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Title: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Jim Hoak on October 05, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
A friend of mine is trying to rally support for a restoration of the Naval Academy golf course in Annapolis.  It is a Flynn design, has great bones, he says, but is in poor shape and in need of a restoration.
Has anyone played it?  What are your impressions of it?  Is it in need of a restoration?  Is it worthy of money being spent on it?
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Steve_ Shaffer on October 05, 2014, 09:37:27 PM
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=fd18e096afbabdc363a16cc4742aeb90&topic=45770.0

and

see#40 here:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=fd18e096afbabdc363a16cc4742aeb90&topic=45770.0
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on October 05, 2014, 10:34:05 PM
Jim, I have played the Academy course two or three times a year for over thirty years.  In all that time very little has changed.  Some bunker work and tree removal but not much else.  Conditioning is sometimes good and sometimes pretty lousy.  There is a joke that it depends on whether or not the Academy Superintendant plays golf.   It is routed on some very good rolling hills and has a few standout holes.  The greens don't have much movement but many have a great deal of slope.  I think the greens may have shrunk over the years.  I do not know for certain, but I would think that over the years bunkers have disappeared, although I can't recall any that have disappeared in my time there.

It could be an excellent course if someone did renovation/redesign work there.  For instance, the fourth hole is a 190 yard par three.  The green is pretty round, flat, and boring with a bunker not many frequent.  I'd be interested to see what it was like when the hole was designed.  On the other hand eight is a wonderful par four with a green diagonal to the fairway perched on a hillside and a deep bunker devilishly placed in the front of the green. It is a great hole. 

If could be a great test.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Chris DeToro on October 06, 2014, 08:08:07 AM
I played the Naval Academy course several years ago and agree with the sentiment here--it definitely has great bones, lots of character and charm, and would be much improved by some renovation.  I know there have been threads on the great military courses before and this one is certainly near the top, but the courses often get lost in the shuffle of the other amenities on base
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Joe_Tucholski on October 07, 2014, 04:58:59 AM
As an AF Academy grad (we just beat Navy football to, likely, take back the commander and chiefs trophy) I have to say I'm not a huge fan of the course.  My parents live real close by, as my dad is on the faculty at the Academy.  When I go back to visit I'll play the course occasionally if my dad wants to play.  I'm never too excited to play there.  As Tommy said a number of the greens are round flat with uninteresting bunkers.  Most military courses seem to end up this way even if they have decent terrain (as the Naval Academy does).  The courses are meant to provide recreation at an affordable rate and often are a place where beginners learn to play.  I'm not saying the course is bad.  If I were stationed there it would be where I played.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Chris DeToro on October 07, 2014, 07:44:28 AM
Yes, most military courses do become relatively uninteresting, which is unfortunate too because most of them are on great land and were designed by well regarded architects. 

How is the AF Academy course these days?
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Britt Rife on October 07, 2014, 11:05:33 AM
Don't count on any restoration to Flynn's old plans.  It seems that there is plan in place to lengthen the course here and there and to significantly modify certain holes--the Athletic Director believes that this will be to the advantage of the USNA golf team.   We'll see how that goes.  Fantastic course as it is, though. 

Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Bryan Icenhower on October 07, 2014, 12:46:17 PM
Yes, most military courses do become relatively uninteresting,

Interesting comment- why?

My grandfather is buried in the campus cemetery, have always wondered about the course but have never played.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: mike_beene on October 07, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
Inside the PGA tour is at the Naval Academy right now on Golf Channel
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Joe_Tucholski on October 08, 2014, 09:38:35 AM
...
How is the AF Academy course these days?

Chris unfortunately I haven't seen them since 2006.

Yes, most military courses do become relatively uninteresting,

Interesting comment- why?
...

Bryan I should say this is my opinion based on playing roughly 30 military courses, 9 of which I consider home courses.

Let's use my last home course, the courses at Eglin Air Force base, as an example.  The Eagle course was originally constructed by Langford and Moreau and opened in the 1920's.  The club was opened as a course for Chicago businessmen who wintered in the area.  Eventually the US Air Force took control of the course.  If you look at early aerials of the course almost every hole had fairway bunkers.  Currently only the 18th hole has a fairway bunker.  Also the green shapes have changed significantly.  So why is that?

