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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Pete Lavallee on June 03, 2014, 08:49:52 PM
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The limited turnout of 8 players at this year's King!s Putter was somewhat disappointing. Our esteemed Captain of the North team, Pete Pittock suggested a return to earlier in the year would increase attendance. I tend to agree that scheduling the Event while it is still cold in the rest of the country would help bring people to the sunny southwest. Since it's the Souths turn to host next year I am open to any and all suggestions. The real problem is the price is high in the winter in So Cal and Az and the weather is probably too cold to try places like NM. Here are some possibilities:
Return to the site of KP I, Barona Creek, the hotel would be a great place to have our headquarters, however we would need to negotiate a decent rate as weekend green fees are $126.
The McDowell Indian Reservation would make a great headquarters with two top notch courses, We Ko Suaro and Cholla; again a triple digit green fees could be an issue.
Would the weather be good enough to try Apache Stronghold?
There are 27 holes at the Baja Mar resort near Encinnada Mexico about 1.5 hours from SD; we could hire a bus to take the entire group across the border avoiding any unpleasant encounters. A side trip to Tihahuana CC just over the border could be interesting.
The Palm Springs area has lots of option from expensive like La Quinta to reasonable like the Indian Wells Resort with their two revamped Ted Robinson courses, the Celebrity and the Classic. Desert Willow also offers two courses as does the Desert Springs Marriott, with two breathtaking examples of Ted Robinson's most hideous work!
Let's hear where you would like to play.
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Hi Pete,
I agree a Feb/March event in Southern California or Arizona would be very attractive.
Las Vegas would be an excellent location as well.
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8) Pete,
I'd come to Barona Creek for a KP event, or the other SoCal venues, but not interested in putting one penny into Mexican economy. :o
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Definitely time for a return to California.
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Rustic Canyon is very desirable. Another course(s) could be added.
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Rustic Canyon is very desirable. Another course(s) could be added.
I played Soule Park in the AM and Rustic PM one day in mid January. I thought it was a nice combination, particularly in that order. For those not familiar with Soule Park, check out Mark Saltzman's photo tour.
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56431.0.html
Of course, Ojai is nearby as well, although I have not played it.
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Rustic Canyon is very desirable. Another course(s) could be added.
I played Soule Park in the AM and Rustic PM one day in mid January. I thought it was a nice combination, particularly in that order. For those not familiar with Soule Park, check out Mark Saltzman's photo tour.
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56431.0.html
Of course, Ojai is nearby as well, although I have not played it.
That was a Kings Putter line up not long ago, with Sherwood tacked on at the end.
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We have done the Rustic, Soule Park combo before but I wouldn't hesitate to return there. Ojai Valley Inn is very good but pricey. La Purisima could figure in the mix; pinots and dinner at the restaurant from Sideways?
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We have done the Rustic, Soule Park combo before but I wouldn't hesitate to return there. Ojai Valley Inn is very good but pricey. La Purisima could figure in the mix; pinots and dinner at the restaurant from Sideways?
The Hitching Post? I'm not drinking any F****** merlot!!!!
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A reprise of Barona - or even Stevinson Ranch might work. Here is one out of left field that I guarantee would knock everybody's dick into their watch pocket for pure adventure:
Everybody convene in San Francisco and caravan north.
1st Stop: Bodega Bay - full blast climb into the clouds and a wild tumble all the way to the foggy beach. Maybe not a great golf course, but an opening gambit guaranteed to start an argument.
2nd Stop: Sea Ranch - up the windswept coast 90 minutes to a terrific golfing outpost. Renting a couple roomy houses within walking distance is cheap and easy. Personally, I love this course; in the interest of full disclosure, the back nine was designed and built by our Neal Meagher some years after Bob Graves completed the front side.
3rd Stop: On the way home, a quick nine holes in the redwoods at Northwood in Monte Rio. An unknown Mackenzie gem that gets little notice.
Since there is no driving involved after golf, I envision a margarita blast around a fire pit, cooking obscenely large and juicy steaks, washed down with a parade of spicy Zins and Cabernets so nasty-ass they torch your nose hairs with a single sniff.
Thick sweaters, flasks of single malt and a post-match skins game with dollar junk, officiated by Pete Lavallee in his inimitable courtly manner.
A gathering of such gravitas that even the Evil Leprechaun makes his triumphant return - in a match against Barny in which Huck kicks his ass 7-6.
Huntley will be picked up from his castle and transported with the group, serving as Honorary Team Captain for both sides (to ameliorate the inevitable squabbling over him).
Dan King will preside as, well, King. Named Dan. Except like waaaay skinnier than before.
A moment of silence before every match shall be observed in memory of Tiger Bernhardt, followed by a mandatory dram or two at the turn. Hopefully the chick behind the bar is hot, because gawd knows John was a connoisseur of both.
