B-I don't see Maidstone on the list.
I think, after much hand wringing, it has been determined that Philmont (outside Philly) is a Park, not a Flynn.
I think, after much hand wringing, it has been determined that Philmont (outside Philly) is a Park, not a Flynn.
Jim,
Could the north course be the Flynn and South course be the Park Jr? The clubs website isn't specific in that regard. http://www.philmontcc.org/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&pageid=377030&ssid=293039&vnf=1
I thought Tom Macwood uncovered that Toledo CC was William Watson?
Chris
I believe he did OFCC North, most recently renovated by Mark Mungeam. OFCC South is a composite from parts of OFCC's other courses largely Tom Bendelow, most recently renovated by Steve Smyers. Both had work done by Jack Daray and the Packards from time to time.
How many holes did he do at Meadowbrook Country Club - Private in (Northville, MI)?
How many holes did he do at Meadowbrook Country Club - Private in (Northville, MI)?
6 holes
http://mccgcm.blogspot.com/2011/12/northville-historical-society-tribute.html
BC,
Its a pedantic point I'm afraid, but the entry for Notts should really read "Notts Golf Club (Hollinwell)" as that is the full title.
Notts being the club, which was previously at a couple of other courses in the later part of the 19th Century (one now known as Bulwell Forest was also laid out by Park Jnr I think?) before moving to its current course known as Hollinwell in 1901 the original layout for which was done by Park Jnr.
Cheers,
James
I thought Misquamicut in RI was a Donald Ross but could be mistaken
Sven, I thought Grove Park Inn was Barker?
Can anyone comment on the Peterhead Courses. These are near enough Cruden Bay and I winder should I take a look when I am there?
I have sung the praises of BurntIsland many times on this site
Sven,
I think there have been a number of threads where Grove Park has been discussed. Here is a link to a Tom MacWood thread wherein he straightens out some of the history. (Ironically, by the time Tom straightened it out, the course had already done extensive Ross restoration work, even though Ross's work there was minimal at most.)
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,18432.0.html
The gist is that the course couldn't have been Willie Park in 1909 because Park wasn't in the country. Tom MacWood was able to put Park there in 1916-1917, but changes were not made to the course at this point, and Tom suggested that either Park had suggested changes which were not carried out, or that Park had offered plans for a second course that was not built.
Either way, while Park did list it in his advertising, it doesn't sound like it is a Park course. Or at least there is no evidence confirming that it is a Park course.
BC,
Its a pedantic point I'm afraid, but the entry for Notts should really read "Notts Golf Club (Hollinwell)" as that is the full title.
Notts being the club, which was previously at a couple of other courses in the later part of the 19th Century (one now known as Bulwell Forest was also laid out by Park Jnr I think?) before moving to its current course known as Hollinwell in 1901 the original layout for which was done by Park Jnr.
Cheers,
James
I didn't realise Bulwell was a Park Jnr too, though to be honest I'd never bothered to even think about who designed it. I've always quite liked it, far more interesting than the other muni's in Nottingham and you always see some interesting sights from the local estate too.....It's pretty tight on space now but the routing covers the hillier parts of the course well which does seem quite Park like so you could well be right.
If you want fast & firm it's always a good bet during the summer!
Sven,
Likewise, the listing in Park's promotional material doesn't prove he designed it, especially given that there is no indication elsewhere that Park did anything on the ground in 1916-17 or at any other time. I don't think it makes sense to list Park as the designer (or even one of the designers) without some proof.
The best evidence I recall that strongly suggested it couldn't have been Park was the stick routing from circa 1913. As I recall, stick routing showed the same basic course as existed long after Park supposedly (re)designed it, with the only changes relating to the area around the new clubhouse (the minor Ross changes.)
Ben,
I have gone through the book on Willie Park Jr by Walter Stephen and cross checked the courses they list with the courses you list, and here are the courses that you might consider adding to your list;
I might make the note that some of the courses may have altered, some may no longer exist, some may have changed name. I am not sure of the extent of Park's work on these courses and have not crossed checked the list against other sources for accuracy, but I am sure someone will do that in due course. Either way, it is an impressive list of work, and one that should be documented properly.
