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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Ronald Montesano on July 19, 2014, 09:41:14 AM
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I'm fairly confident that this thread will have a short shelf life, but so be it. This latest thread title of "Is" is, for me, the final straw.
It's insulting to all of us and makes us look like asses to visitors.
Write a cogent, pithy thread title and give us an idea of what you propose to discuss.
We were made to use our full names to identify ourselves. Good move.
Time for the next good move.
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Sadly funny. I was going to start another thread and title it "A", followed by "re you sick of these ridiculous thread titles"...
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Depends on what your definition of is is.
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Ronald,
More than most of your recent posts are complaining about thread content. The "why is this a thread series". Mucci does discuss architecture, no matter how poorly.
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Ronald,
More than most of your recent posts are complaining about thread content. The "why is this a thread series". Mucci does discuss architecture, no matter how poorly.
Spot on.
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Ron,
Didn't you recently title a thread "Adirondack six 2014". ?
Unlike your threads, mine are of substance without having to cater to form.
If you don't like the titles, don't read the threads.
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Ronald,
More than most of your recent posts are complaining about thread content. The "why is this a thread series". Mucci does discuss architecture, no matter how poorly.
Spot on.
I personally find it helpful as I avoid hard core architecture threads.
I get it collection bunkers are a cool feature!
I enjoy Patricks contributions on other peoples thread and with the new playoff system in place for college football I am looking forward to be educated in the 1000 ways that Notre dame got screwed in the new system !
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Ron,
Didn't you recently title a thread "Adirondack six 2014". ?
Unlike your threads, mine are of substance without having to cater to form.
If you don't like the titles, don't read the threads.
I'm sure you could have come up with a better riposte to Ron's attempt at constructive criticism. His report on playing six interesting and historic courses in the Adirondacks was quite interesting.
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Ron,
Didn't you recently title a thread "Adirondack six 2014". ?
Unlike your threads, mine are of substance without having to cater to form.
If you don't like the titles, don't read the threads.
I'm sure you could have come up with a better riposte to Ron's attempt at constructive criticism. His report on playing six interesting and historic courses in the Adirondacks was quite interesting.
Bill,
You're a moron, Ron's objection was to non-descriptive titles that didn't inform him of the entire content of the thread, not the thread itself.
Try reading with some degree of comprehension.
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Ron,
Didn't you recently title a thread "Adirondack six 2014". ?
Unlike your threads, mine are of substance without having to cater to form.
If you don't like the titles, don't read the threads.
I'm sure you could have come up with a better riposte to Ron's attempt at constructive criticism. His report on playing six interesting and historic courses in the Adirondacks was quite interesting.
Bill,
You're a moron, Ron's objection was to non-descriptive titles that didn't inform him of the entire content of the thread, not the thread itself.
Try reading with some degree of comprehension.
Sorry, but it's difficult to comprehend a post like yours there that didn't make sense.
Back to our regular programming. How about that finish by Rory?!
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Bill,
And what did I tell everyone, prior to the Masters, about Rory's ability to win when he was with his high profile, high maintenance girlfriend ?
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Bill,
And what did I tell everyone, prior to the Masters, about Rory's ability to win when he was with his high profile, high maintenance girlfriend ?
Somehow I missed one of your threads. ;D
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If folks keep buying it, they'll keep selling it.
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Kindly don't use this thread to throw insults.
It diverts your attention from the thread which just keeps on giving: the one about trolleys on American courses. ;D
Next up, how much does it really cost to rent a dog at Sunningdale and do they really let you inhale the air there for free. ;D
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Bill,
You're a moron.
If Bill, who is one of the best guys around, is a moron, then we should all aspire to be "morons. "
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Bill,
You're a moron.
If Bill, who is one of the best guys around, is a moron, then we should all aspire to be "morons. "
I think "moron" is actually a term of endearment in Mucci-ese. ;D
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Bill,
You're a moron.
If Bill, who is one of the best guys around, is a moron, then we should all aspire to be "morons. "
Bruce,
You're well beyond the aspiration phase !
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It's insulting to all of us and makes us look like asses to visitors.
Not a comment on the thread topic but Ron I always find comments like this, which I place in the "Has This Board Made a Difference?" Category, funny.
It's a chat board. Almost by definition we're asses.
Hey, should I not have capitalized "Category" there?
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It's
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For every Mucci thread you don't post on, your life is extended by 15 minutes. For every personally attacking Mucci posting you don't reply to, you get about 30 extra minutes. So don't complain, it adds up to a good deal :)
Ulrich
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I hope on the next letter from Ran he outlines proper title etiquette. It worked so well with the real name requirements. #papertiger
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I've just realized that if I get to play Painswick and have Pat call me a "moron" I'll be able to do one of those Sally Fields
acceptance speeches. I probably should have made this a separate thread with an enigmatic title.
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For every Mucci thread you don't post on, your life is extended by 15 minutes. For every personally attacking Mucci posting you don't reply to, you get about 30 extra minutes. So don't complain, it adds up to a good deal :)
Ulrich,
Are you still using that putter that stands up by itself ?
The one you stand behind and line up ?
Ulrich
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Just doing my bit to extend this piffle to two pages. A mitzvah, if you will. Or an act of non-corporal mercy.
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Ron,
Just mouse over the title (or the couple of letters that pass for the title) and the first line and a half of the thread will pop up (at least it does on a Windows 7 system).
