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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Geoffrey_Walsh on July 17, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
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Just told SVP he is not a big fan of links golf.
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I heard the same thing and it surprises me, kind of like when Rory admitted that he isn't the biggest fan of links golf. I wonder if those who have easier access to links golf tend to take it for granted?
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Remember, he is a heathlands kid. But, a very surprising thing to hear and even weirder when he then followed with something like: "I suppose the bunkers are interesting..."
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Being from the UK and being spoilt with links golf I can see where they are coming from.
If the wind gets up links golf is very hard. Factor in a hard left to right wing along a straight stretch of holes, think Western Gailes, and it can be a very long day. The wind just doesn't blow like that on the Surrey courses for example.
There's a place for both, but links and wind is a serious test of golf.
That being said Peter Alliss is going every so slightly mad in his old(ish) age!
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Augusta syndrome.
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Always speaks highly of Deal and Lytham. (Compare and contrast those two!)
Won twice at Princes
1965 Schweppes PGA Championship (Pro.) Peter Alliss
1969 Piccadilly Medal Pro. National Tournament Peter Alliss
There are portly more Links wins as the tour played more on them in his days. Won approx. 16 times.
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Thank God a Yank didn't blurt this heresy! That would provoke ten pages of blather.
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Thank God a Yank didn't blurt this heresy! That would provoke ten pages of blather.
A pair of Englishmen came into the shop this morning and asked me who was leading the British Open. :o
Only thing I could come up with was "You guys are kidding me, right"? ;D
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Peter Alliss tends to be complimentary about anywhere likely to invite/employ him for a gala dinner and speeches.
Many of you won't have played any of his courses. And apparently he genuinely did have a hand in them, rather than just being a name. They tell you all you need to know.
I will allow others that have actually met him to comment further.
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For the second time this week, why is this a thread?
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Well said Ronald, dear boy.
What we require is more 'Which is the best national championship played in the United States'' type threads.
Splendid m'lad.
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For the second time this week, why is this a thread?
Noted.
However, this is about the commenting on 'the running game,' by a prominent voice in the game. Peter Alliss commenting on the purest form of sand based golf does have architectural significance.
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Well said Ronald, dear boy.
What we require is more 'Which is the best national championship played in the United States'' type threads.
Splendid m'lad.
You forgot threads about turning pictures into posters.
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They'll miss him when he's gone.
How refreshing that he'll express an opinion. I'm sure lots share the view but none express it.
We are then left with listening to interviews along the lines of: It was tough out there with the wind getting up (It wasn't and it didn't). I really love links golf (they don't). I'm really looking forward to coming back to Scotland for the Ryder Cup (They aren't). The fans are so knowledgable over here (so everyone says, I just hide under my shades or avoid eye contact). I've had some great trips to Ireland and enjoyed the craic and a Guinness (it pissed down with rain and I had room service). I'm just taking one shot at a time (I spent Thursday evening looking at early flights home).
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Brian,
"some of the girls looked cute, some were a bit pudgy and some were just a mess"
He really said that did he? That's amazing!
Peter himself is a bit pudgy and often looks a mess and somewhat windblown in my opinion!
For me he will never top his statement regarding the streaker at one of The Opens being led away by an old time bobby. The very proper copper used his helmet to discretely cover up this criminal's privates. Peter opined to millions of television viewers "My, oh my, oh my. What a big, big fuss over such a little, little thing."
Cheers Colin
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For the second time this week, why is this a thread?
You don't find curious statements by leading figures worthy of discussion?
I've been away, missed the first one, but this sort of statement casts a new light on everything Mr. Alliss says...
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I enjoy his commentary.
His best comment today was after the taped interviews where players were asked to name members The Beatles. Some could not! Rory named one, 'George Lucas' and Bubba couldn't name one. It was pretty embarrassing.
Allis then recalled a story talking with a woman about music. I forget the story. He responded to her with, "What about Sammy Davis, Jr.?" And he said she replied to him, "Who is Sammy David Jr.?''
Allis then said, 'I nearly strangled her."
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I anxiously await this event for no other reason than to hear Peter Alliss come out with something bizarre.
Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDnWdaepjY
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDnWdaepjY)
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Why would Bubba Watson be able to name the Beatles. Do you think a young fellow from some hick town in the deep south listens to classic 60's British Invasion pop music?