Scotland
Bo'ness
Bridge of Weir
Carnoustie
Crieff
Dalkeith and Newbattle
Forres
Gailes
Glencorse
Glasgow
Granton-on-Spey
Innellan
Jedburgh
Kilspindie
Melrose
Monifieth
Murrayfield
New Luftness
Selkirk
Shiskine
St Boswells
Torwoodlee
Turnhouse
England
Acton
Aldeburgh
Alnworth
Barry
Berkhamstead
Berwick-upon-Tweed
Bexhill
Blundell Sands
Brighton & Hove
Broadstone
Cambridge University
Cannon's Park
Chiselhurst
Coombe Hill
Cuckfield
Edgeware
Formby
Gravesend
Frinton-on-Sea
Goswick
Hartlepool
Headingley
Hendon
Knebworth
Lombardzide
Muswell Hill
Neasdon
Newbigging-by-Sea
Northhampton
Nottingham
Richmond
Seaford
Sheerness
Shooters Hill
Sunbridge Park
Tooting Bec
Totteridge
Tranmere
Tynemouth
Wembley
West Middlesex
Ireland
Killarney
Larne
Londonderry
Europe
Antwerp
La Boulie
Dieppe
Costbelle, Hyeres
Dinard
Evian-les0Bains
Monte Carlo
Rouen
Vienna
Canada
Abitibi Power and Paper Co, Iroquois Falls, ON
Bowness GC, Calgary, AB
Calgary St Andrews GC, Calcary, AB
Islesmere GC, Islesmere, QC
Kentville GC, Kentville, NS
Senneville Country Club, Senneville, QC
Summerlea GC, Montreal, QC
USA
Alton Beach Country Club, Miami, FL
Asheville Country Club, Asheville, NC
Automobile CC, Detroit, MI
Baltimore Country Club, Baltimore, MD
Country Club of Atlantic City, Northfield, NJ
Defiance Country Club, Defiance, OH
Glen Ridge Country Club, Glen Ridge, NJ
Grand Rapids Country Club, Grand Rapids, MI
Green Valley Country Club, Roxborough, PA
Hoosie-Whisick Club, Canton, MA
Metacomet Golf Club, East Providence, RI
New Bedford Country Club, New Bedford, MA
New Canaan Country Club, New Canaan, CI
Ocean City Country Club, Ocean City, NJ
Pittsburgh Field Club, Pittsburgh, PA
St Albans Golf Club, St Albans, NY
State College, State College, PA
Just have a question about Rolland Road GC in MD. You say 'Rolling Road'. Is this correct, or is it 'Rolland'?
David:
There is nothing dispositive either way, nor on the extent of his work. My preference for a comprehensive listing would be to note Park's visit with the disclaimer that it is unclear what exactly he did. That is how I have it in my files.
Sven
David:
There is nothing dispositive either way, nor on the extent of his work. My preference for a comprehensive listing would be to note Park's visit with the disclaimer that it is unclear what exactly he did. That is how I have it in my files.
Sven
For your files (or mine) that makes sense, but my inclination for a list such as being created in this thread would be to leave the course off unless something tangible actually links Willie Park Jr. to some work which was actually performed on the ground.
Given that the routing was roughly the same before Park's involvement and after, it sure doesn't seem like we ought to be calling this a Park course.
Dan:
Wasn't Interlachen Willie Watson?
Sven
Automobile CC, Detroit, MI - Same as Pine Lake CC.
Automobile CC, Detroit, MI - Same as Pine Lake CC.
When did this name change happen? Any more detail?
Whenever you see a well done false front , think Willie Park , Jr.
Whenever you see a well done false front , think Willie Park , Jr.
Interesting that you should say this, whenever I see a good false front I always think of Colt.
I wonder whether the Sunningdale connection has anything to do with this?