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Ron,
Just mouse over the title (or the couple of letters that pass for the title) and the first line and a half of the thread will pop up (at least it does on a Windows 7 system).
It works on laptops, but not on other devices.
Regardless, the responsibility should be on the thread starter to make a coherent title that identifies the topic. Why should the reader need to mouse over the title to find out what the thread is about? Which is the main reason I never open any thread with a vague title, regardless of who started it. It's childish.
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8) You know someone may call you or can you a moron or something worse... its a digital world thing, like bits and pieces of bad spelling.. on purpose.
Digital burlesque those teasing titles or is it Freudian titties
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Just doing my bit to extend this piffle to two pages. A mitzvah, if you will. Or an act of non-corporal mercy.
Terry,
The whining is music to my ears.
As I mentioned, Ran must have dropped the IQ test when granting access to the site.
Now, the morons want me to spell out the entire jist of the thread for them in the title.
Is it out of laziness or their need to be cajoled into reading what follows ?
Is this the act of spoiled, abeit moronic brats ?
If truncated titles offend you, don't read the thread.
I'm off to conjure up more truncated threads, which I guess are better than truncated threads, absent any meaningful content. ;D
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As long as you remain committed to the brief thread titles, may I suggest a series of threads launched consecutively with the following titles:
Who
What
Where
Why
When
How
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I'd like to see a thread titled OT&A that discusses the challenges faced by the golf channel after the departure of Holly Sonders.
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As long as you remain committed to the brief thread titles, may I suggest a series of threads launched consecutively with the following titles:
Who
What
Where
Why
When
How
He's already tried Is and It. Why not? could be next. Why not indeed?
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Post of the year by Mr. kavanaugh.........who would watch playing lessons with the pros without Holly in a tennis outfit! Martha Burke must be screaming at the flat screen!
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Just doing my bit to extend this piffle to two pages. A mitzvah, if you will. Or an act of non-corporal mercy.
Terry,
The whining is music to my ears.
As I mentioned, Ran must have dropped the IQ test when granting access to the site.
Now, the morons want me to spell out the entire jist of the thread for them in the title.
Is it out of laziness or their need to be cajoled into reading what follows ?
Is this the act of spoiled, abeit moronic brats ?
If truncated titles offend you, don't read the thread.
I'm off to conjure up more truncated threads, which I guess are better than truncated threads, absent any meaningful content. ;D
Patrick,
Jist is actually spelled "GIST". ;D
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As long as you remain committed to the brief thread titles, may I suggest a series of threads launched consecutively with the following titles:
Who
What
Where
Why
When
How
Brian,
I've already used some of those words.
I'm working on threads beginning with:
Can
Have
Will
I'll keep you posted.
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
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We should consider ourselves lucky. When Pat starts a thread with a truncated title, we at least know that it'll be a question some of us can answer. It's when he actually spells out a full title that we're all in big trouble, since the question will invariably be one that only he can answer*, e.g. "Are Pine Valley, Seminole or Augusta National tougher tests in the prevailing wind"? "Are NGLA, Shinnicock and Sebonac sportier challenges after it rains"? Keep those 3 word titles coming, Pat - better for us and more fun for you!!
Peter
* Tom D and Tom Paul might also be able to answer, but Tom P isn't here anymore and Tom D is sly enough not to give Pat the satisfaction! :)
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Count me as one who enjoys the banter whilst trying not to hate Mucci, knowing deep down his intent is well placed and the occasional mean spirited green reply is more bait than bite.
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Post of the year by Mr. kavanaugh.........who would watch playing lessons with the pros without Holly in a tennis outfit! Martha Burke must be screaming at the flat screen!
She's gone. Really, really gone. The good news is that Rymer may go back to competitive golf. His vision is returning and that nasty duck hook from a right forearm being three times the size of normal is starting to atrophy. He will be hitting a high fade in days.
An interesting article about her impossible replacement:
http://www.bunkersparadise.com/who-is-going-to-replace-holly-sonders-on-the-golf-channel/
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What a week. Hoover is laying off Dicks while the rest of us are turning off the Golf Channel. You have to pick your own fights.
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Lauren Thompson and/or Paige Mackenzie work just as well imho.
Sorry but Lauren Thompson is out because she only came to golf to advance her career in broadcasting. If you could never play you should write about golf, you got to have game to show your face.
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Mackenzie seems like a nice girl but I'd rather lay the wood to Chamblee while wearing a red shirt on a lazy Sunday afternoon. Whatever it is she don't got it.
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This thread went from truncated titles to Holly Sonders....All I can add is regardless of the title I read whatever Mr Mucci cares to add to the board, and Holly's investment appears to have more than paid off....
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What a week. Hoover is laying off Dicks while the rest of us are turning off the Golf Channel. You have to pick your own fights.
Speaking of Holly leaving :'(, does anyone know what happened to Win McMurry? She was my favorite but she has completely disappeared from GC. At least we know the reason for Holly's departure.
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
Jeff,
First, you can't please everybody and in the ultimate, I'm interested in pleasing myself, first and foremost.
I'm not a big believer in consensus management or creativity.
Second, for those who are whining about the truncated titles, let them start their own interesting threads.
Let them initiate new threads with detailed titles that explain everything you need to know about the thread.
Not surprisingly, I've noticed a paucity of new and interesting threads that have been created by the whiners.