He probably doesn't know who Miles Davis or Carole King are either.
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He probably doesn't know who Miles Davis or Carole King are either.
Dear Brent,
Who?
Sincerely,
Bernie from Broomall
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Why would Bubba Watson be able to name the Beatles. Do you think a young fellow from some hick town in the deep south listens to classic 60's British Invasion pop music?
He probably doesn't know who Miles Davis or Carole King are either.
Miles Davis? Do you mean Miley Cyrus? Did autocorrect get you?
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Why would Bubba Watson be able to name the Beatles. Do you think a young fellow from some hick town in the deep south listens to classic 60's British Invasion pop music?
He probably doesn't know who Miles Davis or Carole King are either.
Miles Davis? Do you mean Miley Cyrus? Did autocorrect get you?
Hey, you listen now Bailey. I know who this Miley guy is. The Sycamores would have never made it to the title game vs the Spartans in '79 without his magic at small forward!
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Why would Bubba Watson be able to name the Beatles. Do you think a young fellow from some hick town in the deep south listens to classic 60's British Invasion pop music?
He probably doesn't know who Miles Davis or Carole King are either.
Miles Davis? Do you mean Miley Cyrus? Did autocorrect get you?
Hey, you listen now Bailey. I know who this Miley guy is. The Sycamores would have never made it to the title game vs the Spartans in '79 without his magic at small forward!
Flippin' you the bird man. Magic played for the Spartans.
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Peter Alliss on the Golf Channel was asked by Rich Lerner if he wanted to see bad weather responded "i like a bit of erotica but i'm not a masochist." (Assuming I heard correctly.)
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The old man cracks me up, he says some goofy stuff but I enjoy listening to him tell stories.
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He must be damn near 90 by now. And I hear he cant get about much. Must wheel him in and postion a bottle of gin close to hand.
I do however echo his thoughts, Links golf has its place, but not every weekend
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He must be damn near 90 by now. And I hear he cant get about much. Must wheel him in and postion a bottle of gin close to hand.
I do however echo his thoughts, Links golf has its place, but not every weekend
I think he's 83, thought he said he played in the 47 Open when he was 16.
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Oft repeated. I’m sure I’ve shared it here before, but my favorite and sworn to be true. Henry Longhurst and Peter Alliss watching a broadcast on two small monitors during a ladies event: one showing a flyover or general view of the entire hole, one showing a lady putting and picking her ball out of the hole. Apparently, they had no idea which monitor was being used as the live feed. While the feed was showing the shot of the lady putting and picking up her ball out of the hole, Longhurst and Alliss were thinking the feed was about the flyover.
Diaglog:
Alliss: “Lovely hole.”
Longhurst: “Yes, but it was quite a bit tighter in my day.”
Broadcast feed: Lady bending over, shot from behind, picking the ball out of the hole.
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During the rebroadcast of Trevino's win in 72, you can hear either Jacklin or Trevino (I can't recall which one said it) on camera asking "what did Longhurst have to say about that?"
A great shout out to the marriage between great sportsmanship and great commentating. Alas, a bygone era. Alliss is the last vestige of those days.
Sven
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OT admittedly but, for the benefit of our non British contingent, a very famous quote from a snooker commentator:
For those of you watching in black and white, the pink ball is just behind the green.
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Oft repeated. I’m sure I’ve shared it here before, but my favorite and sworn to be true. Henry Longhurst and Peter Alliss watching a broadcast on two small monitors during a ladies event: one showing a flyover or general view of the entire hole, one showing a lady putting and picking her ball out of the hole. Apparently, they had no idea which monitor was being used as the live feed. While the feed was showing the shot of the lady putting and picking up her ball out of the hole, Longhurst and Alliss were thinking the feed was about the flyover.
Diaglog:
Alliss: “Lovely hole.”
Longhurst: “Yes, but it was quite a bit tighter in my day.”
Broadcast feed: Lady bending over, shot from behind, picking the ball out of the hole.
Sadly I fear this is apocryphal. There was no ladies golf on UK TV when I was a kid in the 1970s; it's hard for me to believe there was any earlier.
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Why would Bubba Watson be able to name the Beatles. Do you think a young fellow from some hick town in the deep south listens to classic 60's British Invasion pop music?
He probably doesn't know who Miles Davis or Carole King are either.
Correct, I wonder if the interviewer could name the Sex Pistols or Boyzone or JLS.