;D :D
I'm particularly intrigued with Park's use of false fronts do defend par . At Greate Bay ( originally Somers Point -Ocean City GC ). He used them very effectively . Many of them are small in stature but have lots of impact , notably on what are now our tenth and seventeenth holes. The 17 th is really ,really well done, particularly because a good drive leaves you on a slightly down hill lie , making it harder to flight the ball just right .
Whenever you see a well done false front , think Willie Park , Jr.
Ben:
Curious as to your sources on the GPI info you posted, please let me know. I have not seen anything discussing Ross being involved prior to the 20's. MacWood's research was pretty sound on Barker's work around 1911.
Sven
To avoid any confusion, many of the US courses Scott provided as additions have been noted elsewhere in this thread:
USA
Alton Beach Country Club, Miami, FL - this is the same as the Miami Beach CC Bayshore Course.
Asheville Country Club, Asheville, NC - this is the same as Grove Park Inn.
Automobile CC, Detroit, MI - Same as Pine Lake CC.
Country Club of Atlantic City, Northfield, NJ - Same as Atlantic City CC.
Hoosie-Whisick Club, Canton, MA - Same as Milton-Hoosic Club.
New Bedford Country Club, New Bedford, MA - Same as CC of New Bedford.
New Canaan Country Club, New Canaan, CI - Same as CC of New Canaan.
Ocean City Country Club, Ocean City, NJ - Same as Greate Bay CC.
State College, State College, PA - Same as Blue and Nittany courses at Penn State.
I have some questions regarding some of the other listings:
Baltimore Country Club, Baltimore, MD - Attributed to Willie Dunn.
Defiance Country Club, Defiance, OH - Attributed to Bendelow, would like more information to clear this up.
Metacomet Golf Club, East Providence, RI - Pretty sure this is a confusion with Agawam, which was originally designed by Park. The members of Agawam purchased the Metacomet course in the 20's, which I understand was built by Ross.
To avoid any confusion, many of the US courses Scott provided as additions have been noted elsewhere in this thread:
USA
Alton Beach Country Club, Miami, FL - this is the same as the Miami Beach CC Bayshore Course.
Asheville Country Club, Asheville, NC - this is the same as Grove Park Inn.
Automobile CC, Detroit, MI - Same as Pine Lake CC.
Country Club of Atlantic City, Northfield, NJ - Same as Atlantic City CC.
Hoosie-Whisick Club, Canton, MA - Same as Milton-Hoosic Club.
New Bedford Country Club, New Bedford, MA - Same as CC of New Bedford.
New Canaan Country Club, New Canaan, CI - Same as CC of New Canaan.
Ocean City Country Club, Ocean City, NJ - Same as Greate Bay CC.
State College, State College, PA - Same as Blue and Nittany courses at Penn State.
I have some questions regarding some of the other listings:
Baltimore Country Club, Baltimore, MD - Attributed to Willie Dunn.
Defiance Country Club, Defiance, OH - Attributed to Bendelow, would like more information to clear this up.
Metacomet Golf Club, East Providence, RI - Pretty sure this is a confusion with Agawam, which was originally designed by Park. The members of Agawam purchased the Metacomet course in the 20's, which I understand was built by Ross.
Defiance Country Club, Defiance, OH - Attributed to Bendelow, would like more information to clear this up.
I used to play an annual Jr. tourney at this course. I don't think it was a park course, the front nine possibly for the back 9 i think is post golden age. The course is now semi-private and called Eagle Rock. http://www.golfeaglerock.com/
Dan:
Wasn't Interlachen Willie Watson?
Sven
Yes. And then Ross. I thought Willie Park played a role, too, but apparently I was wrong.
The Grove Park Inn course history is more straightforward with the expansion of the Swannanoa Country Club into golf beginning with a basic golf course at the location of their hunt club. As golf gained popularity amongst the members golf was moved to the current property and the name was changed to the Asheville Country Club, a full 18 hole course was completed around 1905. Donald Ross was brought in to improve the course in 1913 but it does not appear he did a significant amount of work to alter the original layout. Much of the layout changes were in response to a clubhouse fire in the 20's and the expansion of the hotel in the 80's. The clubs name was changed again in the mid '40s to Country Club of Asheville and the course was sold to the Grove Park Inn in 1976.