Third, if this is what some GCA.comer's complain about, they need to get a life.
As you know, "you can't judge a book by it's cover." ;D
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
Jeff,
First, you can't please everybody and in the ultimate, I'm interested in pleasing myself, first and foremost. (selfish to the core) :(
I'm not a big believer in consensus management or creativity. (very sad for you and everyone else) :'(
what a bummer post
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
Jeff,
First, you can't please everybody and in the ultimate, I'm interested in pleasing myself, first and foremost. (selfish to the core) :(
I'm not a big believer in consensus management or creativity. (very sad for you and everyone else) :'(
what a bummer post
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Mucci has further cemented his place as this website's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
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When I was in middle school I remember getting pissed because E. E. Cummings got famous for not using capital letters. After recently reviewing his work I am relieved to realize that I never actually studied the content. If I had it may have scarred me.
Mucci has a signature style that has little to do with the value of its content. After all these years it is rare for any of us to write something surprising.
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As you know, "you can't judge a book by it's cover." ;D
http://tinyurl.com/weird-crimes (http://tinyurl.com/weird-crimes)
:-*
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
Jeff,
First, you can't please everybody and in the ultimate, I'm interested in pleasing myself, first and foremost. (selfish to the core) :(
William,
It's not selfish in the least.
Do you please others before and at the expense of pleasing yourself ?
I've been more than generous with my contributions on and off this site.
Have you ?
In the last nine pages I've contributed 14 new threads, you've contributed 2.
In contributing to this site, I've got 30 contributions, you have 4.
I've hosted dozens of GCA'ers for golf.
So, tell us again, who's selfish, you or me.
"Jealousy" is a terrible thing.
I'm not a big believer in consensus management or creativity. (very sad for you and everyone else) :'(
How is it sad ?
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
Jeff,
First, you can't please everybody and in the ultimate, I'm interested in pleasing myself, first and foremost. (selfish to the core) :(
I'm not a big believer in consensus management or creativity. (very sad for you and everyone else) :'(
what a bummer post
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Mucci has further cemented his place as this website's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
How would you know ?
How much time have you spent with me, on and off the golf course.
Only morons make judgements absent relevant data.
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By the way, Ron Montesano didn't seem to mind my truncated titles when he invited himself to be my guest so that he could visit courses where I'm a member, did he ?
You morons have so much to learn and I only have so much time to devote to your education.
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Pat has earned the right to post as he sees fit. His threads are almost always on topic, if perhaps a bit simplistic. His financial contributions to the site are something we should all aspire to over the next few decades. That doesn't mean you can't judge him for his fonts, his inability to construct a complete paragraph, or his general disposition. However, anyone who loves GCA should be happy to click past Pat's posts and roll their eyes at his conduct while benefiting from the generosity he has shown to this site.
As for his thread titles, a lot of them are good teasers. Others are really stupid. I choose which ones to click on based on whether or not the title piques my interest or not, as we all should. If you simply ignore the threads you find distastefully titled or unworthy of discussion, and enough people agree with you, those threads will disappear from the front page. If you give them more attention, they'll keep coming. This thread=more attention. In my head, I picture Pat printing and framing threads like this and hanging them on the walls around the chair where he spends 14 hours a day typing posts on this discussion group.
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Jason,
Thanks.
Usually a thread pops into my head based upon a recent observation or experience or spontaneously.
It's the content or idea behind the thread that interests me the most, with the titles being secondary at best.
Actually, I don't spend 14 hours a day typing posts, but all 24. I barely get a chance to eat and have lost ten pounds
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I have never met Pat and never had teh pleasure of golfing with him either, but will say he is by no means selfish. He has always contributed to the Miles for Myositis charity threads that I post. Granted it is in conjunction with the ND/USC game, but Pat has never met me and has always contributed. Quite frankly, he can title his threads however he chooses. They are architecturally related and interesting to boot.
And Pat, when Baltimore Country Club reopens again next year, please visit as my guest.
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Jason,
Thanks.
Usually a thread pops into my head based upon a recent observation or experience or spontaneously.
It's the content or idea behind the thread that interests me the most, with the titles being secondary at best.
Actually, I don't spend 14 hours a day typing posts, but all 24. I barely get a chance to eat and have lost ten pounds
Pat, are you going to let Jason get away with referring to your posts as "...perhaps a bit simplistic..."? If so, I am shocked, I say, shocked! ;D
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Again I urge you folks to consider those who are color challenged. . Can't you write in different fonts? ???
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By the way, Ron Montesano didn't seem to mind my truncated titles when he invited himself to be my guest so that he could visit courses where I'm a member, did he ?
You morons have so much to learn and I only have so much time to devote to your education.
!!!
You don't tug on Superman's cape:):)
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All of Mucci's obvious flaws, and this is the big criticism? You are hardly trying.
As for the thread titles, here's a tip: Hover your cursor over the title before clicking and you can read the first few lines of his post.
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Pat has earned the right to post as he sees fit. His threads are almost always on topic, if perhaps a bit simplistic. His financial contributions to the site are something we should all aspire to over the next few decades. That doesn't mean you can't judge him for his fonts, his inability to construct a complete paragraph, or his general disposition. However, anyone who loves GCA should be happy to click past Pat's posts and roll their eyes at his conduct while benefiting from the generosity he has shown to this site.