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I love Aliss' dulcet tones and some of his anecdotes. Must be a great guy to have a few, or many, drinks with; but I hate when GB&I guys dis links golf. Seems unpatriotic.
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I love Aliss' dulcet tones and some of his anecdotes. Must be a great guy to have a few, or many, drinks with; but I hate when GB&I guys dis links golf. Seems unpatriotic.
Without wishing to open a whole can of worms, a fail to see why looking beyond ones' own tribe is such a bad thing.
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Why would Bubba Watson be able to name the Beatles. Do you think a young fellow from some hick town in the deep south listens to classic 60's British Invasion pop music?
I assumed a 35 year old adult from a modern civilized country, regardless of which state he's from, would be able to name at least one Beatle-even if he never listened to, as you refer to as, '60's British Invasion pop music.'
I guess my expectations were way too high.
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I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few guys on tour that couldn't name one member of the Dave Matthews band. Nothing new to see here, no one has ever accused them of being rocket scientists.
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Why would Bubba Watson be able to name the Beatles. Do you think a young fellow from some hick town in the deep south listens to classic 60's British Invasion pop music?
I assumed a 35 year old adult from a modern civilized country, regardless of which state he's from, would be able to name at least one Beatle-even if he never listened to, as you refer to as, '60's British Invasion pop music.'
I guess my expectations were way too high.
That's not "high expectations". It's expectiing that people from a different age cohort and socioeconomic background than yourself share your taste in pop cultural ephemera.
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I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few guys on tour that couldn't name one member of the Dave Matthews band. Nothing new to see here, no one has ever accused them of being rocket scientists.
Ummmmmmmmmmmm, wild guess, Dave Mathews?
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I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few guys on tour that couldn't name one member of the Dave Matthews band. Nothing new to see here, no one has ever accused them of being rocket scientists.
Ummmmmmmmmmmm, wild guess, Dave Mathews?
Garland--
Ummmmmm, I don't think you quite got all of the humor in Sven's post.
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Oft repeated. I’m sure I’ve shared it here before, but my favorite and sworn to be true. Henry Longhurst and Peter Alliss watching a broadcast on two small monitors during a ladies event: one showing a flyover or general view of the entire hole, one showing a lady putting and picking her ball out of the hole. Apparently, they had no idea which monitor was being used as the live feed. While the feed was showing the shot of the lady putting and picking up her ball out of the hole, Longhurst and Alliss were thinking the feed was about the flyover.
Diaglog:
Alliss: “Lovely hole.”
Longhurst: “Yes, but it was quite a bit tighter in my day.”
Broadcast feed: Lady bending over, shot from behind, picking the ball out of the hole.
Sadly I fear this is apocryphal. There was no ladies golf on UK TV when I was a kid in the 1970s; it's hard for me to believe there was any earlier.
Too good a story to give up on.
I clearly remember seeing women's golf at Sunningdale on the BBC when I was a teenager in the 70s, particularly Sally Little, Jan Stephenson and Laura Baugh.
I didn't remember it was the Colgate European Open, but Google did, confirming the event was held there from 74 to 79.
Henry Longhurst died in July 1978 but I remember him as well, I think he worked for the Beeb until quite close to the end.
As for Alliss, I always liked the way he never became a grumpy old man, until, quite suddenly a few years ago, he did. Perhaps he realised this, or listened to those who pointed it out to him, or is in a better place, because the empathy and humour Brian refers to are back. May he enjoy a 'long finish'.
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I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few guys on tour that couldn't name one member of the Dave Matthews band. Nothing new to see here, no one has ever accused them of being rocket scientists.
Ummmmmmmmmmmm, wild guess, Dave Mathews?
Garland--
Ummmmmm, I don't think you quite got all of the humor in Sven's post.
Ummmmmmmmmmm, maybe you didn't get mine.
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Why would Bubba Watson be able to name the Beatles. Do you think a young fellow from some hick town in the deep south listens to classic 60's British Invasion pop music?
I assumed a 35 year old adult from a modern civilized country, regardless of which state he's from, would be able to name at least one Beatle-even if he never listened to, as you refer to as, '60's British Invasion pop music.'
I guess my expectations were way too high.
That's not "high expectations". It's expectiing that people from a different age cohort and socioeconomic background than yourself share your taste in pop cultural ephemera.