Joe:
Nice find on Park and the Kenilworth Inn course.
The Inn was built in 1917 to replace an earlier version that had burned down, but before it could open it was taken over by the Army as a hospital. Today it remains as an apartment building in the Kenilworth section of Asheville, which at one point was a separate town. I'd venture the course was never built, as no record of a "Happy Valley" or "Kenilworth Inn" course exists.
My guess is that this is the source of the confusion for the attribution of Park to Asheville CC/Grove Park Inn. He listed a course in Asheville in later ads. It is possible he did some work at Asheville CC while in town, and it is also possible his work only pertained to this project.
Sven
As I hinted at in my previous post, Sven, I'm pretty sure this Happy Valley CC opened at least with 9 holes as this article mentions (from the May 18, 1919 edition of the Charlotte Observer):
Cascade hills never heard anything about.
Not to be a nit pick. GR is 2+ hours from Metro D.
As I hinted at in my previous post, Sven, I'm pretty sure this Happy Valley CC opened at least with 9 holes as this article mentions (from the May 18, 1919 edition of the Charlotte Observer):
I stand corrected.
I should have noted that there was a course built in the late 1890's that was associated with the first iteration of the Kenilworth Inn. It would seem that when they rebuilt the hotel, they also brought in Park to upgrade the golf facilities.
The Inn did eventually open up around 1923, but was sold in 1930 and was turned into a psych hospital.
I have quite a few articles discussing golf in Asheville over the years, and none of them mention Happy Valley/Kenilworth. In addition, it wasn't mentioned at all in the Annual Guides and I have not seen any other references to it in other publications. Perhaps it stayed under the radar, or it could be that it was only open a short period of time. The timing of events makes you wonder who was operating the course from 1919 on.
Sven
Mark,
I will make a note of that with a ?. Thanks
I have also seen passing references to Park having worked at Canoe Brook, Cherry Valley and Goshen. Nothing concrete enough to look into further.
I just stumbled on this thread and forgive me for not reading all the posts. It's interesting and I'll get to it eventually.
As far as Tumble Brook in Bloomfield, Conn., which is listed as a 9-hole Park course, I think the first 18 was his design. In the Hartford Courant of Nov. 26, 1922, is a detailed story on the building of Tumble Brook including a photo of Park on site. The course is listed as 18 holes and gives yardages for each.The second nine is officially listed as an Orrin Smith-William Mitchell design. Smith, from Connecticut, worked for Park and was construction superintendent for the nearby Shuttle Meadow, a Park design, in about 1916. The newspaper accounts of Tumble Brook that I have seen do not, as far as I can recall, list Smith as being on site. However, when you play the original 18 in order the yardages match up to the Hartford Courant article. (There is a third nine designed by George Fazio.) I also think the hole styles and especially the greens of the second 9 match Park's work. Some alterations have taken place over the years that have messed up one hole, a par-4, and improved another that was originally and uphill, 90-degree dogleg par-4. If I can remember how to post articles, I'll do that here.
The course was 9-holes when the Am and U.S. Open were played on it. I think H.H. Barker came in and did work later on.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w243/ARAYNORFAN/Park%20Tumble%20Brook.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/ARAYNORFAN/media/Park%20Tumble%20Brook.jpg.html)
Ben
I recently came across an article from 1920 discussing 10 clubs in Canada that were associated with Willie Park Jr. According to the article, Park had recently renovated and brought the courses up to date or built entirely new layouts for these clubs:
1. Mount Bruno C.C. near Montreal
2. Beaconsfield C.C. of Montreal
3. Royal Montreal Golf Club
4. St. Ann's near Montreal
5. Whetlock C.C. of Halifax
6. Winnipeg C.C.
7. Ottawa C.C.
8. Toronto C.C.
9. Abitibi C.C.
10. Lake Minotaur C.C.
My knowledge of courses in Canada is very limited. I see several of the courses in this article are already on your list, but there are a few not included. I am not sure if these courses go by a different name today or if they no longer exist?