As for his thread titles, a lot of them are good teasers. Others are really stupid. I choose which ones to click on based on whether or not the title piques my interest or not, as we all should. If you simply ignore the threads you find distastefully titled or unworthy of discussion, and enough people agree with you, those threads will disappear from the front page. If you give them more attention, they'll keep coming. This thread=more attention. In my head, I picture Pat printing and framing threads like this and hanging them on the walls around the chair where he spends 14 hours a day typing posts on this discussion group.
It's got to be gratifying to Pat that you have sanctioned his right to post "as he sees fit". ::) Additionally the little tutorial you have provided will aide many posters in navigating the site in a more expeditious and useful manner. Thanks a million.
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
Jeff,
First, you can't please everybody and in the ultimate, I'm interested in pleasing myself, first and foremost. (selfish to the core) :(
I'm not a big believer in consensus management or creativity. (very sad for you and everyone else) :'(
what a bummer post
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Mucci has further cemented his place as this website's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
How would you know ?
How much time have you spent with me, on and off the golf course.
Only morons make judgements absent relevant data.
This is exactly my point, Pat. In Reply #51, you outline your generosity to this website and to your guests, and I do not doubt this. Moreover, virtually every post I have ever read on this site from people who have met you and/or played golf with you is positive. My comment about Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde hints at the appearance that you are one person in "real life" (courteous and generous), yet you have quite a different on-line persona (confrontational and dismissive). Why the disconnect? Which one is "real" Pat Mucci, and which is the facade?
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You needed to be around when Mucci was fighting cancer. He is an animal. I rest assured that morons rarely infiltrate his real life.
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
Jeff,
First, you can't please everybody and in the ultimate, I'm interested in pleasing myself, first and foremost. (selfish to the core) :(
I'm not a big believer in consensus management or creativity. (very sad for you and everyone else) :'(
what a bummer post
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Mucci has further cemented his place as this website's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
How would you know ?
How much time have you spent with me, on and off the golf course.
Only morons make judgements absent relevant data.
This is exactly my point, Pat. In Reply #51, you outline your generosity to this website and to your guests, and I do not doubt this. Moreover, virtually every post I have ever read on this site from people who have met you and/or played golf with you is positive. My comment about Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde hints at the appearance that you are one person in "real life" (courteous and generous), yet you have quite a different on-line persona (confrontational and dismissive). Why the disconnect? Which one is "real" Pat Mucci, and which is the facade?
My one round with Pat was a blast- he is a great storyteller and a terrific host. Sadly , it won't be long before his son Ryan is giving him 2 a side . And that's no knock on Pat's game.
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Count me as one who would like to see people attempt to put something of a description of the thread in the title.
I don't think it is an unreasonable request.
Jeff,
First, you can't please everybody and in the ultimate, I'm interested in pleasing myself, first and foremost. (selfish to the core) :(
I'm not a big believer in consensus management or creativity. (very sad for you and everyone else) :'(
what a bummer post
+ 1
Mucci has further cemented his place as this website's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
How would you know ?
How much time have you spent with me, on and off the golf course.
Only morons make judgements absent relevant data.
This is exactly my point, Pat. In Reply #51, you outline your generosity to this website and to your guests, and I do not doubt this. Moreover, virtually every post I have ever read on this site from people who have met you and/or played golf with you is positive. My comment about Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde hints at the appearance that you are one person in "real life" (courteous and generous), yet you have quite a different on-line persona (confrontational and dismissive). Why the disconnect?
Which one is "real" Pat Mucci, and which is the facade?
Steve,
Why only two choices ?
What makes you so sure that both aren't facades ? ;D
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Ok, so if I make my donations to charity public, praise my hosting of others at my home club and present some folks, who think I am tolerable in real life, then I am entitled to act like an ass here? :)
Ulrich
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I predict that if this thread goes on much longer, Pat's thread titles will go from one word to one letter rather quickly ;D
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8) Ulrich,
When you approach 35 k posts, you're going to act very naturally, unencumbered, and probably be the same!
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Ok, so if I make my donations to charity public, praise my hosting of others at my home club and present some folks, who think I am tolerable in real life, then I am entitled to act like an ass here? :)
Ulrich,
Didn't I see a recent picture of you on a golf course with your shirt untucked ?
Didn't I see a picture of you standing behind a putter that stands up by itself, and lining it up.
Do you find acting as an ass on the golf course preferable ?
Since when is starting a thread with a single word in the title section, "acting like an ass"
I'll put my conduct, on and off the golf course, against yours, any day of the week.
You can start by tucking your shirt in.
Ulrich
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I predict that if this thread goes on much longer, Pat's thread titles will go from one word to one letter rather quickly ;D
Andy,
Your post is........................ inspirational ;D
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8) Ulrich,
When you approach 35 k posts, you're going to act very naturally, unencumbered, and probably be the same!
I suspect you have the order backwards there.
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this is great training for Pat's son, in that you need to own what you post online no matter how bad it is
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Anyone remember this from the "State of the Union" address 2013/2014?
Remember: people with several thousand plus posts to their name are held to the highest standard possible because their volume of posts makes a difference in how this Discussion Group is perceived. Just because you have time to post doesn’t necessarily mean that you should post.
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this is great training for Pat's son, in that you need to own what you post online no matter how bad it is
EVERYONE who has ever played with my son has commented on what a fine young man he is.
A gentleman to play with, that he conducts himself far beyond his years and that my wife and I should be very proud of him, which we are.
