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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Jay Flemma on July 22, 2014, 11:00:23 AM
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It's funny, someone of the Tobacco Road greens thread asked a question I was also pondering - how much would be a reasonable price yearly to become a member of Tobacco Road?
It's funny how things work - I remember talking with one of the owners who said there were two members...he and his partner:) But also the amount of interest on GCA.com alone is actually quite remarkable. They could probably do quite well, seeing how solid the golf course is.
How much would be reasonable for a year pass?
What about other great USA publics? Where else would make a great public members club. When I lived in upstate NY, I "joined" Hiawatha Landing, and I've always rather fancied joining Leatherstocking...
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Jay, I'm surprised you didn't know the membership fees at Caledonia/True Blue!!
2014 Golf Membership Fees
Single $1,875
Couple $2,500
Young Adult (18-25 years old) $1,275
Super Senior (78 years+) $1,275
Add junior(s) 17 and under to any membership $150.00
Cart fee of $25 per round additional.
I would find these a little high if I lived in the area, but primarily due to the inconvenience of heavy daily fee play and crowded conditions (5+ hour average rounds). Certainly a bargain, though, if one considers only the quality of the courses.
Jamey
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Wine Valley
$1000 initiation
$280 per month
Membership Includes:
Unlimited Play
Unlimited use of driving range and practice areas
10% discount on Golf Shop merchandise
Charging privileges and monthly billing
No dining minimums
3% discount if full year paid in advance
Reserve Club green fee rate for member’s guests
Unlimited cart use for $50 per month
Add children under the age of 23 for $25 per month
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Can this thread be expanded to include national memberships?
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Lawsonia
$1600 Single
$2200 Family
$500 Junior
Wild Horse
$575 Family
$475 Single
$200 College
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Maybe if I talk my wife into a move to Denver, I can have the truck "break down" in Gothenburg on the way and convince her to settle there. What a ridiculously great deal.
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Yes, definitely include prices for Natal members
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Yes, definitely include prices for Natal members
Durban Country Club: full member with golf option (2 rounds/mo) R10,800/year, add unlimited golf option for R8,800
Umkomaas Golf Course: full member R2,580 / year (excludes joining fee)
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It's funny, someone of the Tobacco Road greens thread asked a question I was also pondering - how much would be a reasonable price yearly to become a member of Tobacco Road?
It's funny how things work - I remember talking with one of the owners who said there were two members...he and his partner:) But also the amount of interest on GCA.com alone is actually quite remarkable. They could probably do quite well, seeing how solid the golf course is.
How much would be reasonable for a year pass?
What about other great USA publics? Where else would make a great public members club. When I lived in upstate NY, I "joined" Hiawatha Landing, and I've always rather fancied joining Leatherstocking...
I asked that question because there is a small chance work could take me to the Sanford area. I haven't fully decided if I'd live in far SW Raleigh area, Pinehurst or Sanford itself, but if they did offer memberships/annual pass it seems like a place that would be great to join probably as a second, golf only venue, since the family will probably want a pool and social at our primary club, since we won't know anyone in the area initially.
There is something I have a psychological issue with about paying $100+ a round on a regular basis, even if it comes out to the same amount per round as a membership would.
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Jay, I'm surprised you didn't know the membership fees at Caledonia/True Blue!!
2014 Golf Membership Fees
Single $1,875
Couple $2,500
Young Adult (18-25 years old) $1,275
Super Senior (78 years+) $1,275
Add junior(s) 17 and under to any membership $150.00
Cart fee of $25 per round additional.
I would find these a little high if I lived in the area, but primarily due to the inconvenience of heavy daily fee play and crowded conditions (5+ hour average rounds). Certainly a bargain, though, if one considers only the quality of the courses.
Jamey
I am such a fan of Caledonia. Those $'s are more than reasonable if I lived nearby and felt I could get tee times or get out during twilight. Adding True Blue is an extra perk. That said, would prefer to walk when I wanted. Do they waive the cart fee if walking?
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Pine Needles/Mid Pines as of 2012 $2520 if local, $1470 if living in NC but over 50 miles, $945 national, $265 overseas (each category also has initiation fees
Pinehurst #1-#6 $4500 and add about a grand if you want #7-#9 (must own property in the village and pay initiation)
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Bowes Creek in Elgin IL is $4,400 annual. Can also get privledges at Highlands of Elgin for that price.
