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Title: The name in the envelope
Post by: David Stamm on September 27, 2014, 11:07:22 AM
It appears that Jimmy Walker MAY be injured. If he can't go tomorrow. ....


.... we will see the name in the envelope for Europe. I wonder who it might be.....
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Ronald Montesano on September 27, 2014, 11:33:52 AM
My guess is Gallacher.
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: David Stamm on September 27, 2014, 12:03:25 PM
My guess is Gallacher.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Bill Seitz on September 27, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
Maybe all 12 of our guys should say they're injured.  Might keep the final margin a bit less embarrassing.
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Mark Pearce on September 27, 2014, 07:18:47 PM
It really, really shouldn't be but the feeling in our house is that McGinley has put Dubuisson's name in the envelope.
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Dean Stokes on September 27, 2014, 07:35:10 PM
Stenson. He sat out today with a bad back. Dubuisson may be Europes best!  All over anyway. Paddy Power got the US at 10/1 to win the event.
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Bill_McBride on September 27, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
It really, really shouldn't be but the feeling in our house is that McGinley has put Dubuisson's name in the envelope.

Why?
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Kevin_Reilly on September 27, 2014, 11:23:52 PM
Why?

That would be consistent with Paul Azinger's point of view when he was captain....from Golfweek:

“That’s probably the hardest decision you have to make as captain,” Azinger said. “I didn’t know what to do at first. If the name gets revealed, you potentially have shattered someone’s confidence. And then it hit me like a ton of bricks. Could the individual handle it if they were exposed? I’m going to put who I think is the most secure individual in this envelope. I cared about my guys, and the last thing I wanted to do was damage someone’s psyche. So I actually had a very good player in there.”
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Mark Pearce on September 28, 2014, 02:07:35 AM
McGinley doesn't seem to be a fan, having only played him twice and Gallacher (who it possibly should be) is the local favourite.
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Matthew Mollica on September 28, 2014, 04:14:05 AM
Kevin - that doesn't surprise me. Zinger was most impressive during his interview for the History of the Ryder Cup doco we saw on TV here last week. I imagine all 12 would love playing for him, and he would extract the most from his team.

MM
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: David Stamm on September 28, 2014, 01:33:52 PM
It was a moot point anyway. Walker won his match.

Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Bill_McBride on September 28, 2014, 03:31:29 PM
Why?

That would be consistent with Paul Azinger's point of view when he was captain....from Golfweek:

“That’s probably the hardest decision you have to make as captain,” Azinger said. “I didn’t know what to do at first. If the name gets revealed, you potentially have shattered someone’s confidence. And then it hit me like a ton of bricks. Could the individual handle it if they were exposed? I’m going to put who I think is the most secure individual in this envelope. I cared about my guys, and the last thing I wanted to do was damage someone’s psyche. So I actually had a very good player in there.”

Following that logic, McIlroy's name would have been in there!
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: jeffwarne on September 28, 2014, 04:31:41 PM
Too bad Mickelson's name wasn't in the envelope.

I truly think the whole Captainship thing is s overrated and shouldn't be an all encompassing job for 2 years.
That said,
There's a time and a place as an active Ryder Cupper (Mickelson) for evaluation of what to do better.
Show some respect for a Captain who has put his heart and soul into this event for 2 years, and is a proven winner and team Captain.
Even /especially if you don't agree with his philosophy.
Watson took the high road.
Mickelson's comments to the reporter who called him disloyal are like when you start an insult by saying "no offense but....."
and then deeply offend them

Wait for the appropriate time and perhaps your words will be heard and respected ,particularly if your criticism is constructive and justified.

Otherwise you just look like a FIGJAM boob-which he did.
and I had previously been a Mickelson fan and was somewhat lukewarm on Watson.

Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Thomas Dai on September 28, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
In 1992 when Steve Pate wasn't able play at Kiawah it was David Gilford who sat out for the Euro's so I guess DG's name was in the envelope.

Lanny Watkins volunteered to sit out when Sam Terrance damaged his toe and couldn't play in 1993. I recall comments made at the time that his name wasn't actually the name in the envelope. I wonder who was actually the name in the envelope?

Any other recent or recentl-ish instances?

atb
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Ronald Montesano on September 28, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
The Larry Nelson curse continues.