William G, I'd worry more about your "women scorned" persona
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Anyone remember this from the "State of the Union" address 2013/2014?
Remember: people with several thousand plus posts to their name are held to the highest standard possible because their volume of posts makes a difference in how this Discussion Group is perceived. Just because you have time to post doesn’t necessarily mean that you should post.
Ulrich,
Try not to look like a slob on the golf course.
As to "posts", the content, quality and quantity of the threads I introduce far surpasses the feeble efforts on your part.
But, I can understand why one licking their many wounds, or like a woman scorned, seeks to take some measure of revenge in the way of personal remarks. I would expect nothing less from you.
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this is great training for Pat's son, in that you need to own what you post online no matter how bad it is
EVERYONE who has ever played with my son has commented on what a fine young man he is. despite his father?
I'm sure he is great, no doubt!! good job!, but there is more at stake than that ...why be so selfish as you have documented here on GCA.com despite your own documented generosity?...it must be fantastic to have it both ways! LOL
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William Grieve,
I haven't been selfish, i've been very generous, in many aspects, on and off this site.
But, I'm not going to retitle the threads I craft just to satisfy a few whiners.
The titles are mostly after thoughts that follow the concept.
"THE" most important element is the content of the thread.
If participants are upset by the title of a thread, they need to get a life and focus on the things in life that are far more important.
Hope that helps.
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William Grieve,
I haven't been selfish, i've been very generous, in many aspects, on and off this site.
But, I'm not going to retitle the threads I craft just to satisfy a few whiners.
The titles are mostly after thoughts that follow the concept.
"THE" most important element is the content of the thread.
If participants are upset by the title of a thread, they need to get a life and focus on the things in life that are far more important.
Hope that helps.
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moving on is a good thing yet you yourself declared how you act on here....while content is king, courtesy to the reader also is beneficial to the site....hope we meet some day so we can dook it out in person, LOL
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I declared that I don't act to please others at the expense of pleasing myself.
And I asked if others act differently.
I haven't seen you declare that you act to please others at the expense of pleasing yourself.
Why would you expect anyone to please others at the expense of pleasing themselves ?
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Because that is the very definition of generosity, which you keep on claiming to be.
Ulrich
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Ulrich,
I'd reconsider your personal definition of generosity if you want people to believe you're actually generous.
That this thread has gone to 81 posts is incredible...mind-numbing really!
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Not my definition. I believe the first guy, who came up with this concept, was called Jesus.
I don't expect anyone to be generous. But if you pump yourself up about what a generous person you are, then expect to be held to your claim :)
Ulrich
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I don't think Jesus felt it was at his expense to be generous to others...
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I don't think Jesus felt it was at his expense to be generous to others...
In the Gospel of John when Jesus' mother encouraged him to turn the water into wine he responded "my hour has not yet come." Arguably he took a hit for the team to serve the guests.
Your comment might be correct but it grossly under-emphasizes his humanity.
Just for the sake of discussion since this threads needs a serious derailment.
Respectfully,
Bogey
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Jesus sacrificed his life so that the rest of us may be saved.
Whether you're a religious person or not, this surely must count as being at his expense to the benefit of others.
And I don't think the concept of generosity is of any value, if you define it as "being kind to others as long as it isn't any effort for me".
Ulrich
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Just for the sake of discussion since this threads needs a serious derailment.
Respectfully,
Bogey
So, how 'bout that Phish show last night:):)
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Jesus sacrificed his life so that the rest of us may be saved.
Whether you're a religious person or not, this surely must count as being at his expense to the benefit of others.
And I don't think the concept of generosity is of any value, if you define it as "being kind to others as long as it isn't any effort for me".
Ulrich
Suicide by cop is generally seen as a selfish act. Jesus got the best end of the deal, getting to sit at the right hand of God and all.
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Ulrich and Bogey,
Are you suggesting Pat be sacrificed in order to benefit/save of the rest of us?
I'll leave the thread with this, I think Jesus was quite pleased with his actions as opposed to feeling they were at his expense. I think it's a central teaching to encourage charity and generosity from us all.
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Not my definition. I believe the first guy, who came up with this concept, was called Jesus.
I don't expect anyone to be generous. But if you pump yourself up about what a generous person you are, then expect to be held to your claim :)
I never "pumped" myself up, I merely stated some facts, facts that are in evidence on this site and elsewhere.
And, I have no interest in saving you, that's your responsibiilty.
And, you can start by tucking your shirt in.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee169/wcb323/Royal%20Hague/Mark-Ulrich-WardatRH.jpg) (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/wcb323/media/Royal%20Hague/Mark-Ulrich-WardatRH.jpg.html)
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It drives me crazy when Pat has a one word thread title but I always open them because he seldom disappoints with his topics. They are invariably thought provoking and golf architecturally focused.
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I like the way the tee box makes use of the natural terrain. I also like the way the pines camoflauge the housing and do not overcrowd the teeing ground. The cart path is an unfortunate detractor. I'm sorry ... did those comments interrupt something?
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I'll chime in...I carefully use the OT, and define my threads so if people don't want to read them, I'm trying to help. It's a common courtesy. I'm not going to click on the one word tease anymore.
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My schedule this month is very hectic, thus, time is becoming more precious.
I thnk I'm going to have to shorten my titles in the interest of efficiency.
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8) pm, only one more step, careful...