Highlands of Elgin alone is $2,300 for non residents, 500 less for residents. If I lived a half hour closer highlands would get my custom.
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Pine Needles/Mid Pines as of 2012 $2520 if local, $1470 if living in NC but over 50 miles, $945 national, $265 overseas (each category also has initiation fees
Pinehurst #1-#6 $4500 and add about a grand if you want #7-#9 (must own property in the village and pay initiation)
Best deal. There are guys that live in Durham and they commute every weekend to MP/PN
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Ravisloe CC
$2500 Single
$4000 Couple
Kankakee Elks
$945 Single
$1175 Family
$200 Junior
Spring Valley CC
Individual $670
Couple $1070
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Pine Needles/Mid Pines as of 2012 $2520 if local, $1470 if living in NC but over 50 miles, $945 national, $265 overseas (each category also has initiation fees
Pinehurst #1-#6 $4500 and add about a grand if you want #7-#9 (must own property in the village and pay initiation)
Best deal. There are guys that live in Durham and they commute every weekend to MP/PN
I played with an NC State professor in the first tee time at MidPines earlier this year on this arrangement. He said it was way better deal. He left his house at 6. Two practice swings and off the first tee at 7:00. We were done at 9:45 as a walking twosome. He was showered and in his office by 11:00 most days he said.
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I don't know the exact numbers, but Greywalls in MI's UP has always had an unbelievable deal.
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Pine Needles/Mid Pines as of 2012 $2520 if local, $1470 if living in NC but over 50 miles, $945 national, $265 overseas (each category also has initiation fees
Pinehurst #1-#6 $4500 and add about a grand if you want #7-#9 (must own property in the village and pay initiation)
Best deal. There are guys that live in Durham and they commute every weekend to MP/PN
I played with an NC State professor in the first tee time at MidPines earlier this year on this arrangement. He said it was way better deal. He left his house at 6. Two practice swings and off the first tee at 7:00. We were done at 9:45 as a walking twosome. He was showered and in his office by 11:00 most days he said.
Cliff,
That is the twosome/group I heard about from my buddy who is a PN/MP member . I love these guy's passion...
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Pine Needles/Mid Pines as of 2012 $2520 if local, $1470 if living in NC but over 50 miles, $945 national, $265 overseas (each category also has initiation fees
Pinehurst #1-#6 $4500 and add about a grand if you want #7-#9 (must own property in the village and pay initiation)
Best deal. There are guys that live in Durham and they commute every weekend to MP/PN
I played with an NC State professor in the first tee time at MidPines earlier this year on this arrangement. He said it was way better deal. He left his house at 6. Two practice swings and off the first tee at 7:00. We were done at 9:45 as a walking twosome. He was showered and in his office by 11:00 most days he said.
Cliff,
That is the twosome/group I heard about from my buddy who is a PN/MP member . I love these guy's passion...
I joined PN/MP in the initial offering in 2009 or 08 whenever it was. A great move on my part. I drive two hrs and play away! Even my wife loves it and she doesn't play golf.
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Pine Needles/Mid Pines as of 2012 $2520 if local, $1470 if living in NC but over 50 miles, $945 national, $265 overseas (each category also has initiation fees
Pinehurst #1-#6 $4500 and add about a grand if you want #7-#9 (must own property in the village and pay initiation)
Best deal. There are guys that live in Durham and they commute every weekend to MP/PN
True, but the mileage cost does eat in a little into the savings and your spouse better have something to stay occupied (pool boy?) since you'll be gone 7-8 hours / day for golf (vs. 4 hours when I play across the street from my house at Prestonwood).
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This thread got me thinking about Pinehurst members. How hard is it for a member to get a tee time on No. 2 with 7 day reservations? Seems like all the good tee times would be booked by resort guests well in advance of that. I think it would be frustrating to be a member and to battle the resort guests, but maybe its not that big of a deal in reality. Anyone have any insight?
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This thread got me thinking about Pinehurst members. How hard is it for a member to get a tee time on No. 2 with 7 day reservations? Seems like all the good tee times would be booked by resort guests well in advance of that. I think it would be frustrating to be a member and to battle the resort guests, but maybe its not that big of a deal in reality. Anyone have any insight?