My thoughts are the courses operate on a constrained budget.  This post is already straying a bit from the thread topic and I really don't want it to go further off topic regarding the merits of the US federal government and it's financing but basically most of the golf courses operated by the department of defense utilize something called Nonappropriated Funds.  Generally these funds are not funds appropriated by congress in the annual budget.  Instead they are funds raised by the sales of goods or services primarily focused on providing morale, welfare and recreation to eligible individuals (usually military members, their families and authorized civilians).  Some examples of these services include the golf course, bowling alleys, movie theaters, lodging, gyms, libraries, child/youth services (day care) and some school services (think extra curricular activities associated with schools on military bases).  Sure you are thinking all golf courses must operate based on what they can make, but the money from the golf course, which is usually a money maker, is put into a common fund and will offset some of the programs that will loose money (library, school services, gym...).  So when the budget is tight the operators of the golf courses need to save money somewhere and I assume they are going to take out bunkers and reduce green sizes.

I recently arrived at a new assignment and found the greens on the golf course were in pretty rough shape, to put it nicely.  Two weeks ago they shut down three greens for a week and laid new sod.  We are playing on them now.  They roll like shit and each green lost about two feet on the edges.  I can only assume the reduction in size was to save money on the sod needed to replace the greens.  I also assume smaller greens will save money on future maintenance costs.

To bring this back to the Naval Academy Golf Course.  The course is operated a little differently than most other DOD courses.  The course is essentially operated by a sub-organization of the Naval Academy Athletic Association (NAAA).  NAAA is a 501C3 non-profit organization and has multiple sub organizations.  Somehow operating this way allows the money to be raised differently and used differently (think alumni donations).  From my understanding this makes a large scale renovation of the golf course a more likely possibility.

p.s. if someone has more knowledge on the topic please correct any errors I have made as I'm by no means an expert on the ins and outs of government finance.  I just figured I could contribute as I'm in the military and spend my recreation time playing military courses.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Chris DeToro on October 08, 2014, 02:37:46 PM
I'm in a similar situation as well having grown up on military courses around the world.  Many of them are on great pieces of land and designed by well known architects, but they just don't get the attention and care needed to sustain some of the great features
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Bryan Icenhower on October 08, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
...
How is the AF Academy course these days?

Chris unfortunately I haven't seen them since 2006.

Yes, most military courses do become relatively uninteresting,

Interesting comment- why?
...

Bryan I should say this is my opinion based on playing roughly 30 military courses, 9 of which I consider home courses.

Let's use my last home course, the courses at Eglin Air Force base, as an example.  The Eagle course was originally constructed by Langford and Moreau and opened in the 1920's.  The club was opened as a course for Chicago businessmen who wintered in the area.  Eventually the US Air Force took control of the course.  If you look at early aerials of the course almost every hole had fairway bunkers.  Currently only the 18th hole has a fairway bunker.  Also the green shapes have changed significantly.  So why is that?

My thoughts are the courses operate on a constrained budget.  This post is already straying a bit from the thread topic and I really don't want it to go further off topic regarding the merits of the US federal government and it's financing but basically most of the golf courses operated by the department of defense utilize something called Nonappropriated Funds.  Generally these funds are not funds appropriated by congress in the annual budget.  Instead they are funds raised by the sales of goods or services primarily focused on providing morale, welfare and recreation to eligible individuals (usually military members, their families and authorized civilians).  Some examples of these services include the golf course, bowling alleys, movie theaters, lodging, gyms, libraries, child/youth services (day care) and some school services (think extra curricular activities associated with schools on military bases).  Sure you are thinking all golf courses must operate based on what they can make, but the money from the golf course, which is usually a money maker, is put into a common fund and will offset some of the programs that will loose money (library, school services, gym...).  So when the budget is tight the operators of the golf courses need to save money somewhere and I assume they are going to take out bunkers and reduce green sizes.

I recently arrived at a new assignment and found the greens on the golf course were in pretty rough shape, to put it nicely.  Two weeks ago they shut down three greens for a week and laid new sod.  We are playing on them now.  They roll like shit and each green lost about two feet on the edges.  I can only assume the reduction in size was to save money on the sod needed to replace the greens.  I also assume smaller greens will save money on future maintenance costs.

To bring this back to the Naval Academy Golf Course.  The course is operated a little differently than most other DOD courses.  The course is essentially operated by a sub-organization of the Naval Academy Athletic Association (NAAA).  NAAA is a 501C3 non-profit organization and has multiple sub organizations.  Somehow operating this way allows the money to be raised differently and used differently (think alumni donations).  From my understanding this makes a large scale renovation of the golf course a more likely possibility.

p.s. if someone has more knowledge on the topic please correct any errors I have made as I'm by no means an expert on the ins and outs of government finance.  I just figured I could contribute as I'm in the military and spend my recreation time playing military courses.

