Sorry Rob but I think Oak Hill is permanently out of the mix for a future U.S. Open. I think the best they can hope for is a future PGA Championship and even that is no guarantee.
LACC and TCC are proverbial locks, some minor details need to be buttoned up but I believe it is a done deal for both clubs.
I think Mike Davis is taking a wait and see on Erin Hills. If the '17 Open is a success then Oakland Hills is likely out but if it's not then I believe OHCC will get the nod.
They will likely go back to Merion in 2030 to celebrate the 100th Anniversary of Jones winning the Grand Slam. And I believe Davis mentioned a real possibility of going back to Congressional in 2026 in celebration of the 250th birthday of our great country.
As far as going to Medinah? Very doubtful. When the Open was played at Olympia Fields in 2003 the USGA had major issues with Cook County and I honestly believe it will be a very long time before the USGA goes back to Chicago for a U.S. Open.
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No one mentions Baltusrol Don't know if the 2016 PGA is an audition, bit it is a historic USGA club and deserving of another Open.
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It's official. TCC in 2022:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/07/22/the-country-club-set-host-open/xbRYS3Ps1hur4qdloMvHLL/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/07/22/the-country-club-set-host-open/xbRYS3Ps1hur4qdloMvHLL/story.html)
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As far as going to Medinah? Very doubtful. When the Open was played at Olympia Fields in 2003 the USGA had major issues with Cook County and I honestly believe it will be a very long time before the USGA goes back to Chicago for a U.S. Open.
JP, Medinah is in DuPage County.
I think the only thing that would deter the USGA from going there is the club's close affiliation with the PGA of America.
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So the U.S. Open is set through 2024 (with Torrey Pines in 2021, TCC in 2022, LACC in 2023, and Pinehurst in 2024).
I'll be curious where they go in 2025. It will have been 8 years since a non-East or West coast Open (Erin Hills in 2017). I'll guess that the USGA goes to a place like Southern Hills, Oakland Hills, Olympia Fields, etc) in 2025. Just a guess.
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Don't forget, 2025 will be the 10th anniversary of Chambers Bay's first U.S. Open ;D
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Don't forget, 2025 will be the 10th anniversary of Chambers Bay's first U.S. Open ;D
Will the greens be re-seeded by then? Assuming the fescue doesn't work long-term, I wonder what type(s) of grass might be a viable option? 8)
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Don't forget, 2025 will be the 10th anniversary of Chambers Bay's first U.S. Open ;D
It will be interesting to see if the USGA deems Chambers Bay to be a "success" behind closed doors and award it another open. For all the potential the course seems to have those greens were really, really bad.
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Given the last non-coastal US Open will be Erin Hills in 2017, I'd have to imagine 2025 is somewhere in the midwest (yes I know Oakmont is not coastal in 2026). Olympia Fields, Oakland Hills, or my choice- Southern Hills.
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So the U.S. Open is set through 2024 (with Torrey Pines in 2021, TCC in 2022, LACC in 2023, and Pinehurst in 2024).
I'll be curious where they go in 2025. It will have been 8 years since a non-East or West coast Open (Erin Hills in 2017). I'll guess that the USGA goes to a place like Southern Hills, Oakland Hills, Olympia Fields, etc) in 2025. Just a guess.
Yes yes. Interesting guess there. ;) ;D
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Sorry, Alex. I honestly didn't see your earlier post. Great minds...?
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Sorry, Alex. I honestly didn't see your earlier post. Great minds...?
No worries haha! And yes, clearly.
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Don't forget, 2025 will be the 10th anniversary of Chambers Bay's first U.S. Open ;D
It will be interesting to see if the USGA deems Chambers Bay to be a "success" behind closed doors and award it another open. For all the potential the course seems to have those greens were really, really bad.
Of course Davis will call it a success -- he's virtually said that already, save for poor "communication" issues (not the actual conditions themselves) about the greens. When Mike Davis says something, it must be true 8) (except when it's not, as we saw in the debacle that was Congressional). It'll be back at CBay, fescue or no fescue.
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I think they will go back to Chambers Bay in 2025 or Merion in 2025.
Jordan Spieth winning the US Open put the stamp of approval on it. What would have happened if Brendan Grace won?
10 years later, the greens will be fine.
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Jordan Spieth winning the US Open put the stamp of approval on it. What would have happened if Brendan Grace won?
Why does the winner matter? Was the 2005 US Open at Pinehurst tainted by the fact that it was won by Kiwi Michael Campbell who's golf game seemed to have pretty much eroded after that 2005 golf season?
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Jordan Spieth winning the US Open put the stamp of approval on it. What would have happened if Brendan Grace won?
Why does the winner matter? Was the 2005 US Open at Pinehurst tainted by the fact that it was won by Kiwi Michael Campbell who's golf game seemed to have pretty much eroded after that 2005 golf season?
Because the game likes returning to iconic venues. Merion is Merion in part because of Hogan. Oakmont is Oakmont in part because it's where the favored local hero lost out to an emerging superstar who would go on to become the best player in the history of the game. Spieth may flame out, but if he's the one to make a run at Jack's major record, or be on the verge of winning 5 U.S. Opens, the place of his first U.S. Open victory carries a bit more stature.
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Jordan Spieth winning the US Open put the stamp of approval on it. What would have happened if Brendan Grace won?
Why does the winner matter? Was the 2005 US Open at Pinehurst tainted by the fact that it was won by Kiwi Michael Campbell who's golf game seemed to have pretty much eroded after that 2005 golf season?
I don't know if Scott was saying it matters to him. But if the USGA is looking for reasons to go back to CB in spite of all its "issues," someone like Spieth winning certainly helps them make their case from a public perception standpoint.