Each day there are reserved blocks of tee times for members only (similar to the way many UK clubs operate). I can't seem to find the schedule that shows the allocations right now but there are blocks of tee times reserved for members on the courses that are open for play. These reserved tee times are not used for resort guests. From observation #2 does have fewer allocated tee times for members but there are often unused member tee times. Further if you have out of town guests, as a member, you are able to make advance tee time requests.
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Jay,
It is funny you asked this question/hypothetical because I asked a friend who lives in Durham,NC the same question 2 weeks ago. Since he commutes to varies courses and isn't sure he wants to join a CC due his job and not knowing how long he will live in the area. If I lived in Durham and TR blocked off the first couple hours I'd pay $2,000 for season/member pass. Half an hour drive.
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Jay,
It is funny you asked this question/hypothetical because I asked a friend who lives in Durham,NC the same question 2 weeks ago. Since he commutes to varies courses and isn't sure he wants to join a CC due his job and not knowing how long he will live in the area. If I lived in Durham and TR blocked off the first couple hours I'd pay $2,000 for season/member pass. Half an hour drive.
I hate to say it, but for $2K, there's a chance I'd ditch my membership and do that as well (guaranteed access to the first times of the day, esp. if they start early (6:30a or so).
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Chipper,
Wouldn't you get tired of playing in the dew and chasing the grounds crew every day?
There are worse condemnations in life, I'll admit.
Can TR be played in reverse?
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Pine Needles/Mid Pines as of 2012 $2520 if local, $1470 if living in NC but over 50 miles, $945 national, $265 overseas (each category also has initiation fees
Pinehurst #1-#6 $4500 and add about a grand if you want #7-#9 (must own property in the village and pay initiation)
I checked on PN/MP last year and the dues are about the same as above. The initiation fee was reasonable but property owners of property or second homes in Moore County are considered local and must pay the local initiation fee which is steep for part time use. It would be more sensible to pay the going greens fee and watch for specials.
The golf initiation fees for new property owners are considerable but if the previous property owner was a member and agrees to transfer the membership there is a savings. The membership structure has 3 basic levels - access to 1-6; 1-6 plus 8 plus free walking on 1-6, 8 and 2; and all previous plus access to 7 and 9. Access to 7 and 9 requires an additional initiation fee. At the top end, that is a lot of available golf - more than I could handle.
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Jay, I'm surprised you didn't know the membership fees at Caledonia/True Blue!!
2014 Golf Membership Fees
Single $1,875
Couple $2,500
Young Adult (18-25 years old) $1,275
Super Senior (78 years+) $1,275
Add junior(s) 17 and under to any membership $150.00
Cart fee of $25 per round additional.
I would find these a little high if I lived in the area, but primarily due to the inconvenience of heavy daily fee play and crowded conditions (5+ hour average rounds). Certainly a bargain, though, if one considers only the quality of the courses.
Jamey
Jamey, in the early 1990s, Pelican Hill in Newport Beach CA offered a season pass. The price was around $1200 to $1500 as I recall. That got you one year of use... of the driving range.
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Pine Needles/Mid Pines as of 2012 $2520 if local, $1470 if living in NC but over 50 miles, $945 national, $265 overseas (each category also has initiation fees
Pinehurst #1-#6 $4500 and add about a grand if you want #7-#9 (must own property in the village and pay initiation)
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The initiation fee for new property owners is less (but considerable) as long as the previous property owner was a member and agrees to transfer the membership. The dues structure has 3 levels - access to 1-6; 1-6 plus 8 plus free walking on 1-6, 8 and 2 sometimes; and all previous plus access to 7 and 9. Access to 7 and 9 requires an additional initiation fee. At the top end, that is a lot of available golf - more than I could handle.
Since the Pinehurst Country Club posts their membership fees online for all categories (something I'm a fan of ;) ) I should have initially posted the information directly from the source.
http://cdn1.pinehurst.com/content/uploads/2014/07/PCC-Legendary-Categories.pdf
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Chipper,
Wouldn't you get tired of playing in the dew and chasing the grounds crew every day?
There are worse condemnations in life, I'll admit.
