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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Mark Bourgeois on July 30, 2014, 02:26:53 PM
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Ever since Peter Pallotta endorsed the Meta Thread Movement by starting his own navel gazer, I've been wracking my brain for a thumbsucker, for my Napoleon to his Beef Wellington (Woody Allen joke).
I predict GCA.com will implode when the new version of TCG comes out. The devastation destination will be the same - a boatload of commentary on the numbers that completely ignores the writing (or pays it just enough lip service to wrap the commentary in ersatz 'thoughtfulness' - but posters will use three routes to immolation:
1) "All four guys gave [insert course] a 5. Are these people idiots?? I have played [insert course] way more than them. It's a 6, minimum."
2) "Nice to see W gave this course a 7, not sure what X, Y and Z were thinking to give it 6s. Pretty much confirms my belief this course is underrated." (Note: we already saw a variant of this when Doak posted ONE review.)
3) If Dismley Cinqueports scores less than 8 the GCA.com spaceship will cross the event horizon.
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There hasn't been a good rating/ranking thread in years. The haters won't have it.
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There hasn't been a good rating/ranking thread in years. The haters won't have it.
A meta-master meta-class on how to meta-wreck a meta-thread.
Meta-well meta-done Meta-John!
Meta-Rich
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So far I have the posts in this thread:
1 Kavanaugh
2 Goodale
------- gap --------
3 OP
I reserve the right to rerank as this thread fails the walk in the park test. OTOH it does make me want to drop everything and call my travel agent.
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Now this is joy - three highly clever posters outdoing each other with their unique brands of cleverness!
My but you're all rascals, I say, rascals!
Mark, what a perfect choice: the means of a gca meta-implosion (post confidential guide) are almost endless.
Peter
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I predict that the site will be down for a week after the book is shipped and that at least 3 regular posters will quit and 1 will self-immolate as a result of the ensuing free-for-all discussion when it does come back up...
So what's the over/under on number of direct/indirect threads about the CG in the ensuing month post publication? 20? I think we should get the insider's discount for all the free marketing we'll be doing for the book. 8)
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There won't be a "free for all" discussion, just a lot of people afflicted by 'numerosis'. Those afflicted argue / discuss / throw out single-digit numbers in lieu of thinking.
But to your point, it is kinda funny for the book to have 'confidential' in its title when there will be a kajillion threads about it on a public forum.
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Paging Sam Morrow.
Please write something unmistakably Texan; the previous contributions gave me the dry heaves.
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And if TD's rated a course after only walking it, there'll be blood around here. Blood - heck, it'll be a Cormac McCarthy novel, with blood bleeding red into bright red pools of blood as meta-posts about other bloody posts spills out bloodily across the bright red tatters of a bloody gca landscape.
Peter
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I have a photo credit in the new book, you guys fight it out. Probably going to be a Y2K event with global destruction but chicks dig photographers.
Ask Joe B.
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(http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/rednorman/DISMAL%20RIVER/orson_zpsb51ec903.jpg)
Someone mention Red?
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I'm wondering if there will be a refinement of the Doak scale. With the modern ease of travel, will the regional emphsis be removed to better explain a global ranking system? Sorry to get serious.
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I actually think more of the debate will center around an anal analysis of differences and bias amongst the 4 reviewers. In a sense this takes a little pressure off Tom directly and allows those who, say, have more of an affinity for Ran's predilections to follow his rec's etc.
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I actually think more of the debate will center around an anal analysis of differences and bias amongst the 4 reviewers, In a sense this takes a little pressure off Tom directly and allows those who, say, have more of an affinity for Ran's predilections to follow his rec's etc.
Oh, that's just like you Jud T! I really don't understand why posters like you seem to insist on derailing perfectly good threads with your usual b.s.! If you've got an ax to grind about so-called rating "bias" take it to another site. Maybe you'd be happier on "The View"!!
It's post like yours that mark how far gca.com has fallen since its glory days, and that drive great posters like, err, you know, that guy, what's his name, he was really good, off the site!
(Thread being started shortly repeating verbatim this same rant).
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And if TD's rated a course after only walking it, there'll be blood around here. Blood - heck, it'll be a Cormac McCarthy novel, with blood bleeding red into bright red pools of blood as meta-posts about other bloody posts spills out bloodily across the bright red tatters of a bloody gca landscape.