That is all.
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A reprise of Barona - or even Stevinson Ranch might work. Here is one out of left field that I guarantee would knock everybody's dick into their watch pocket for pure adventure:
Everybody convene in San Francisco and caravan north.
1st Stop: Bodega Bay - full blast climb into the clouds and a wild tumble all the way to the foggy beach. Maybe not a great golf course, but an opening gambit guaranteed to start an argument.
2nd Stop: Sea Ranch - up the windswept coast 90 minutes to a terrific golfing outpost. Renting a couple roomy houses within walking distance is cheap and easy. Personally, I love this course; in the interest of full disclosure, the back nine was designed and built by our Neal Meagher some years after Bob Graves completed the front side.
3rd Stop: On the way home, a quick nine holes in the redwoods at Northwood in Monte Rio. An unknown Mackenzie gem that gets little notice.
Since there is no driving involved after golf, I envision a margarita blast around a fire pit, cooking obscenely large and juicy steaks, washed down with a parade of spicy Zins and Cabernets so nasty-ass they torch your nose hairs with a single sniff.
Thick sweaters, flasks of single malt and a post-match skins game with dollar junk, officiated by Pete Lavallee in his inimitable courtly manner.
A gathering of such gravitas that even the Evil Leprechaun makes his triumphant return - in a match against Barny in which Huck kicks his ass 7-6.
Huntley will be picked up from his castle and transported with the group, serving as Honorary Team Captain for both sides (to ameliorate the inevitable squabbling over him).
Dan King will preside as, well, King. Named Dan. Except like waaaay skinnier than before.
A moment of silence before every match shall be observed in memory of Tiger Bernhardt, followed by a mandatory dram or two at the turn. Hopefully the chick behind the bar is hot, because gawd knows John was a connoisseur of both.
That is all.
In.
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You pretty much need a bucket list type couse to attract those of us from other places to make the trip while keeping costs down.
Shoulder season Palm Springs might work in late April. The only bucket list couses i know of there would be pga west stadium and stoneeagle. The weather is shaky enough for many of us at home at that time to make travel attractive.
St george utah also could work. Costs are relatively low, Sand Hollow makes it a worthy bucket list course and Vegas as an airport destination increases its attractiveness
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Just so we can have the same weather we had this weekend, thanks to Richard Choi's great planning.
As a disclaimer as I am one of many esteemed north captains in King's Putter history I was put on the south team and rode the coattails of Michael Essig to a 1-0 record.
The only drawback to AZ or NM is the travel time for NorCal participants.
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8) Pete, whine about Norcal travel time ??.. and you expect anyone eastof the Rockies to attend??
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A reprise of Barona - or even Stevinson Ranch might work. Here is one out of left field that I guarantee would knock everybody's dick into their watch pocket for pure adventure:
Everybody convene in San Francisco and caravan north.
1st Stop: Bodega Bay - full blast climb into the clouds and a wild tumble all the way to the foggy beach. Maybe not a great golf course, but an opening gambit guaranteed to start an argument.
2nd Stop: Sea Ranch - up the windswept coast 90 minutes to a terrific golfing outpost. Renting a couple roomy houses within walking distance is cheap and easy. Personally, I love this course; in the interest of full disclosure, the back nine was designed and built by our Neal Meagher some years after Bob Graves completed the front side.
3rd Stop: On the way home, a quick nine holes in the redwoods at Northwood in Monte Rio. An unknown Mackenzie gem that gets little notice.
Since there is no driving involved after golf, I envision a margarita blast around a fire pit, cooking obscenely large and juicy steaks, washed down with a parade of spicy Zins and Cabernets so nasty-ass they torch your nose hairs with a single sniff.
Thick sweaters, flasks of single malt and a post-match skins game with dollar junk, officiated by Pete Lavallee in his inimitable courtly manner.
A gathering of such gravitas that even the Evil Leprechaun makes his triumphant return - in a match against Barny in which Huck kicks his ass 7-6.
Huntley will be picked up from his castle and transported with the group, serving as Honorary Team Captain for both sides (to ameliorate the inevitable squabbling over him).
Dan King will preside as, well, King. Named Dan. Except like waaaay skinnier than before.
A moment of silence before every match shall be observed in memory of Tiger Bernhardt, followed by a mandatory dram or two at the turn. Hopefully the chick behind the bar is hot, because gawd knows John was a connoisseur of both.
That is all.
In.
In, too.
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Rustic Canyon is very desirable. Another course(s) could be added.
I played Soule Park in the AM and Rustic PM one day in mid January. I thought it was a nice combination, particularly in that order. For those not familiar with Soule Park, check out Mark Saltzman's photo tour.
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56431.0.html
Of course, Ojai is nearby as well, although I have not played it.