Can TR be played in reverse?
Hmmmm.
No, I'd be pretty cool with that dealing with Dew and grounds crew.
I'm thinking just with my pocketbook, the difference between $2K and my annual spend is pretty steep.
There are certainly drawbacks:
- 40 min drive each way, no playing 9 in the evenings
- kids would lose access to the fantastic junior program and practice facilities across the street from my house (Prestonwood)
- 1 course vs. the 3 I can play now.
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Chipper,
Wouldn't you get tired of playing in the dew and chasing the grounds crew every day?
There are worse condemnations in life, I'll admit.
Can TR be played in reverse?
I play 90% of my golf this way. Both my country club, and the semi-private I belong to allow me and one other to tee off at dawn (5:00 to 5:30 for summer months) so we're out before greens are mowed often and talk regularly with the supers and grounds crews. Walk 18 holes and still in office by 8:00 AM. When I worked grounds as the son of a superintendent growing up we always had a few guys that did that as we'll. Thankfully there are also enough publics in the Chicago suburbs near my second office that also allow 5:30 tee-off in the summer when I work out of that office.
Would I prefer to play at 8:00 on freshly mown greens, sure, but between work and family, it's just not happening until kids are older (youngest is 2).
In fact, if we move to NC that is my biggest fear. We will join the club that is best for my family, but I highly doubt they'll allow me to tee off before 7:00, even if I could get the super to agree. I'll have to scour the publics to see if at least someone will allow it to get the occasional 9 in.
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Chipper,
Wouldn't you get tired of playing in the dew and chasing the grounds crew every day?
There are worse condemnations in life, I'll admit.
Can TR be played in reverse?
I play 90% of my golf this way. Both my country club, and the semi-private I belong to allow me and one other to tee off at dawn (5:00 to 5:30 for summer months) so we're out before greens are mowed often and talk regularly with the supers and grounds crews. Walk 18 holes and still in office by 8:00 AM. When I worked grounds as the son of a superintendent growing up we always had a few guys that did that as we'll. Thankfully there are also enough publics in the Chicago suburbs near my second office that also allow 5:30 tee-off in the summer when I work out of that office.
Would I prefer to play at 8:00 on freshly mown greens, sure, but between work and family, it's just not happening until kids are older (youngest is 2).
In fact, if we move to NC that is my biggest fear. We will join the club that is best for my family, but I highly doubt they'll allow me to tee off before 7:00, even if I could get the super to agree. I'll have to scour the publics to see if at least someone will allow it to get the occasional 9 in.
Yeah - Andrew, I don't know of any places that allow play that early. Part of the issue is that NC is a bit farther west in the time zone and at the Summer Solstice, the sun still isn't up until 6:15a or so. The grounds crews get a later start than other parts of the country, even if they start in the dark. Due to efficiency, our club holds off play until 7:30a and even then you'll catch the crew by the 8-9th hole.
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Yeah - Andrew, I don't know of any places that allow play that early. Part of the issue is that NC is a bit farther west in the time zone and at the Summer Solstice, the sun still isn't up until 6:15a or so. The grounds crews get a later start than other parts of the country, even if they start in the dark. Due to efficiency, our club holds off play until 7:30a and even then you'll catch the crew by the 8-9th hole.
Chip,
That's what I suspected, at least at clubs. I know the mentality is a little different up north where we have such a short season and earlier mornings. I fully understand the days of 18 would be long gone, and even nine isn't likely. I would still love to find a course somewhere that would be willing to let me out on occassion (maybe on the back prior to the grounds crew getting there).
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Chip,
That's what I suspected, at least at clubs. I know the mentality is a little different up north where we have such a short season and earlier mornings. I fully understand the days of 18 would be long gone, and even nine isn't likely. I would still love to find a course somewhere that would be willing to let me out on occassion (maybe on the back prior to the grounds crew getting there).
Wouldn't surprise me if there's one or two out there. Just seems to be a cultural difference. For example, at the few private clubs I was a member in NY and MA, few members hustled out for the early tee times on Sat & Sun and there seemed at a minimum an informal preference at those times for members with young families so they could play quickly and then get right home to their kids. Down south (TX and NC); seems that the early tee times are desired by all, in part to get out before the heat.