Thanks, makes a lot of commonsense sense to me
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Bryan Icenhower on October 09, 2014, 11:57:33 AM
Here is a link to a 2013 Master Plan for the USNA Golf Course Mike Sweeney posted on twitter.

http://www.mcdonaldgolfinc.com/design/usna/usna2013book.pdf
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on April 15, 2017, 07:03:45 AM
Here is a link to a 2013 Master Plan for the USNA Golf Course Mike Sweeney posted on twitter.

http://www.mcdonaldgolfinc.com/design/usna/usna2013book.pdf (http://www.mcdonaldgolfinc.com/design/usna/usna2013book.pdf)


Well the master plan is no longer there but I did finally get to play the course yesterday. In the golf course access issues of life, it is the only course where a Congressional Nomination was needed!

When you drive into the course, there are a few holes that run parallel to the road, so I was thinking it was a flat course. The opening hole sets the tone for the very nice piece of land that will come:


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I thought it was a terrific course. 9 & 18 are flat long 4's that simply bring you home but there are some really terrific holes, greens, and land out there. There are only three Par 3's and the first two are just okay, but the downhole 17th hole is a fabulous Postage Stamp style hole:
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The course sits in the middle of a bunch of support services for the main campus on the other side of the Severn River, so it is very busy on the perimeters unlike say Yale which is surrounded by woods.

With a restoration and a tweak or two to conditioning, it would sit in that base of William Flynn Philly courses in the Doak 6-7 range. With the end of my son's second year at USNA in sight, his time is a little more flexible. In the coming seasons, I hope to return.

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#GoNavy
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Dave Maberry on April 15, 2017, 09:21:10 AM
Here's a link to 2013 Master Plan:


http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/navy/genrel/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/master-plan.pdf


I don't know if any of this was implemented.

Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on April 15, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
In the aerial view of the course you will notice a little peninsula that juts out into the Chesapeake Bay. about twenty years ago the existing pro, Larry Ringer, pushed for a nine hole addition to the course. Some preliminary plans were drawn but nothing came of the plan. It could have been a nice addition to the existing course. I have no idea who drew up the plans. It might have been Ringer himself.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Ronald Montesano on April 15, 2017, 11:10:04 AM
Hey, Mike.


Tried to PM you, but ...


Ask your son if he knows Greg Sibick at USNA. Greg golfed for me (and was my student) at school in Buffalo.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on April 18, 2017, 08:48:08 PM

To bring this back to the Naval Academy Golf Course.  The course is operated a little differently than most other DOD courses.  The course is essentially operated by a sub-organization of the Naval Academy Athletic Association (NAAA).  NAAA is a 501C3 non-profit organization and has multiple sub organizations.  Somehow operating this way allows the money to be raised differently and used differently (think alumni donations).  From my understanding this makes a large scale renovation of the golf course a more likely possibility.

p.s. if someone has more knowledge on the topic please correct any errors I have made as I'm by no means an expert on the ins and outs of government finance.  I just figured I could contribute as I'm in the military and spend my recreation time playing military courses.


So I was at a reception tonight for USNA and federal employees are not allowed to fundraise. This reception had nothing to do with the golf course, and it had nothing to do with politics. Thus, the NAAA was probably established as a fundraising vehicle.


Because the land sits on the property of the USA/Defense Department, I am guessing that this is a complicated conversation when there are many other priorities in Annapolis:


https://www.usna.edu/NewsCenter/2016/04/contract-awarded-for-construction-of-cyber-building.php
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: John Mayhugh on April 21, 2017, 05:41:13 PM


With a restoration and a tweak or two to conditioning, it would sit in that base of William Flynn Philly courses in the Doak 6-7 range. With the end of my son's second year at USNA in sight, his time is a little more flexible. In the coming seasons, I hope to return.

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#GoNavy

In honor of our friend Bob, I observe that the untucked shirt is a long-standing Sweeney tradition.   ;)

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Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on April 21, 2017, 08:27:59 PM
Thanks for the flashback Mr. Mayhugh !