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8) pm, only one more step, careful...
Ahhhh, the key to more brevity............. symbols.
Why didn't I think of that ?
I must be a moron !
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John,
that's not housing behind the trees, but the clubhouse. There are no eye-sores at Royal Hague, paths are very limited and mostly concealed. The reason why we were all smiling is that we didn't have the view the photographer had to endure, untucked shirt and all, but we were looking at this:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9_CmUdAZ-kQ/Ue1zoymDJBI/AAAAAAAAEv4/3hMbAnv-KKk/s720/1.jpg)
That was one noteworthy day on the links. If you get a chance to play there, don't hesitate. You'll never see another course quite like it.
Ulrich
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It drives me crazy when Pat has a one word thread title but I always open them because he seldom disappoints with his topics. They are invariably thought provoking and golf architecturally focused.
He is The Most Interesting Man in Golf.
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It drives me crazy when Pat has a one word thread title but I always open them because he seldom disappoints with his topics. They are invariably thought provoking and golf architecturally focused.
He is The Most Interesting Man in Golf.
God help you if Pat mentioning pleasuring himself first is your idea of 'most interesting.' ;D
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It drives me crazy when Pat has a one word thread title but I always open them because he seldom disappoints with his topics. They are invariably thought provoking and golf architecturally focused.
He is The Most Interesting Man in Golf.
God help you if Pat mentioning pleasuring himself first is your idea of 'most interesting.' ;D
You are, I'm sure, familiar with "irony."
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It drives me crazy when Pat has a one word thread title but I always open them because he seldom disappoints with his topics. They are invariably thought provoking and golf architecturally focused.
He is The Most Interesting Man in Golf.
God help you if Pat mentioning pleasuring himself first is your idea of 'most interesting.' ;D
You are, I'm sure, familiar with "irony."
Of course. Didn't doubt you for a minute. ;D
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It drives me crazy when Pat has a one word thread title but I always open them because he seldom disappoints with his topics. They are invariably thought provoking and golf architecturally focused.
He is The Most Interesting Man in Golf.
God help you if Pat mentioning pleasuring himself first is your idea of 'most interesting.' ;D
You are, I'm sure, familiar with "irony."
Of course. Didn't doubt you for a minute. ;D
Are you coming to the Buda? Would love to have a pint. Of Dos XX of course. ;D
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Not my definition. I believe the first guy, who came up with this concept, was called Jesus.
I don't expect anyone to be generous. But if you pump yourself up about what a generous person you are, then expect to be held to your claim :)
I never "pumped" myself up, I merely stated some facts, facts that are in evidence on this site and elsewhere.
And, I have no interest in saving you, that's your responsibiilty.
And, you can start by tucking your shirt in.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee169/wcb323/Royal%20Hague/Mark-Ulrich-WardatRH.jpg) (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/wcb323/media/Royal%20Hague/Mark-Ulrich-WardatRH.jpg.html)
This post has saddened me more than any in quite some time. Pat doesn't know Ulrich. He judges him because his shirt isn't tucked into his pants. Well, that might not fly at Garden City, but Ulrich is from Germany and acceptable golf attire is more casual there. Why Pat would dig through the website to try and find something, anything, to discredit Ulrich is sad to me. I perceive Pat as I better person than that, and I can assure those who have not met Ulrich (of which Pat is one) he is a fine fellow... considerate, cheerful, and great company on the golf course. Ulrich has been a wonderful participant of several Buda Cups and adds thoughtful commentary to this discussion board without seeking personal recognition. We could use a lot more Ulrich's on this site!
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Not my definition. I believe the first guy, who came up with this concept, was called Jesus.
I don't expect anyone to be generous. But if you pump yourself up about what a generous person you are, then expect to be held to your claim :)
I never "pumped" myself up, I merely stated some facts, facts that are in evidence on this site and elsewhere.
And, I have no interest in saving you, that's your responsibiilty.
And, you can start by tucking your shirt in.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee169/wcb323/Royal%20Hague/Mark-Ulrich-WardatRH.jpg) (http://s228.photobucket.com/user/wcb323/media/Royal%20Hague/Mark-Ulrich-WardatRH.jpg.html)
This post has saddened me more than any in quite some time. Pat doesn't know Ulrich. He judges him because his shirt isn't tucked into his pants.
Michael,
That's not true at all.
I'm afraid that you're a little late to the dance.
Ulrich initiated the personal attacks.
Maybe you should admonish him.
Well, that might not fly at Garden City, but Ulrich is from Germany and acceptable golf attire is more casual there.
Why Pat would dig through the website to try and find something, anything, to discredit Ulrich is sad to me.
I didn't dig, I was referred to the photo by others.
I perceive Pat as I better person than that, and I can assure those who have not met Ulrich (of which Pat is one) he is a fine fellow... considerate, cheerful, and great company on the golf course.
Since I haven't met him, I can't make that or any determination.
Ulrich initiated the Ad Hominem diatribe, hence I can only judge him by the unprovoked personal assault/s hes initiated.
Surely you've read this entire thread and can ascertain the chronological order of the posts.
Ulrich has been a wonderful participant of several Buda Cups and adds thoughtful commentary to this discussion board without seeking personal recognition.
That doesn't excuse the Ad Hominem diatribes.
We could use a lot more Ulrich's on this site!
What kind of purist golfer uses a putter that stands up on it's own ?