That was a Kings Putter line up not long ago, with Sherwood tacked on at the end.
Yeah, the guys that put that one on were real pieces of work. Keep them away from the planning on this one....they'll just f**k it up! ;D
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Cabo in January looks inviting.
From Greg Tallman's 2013 GCA outing:
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,55381.msg1284516/topicseen.html#msg1284516 (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,55381.msg1284516/topicseen.html#msg1284516)
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,54595.0.html (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,54595.0.html)
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Cabo or Palm Springs would interest me.
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A reprise of Barona - or even Stevinson Ranch might work. Here is one out of left field that I guarantee would knock everybody's dick into their watch pocket for pure adventure:
Everybody convene in San Francisco and caravan north.
1st Stop: Bodega Bay - full blast climb into the clouds and a wild tumble all the way to the foggy beach. Maybe not a great golf course, but an opening gambit guaranteed to start an argument.
2nd Stop: Sea Ranch - up the windswept coast 90 minutes to a terrific golfing outpost. Renting a couple roomy houses within walking distance is cheap and easy. Personally, I love this course; in the interest of full disclosure, the back nine was designed and built by our Neal Meagher some years after Bob Graves completed the front side.
3rd Stop: On the way home, a quick nine holes in the redwoods at Northwood in Monte Rio. An unknown Mackenzie gem that gets little notice.
Since there is no driving involved after golf, I envision a margarita blast around a fire pit, cooking obscenely large and juicy steaks, washed down with a parade of spicy Zins and Cabernets so nasty-ass they torch your nose hairs with a single sniff.
Thick sweaters, flasks of single malt and a post-match skins game with dollar junk, officiated by Pete Lavallee in his inimitable courtly manner.
A gathering of such gravitas that even the Evil Leprechaun makes his triumphant return - in a match against Barny in which Huck kicks his ass 7-6.
Huntley will be picked up from his castle and transported with the group, serving as Honorary Team Captain for both sides (to ameliorate the inevitable squabbling over him).
Dan King will preside as, well, King. Named Dan. Except like waaaay skinnier than before.
A moment of silence before every match shall be observed in memory of Tiger Bernhardt, followed by a mandatory dram or two at the turn. Hopefully the chick behind the bar is hot, because gawd knows John was a connoisseur of both.
That is all.
In.
In, too.
In
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While traffic could and more than likely would be an issue, how about flying into LA, staying in Orange County and playing Barona one day and Rustic Canyon the next.
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I'm out.
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Okay Barny, then you can play me instead. I've got a giant horse cock where my putter grip used to be and feeling pretty chesty for an Armenian with a golf swing that makes Allen Doyle look like Tom Weiskopf.
You can play incognito as Gillette Silver, since the gang already knows the identity of Jaka b. Show up in whichever incarnation you like and prepare to be soundly thrashed. I throweth downeth the gauntleteth. Not sure if that is correct Shakespearian lingo.
My suggestion would be to gather en masse the night before at Tommaso's in North Beach for wood fired Italian. Eat an early dinner and blast straight for Bodega to play early the next day. The afternoon winds there can be a bit much, even for us low-ball hitters.
Houses that sleep eight go for $250 a night in Sea Ranch, so the accommodations are essentially free. If we BBQ both nights, the only significant cost is fine wine and green fees, which are quite negotiable given the remote location.
My corporate AmEx includes insurance for $4, so my thought is to rent a couple Suburbans and maybe a chase car to save gas. I've been on the proverbial wagon for quite a while, so one more designated driver might be in order.
I think everybody would dig Northwood and there is a pretty decent restaurant patio set up there to heckle groups as they arrive. Monte Rio is the capital of Lesbia, which might be a bit of culture shock to the Midwesterners, so best to save off color comments for the ride back.
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It may be hard to determine if So Cal or No Cal is the host. The 2103 version in Cayucos can be claimed by both divisions. If the mediumly deranged Armenian can get it (this) together, IN.
As far as the baysters traveling is concerned it seems like they leave home at 3am ish and drive straight to the event then drive straight back with nary a lost work day.
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Cabo in late February would be even better, with improved access to other courses other than just CDS perhaps.
With a s ensible number perhaps a rotation of four different courses would be possible to attract just about anybody.
The two courses at CDS...perhaps the two at Diamante as the new Tiger course will be open, plus a choice of others ?????
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Okay Barny, then you can play me instead. I've got a giant horse cock where my putter grip used to be and feeling pretty chesty for an Armenian with a golf swing that makes Allen Doyle look like Tom Weiskopf.
You can play incognito as Gillette Silver, since the gang already knows the identity of Jaka b. Show up in whichever incarnation you like and prepare to be soundly thrashed. I throweth downeth the gauntleteth. Not sure if that is correct Shakespearian lingo.