I have always loved your observations of accoutrements attached to golf course architecture. At least until I became one of the unorthodox accoutrements in your observations!!
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on April 01, 2018, 07:17:28 PM
Spoke to some USNA members today on the first tee, and they will be using Andrew Green for the renovation over the next two years:


http://greengolfandturf.com (http://greengolfandturf.com)

It sounds like Andrew broke away from McDonald since this plan was formed, but he is the author:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/navy/genrel/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/master-plan.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/navy/genrel/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/master-plan.pdf)


From the website:

https://usnagolf.com/the-course/#top (https://usnagolf.com/the-course/#top)

"Beginning in 2018, and over the next several years, NAGA will commit to the renovation of Greenbury Point. We will begin the restoration of William Flynn's vision with a bunker refurbishment as Phase III and IV of our capital project. In Phase V, we will create a complete set of greens, restoring missing green space and providing sustainable surfaces for the future. We will protect the investment in new turf with an updated irrigation system in Phase VI, and enhance playability with new fairway turf in Phase VII. This lengthy and comprehensive undertaking represents the next chapter in the legacy of Navy Golf."

_____________________________________________

Andrew Green on Twitter: https://twitter.com/GreenGCA/status/979300853927632896 (https://twitter.com/GreenGCA/status/979300853927632896)


__________________________________________________


Also of note, the project support extends back to Friend of Bob Huntley and Friend of many posters here - Admiral Hank Mauz:


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The Admiral's support of golf now extends from Cypress Point to Annapolis....
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Jeff Schley on April 02, 2018, 10:23:34 AM
Spoke to some USNA members today on the first tee, and they will be using Andrew Green for the renovation over the next two years:


http://greengolfandturf.com (http://greengolfandturf.com)

It sounds like Andrew broke away from McDonald since this plan was formed, but he is the author:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/navy/genrel/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/master-plan.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/navy/genrel/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/master-plan.pdf)


From the website:

https://usnagolf.com/the-course/#top (https://usnagolf.com/the-course/#top)

"Beginning in 2018, and over the next several years, NAGA will commit to the renovation of Greenbury Point. We will begin the restoration of William Flynn's vision with a bunker refurbishment as Phase III and IV of our capital project. In Phase V, we will create a complete set of greens, restoring missing green space and providing sustainable surfaces for the future. We will protect the investment in new turf with an updated irrigation system in Phase VI, and enhance playability with new fairway turf in Phase VII. This lengthy and comprehensive undertaking represents the next chapter in the legacy of Navy Golf."

_____________________________________________

Andrew Green on Twitter: https://twitter.com/GreenGCA/status/979300853927632896 (https://twitter.com/GreenGCA/status/979300853927632896)


__________________________________________________


Also of note, the project support extends back to Friend of Bob Huntley and Friend of many posters here - Admiral Hank Mauz:


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PfppCZNSVfE/WsIWCdFkG1I/AAAAAAAAUCc/NvAlagHqyvEZvjIl8JkcXgmPmThga9UGwCL0BGAs/w530-d-h398-n/IMG_2276.JPG)



The Admiral's support of golf now extends from Cypress Point to Annapolis....

Great news and thanks for the update.  I haven't played, but looks like a wonderful layout our midshipmen deserve.

Thank you to your son for his service!
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Scott Senior on April 02, 2018, 11:46:29 AM
...
How is the AF Academy course these days?

Chris unfortunately I haven't seen them since 2006.

Yes, most military courses do become relatively uninteresting,

Interesting comment- why?
...

Bryan I should say this is my opinion based on playing roughly 30 military courses, 9 of which I consider home courses.

Let's use my last home course, the courses at Eglin Air Force base, as an example.  The Eagle course was originally constructed by Langford and Moreau and opened in the 1920's.  The club was opened as a course for Chicago businessmen who wintered in the area.  Eventually the US Air Force took control of the course.  If you look at early aerials of the course almost every hole had fairway bunkers.  Currently only the 18th hole has a fairway bunker.  Also the green shapes have changed significantly.  So why is that?

My thoughts are the courses operate on a constrained budget.  This post is already straying a bit from the thread topic and I really don't want it to go further off topic regarding the merits of the US federal government and it's financing but basically most of the golf courses operated by the department of defense utilize something called Nonappropriated Funds.  Generally these funds are not funds appropriated by congress in the annual budget.  Instead they are funds raised by the sales of goods or services primarily focused on providing morale, welfare and recreation to eligible individuals (usually military members, their families and authorized civilians).  Some examples of these services include the golf course, bowling alleys, movie theaters, lodging, gyms, libraries, child/youth services (day care) and some school services (think extra curricular activities associated with schools on military bases).  Sure you are thinking all golf courses must operate based on what they can make, but the money from the golf course, which is usually a money maker, is put into a common fund and will offset some of the programs that will loose money (library, school services, gym...).  So when the budget is tight the operators of the golf courses need to save money somewhere and I assume they are going to take out bunkers and reduce green sizes.