I also see your listing of Whitlock C.C. had some questions associated with it. Maybe this listing for Whetlock in Halifax will help?
Here is a link to the article (2nd column):
http://fultonhistory.com/highlighter/highlight-for-xml?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FNewspapers%25206%2FNew%2520York%2520NY%2520Evening%2520Telegram%2FNew%2520York%2520NY%2520Evening%2520Telegram%25201920%2520Mar-%2520Apr%2520Grayscale%2FNew%2520York%2520NY%2520Evening%2520Telegram%25201920%2520Marl-%2520Apr%2520Grayscale%2520-%25201145.pdf&xml=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FdtSearch%2Fdtisapi6.dll%3Fcmd%3Dgetpdfhits%26u%3D4705463%26DocId%3D11838043%26Index%3DZ%253a%255cIndex%2520I%252dE%252dV%26HitCount%3D9%26hits%3D76%2B20e%2B254%2B255%2B427%2B442%2B47d%2B502%2Bede%2B%26SearchForm%3D%252fFulton%255fNew%255fform%252ehtml%26.pdf&openFirstHlPage=false (http://fultonhistory.com/highlighter/highlight-for-xml?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FNewspapers%25206%2FNew%2520York%2520NY%2520Evening%2520Telegram%2FNew%2520York%2520NY%2520Evening%2520Telegram%25201920%2520Mar-%2520Apr%2520Grayscale%2FNew%2520York%2520NY%2520Evening%2520Telegram%25201920%2520Marl-%2520Apr%2520Grayscale%2520-%25201145.pdf&xml=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FdtSearch%2Fdtisapi6.dll%3Fcmd%3Dgetpdfhits%26u%3D4705463%26DocId%3D11838043%26Index%3DZ%253a%255cIndex%2520I%252dE%252dV%26HitCount%3D9%26hits%3D76%2B20e%2B254%2B255%2B427%2B442%2B47d%2B502%2Bede%2B%26SearchForm%3D%252fFulton%255fNew%255fform%252ehtml%26.pdf&openFirstHlPage=false)
Bret
Anthony,
Yes, it was definitely only 9 holes but I'm wondering if Park toughened up the course in some manner for the 1895 Championships.
On October 10th, 1895, the Chicago Tribune reported;
The Newport links has now been completed with an entire circuit of roughly two miles. The distances between the holes vary from 285 yards to 485 yards. The course is plentifully besprinkled with hazards, natural and artificial, and will take some far and sure driving.
Given that the Willie Davis nine-hole course was originally built in 1893, I'm wondering if this wasn't a longer, or perhaps modified derivative put in place for the championship?
You can put Park down for designing a course at Versailles and another two in Vienna, one of which was private. I also have a note of him designing a course in England at Matlock Baths. According to the Missing Links website the course ceased to exist c.1920 and probably was only a 9 holer.
All of the above courses were laid out 1900/1901.
Niall
Mike:
I haven't seen anything confirming Park at Glen Ridge. I'm guess if Joe had you would know about it. Perhaps Jim has come across something.
Just have a question about Rolland Road GC in MD. You say 'Rolling Road'. Is this correct, or is it 'Rolland'?
Mungo:
Pemberbrook is most likely a typo. I believe they were referring to Tumble Brook which is in Bloomfield, CT, near Hartford.
Philmont CC has a North and a South course. The North course at Philmont is attributed to Willie Park and the South course is attributed to John Reid with changes made by Hugh Wilson.
Do you have anymore information on Elm Terrace in West Haven, CT? I have never seen a reference to this course before and I am from CT. There was an Elm Terrace Inn in Woodmont, CT which is right next to West Haven, but I can not find any information on the golf course.
Bret
With regard to Elm Terrace, I have a feeling this came from Joe Bausch or Sven? but otherwise it might have been Tony Pioppi or Kyle Harris. It was before I was making a note of the attribution. I think it was indeed the Elm Terrace Inn, but I can't find the source at the moment. Can anyone help out?
218 77 St. Louis Amateur Athletic Association (St. Louis, MO) aka Tr?i?p?le? A CC ???