Peter
Blood Meridian Redux?
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Ha - yeah, Bill, the writer's cut, with 45 pages of previously unused material not good enough to get into print originally....
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Sam, hurry up. Time is running short. They're at the gate...can't hold out much longer.
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I'm not worried about this. From what I've read on the other thread, the price of the book will prevent most of the meta-critics on GCA from ever buying a copy.
I suppose they could still disagree with the book here, without actually having read it.
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I actually think more of the debate will center around an anal analysis of differences and bias amongst the 4 reviewers, In a sense this takes a little pressure off Tom directly and allows those who, say, have more of an affinity for Ran's predilections to follow his rec's etc.
Oh, that's just like you Jud T! I really don't understand why posters like you seem to insist on derailing perfectly good threads with your usual b.s.! If you've got an ax to grind about so-called rating "bias" take it to another site. Maybe you'd be happier on "The View"!!
It's post like yours that mark how far gca.com has fallen since its glory days, and that drive great posters like, err, you know, that guy, what's his name, he was really good, off the site!
(Thread being started shortly repeating verbatim this same rant).
;D ;D
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There will be a lot of upset people if Kingsley scores less than an 11.
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I'm not worried about this. From what I've read on the other thread, the price of the book will prevent most of the meta-critics on GCA from ever buying a copy.
I suppose they could still disagree with the book here, without actually having read it.
Don't worry, the Haters will make copies and pass them around at their outings just like they did with the first issue. What I will find most interesting is the leeway that will be allowed on word for word postings of reviews on this site.
We will never discuss quality of architecture as long as quality of character gets more clicks. Just look at Ronny Buffalo, he can't get a sniff on a thread until he makes it personal. That Mucci thread is epic.
For those reasons I don't see the NCG gaining much traction on thread count at all. There just isn't any motivation for discussion beyond character assassination and with Ran involved that goes out the window.
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In honor of the 30 year anniversary of the greatest rockumentary every made.
Nigel Doak: The ratings all go to eleven. Look, throughout the book, 11, 11, 11
Marty Morrissette: Oh, I see. And most ratings go to 10?
Nigel Doak: Exactly
Marty Morrissette: Does that mean it's better? Is it any better?
Nigel Doak: Well, it's one better isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know will rate a great course to 10. You're on 10, all the way up the scale. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty Morrissette: I don't know.
Nigel Doak: Nowhere. Exactly. What I do is, if the course needs that extra push over the cliff, you know what I do?
Marty Morrissette: Rate it up to 11.
Nigel Doak: 11. Exactly. One better.
Marty Morrissette: Why don't you just make 10 better and make 10 the top rating?
Nigel Doak: My rating goes to 11.
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But what would Pi9ne Valley rank if trees were removed ;D
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In honor of the 30 year anniversary of the greatest rockumentary every made.
Nigel Doak: The ratings all go to eleven. Look, throughout the book, 11, 11, 11
Marty Morrissette: Oh, I see. And most ratings go to 10?
Nigel Doak: Exactly
Marty Morrissette: Does that mean it's better? Is it any better?
Nigel Doak: Well, it's one better isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know will rate a great course to 10. You're on 10, all the way up the scale. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty Morrissette: I don't know.
Nigel Doak: Nowhere. Exactly. What I do is, if the course needs that extra push over the cliff, you know what I do?
Marty Morrissette: Rate it up to 11.
Nigel Doak: 11. Exactly. One better.
Marty Morrissette: Why don't you just make 10 better and make 10 the top rating?
Nigel Doak: My rating goes to 11.
I've already got this covered. See John Morrissett's review of Himalayan Golf Club, elsewhere on this site.
"The first 11 on the Doak Scale" [sadly, I couldn't get his image to post here]
High praise from Tom in the course’s guestbook after his 2012 visit.
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(http://www.golfclubatlas.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/HGC-Doak-Comment.jpg)
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Nigel Doak: Look... still hasn't any divots. It's never even been played.
Marty Morrissette: You've never played it...?
Nigel Doak: Don't play it!
Marty Morrissette: We'll I wasn't going to play it, I was just pointing at it.