I recently arrived at a new assignment and found the greens on the golf course were in pretty rough shape, to put it nicely.  Two weeks ago they shut down three greens for a week and laid new sod.  We are playing on them now.  They roll like shit and each green lost about two feet on the edges.  I can only assume the reduction in size was to save money on the sod needed to replace the greens.  I also assume smaller greens will save money on future maintenance costs.

To bring this back to the Naval Academy Golf Course.  The course is operated a little differently than most other DOD courses.  The course is essentially operated by a sub-organization of the Naval Academy Athletic Association (NAAA).  NAAA is a 501C3 non-profit organization and has multiple sub organizations.  Somehow operating this way allows the money to be raised differently and used differently (think alumni donations).  From my understanding this makes a large scale renovation of the golf course a more likely possibility.

p.s. if someone has more knowledge on the topic please correct any errors I have made as I'm by no means an expert on the ins and outs of government finance.  I just figured I could contribute as I'm in the military and spend my recreation time playing military courses.


Joe-


Thank you for your service! Our freedom is certainly no free...I truly appreciate people like you defending it!


Best,
Scott
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on April 02, 2018, 06:00:30 PM
The course is essentially operated by a sub-organization of the Naval Academy Athletic Association (NAAA).  NAAA is a 501C3 non-profit organization and has multiple sub organizations.  Somehow operating this way allows the money to be raised differently and used differently (think alumni donations).  From my understanding this makes a large scale renovation of the golf course a more likely possibility.

p.s. if someone has more knowledge on the topic please correct any errors I have made as I'm by no means an expert on the ins and outs of government finance.  I just figured I could contribute as I'm in the military and spend my recreation time playing military courses.


You got the basic formula of the NAAA. Basically USNA moved the entire Athletic Department into its own separate 501c-3 and it uses NO tax payer dollars. This gives them lots of freedom and I am surprised that other NCAA schools have not followed this model. The Army - Navy Game is a huge piece of the financial puzzle as it funds a big piece of the NAAA.


I think West Point is trying to get to the same place in terms of financial structure, but they would need to BLOW UP West Point Golf Course and the mountains its sits in to have a serious chance of rivaling the USNA GC.  ;)


#GoNavyBeatArmy  8)
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on April 02, 2018, 07:49:53 PM
 I hope it happens, but I have my doubts. I have heard about such plans many times.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on April 03, 2018, 05:00:30 AM
I hope it happens, but I have my doubts. I have heard about such plans many times.


I was told by the Members that it had already started at the practice area near the first tee:


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IKc_0TYZQBA/WsNCMIK48_I/AAAAAAAAUDQ/4l0uzo8zvPUMc3K78ht-98D86Bmf1WqyQCL0BGAs/w530-d-h398-n/IMG_2280.JPG)


And Andrew Green speaks:


https://www.instagram.com/p/B1RgTVsFo8i/
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Jim Hoak on February 20, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
Anyone have an update on this?
I understand that the restoration is underway/done?
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on February 20, 2019, 04:35:12 PM
Anyone have an update on this?
I understand that the restoration is underway/done?


There was nothing specific about the course in this article, but they tweaked a bunch of things in the '18-19 NAAA operating budget and the golf course is managed/owned/other by the NAAA:


https://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/navy_sports/ac-cs-navy-athletics-budget-20180706-story.html (https://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/navy_sports/ac-cs-navy-athletics-budget-20180706-story.html)


I was over on that side of the river for a Rugby match in the Fall of '18. I did not play the course, but the Rugby field is right there and I did not see or hear of any additional work other than what I previously posted.


Two more trips are in the books for April and May, so I will update if I see anything.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Jim Hoak on February 20, 2019, 07:52:25 PM
Answer my own question from sources outside GCA--
Most of the money raised--still need a bit more--all private donations, no government money.
Course will shut down this summer--done in one year.
New irrigation and new back tees already in.

Good Flynn and important course.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Bill Crane on February 21, 2019, 01:22:10 PM
Can't wait!  Good news on this.


Great to see a W Flynn course get loving and hopefully competent attention.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Ronald Montesano on March 02, 2019, 08:02:19 PM
Any idea when? I'm headed there in May for a graduation, and would love to play it before and after.