My suggestion would be to gather en masse the night before at Tommaso's in North Beach for wood fired Italian. Eat an early dinner and blast straight for Bodega to play early the next day. The afternoon winds there can be a bit much, even for us low-ball hitters.
Houses that sleep eight go for $250 a night in Sea Ranch, so the accommodations are essentially free. If we BBQ both nights, the only significant cost is fine wine and green fees, which are quite negotiable given the remote location.
My corporate AmEx includes insurance for $4, so my thought is to rent a couple Suburbans and maybe a chase car to save gas. I've been on the proverbial wagon for quite a while, so one more designated driver might be in order.
I think everybody would dig Northwood and there is a pretty decent restaurant patio set up there to heckle groups as they arrive. Monte Rio is the capital of Lesbia, which might be a bit of culture shock to the Midwesterners, so best to save off color comments for the ride back.
Still in. Avoid May as I plan to be in Scotland. ;D
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One of the problems with the King's Putter in the past has been that there is a rate for raters and a rate for civilians. At Barona we even had to form separate lines at the counter. Now if we were all equals and the event was held at Cabo I would be in no matter who I had to play.
One reason the 5th Major is such a success is that even the members pay the same as everyone else. All winners with one champion.
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Cabo in late February would be even better, with improved access to other courses other than just CDS perhaps.
With a s ensible number perhaps a rotation of four different courses would be possible to attract just about anybody.
The two courses at CDS...perhaps the two at Diamante as the new Tiger course will be open, plus a choice of others ?????
Happy to put it together. Come up with dated that work for most and I will get it rolling.
As you may recall I hosted and event the "Tequila Cup" in January 2103 and had about 14 folks attend. Unfortunately our organization does not own/operate either of the hotels on site and those dealings became an obstacle for an annual event (I already battle through the politics and red tape for our collegiate golf event each year and another such scenario was not appealing :-[ )
Michael's lineup looks solid and for those that wanted to extend there would be a couple more courses that should be visited, namely Quivira which is just above Diamante and Chileno Bay assuming they are finally able to whip the course back into passable condition.
There would likely be a Norman course a few months into construction near Diamante if a group wanted to arrange a walk about I imagine we could do so.
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One of the problems with the King's Putter in the past has been that there is a rate for raters and a rate for civilians. At Barona we even had to form separate lines at the counter. Now if we were all equals and the event was held at Cabo I would be in no matter who I had to play.
One reason the 5th Major is such a success is that even the members pay the same as everyone else. All winners with one champion.
At your suggestion if the event is in Cabo raters would pay the same as everyone else.
Civilians? really?
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One of the problems with the King's Putter in the past has been that there is a rate for raters and a rate for civilians. At Barona we even had to form separate lines at the counter. Now if we were all equals and the event was held at Cabo I would be in no matter who I had to play.
One reason the 5th Major is such a success is that even the members pay the same as everyone else. All winners with one champion.
At your suggestion if the event is in Cabo raters would pay the same as everyone else.
Civilians? really?
Well that pretty much makes me obligated.
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3rd Stop: On the way home, a quick nine holes in the redwoods at Northwood in Monte Rio. An unknown Mackenzie gem that gets little notice.
It gets little notice because what's left of Mackenzie there I can fit into my office.
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3rd Stop: On the way home, a quick nine holes in the redwoods at Northwood in Monte Rio. An unknown Mackenzie gem that gets little notice.
It gets little notice because what's left of Mackenzie there I can fit into my office.
Is the routing the same?
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3rd Stop: On the way home, a quick nine holes in the redwoods at Northwood in Monte Rio. An unknown Mackenzie gem that gets little notice.
It gets little notice because what's left of Mackenzie there I can fit into my office.
Is the routing the same?
The routing is the same but the routing isn't really that interesting. The greensites have for the most part been altered. The course almost went fallow in the 60s and 70s and gradually they have shaped the place up but most Mackenzie features have been wiped away.
Still it is a different and interesting experience to play among redwoods-lined fairways that make Sahalee in Seattle look like the Old Course.
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,28333.0
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Can one say the same thing in regards to ANGC? Thanks for the thread. Wow, is that tight.
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I could be easily enticed to go to Cabo if the dates work.
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Let the California people have first dibs, they started it and should keep it unless they decide to give it up.
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OMFG, the cement baron of America's rust belt is sniveling because a couple worker bees on a rating panel got a cheaper rate to play Barona how long ago? Like during the Clinton Administration?
I'll tell you what, since Chief Runamuck and his tribal minions had the audacity to charge THE Gillette Silver to play golf, I'll sport your fees the first day before I smoke you like a doobie at a Dead Show.
Actually, I have never gotten a free anything using either my card when playing in KP - or any other event. If somebody did, that is pretty inappropriate. I'll try to get the fees cheap enough at Sea Ranch, but good gawd, full boat is only $65. Like they are going to bang you another $65 to play 36 if we bring a group? I think not.