I'm a 37 year old Brit. I'm not so big on rock and roll. I've heard of Elvis.
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That's not "high expectations". It's expectiing that people from a different age cohort and socioeconomic background than yourself share your taste in pop cultural ephemera.
When I taught inner city middle school social studies in Philly more than 10 years ago there were plenty of kids in my classes who named at least one Beatle. Most named John Lennon as that 'peace dude' even tough he had died well before those kids were born. I wasn't surprised. They were surprised, however, that I knew about the Ruff Ryders and DMX.
The Beatles transcend 'age cohorts' and 'socioeconomic backgrounds.' Don't you agree?
The dude couldn't name ONE Beatle. Just ONE! A 35 year old! I can't comprehend that, no matter what you believe to be the explanations.
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The Beatles transcend 'age cohorts' and 'socioeconomic backgrounds.' Don't you agree?
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No. Only British chauvinists believe that.
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Peter was pro at Parkstone and his father was pro at Ferndown both in the Bournmouth area
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He must be damn near 90 by now. And I hear he cant get about much. Must wheel him in and postion a bottle of gin close to hand.
I do however echo his thoughts, Links golf has its place, but not every weekend
Why is it that the British commentators from Longhurst, Allis, Price and many others did enjoy their Vitamin G?
Bob
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He must be damn near 90 by now. And I hear he cant get about much. Must wheel him in and postion a bottle of gin close to hand.
I do however echo his thoughts, Links golf has its place, but not every weekend
Why is it that the British commentators from Longhurst, Allis, Price and many others did enjoy their Vitamin G?
Bob
As Tevia says, tradition.
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Oft repeated. I’m sure I’ve shared it here before, but my favorite and sworn to be true. Henry Longhurst and Peter Alliss watching a broadcast on two small monitors during a ladies event: one showing a flyover or general view of the entire hole, one showing a lady putting and picking her ball out of the hole. Apparently, they had no idea which monitor was being used as the live feed. While the feed was showing the shot of the lady putting and picking up her ball out of the hole, Longhurst and Alliss were thinking the feed was about the flyover.
Diaglog:
Alliss: “Lovely hole.”
Longhurst: “Yes, but it was quite a bit tighter in my day.”
Broadcast feed: Lady bending over, shot from behind, picking the ball out of the hole.
Sadly I fear this is apocryphal. There was no ladies golf on UK TV when I was a kid in the 1970s; it's hard for me to believe there was any earlier.
Still a great story!
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I have no idea if this is true, but I've heard several confirmations that it is gospel. Who cares, it is a good story and entirely believable as these guys just say whatever they want. On the other side of the pond, we must suffer through the insipid ramblings of guys like Strange, Azinger, etc. The Golf Channel is even worse. Tripp and Brandel telling us what it is like to be there. How would they know? I'll concede that Chamblee does his homework, but he has so much airtime to fill he'll anoint Adam Scott as the best player in the world and four days later say it's Rory. Might as well take a survey in the mall. If I were to vote for my favorite babbler, I'd pick the likes of Alliss and Longhurst.
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They have the ability to make listening to them understandable and interesting whether you know anything about golf or not. Muh like the best cricket commentators.
Jon
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I resorted to poaching the BBC feed on my computer rather than watching ESPN. Wow, what a difference. No commercials. The occasional silence. Peter Alliss. Better camera work. There simply was no comparison. If BBC coverage was a golfer it would be Rory McIlroy. If ESPN's coverage were a golfer it would be Kevin Na. I was especially impressed with the Irishwoman's commentary as she followed Sergio/DJ. "Johnson has a 9 but in my opinion he would do better with a wee 8...." "There's quite a commotion as the crowd is crossing the fifth through the bunkers and over the green. It really is quite dis-grace-ful..." "A bit of drama here on 14 as Sergio has gone under the rope into the gallery accompanied by a marshal..."
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I resorted to poaching the BBC feed on my computer rather than watching ESPN. Wow, what a difference. No commercials. The occasional silence. Peter Alliss. Better camera work. There simply was no comparison. If BBC coverage was a golfer it would be Rory McIlroy. If ESPN's coverage were a golfer it would be Kevin Na. I was especially impressed with the Irishwoman's commentary as she followed Sergio/DJ. "Johnson has a 9 but in my opinion he would do better with a wee 8...." "There's quite a commotion as the crowd is crossing the fifth through the bunkers and over the green. It really is quite dis-grace-ful..." "A bit of drama here on 14 as Sergio has gone under the rope into the gallery accompanied by a marshal..."