Ben,
Thanks, never knew this was once a Willie Park. Triple A was a 9 hole private facility built within our main urban park, Forest Park. It had two sets of tees so you could play it twice and somewhat have a different 18 hole experience. Unlike the other 27 holes where the park went around the course, at Triple A you had jogging and bike path crossings everywhere so you had to keep an eye out for pedestrians.
Its main claim to fame was it was the training ground for Judy Rankin, and Arthur Ashe for tennis.
It was re-designed by a Hale Irwin associate and now serves as our First Tee chapter. Short and quirky. It was nothing special before, though if it restored to Park's original design maybe it could have been better.
I took a quick look at your list
Antwerp is in Belgium
Parkstone is in England
Notts had serious revisions
Sunny Old had serious revisions
Western Gailes had some significant revisions
Formby
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,32146.0.html (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,32146.0.html)
Silloth on Solway
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,48672.msg1097997.html#msg1097997 (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,48672.msg1097997.html#msg1097997)
Temple
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,37725.msg777890.html#msg777890 (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,37725.msg777890.html#msg777890)
Worplesdon
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,47211.msg1052900.html#msg1052900 (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,47211.msg1052900.html#msg1052900)
Western Gailes
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,61367.msg1460254.html#msg1460254 (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,61367.msg1460254.html#msg1460254)
Montrose
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56097.0.html (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56097.0.html)
Portstewart
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,40300.msg847056.html#msg847056 (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,40300.msg847056.html#msg847056)
Stoneham
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,30823.msg597466.html#msg597466 (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,30823.msg597466.html#msg597466)
I assume you are not separating original designs from redesigns etc. Below are some courses you may want to investigate
Cooden Beach
Tynemouth
Gog Magog
Aldbeburgh
Berkhampsted
Broadstone
Ciao
...
Does anyone know if there is any original Willie Park Jr left at Rolling Road in Catonsville, MD?
Does anyone know if there is any original Willie Park Jr left at Rolling Road in Catonsville, MD?
Tons.
Does anyone know if there is any original Willie Park Jr left at Rolling Road in Catonsville, MD?
Tons.
Photos of Rolling Road from this past spring:
http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/RollingRoad/index.html
Does anyone know if there is any original Willie Park Jr left at Rolling Road in Catonsville, MD?
Tons.
Photos of Rolling Road from this past spring:
http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/RollingRoad/index.html (http://www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/RollingRoad/index.html)
Any aerials from back in the day? Or the original plans?
What would be the best preserved example of Willie Park Jr bunkers in America (both shaping and placement)? Most of what I have seen looks like it was significantly changed over the years- like OFCC north for example.
What would be the best preserved example of Willie Park Jr bunkers in America (both shaping and placement)? Most of what I have seen looks like it was significantly changed over the years- like OFCC north for example.
Bump. I've spent time researching this very question and have come to the conclusion that Shuttle Meadow CC is one of the better examples. Bruce Hepner deserves alot of praise. As you may know, extensive aerial photos from the 1930's exist in CN because then Gov. Wilbur L. Cross recommended an aerial survey of the entire state. See CN 1934 Aerial Survey conducted by Fairchild Aerial Surveys, Inc. This makes for easy comparison on Historic Aerials and other sites. I'm just starting to analyze New Haven CC. (Also, New Haven CC recently found WPJ master plan as reported by Anthony Pioppi)
Great stuff, Karl!
One thing that is confusing to me to be aware of in your research is that Park's father, Willie Park Sr. also designed golf courses and was alive until 1903 when he died at the age of 70.
A number of these articles don't differentiate between the two in a meaningful way, just stating "Willie Park". For instance, a quick glance at Cornish & Whitten's "Architects of Golf" names "Newbiggen-by-the-Sea" as designed by Willie Park, Senior, in 1895. I don't have time at present to do a deep dive but did want you to be aware of that possible issue. Thanks!