Hang up and listen.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Jim Hoak on March 03, 2019, 11:29:22 AM
My understanding is that the plan is to shut 9 holes in August, and the rest in October, of this year.  Hopefully, reopen May-June of 2020.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Ronald Montesano on March 03, 2019, 06:33:20 PM
Playing right into my hands!
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on May 25, 2019, 03:47:40 PM
We had a post-Commisioning BBQ yesterday and we were hosted by accident/coincidence, by a USNA GC member, USNA graduate, and he is very active with Navy Athletics. Andrew Green is confirmed to continue as the renovation architect, and the main work will re-start in August 2019. Andrew Green seems to mainly use Twitter to update his work - https://twitter.com/GreenGCA (https://twitter.com/GreenGCA)

It sounded great as the talk is they will "go back to the original William Flynn" holes. USNA GC could leap ahead of a few other Flynns that I have played as I really love the existing back 9, and the front should get better. I look forward to seeing the updated course down the road.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Joe Bausch on July 08, 2019, 10:40:23 AM
I had the good fortune to play the USNAGC last weekend with my Cobb's friend Mike Cirba and two GCA lurkers Mark and Pete.  It started out as a lovely day on a Saturday with a chance of afternoon thunderstorms. 

The terrain at the Naval Academy Golf Club is pretty darn good.  Right out of the box is a firm handshake first hole with a 2nd shot to an elevated green.  Then the 2nd is a short par 4 that requires precision, followed by a beautiful par 5.  I knew we would enjoy the course after the opening three holes!

The storm got near us on the 9th where it rained some on us.  We took a break for about 20 minutes before heading back to the 10th tee thinking the storm had skirted the area.  After our drives on the 12th hole a monsoon hit.  That darn storm camped over us longer than Iggles fans tailgating for a 4 PM game vs the Giants.  Thankfully there was a storm shelter down low by the 12th green.  After the storm passed and after we visited a friend of our hosts near the course, we played holes 15 thru 18. 

Andrew Green has begun a renovation of the course and it is just about to hit the meaty stages.

Anyway, I think you'll enjoy the photo album.

Use this link if you have a bigger monitor:

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/NavalAcademy/index.html

Otherwise, use this link:

http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/NavalAcademy/index.html
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Ronald Montesano on July 08, 2019, 11:42:12 AM
A) It's Andrew Green.


B) Plans are in the pro shop, on public display.


C) It begins this summer.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on July 09, 2019, 07:04:50 AM
Andrew Green is doing a complete and total renovation of Eisenhower Golf Course now, and it is the public option for Annapolis:
https://www.eisenhowergolf.com/ (https://www.eisenhowergolf.com/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-JQ-DtWsAAHPf-.jpg:large)

When they are both done, that is a pretty good combination to tie into a Navy football game weekend.


Thanks Joe for posting, and I forwarded them to some friends. #GoNavy
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on July 09, 2019, 09:13:18 AM
Both courses were in need of some intensive love and care. Both courses have a good routing and interesting rolling terrain. Neither overwhelm you with length but the green complexes at the Academy are very good with a lot of slope on the greens. I used to play at the Academy four or five times a year when I lived in Annapolis and enjoyed the course. One, seven, eight, ten, twelve, fourteen, and seventeen are standouts.
I played Eisenhower only three or four times but it has a lot of potential. I'll be interested to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: BHoover on July 09, 2019, 09:43:34 AM
When the courses are complete, play golf and skip the football.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Bernie Bell on July 09, 2019, 12:30:32 PM
Glenn Dale is an interesting option in that area.  Probably 30 mins west of USNA.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Stephen Northrup on July 11, 2019, 04:54:18 PM
Glenn Dale is an interesting option in that area.  Probably 30 mins west of USNA.


Glenn Dale is an interesting option indeed -- designed in the 1950s by George Cobb. Unfortunately, it's closing at year's end, so get there now.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Joe Bausch on July 11, 2019, 07:13:04 PM
Glenn Dale is an interesting option in that area.  Probably 30 mins west of USNA.


Glenn Dale is an interesting option indeed -- designed in the 1950s by George Cobb. Unfortunately, it's closing at year's end, so get there now.