What kind of purist golfer then stands behind the self erect putter and lines it up.
What kind of golf does he play ?
Al Czervik golf ?
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Did Ulrich do something illegal by using that putter? I played against him at the Buda and enjoyed it although he beat me. He and his wife went out of their way to help Bill and me navigate between courses and hotels over there. They were fun to be with on and off the course and added to the enjoyment of being in the Netherlands. Funny I didn't notice whether his or anyone else's shirts were in or out.
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Did Ulrich do something illegal by using that putter? I played against him at the Buda and enjoyed it although he beat me. He and his wife went out of their way to help Bill and me navigate between courses and hotels over there. They were fun to be with on and off the course and added to the enjoyment of being in the Netherlands. Funny I didn't notice whether his or anyone else's shirts were in or out.
If you didn't notice, I would suggest that those playing with you not ask you to read greens for them.
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Pat - what kind of putter do you use? Wouldn't be one of those long dongs, would it?
Also, it's unlike you to blame your indescretions on others... you decided to be Mr. Wasp and call Ulrich out with the photo. Man up and don't claim the dog ate your homework. At least it's been a while since I've seen you revert to your old trick of looking up someone's public record of GCA.com donations to point out that you top them in that area. Not very classy.
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Pat - what kind of putter do you use? Wouldn't be one of those long dongs, would it?
Also, it's unlike you to blame your indescretions on others... you decided to be Mr. Wasp and call Ulrich out with the photo. Man up and don't claim the dog ate your homework. At least it's been a while since I've seen you revert to your old trick of looking up someone's public record of GCA.com donations to point out that you top them in that area. Not very classy.
That sound you hear is Pat tearing the kitchen sink out of the wall and throwing it at Ulrich.
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I love those multi-topic threads ;-)
My current gamer on the greens is called the Bagger Vance 59 and it is manufactured by Mike Klais, a friend of mine, who I want to support. Therefore thanks to Pat Mucci for giving me the chance to plug it:
(http://www.marken-golf.de/golfshop/shop/ProdukteBilder/59-cavity.jpg)
I also own a couple of other putters, which I used to play occasionally. Not sure which one I had in the bag at Royal Hague - does anyone remember?
In any case, whichever flat stick I use, my putting routine is pretty standard. Not sure what Pat's problem is with that. For the shirt I have the excuse that I already played 18 holes in pretty humid conditions and was barely conscious for the second 18 at Royal Hague :)
Ulrich
PS: Mike, it's not that long ago, just four days (reply #51)
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Pat - what kind of putter do you use? Wouldn't be one of those long dongs, would it?
Michael,
I vacillate between a 35 inch and a 50 inch putter, depending upon my confidence level.
I have no problem with either putter outside of five feet, it's inside of five feet that my stroke becomes uncooperative.
I do not and have never used a putter that stands up by itself.
Also, it's unlike you to blame your indescretions on others... you decided to be Mr. Wasp and call Ulrich out with the photo.
No, that's not true.
I received an email telling me to look at the Royal Hague thread, a thread I had not bothered to view prior to that email.
The sender of that email pointed out that Ulrich had his shirt untucked.
As to describing me as "Mr Wasp", I don't think wearing one's shirt tucked in is an indicator of being "waspy"
I'm unaware of a private club that allows shirts to be worn untucked.
Man up and don't claim the dog ate your homework.
I just stated the facts that were brought to my attention.
At least it's been a while since I've seen you revert to your old trick of looking up someone's public record of GCA.com donations to point out that you top them in that area. Not very classy.
Again, not true.
When someone questions your contributions to this site, it would be foolish not to include donations made by the respective parties.
Actions speak louder than words and I've contributed to this site in more ways than one, which is more than I can say for those questioning my contributions.
You never answered my question/s about who inititiated this exchange between Ulrich and me.
I haven't noticed if you admonished Ulrich for his personal attack.
Did I overlook one of your posts ?
Or is it a one way street where Ulrich gets to initiate personal attacks and I have to sit back and accept them, with your approval of course.
Time for you to rethink your position.
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a friend and I when at university would discuss/argue about almost anything and the rule was that whomever turned to a personal attack about the person rather than the topic first lost the argument and the other would take great joy in saying "i think you lost that one" and the other would respond with "yeah i did" and we would then laugh and move onwards.
just something for folks to consider when resorting to personal attacks and maybe those who are subjected to personal attacks should simple reply with "I think you lost that one, chin up!" and we all move on.
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a friend and I when at university would discuss/argue about almost anything and the rule was that whomever turned to a personal attack about the person rather than the topic first lost the argument and the other would take great joy in saying "i think you lost that one" and the other would respond with "yeah i did" and we would then laugh and move onwards.
just something for folks to consider when resorting to personal attacks and maybe those who are subjected to personal attacks should simple reply with "I think you lost that one, chin up!" and we all move on.
Mark I totally agree with your sentiment. So to save time, I've changed my footer.
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This of course implies that both sides can recognize a personal attack. When one side insists on "merely stating facts" and "if it's true, then it can't be a personal attack", then that system doesn't work.
Therefore the only system that works is, if both parties agree that the receiver gets to define what is a personal attack on him and the sender has no say in it. I'm game for that, are you Mr. Mucci?
Ulrich
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This of course implies that both sides can recognize a personal attack. When one side insists on "merely stating facts" and "if it's true, then it can't be a personal attack", then that system doesn't work.