Cabo - I have to admit - sounds fabulous. A parade of smokin' bikinis apres golf works too. But the weekend will still cost some serious jing with airfare.
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And David, I did not say Northwood is the 2nd coming of Crystal Downs, but the ambiance is unique and there is a touch more Mackenzie there than meets the eyes. Some of the grassed-in bunkers are obviously original given their orientation and placement.
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OMFG, the cement baron of America's rust belt is sniveling because a couple worker bees on a rating panel got a cheaper rate to play Barona how long ago? Like during the Clinton Administration?
I'll tell you what, since Chief Runamuck and his tribal minions had the audacity to charge THE Gillette Silver to play golf, I'll sport your fees the first day before I smoke you like a doobie at a Dead Show.
Actually, I have never gotten a free anything using either my card when playing in KP - or any other event. If somebody did, that is pretty inappropriate. I'll try to get the fees cheap enough at Sea Ranch, but good gawd, full boat is only $65. Like they are going to bang you another $65 to play 36 if we bring a group? I think not.
Cabo - I have to admit - sounds fabulous. A parade of smokin' bikinis apres golf works too. But the weekend will still cost some serious jing with airfare.
Still in. Especially if there is some SF golf front or back.
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Although Gib wrote up the suggestion very nicely, I don't like Bodega, Sea Ranch, or Northwood.
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Gib,
''The Other One's Gathering'' 8)
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Sad I could not make it this year. I would be in for Gib's proposal.
Another option for the March timeframe, which coincidentally is another weekend I missed out on this year, is Phoenix Arizona.
Wekopa
Talking Stick
and Spring Training too! I think there are night games so 36 holes and baseball could be had, but if that strays both geographically and spiritually from the KP I understand. Just a thought...
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Alex Miller
Sad I could not make it this year. I would be in for Gib's proposal.
Another option for the March timeframe, which coincidentally is another weekend I missed out on this year, is Phoenix Arizona.
Wekopa
Talking Stick
and Spring Training too! I think there are night games so 36 holes and baseball could be had, but if that strays both geographically and spiritually from the KP I understand. Just a thought...
The first year at Streamsong was wrapped around spring training. Zero attended to my knowledge
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While I was putting together the 2010 KP up in Tahoe, I received a number of private messages suggesting we set up tee times at Cypress Point Club and the San Francisco Golf Club instead. :D
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King Gib's Putter sounds good for middle to end of April weather wise in NoCal to be safe. Gib, do you think a round at Olympic might sweeten the draw for out of staters. ;D
Pete L., is Temecula a possibility for a warm inexpensive golf location near SD in Feb/March?
If the Tequilla Cup is renewed, I am in. Last one was great. CDS and Diamonte were awesome. Weather spectacular.
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While I was putting together the 2010 KP up in Tahoe, I received a number of private messages suggesting we set up tee times at Cypress Point Club and the San Francisco Golf Club instead. :D
I'm in if they comp raters! ;)
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Pete L., is Temecula a possibility for a warm inexpensive golf location near SD in Feb/March?
If you're looking for mediocre golf and some great examples of Ted Robinson's "dark side", Temecula is the place! Weather there should be great that time of year.
Tommy had a coniption when I jokingly suggested we have the KP at Redhawk!
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Mediocre is a good word to describe golf in Temecula. The Golf Club of Rancho California is a RTJ Sr design and is decent. There are 2 Art Hills designs Cross Creek and Journey at Pechanga. Journey is actually pretty good is you can get over the poor routing that has you taking a cart back and forth. Very pricey. Redhawak a Ron Freem design is mediocre but reasonably priced. Can't beat the weather though.
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While I was putting together the 2010 KP up in Tahoe, I received a number of private messages suggesting we set up tee times at Cypress Point Club and the San Francisco Golf Club instead. :D
And.....?
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How about Clear Creek Tahoe? It's across the California border in Nevada. Tom Ferrell the membership director there has invited the GCA before.
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How about Clear Creek Tahoe? It's across the California border in Nevada. Tom Ferrell the membership director there has invited the GCA before.
there is a walking event there July 21st if anyone is interested.
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Let the California people have first dibs, they started it and should keep it unless they decide to give it up.
Sorry to step on any California toes in proposing Cabo.
If the Tequilla Cup is renewed, I am in. Last one was great. CDS and Diamonte were awesome. Weather spectacular.
Separate from the KP, based on the feedback on Cabo, it sounds like there may be interest in a 2015 Tequilla Cup. Of course, I'll defer to Greg on that.
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One of the problems with the King's Putter in the past has been that there is a rate for raters and a rate for civilians. At Barona we even had to form separate lines at the counter. Now if we were all equals and the event was held at Cabo I would be in no matter who I had to play.