The US PGA blew it when a Vietnam vet, self-taught (via the Hogan book) and TWO-TIME PGA CHAMPION, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, was denied the opportunity to captain the team.

Pavin, Lehman, Crenshaw, Kite, Strange, Watson...six of your last nine captains never won the PGA Championship.

For years, they said that his time had passed. Then, they selected Old Tom Watson, who surrounded himself with Old Ray Floyd and Old Andy North, an out-of-touch triumvirate if ever there was one. Only the 11th-Hour selection of Steve Stricker brought a sub-60 (age) member to the administrative team. Talk about a slap in the face to Old Larry.

For shame, PGA of America, for shame.
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: jeffwarne on September 28, 2014, 10:52:53 PM
The Larry Nelson curse continues.

The US PGA blew it when a Vietnam vet, self-taught (via the Hogan book) and TWO-TIME PGA CHAMPION, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, was denied the opportunity to captain the team.

Pavin, Lehman, Crenshaw, Kite, Strange, Watson...six of your last nine captains never won the PGA Championship.

For years, they said that his time had passed. Then, they selected Old Tom Watson, who surrounded himself with Old Ray Floyd and Old Andy North, an out-of-touch triumvirate if ever there was one. Only the 11th-Hour selection of Steve Stricker brought a sub-60 (age) member to the administrative team. Talk about a slap in the face to Old Larry.

For shame, PGA of America, for shame.

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Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Jim Franklin on September 29, 2014, 01:29:53 PM
The Larry Nelson curse continues.

The US PGA blew it when a Vietnam vet, self-taught (via the Hogan book) and TWO-TIME PGA CHAMPION, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, was denied the opportunity to captain the team.

Pavin, Lehman, Crenshaw, Kite, Strange, Watson...six of your last nine captains never won the PGA Championship.

For years, they said that his time had passed. Then, they selected Old Tom Watson, who surrounded himself with Old Ray Floyd and Old Andy North, an out-of-touch triumvirate if ever there was one. Only the 11th-Hour selection of Steve Stricker brought a sub-60 (age) member to the administrative team. Talk about a slap in the face to Old Larry.

For shame, PGA of America, for shame.

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Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: David Stamm on September 29, 2014, 03:11:30 PM
The Larry Nelson curse continues.

The US PGA blew it when a Vietnam vet, self-taught (via the Hogan book) and TWO-TIME PGA CHAMPION, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, was denied the opportunity to captain the team.

Pavin, Lehman, Crenshaw, Kite, Strange, Watson...six of your last nine captains never won the PGA Championship.

For years, they said that his time had passed. Then, they selected Old Tom Watson, who surrounded himself with Old Ray Floyd and Old Andy North, an out-of-touch triumvirate if ever there was one. Only the 11th-Hour selection of Steve Stricker brought a sub-60 (age) member to the administrative team. Talk about a slap in the face to Old Larry.

For shame, PGA of America, for shame.

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Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Tom Walsh on September 29, 2014, 03:29:06 PM
The Larry Nelson curse continues.

The US PGA blew it when a Vietnam vet, self-taught (via the Hogan book) and TWO-TIME PGA CHAMPION, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, was denied the opportunity to captain the team.

Pavin, Lehman, Crenshaw, Kite, Strange, Watson...six of your last nine captains never won the PGA Championship.

For years, they said that his time had passed. Then, they selected Old Tom Watson, who surrounded himself with Old Ray Floyd and Old Andy North, an out-of-touch triumvirate if ever there was one. Only the 11th-Hour selection of Steve Stricker brought a sub-60 (age) member to the administrative team. Talk about a slap in the face to Old Larry.

For shame, PGA of America, for shame.

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As most of u know, Larry also won the US Open beating.........Tom Watson by a stroke
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Jay Flemma on September 29, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
At Oakmont, no less!
Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Steve Wilson on September 29, 2014, 08:55:12 PM
Is there any possibility that Nelson doesn't want the captaincy?  That he has told them quietly behind the scenes he isn't interested is the only way the failure to name him makes any sense. 

and if he would accept it

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Title: Re: The name in the envelope
Post by: Ronald Montesano on September 29, 2014, 09:17:28 PM
http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/brandel-chamblee-larry-nelson-should-be-2016-ryder-cup-captain