Therefore the only system that works is, if both parties agree that the receiver gets to define what is a personal attack on him and the sender has no say in it. I'm game for that, are you Mr. Mucci?
Ulrich,
The record speaks for itself.
Even a moron........., no, strike that, even a colossal moron, upon reviewing every reply on this thread, can see that you initiated the personal attack with reply # 66.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Ulrich
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Apparently you haven't reviewed your own postings, starting with #24, where you get personal towards me or even #8 and #16, where you call others morons. Face it, you're the bully and you are so set in your ways that you don't even realise it.
Ulrich
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Even a moron........., no, strike that, even a colossal moron, upon reviewing every reply on this thread, can see that you initiated the personal attack
Patrick,
As you know, I am a moron but even I am completely unable to understand this thread.
It really doesn't make sense.
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This thread should be retitled "The Real Housewives of CGA"
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Still no explanation of the Win Murry situation?
I met her once and she inexplicably Facebook-friended me afterwards... I can't really write her and say "Hey Win, long time no see... are you not blowing the right people at the Golf Channel?" So a little intel would be appreciated.
Maybe they plan to move some of their shows out of the Champagne Room at the strip club... at that point, her slightly more demure approach might come back into favor..
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This thread should be retitled "The Real Housewives of CGA"
+1 except that you meant GCA.
It's an embarrassing thread that reflects poorly on the website and several posters. But it's hard to turn your eyes away. Not unlike the Housewives.
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Dear Pat:
I recommend practicing the "circle of death for a half hour or more as often as possible. Pick the hole on the practice green that has the most severe slope (the one most people tend to avoid!), put six tees around it and go around and around...maybe even rope in a friend so that you both spend less time raking the missed ones. I make a lot more short putts now, and I bet you will too.
With great respect to everyone here, I really like Pat and think he's a great asset to the site.
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Apparently you haven't reviewed your own postings, starting with #24, where you get personal towards me
You really are disingenuous.
You know that my reply # 24 was in response to your post # 21.
You initiated the personal attack on me, but forturnately, the chronology of our respective posts, proves you to be the initiating offfender and no amount of babble from you can change that order.
In post # 24, I didn't make any personal attacks upon you or your character, I merely asked about the putter you were using.
or even #8 and #16, where you call others morons.
My exchange and/or relationship with others has nothing to do with you and nothing to do with you initiating a personal attack on me.
As to my replies on # 8 and # 16, those are terms of endearment, mixed in with humor that obviously escapess you.
But, let's go to the heart of the matter, the thread itself is an attack upon my posting style.
But, you chose to jump in and pile on with personal attacks to suit your own dim witted agenda.
Then, when I respond in kind, you take offense, that's being disingenuous, but, you wouldn't know it if it hit you in the face.
Face it, you're the bully and you are so set in your ways that you don't even realise it.
You need to learn the meaning of the words "chronological order"
You and you alone initiated this exchange.
Take responsibility for your actions you dim witted untucked shirt while lining up your stand up putter from behind moron.
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I'll chime in...I carefully use the OT
Ha! ::)
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DC, that was graceful and classy. +1? No, more like +10. #rolemodel
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Ronald Montesano starts this dumpster fire of a thread and walks away after post #1.
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Ronald Montesano starts this dumpster fire of a thread and walks away after post #1.
That's what can happen when you throw a nuclear flash bang grenade into a full dumpster..... ;D
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It drives me crazy when Pat has a one word thread title but I always open them because he seldom disappoints with his topics. They are invariably thought provoking and golf architecturally focused.
He is The Most Interesting Man in Golf.
God help you if Pat mentioning pleasuring himself first is your idea of 'most interesting.' ;D
You are, I'm sure, familiar with "irony."
Of course. Didn't doubt you for a minute. ;D
Are you coming to the Buda? Would love to have a pint. Of Dos XX of course. ;D
Unfortunately, BUDA has somewhat passed my radar without me really picking up on it. However, an excellent way to introduce a Dos XX reference so kudos to you. ;D
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We're all internet snipers.
Mucci just happens to use a machine gun. Most of the rest of us are sporting muzzle loaders, and it takes way too long to get the second shot off. There are a few folks thinking they've got a .45, when all they have is Red Rider.
Kavanaugh doesn't have a gun. He fancies himself as a bit of a ninja.
Sven
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This thread should be retitled "The Real Housewives of CGA"
Yes, it's quite the pillow fight.
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We're all internet snipers.
Mucci just happens to use a machine gun. Most of the rest of us are sporting muzzle loaders, and it takes way too long to get the second shot off. There are a few folks thinking they've got a .45, when all they have is Red Rider.
Kavanaugh doesn't have a gun. He fancies himself as a bit of a ninja.
Sven
There is only one true Ninja on this site... The Sandhills Ninja. If you have to ask his identity, you don't need to know. 8)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Px3DmeIHFc0/U9wc6YMaikI/AAAAAAAAJfU/5rrfu7LftfQ/s400/SandhillsNinja.jpg)
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I'm not sure my puny number of posts even entitles me to participate in this heavyweight bout. Nonetheless, allow me to point out that Mucci has simply perfected this bizarre art form. There are other less skilled violators out there, including the authors of current threads, "Great Guy, Great Blog" and "PGA Championship."
I'm sure that both Messrs. Walsh and Islam are, indeed, great guys!
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LOL