As a non-rater, I had no idea this was ever an issue at KP, and I've been to most. I did miss Barona so missed the scene you describe above.
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How about Clear Creek Tahoe? It's across the California border in Nevada. Tom Ferrell the membership director there has invited the GCA before.
Was done even more recently than Rustic Canyon.
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Bayonet and Blackhorse as the base. Throw in Pacific Grove, Pasatiempo, etc.
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Pete L., doesnt the redesigned La Costa have pretty good rates in Feb/March? 36 holes plus quite a few courses nearby. Maybe a stop by Del Mar to see the ponies.
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Pete L., doesnt the redesigned La Costa have pretty good rates in Feb/March? 36 holes plus quite a few courses nearby. Maybe a stop by Del Mar to see the ponies.
The rack rate in the spring is well over $200. GCA's own Jeff Brauer worked on both redesigns, perhaps he could help us out. Ponies run in Sept.
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Pete L., doesnt the redesigned La Costa have pretty good rates in Feb/March? 36 holes plus quite a few courses nearby. Maybe a stop by Del Mar to see the ponies.
It's $135 for either course. The race season at Del Mar is July to September.
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Pete L., doesnt the redesigned La Costa have pretty good rates in Feb/March? 36 holes plus quite a few courses nearby. Maybe a stop by Del Mar to see the ponies.
The rack rate in the spring is well over $200. GCA's own Jeff Brauer worked on both redesigns, perhaps he could help us out. Ponies run in Sept.
I must be wrong about the rates. The website is saying $135, but I may not be inputting the right info. In either case, it won't allow looking that far in the calendar. Be advised, Omni Resorts just took over. Even at $135, I think it's over priced.
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Pete L., doesnt the redesigned La Costa have pretty good rates in Feb/March? 36 holes plus quite a few courses nearby. Maybe a stop by Del Mar to see the ponies.
It's $135 for either course. The race season at Del Mar is July to September.
Ok, instead a road trip to San Clemente to see the R M Nixon museum and play golf where he did. 8)
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Pete L., doesnt the redesigned La Costa have pretty good rates in Feb/March? 36 holes plus quite a few courses nearby. Maybe a stop by Del Mar to see the ponies.
LPGA is there at the end of March if next year's schedule is the same.
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It would probably be helpful to know if it's Northern California's turn to host, or So Cal. But does D. King represent?
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It's probably Southern California's turn, based on the fact that Pete Lavallee is most knowledgeable esteemed captain.
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I was going to suggest the combination of Pacific Grove and Pebble Beach. Fort Ord would be more budget-conscious, if you can stand all the jagged bunker lines.
For Southern Cal, most of the courses of interest are private clubs, and I don't know who can pull strings at the less obvious possibilities -- Palos Verdes or Wilshire, for example. Jim Urbina always talked lovingly about Hacienda, but probably just because I have never been there. If price point is a real factor, why not go to Rancho Park?
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Well, Tacoma and Pierce County would certainly be considerd in the North! Last year was at San Louis Obispo, Morro Bay and Santa Maria, kinda South. I suspect it's the South's turn, but we are running out of intriguing and cost friendly venues. If a better offer comes from up North I'm all for it.
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I was going to suggest the combination of Pacific Grove and Pebble Beach. Fort Ord would be more budget-conscious, if you can stand all the jagged bunker lines.
We have done Pacific Grove in conjunction with Fort Ord a few years back; however the Bayonnet had the front nine modified and the original back nine with the cypress trees limbed up. I liked the old version much better. Black Horse was growing in.
For Southern Cal, most of the courses of interest are private clubs, and I don't know who can pull strings at the less obvious possibilities -- Palos Verdes or Wilshire, for example. Jim Urbina always talked lovingly about Hacienda, but probably just because I have never been there. If price point is a real factor, why not go to Rancho Park?
The Event is traditionally held on the weekend, which makes accessing private clubs difficult. Palos Verdes does allow outside play, but I paid $250 a few years back to play there. this was before Todd Eckenrodes restoration.
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I was going to suggest the combination of Pacific Grove and Pebble Beach. Fort Ord would be more budget-conscious, if you can stand all the jagged bunker lines.
For Southern Cal, most of the courses of interest are private clubs, and I don't know who can pull strings at the less obvious possibilities -- Palos Verdes or Wilshire, for example. Jim Urbina always talked lovingly about Hacienda, but probably just because I have never been there. If price point is a real factor, why not go to Rancho Park?
I can't imagine a bunch of GCAers ponying up to play Pebble. I certainly wouldn't; my last round there was for $65! ;D
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For the good of the group I'm glad it's back on in California. Regretfully for me it means that...I'm out.
Btw. I really like Shark Tank.