Sounds like a nice road trip to photo-document Glenn Dale!  I hope I can make it work.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Bernie Bell on July 11, 2019, 08:42:33 PM
The 19th hole at Glenn Dale (the Black Hole) is unique.  Glenn Dale is probably fewer than 10 miles from University of Maryland course also by Cobb.  I haven't played UMD since it was renovated some time ago by Bill Love. 
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on August 06, 2019, 06:55:35 PM
In the spirit of Jeff Warne's interview with before and after pics, the USNA golf course transformation has been started by Andrew Green:


Joe's #18 from last month:

(http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/NavalAcademy/mediafiles/l84.jpg)


Andrew's #18 yesterday:


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBN7NiNXkAMxKf8?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

#GoNavy
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Scott Rosa on August 06, 2019, 10:44:34 PM
Having played this course countless times as a Midshipman, I always knew there was something special about this course (besides paying $100 a year to play as much as I wanted I believe). Of course, I knew nothing about it's lineage or history.  I have been anxiously awaiting the past couple of days because for some reason I felt somehow the plan would not happen. I look forward to seeing this gem being polished.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Craig Disher on August 07, 2019, 01:58:58 AM
Is the club actually "going back to the original Flynn holes?" That would be a heavy lift. Some of his holes were abandoned and the replacements from what I remember stand out as being obvious replacements (12, 13, and 14 are new holes with 14 playing to Flynn's original 14th green with new bunkers and from a new fairway 90 degrees offset from the original). Flynn's 3rd and 4th are now under the commissary. After seeing the photo of the new 18th green I'm curious how much attention is being given to keeping Flynn's original green surfaces. I believe his greens were never altered.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on August 19, 2019, 06:42:30 AM
Is the club actually "going back to the original Flynn holes?" That would be a heavy lift. Some of his holes were abandoned and the replacements from what I remember stand out as being obvious replacements (12, 13, and 14 are new holes with 14 playing to Flynn's original 14th green with new bunkers and from a new fairway 90 degrees offset from the original). Flynn's 3rd and 4th are now under the commissary. After seeing the photo of the new 18th green I'm curious how much attention is being given to keeping Flynn's original green surfaces. I believe his greens were never altered.


Craig,


Here is the update:




https://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/ac-cs-local-golf-report-0818-20190817-ylwxvnzk7nezplzaevmp7l3via-story.html (https://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/ac-cs-local-golf-report-0818-20190817-ylwxvnzk7nezplzaevmp7l3via-story.html)


It is Flynn’s original plans that are being used as a guide for the current restoration. Those holes affected by the government’s need for land in the fifties, numbers 12 through 14, will be reconfigured.

No. 12, which has been a par 4, will become a long par 3 while No. 13 will change from a long par 4 to a double-dogleg par 5 that will measure 570 yards from the back tees, which are used mostly by the collegiate golfers. No. 14 will remain a par 4, but with added distance that could make it a par 5 for the average golfer.


And Andrew Green updates:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1RgTVsFo8i/
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on August 20, 2019, 07:23:54 PM
I have never met Andrew Green, and I had a very brief email exchange with him a year or two ago when this renovation was in the concept stage. In the modern world of GCA renovations, he is pretty much adding us onto his crew. Here is his commentary on #18 at USNA, which I thought was the weakest hole on the back 9, but his comments about the "Hog's Back Fairway" made me re-think the hole as I have ALWAYS been left in the rough:


https://www.instagram.com/p/B1Znr56FWZc/
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on October 29, 2019, 05:42:26 AM
Comeback Tour in Annapolis by Tom and Wayne:

"Rick Woelfel is a Philadelphia-based writer and frequent GCI contributor. The author wishes to acknowledge the assistance of golf historian Wayne Morrison, the co-author, along with Thomas Paul, of The Nature Faker - William S. Flynn, Golf Course Architect."

https://www.golfcourseindustry.com/article/usna-naval-academy-golf-course-renovation-midshipmen/ (https://www.golfcourseindustry.com/article/usna-naval-academy-golf-course-renovation-midshipmen/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGoI1B_XYAAEBeS?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://www.golfcourseindustry.com/fileuploads/publications/24/issues/103583/articles/images/_15_Green_Finished_fmt.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE07lL6WwAAOxpo?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)



#GoNavyBeatArmy

PS - On a separate note Andrew Green looks like he took over the renovation of the Congressional Blue course - https://twitter.com/GreenGCA (https://twitter.com/GreenGCA)
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Anthony_Nysse on October 29, 2019, 06:17:26 AM

#GoNavyBeatArmy

PS - On a separate note Andrew Greene looks like he took over the renovation of the Congressional Blue course - https://twitter.com/GreenGCA (https://twitter.com/GreenGCA)



Cool thing about that, is Andy used to work on the maintenance staff at Congo. Was there for the 1997 Open.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Scott Senior on October 29, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Comeback Tour in Annapolis by Tom and Wayne:

"Rick Woelfel is a Philadelphia-based writer and frequent GCI contributor. The author wishes to acknowledge the assistance of golf historian Wayne Morrison, the co-author, along with Thomas Paul, of The Nature Faker - William S. Flynn, Golf Course Architect."

https://www.golfcourseindustry.com/article/usna-naval-academy-golf-course-renovation-midshipmen/ (https://www.golfcourseindustry.com/article/usna-naval-academy-golf-course-renovation-midshipmen/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGoI1B_XYAAEBeS?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://www.golfcourseindustry.com/fileuploads/publications/24/issues/103583/articles/images/_15_Green_Finished_fmt.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE07lL6WwAAOxpo?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)



#GoNavyBeatArmy

PS - On a separate note Andrew Green looks like he took over the renovation of the Congressional Blue course - https://twitter.com/GreenGCA (https://twitter.com/GreenGCA)


Mike,
Thanks for sharing the article! I can't wait to play it after these changes.
Cheers,
Scott


#GOARMYBEATNAVY
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: MCirba on October 29, 2019, 11:06:23 AM
If Green's work at USNA is anywhere near as good as what he did at Manasquan River it will be a home run.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Carl Nichols on October 29, 2019, 01:40:34 PM

#GoNavyBeatArmy

PS - On a separate note Andrew Greene looks like he took over the renovation of the Congressional Blue course - https://twitter.com/GreenGCA (https://twitter.com/GreenGCA)



Cool thing about that, is Andy used to work on the maintenance staff at Congo. Was there for the 1997 Open.


And I believe is doing the Congo renovation, following the club's decision not to proceed with Keith Foster.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on August 13, 2020, 06:57:29 PM
Congrats to Admiral Mauz, USNA Golf Course, USNA Golf Team(s), AD Chet Gladchuck, Architect Andrew Green, and our old friend Uncle Bob Huntley who introduced many of us to the generosity of golf. I hope to play the "new" course in Annapolis this fall. The United States Naval Academy GC is now re-opened:

https://twitter.com/NavyMGolf/status/1292616930055147521 (https://twitter.com/NavyMGolf/status/1292616930055147521)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfVdUqiWkAIUDuM?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on August 13, 2020, 07:35:11 PM
Well that is good news. I'll have to play it when I get back to Annapolis. I always liked the course.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Jim Hoak on August 13, 2020, 09:56:25 PM
Admiral Henry Mauz is one of the great men in golf--and outside of golf!  Former Academy golfer and later Commander of the Atlantic Fleet.  Others were involved in this effort to resurrect the Academy course, but Hank has been the driving force from Day 1!  Congratulations to all!
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: MCirba on August 14, 2020, 09:10:02 AM
Looking forward to getting back down there.

Thanks for the update, Mike Sweeney...hope all is well with you and yours.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: David_Tepper on July 04, 2021, 03:54:30 PM
Update on the course from golf.com:

https://golf.com/travel/naval-academy-golf-course-best-never-heard/?utm_campaign=forecast&utm_source=golf.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=%7Bdate%28&user_email=46711a7d8752dad1b1e7b5ee908db635b52d3af08061f8b9672ff1570f17bd75&utm_term=GOLFcom%20Top%20Stories%20Newsletter
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on July 04, 2021, 05:09:17 PM
I hope to get there and the newly renovated bunkerless Eisenhower GC in August. I had played the Academy course dozens of times and always knew it could be special. Can’t wait to get there.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Mike Sweeney on May 11, 2022, 07:40:56 PM
I am guessing a second course is a long shot, but "Uncle Chet" may have one more trick up his sleeve:


https://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ac-cn-greenbury-point-0511-20220511-rdmc35w6ofaoxdrgucunvrz6ke-story.html


Chet Gladchuk, president of Naval Academy Golf Association, said a golf course is just one element of the proposal the Naval Academy Golf Association submitted. Gladchuk also leads the academy’s Athletic Association. He said they don’t have a plan, but reached out to the Navy to see what it would support at Greenbury Point.

(https://images.bivy.com/lgTrailMap/4579800131829760.jpg)
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: MCirba on May 12, 2022, 12:23:48 PM
The restoration is really good as is the NEW UBER reverse redan.
Title: Re: Naval Academy golf course, Annapolis
Post by: Tommy Williamsen on May 12, 2022, 11:34:27 PM
Twenty some years ago there was a proposal at the academy to add nine holes in the same location. It could have been special. We’ll see what happens now but I wouldn’t hold my breath.