Karl,
The last list you posted is the most comprehensive listing I have seen of Park’s work. Do you have an exact date for this Park advertisement? Madison Country Club, Country Club of New Canaan and Country Club of New Bedford are three listings you don’t typically see in other Park advertisements. I am sure there are many others, but Madison and New Canaan are two courses we have zero information on Park’s involvement, other than both clubs claiming they are Park courses. This would likely answer where that information originally came from. Nice find!
Bret
I don’t see Castine ME on the list. Designed 1921?
I don’t see Castine ME on the list. Designed 1921?
Thank you. How about Atlantic City country club? Didn’t he work on that in the mid-1910s?
Mike,
Castine is on the list. It is under Tumble Brook Country Club towards the top on the right hand side of the page.
Karl
Karl,
Thank you for your reply. The closest estimate I can come up with is early 1922. Judging by the listing for Mt. Bruno they had selected the site for a Championship but likely hadn’t played it yet. A course that didn’t make the list is Shorehaven Country Club in Norwalk, CT, which Willie had visited as early as April 1922.
Here is an article about Willie Park at Shorehaven from April 03, 1922: This course was designed by Park, but constructed by Robert White when Park went back to Scotland. There are a few Shorehaven articles in this thread, but I’m not sure this one has been posted.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ag323/bretjlawrence/FullSizeRender(19).jpg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/bretjlawrence/a/a262d2bd-f3be-467b-a9cd-2816e5d7d000/p/b90b51ea-414e-4a92-847b-394500617ff1)
Bret
Karl,
Great stuff. Anything on Gullane? Thanks.
BTW, Do you know what the eighteen hole design of Park Jr.'s was in Syracuse, NY? It is mentioned in the below 1923 newspaper clipping.
Karl
Willie Park article, 12 Jul 1923 Washington, DC Times newspaper
(https://i.imgur.com/X6NRKc7.jpg)
Karl,
I have never seen a reference to Willie Park at Syracuse. Thanks for posting these articles. They are a great addition.
I have several articles from Canadian Golfer that I’ve been meaning to post on here. I will try to get them up here this week. The Canadian Golfer articles cover a great deal of Willie Park’s work throughout Canada.
Bret
Karl,
I can’t say for sure whether Willie Park Jr. designed the layout you posted in 1929. If you look in the American Annual Golf Guides for 1926, 1929 and 1930-31, the course is listed at 3 different lengths in three separate years.
In 1926 Abitibi was a 2,950 yard, 9-hole course established in 1921.
In 1929 Abitibi was a 2,604 yard, 9-hole course established in 1925
In 1930-1931 Abitibi was a 2,620 yard, Par 34, 9-hole course established in 1925.
To me it sounds like the course may have been reestablished in 1925 and they seemed to tinker with the layout regularly. The guides are sometimes unreliable, so it’s hard to say if Willie designed the course you posted in 1929. It would be helpful to find more information on this club to answer your question.
Bret
Karl,
I commend you, and Brett, for all your efforts. Can I ask you though, as well as listing where WP jnr has been, are you also compiling what he has done at each course and whether any of his work remains ? From a cursory run through of the courses listed in the OP it is clear that quite a few are not original WP designs and have had significant alterations after he was there. It would be good to record that.
From experience, I find it frustrating that over here in the UK and in particular in Scotland, any course that Braid consulted on gets tagged a Braid when his input might have been minimal. Anyway, apologies for whinging and well done on your work.
Niall
ps. Peter Lewis is of the opinion that the Fernie/Park footage is the earliest footage of professionals playing golf.
Karl,
I commend you, and Brett, for all your efforts. Can I ask you though, as well as listing where WP jnr has been, are you also compiling what he has done at each course and whether any of his work remains ? From a cursory run through of the courses listed in the OP it is clear that quite a few are not original WP designs and have had significant alterations after he was there. It would be good to record that.
From experience, I find it frustrating that over here in the UK and in particular in Scotland, any course that Braid consulted on gets tagged a Braid when his input might have been minimal. Anyway, apologies for whinging and well done on your work.
Niall
ps. Peter Lewis is of the opinion that the Fernie/Park footage is the earliest footage of professionals playing golf.