Maureen Madilll is great. Personally I'd promote her to the commentary box.
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Aliss is very, very humorous. He constantly comes up with little jabs. Its hard to imagine who could possibly fill his airtime, but I do get the impression he is getting less and less time. I agree with Adam. I think Madill needs a go in the box.
Ciao
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The BBC's franchise for covering the Open comes up for renewal in the near future. Peter Dawson alluded to the possibility of another broadcaster buying the rights. What might the effects be?
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Geoff Shackleford's website discussed the possibility of Sky Sports getting the broadcast rights this last week:
http://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2014/7/16/rupert-sky-looking-to-push-bbc-59-years-out-of-the-open.html
DT
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I do enjoy P. Allis although I actually enjoy the bbc 5live radio commentary even more. They are brilliant. It actually timed very well with the TV on the final day so I watched the TV whilst listening to the radio. Recommended.
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I'd be willing to bet there are quite a few guys on tour that couldn't name one member of the Dave Matthews band. Nothing new to see here, no one has ever accused them of being rocket scientists.
Ummmmmmmmmmmm, wild guess, Dave Mathews?
Garland--
Ummmmmm, I don't think you quite got all of the humor in Sven's post.
Ummmmmmmmmmm, maybe you didn't get mine.
I definitely didn't.
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One thing that has been discussed on other threads has been the difficulty golf has had recently finding new people. Back in the 80s there were at least 6 tournaments on the free view channels plus 'A round with Alliss. Someone with a passing interest could watch and maybe get more motivated to start playing. I started due to watching the 1974 Open aged 5 when I was confined indoors with Mumps. Had it not been for this encounter with the Open on the BBC I doubt I would have ever started playing.
If the R&A decide to sell to a higher bidder such as Sky it will mean ONLY established golfers will see the game on TV. How does that fit in with the R&A's desire to grow the game?
Jon
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I predict that this was Peter Allis' last Open in the big chair. He made more bloopers over the past 4-days than Henry Longhurst made in his lifetime, and he never had Henry's way with words. For example, when climbing up to the TV tower after having downed several large G&T's, and was asked if he was OK:
"I just hope that they have not paired Hunt and Coles today."
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Watching the Masters and The Open is just about all I get to see. However increasingly people who watch Sky argue that thier coverage is much superior to the BBC. No matter what one thinks of Alliss (I love him), the BBC coverage of these events seems tired to me.
Jon I agree withyour thoughts about retaining the biggest audience but it seems to me that the BBC have lost the hardcore audience and that one has to admire Sky for ding thier job rather well. For me it's all a bit ominous.
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I suspect Dawson is firing a shot across the BBC's bows to get them to make a higher offer. I would be very surprised if the R&A were prepared to see the Open go to pay TV.
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I predict that this was Peter Allis' last Open in the big chair. He made more bloopers over the past 4-days than Henry Longhurst made in his lifetime, and he never had Henry's way with words. For example, when climbing up to the TV tower after having downed several large G&T's, and was asked if he was OK:
"I just hope that they have not paired Hunt and Coles today."
Brilliant. Can I assume HL was terminated soon afterwards?
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Watching the Masters and The Open is just about all I get to see. However increasingly people who watch Sky argue that thier coverage is much superior to the BBC. No matter what one thinks of Alliss (I love him), the BBC coverage of these events seems tired to me.
Jon I agree withyour thoughts about retaining the biggest audience but it seems to me that the BBC have lost the hardcore audience and that one has to admire Sky for ding thier job rather well. For me it's all a bit ominous.
I find the BBC coverage anything but tired. The silences, the lack of commercial breaks, the camera pans across the beach and the commentary on day to day club golf are part of a viewing experience and represent lazy, summer days. The beeb is like the traditional game whereas Sky is like the modern one: endless stats and numbers, noise, commercials and uninteresting analysis.
I have Sky Sports at home yet I only really watch The Open properly anymore. Just like I gave up on cricket when it left terrestrial.
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Ally,
Right on. If I have to listen to Zinger try to oversell the drama one more time, or Strange say ANYTHING at all ever again, I may harm myself. The BBC coverage is so head and shoulders superior to these clowns that it's an embarrassment to all that is American.