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How about a San Diego Indian reservation threesome? Pechanga(Journey), Barona and Sycuan(36 at Singing Hills). Those casino resorts have to have some room and golf packages. It could be called the Kings Putter Pow Wow.
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For the good of the group I'm glad it's back on in California. Regretfully for me it means that...I'm out.
Btw. I really like Shark Tank.
You're on the no fly to California list?
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Let's just say that it was time for me to move on and not look back. I had a great run and will always cherish those memories.
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While I was putting together the 2010 KP up in Tahoe, I received a number of private messages suggesting we set up tee times at Cypress Point Club and the San Francisco Golf Club instead. :D
And.....?
I'm guessing others quietly played them on their way to and from the KP.
"We're not worthy!" - Wayne Campbell and Garth Algar
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Poppy Hills and Pasa.
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Is it possible to get a group on Coronado? I like that Pow Wow suggestion, San Diego's always a cool town. Drinks at Jim Croce's.
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Weathers always perfect in SD.....could potentially dispell the notion that there's nothing worth traveling for in San Diego.....
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I was going to suggest the combination of Pacific Grove and Pebble Beach. Fort Ord would be more budget-conscious, if you can stand all the jagged bunker lines.
For Southern Cal, most of the courses of interest are private clubs, and I don't know who can pull strings at the less obvious possibilities -- Palos Verdes or Wilshire, for example. Jim Urbina always talked lovingly about Hacienda, but probably just because I have never been there. If price point is a real factor, why not go to Rancho Park?
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Also +1 to Pasa and Poppy
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Is it possible to get a group on Coronado? I like that Pow Wow suggestion, San Diego's always a cool town. Drinks at Jim Croce's.
The Coronado group is possible, but it would have to after 10:00 am, we don't have enough players to lock up the course.
Croce's, where my wife worked for 3 years has closed in the Gaslamp due to a lease dispute. They have opened a new place in Banker's Hill; haven't tried it yet.
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Do we have the cart before the horse? Where ever the venues, the event is always organizer driven.
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Do we have the cart before the horse? Where ever the venues, the event is always organizer driven.
"If you build it, they will come."
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Do we have the cart before the horse? Where ever the venues, the event is always organizer driven.
"If you build it, they will come."
Yes, all eight of em. Maybe if you had a Max's vs GCA you could get a better turnout. I am interested in why the KP series has failed while others have flourished.
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How about Clear Creek Tahoe? It's across the California border in Nevada. Tom Ferrell the membership director there has invited the GCA before.
Montreux is also in the area and quite a good Nicklaus track.
Also, love the Poppy + Pasa idea.
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Never mind.
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Pete L,
Book Barona and Coronado with an optional warm-up round at Maderas or Torrey Pines and call it the KP I Reunion. It will be impossible to replicate the magic of the original, but with some help, maybe a good number of the alumni could be persuaded to return. It is probably harsh to say, but the composition of the field is probably more important than the venues, and an easy location such as SD would help in this regard. The Rustic Canyon/LA and the Carmel/PB options could work, but a return to where it all began is probably best. Besides, 13+ years later, you're probably in a good place on the home brewery learning curve and are definitely the man to get this rolling.
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I attended the first gathering at Barona and several others. It seemed a good idea at the time, like minded guys who like to discuss architecture, playing a course(s) with some architectural merit and discussing it at night. Naturally testosterone was never far away and so the North/South match play was fun. The North seemed to think the South was no match for the Northern guns of Benham and others. Perhaps that had some merit.
Then the North/South of California thingy was done away with to allow others to play. Fine. Then, with California's limitations architecturally, sites were played that had little architectural merit. Okay so now, no competition geographically, and nothing to examine and learn from design wise. That was it for me.
I think I can be a bit blunt because I no longer live in that part of the country and am not a candidate to play Coronado, where trees keep the balls from going into the bay and blocking some otherwise nice views.
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Maybe if all GCA attendees put in change of address notices to Pete L's then we could play Torrey Pines North & South for the resident's rate. 8)
Actually I would be happy to play anywhere in SD, Palm Springs or AZ in Feb. or March.
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It wouldn't be hard to put together a Las Vegas outing with Southern Highlands, DragonRidge, and South Shore. Pacific Links owns all three, and has put significant money in getting South Shore back in very good shape. I've lived here in the area for over 30 years; post game entertainment is quite diverse.
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It's been a while since I've been on this discussion group. I can hardly believe that I eventually remembered my password.
But, if the tournament returned to Pasatiempo, that would be tantalizing.
Carlyle
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It wouldn't be hard to put together a Las Vegas outing with Southern Highlands, DragonRidge, and South Shore. Pacific Links owns all three, and has put significant money in getting South Shore back in very good shape. I've lived here in the area for over 30 years; post game entertainment is quite diverse.
How is the weather in Vegas in Feb/March? KP in Vegas baby, you are so money!