Nigel Doak: Well... don't point! It can't be played.
Marty Morrissette: Don't point, okay. Can I look at it?
Nigel Doak: No. no. That's it, you've seen enough of that course.
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8) I guess this means i should probably read the first confidential guide.. nahh. will just pop over and play The Black Forest again, the home of unfinished business..
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I'm not worried about this. From what I've read on the other thread, the price of the book will prevent most of the meta-critics on GCA from ever buying a copy.
I suppose they could still disagree with the book here, without actually having read it.
Ha ha - that last line was really funny. The "I suppose..." is what makes it work -- as in fact you could've written "I'm certain..." and still be proven 100% correct.
Heck, I probably won't be able to stop myself from throwing out opinions -- on courses I've neither read about nor even played! (I may have to coin a term for that - maybe something like "sub-meta")
Peter
John C - very funny stuff, thanks.
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I'm not worried about this. From what I've read on the other thread, the price of the book will prevent most of the meta-critics on GCA from ever buying a copy.
I suppose they could still disagree with the book here, without actually having read it.
Ha ha - that last line was really funny. The "I suppose..." is what makes it work -- as in fact you could've written "I'm certain..." and still be proven 100% correct.
Heck, I probably won't be able to stop myself from throwing out opinions -- on courses I've neither read about nor even played! (I may have to coin a term for that - maybe something like "sub-meta")
Peter
John C - very funny stuff, thanks.
pseudo-meta works
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Heck, I probably won't be able to stop myself from throwing out opinions -- on courses I've neither read about nor even played! (I may have to coin a term for that - maybe something like "sub-meta")
I've always just called it Cowaning.
What will we call it if I have issues right now with how Tom has rated a course in the NCG, even though he has not seen it and will not be rating it and the book isn't published yet? Because I'm seriously pissed about his rating of Idle Hour.
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So a thread disparaging a tidal wave of topics anticipated to focus myopically on numbers while ignoring the commentary...launches the prophesy it sought to guillotine...with a big assist to the very author of the numbers! The head spins the mind boggles. :o
So if we are safe to ignore the words then all we need is the scale and the numbers, of which there will be relentless threads with numbers numbers numbers...then why bother with the book? ??? (Well, excluding we golf tragics who buy...everything. ;D )
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Meta creta, crudda. Tom D, I had a brief look at the draft, but failed to note the title of the book, what is it?
Ciao
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Meta creta, crudda. Tom D, I had a brief look at the draft, but failed to note the title of the book, what is it?
Ciao
The official title is "Arrivederci: The Arbledential Guide To Golf Courses."
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Mark:
I am just praying that Tom Doak does not rate Dismal River Nicklaus. I am not sure the site can survive that......or that I can survive being on the site with that discussion.
Looking forward to purchasing the book.
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Hi Michael, hope you're well. I've actually seen Doak's Dismal number discussed on another site: http://tinyurl.com/krfogx4
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Mark Boones-Farm - Truly a laugh out loud moment viewing that in line at the drive-thru. #TGIF
Mike - Surely you know how that one plays out as we've seen it a number of times and frankly it just doesn't matter. Be plenty of lines in the water though I imagine.
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Mark:
I am just praying that Tom Doak does not rate Dismal River Nicklaus. I am not sure the site can survive that......or that I can survive being on the site with that discussion.
Looking forward to purchasing the book.
Billy Bob already rated it. ;D
(If you are at work, turn the volume down a little)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipQisc68dQ
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I know now for certain that Mark B is the trusted and very able minion of some deep dark power that roams the blogosphere seeking to subvert and devour any semblance of reasonable discussion. As with the omnipresent voice of confusion in "1984", this ever-lurking lieutenant of evil twists around perfectly clear words like "meta" into dangerous and unrecognizable nonsense. Much like those who predict a coming apocalypse and then do everything in their power to bring it about, this proud minion of darkness who -- in this incarnation -- goes by the name Mark B can be an utterly charming fellow, and the seeming bringer of light. Be warned: he is in fact full of ruthless guile and shameless deceit! Stay away from him - stay far away. He has tricked me and emeshed me in his ugly nest of troubles; be on guard lest you too be ensnared!!
Peter
(writing to you from the Pits of Despair, just next to the Out of Bounds stake)