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It's been a while since I've been on this discussion group. I can hardly believe that I eventually remembered my password.
But, if the tournament returned to Pasatiempo, that would be tantalizing.
Carlyle
Carlyle, I have no idea where it is, but you are in the 2004 team photo. Those were the days!
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It wouldn't be hard to put together a Las Vegas outing with Southern Highlands, DragonRidge, and South Shore. Pacific Links owns all three, and has put significant money in getting South Shore back in very good shape. I've lived here in the area for over 30 years; post game entertainment is quite diverse.
How is the weather in Vegas in Feb/March? KP in Vegas baby, you are so money!
Anybody else interested in the Vegas KP? Maybe splurge and throw in a round at Shadow Creek before or after. 8)
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Tim,
Here is info to address your earlier question about Vegas temperatures:
Average high/low temps for the months are
February 63/34
March 69/39
April 78/44
March is a huge month because of March Madness. On the first two weekends of the NCAA men's basketball tournament, courses are very busy. April is a great month---warmer temps and less potential for high winds.
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any planning activity since early June?
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What about Wine Valley? We could also play Gamble Sands or Palouse Ridge?
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What about Wine Valley? We could also play Gamble Sands or Palouse Ridge?
we are trying to take it back to California. I was asking if anyone there has accepted planning.
Anyway Gamble Sands is nearly four hours from Wine Valley by car.
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The bottom line is that there doesn't seem to be any new venues which would stimulate significant participation in So Cal. We could return to a previous venue, but again that would stiffle participation. Now if our GCA'ers from LACC would offer their humble courses as a possibility, I'm sure we would be turning participants away!
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I still like the Vegas idea. Torrey Pines would be great or La Costa. Any connections to LACC or Riviera would be off the charts.
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Pete, believe it or not, Marine Memorial might be a good supplemental course if San Diego is the settled upon destination. The course has been in great shape as of late. New irrigation and the greens have been running around 11 recently.
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I need a good reason to return to SoCal. San Diego or L.A. would do. Get Huck and Gib to round up the NoCal crew- make Mr. Huntley captain with whatever playing duties he wishes to assume- and I'd bet we get a good attendance. The inaugural KP was fantastic, perhaps setting expectations too unreasonably high for those that followed.
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The original idea of the KP was NorCal vs. SoCal with alternating host locales. The past several events have been kind of scattered and the regionality of it has been lost. That's not a bad thing at all because major props to anyone volunteering to take charge and set something up. Not complaining.
But strictly from the calendar view, it is SoCal's turn.
I've often pondered the idea of doing it in AZ. Problem is that the March-April timeframe is dead in the middle of high tourist season where golf and hotel rates are at a peak. Pushing it into May gets better rates but increasingly high temperatures.
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We do have a very interesting option here in SD, play Torrey Pines North before Phil blows it up the day after the Farmers. The redesign is scheduled to start the day after the Tournament. On the plus side:
We play what may be William Francis Bell's best remaining work before it goes under the knife.
We can return in few years when the redesign is properly grown in; spirited discussion could break out amongst those who have played both iterations.
On the negative side:
We can schedule Tournaments 4 months in advance for a group as small a 16 players. We can't back down the number of players once we commit, that could be tough with this group as last minute cancellations are commonplace.
The out of town rate on the North is $100 on the weekend, so that would be the minimum fee.
The Farmers is Feb. 5-8 this year. The courses close two weeks in advance so we would need to play there mid Jan.
The rough will be up for the Tournament, so you better be able to hit a 22 yard wide fairway or things could get ugly!
This could be combined this with rounds at Barona Creek and Marine Memorial or possibly Coronado or Balboa.
This would be more geared towards architectural interest rather than belt notching; beard pullers unite!
Any interest in this format?
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Pete, I played the Navy's Admiral Baker course in the '60's when I was on active duty there. I remember, quite vaguely, some interesting holes. What's it like, is it accessible? I love the idea of playing Balboa which I never have.
What about the Singing Hills courses? Pretty far away from the ocean. Is LaJolla not an option? I know you have great clout in San Diego!
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Pete,
That works for my schedule. We just play the emergency lateral hazard rule at TP-N.
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The canyons are always played as laterals during casual play.
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The canyons are always played as laterals during casual play.
I remember Phil being pissed off that somebody found his tee ball in one if those canyons.
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Pete,
I sense that January might be too early for those whose work is particularly important in the first month of the year. I am not that big of a fan of TP-N, so playing it is not a big priority. Nevertheless, if that is what we want to do, I can probably make it if we can set the dates soon.
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I'd love to come on out and help defend the Putter, but January would definitely be tough for me. I'd lend my support from a few thousand miles away though.
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Any organizer yet? The constant turnover in gca.com participants and lurkers shouldn't preclude a return to past venues.
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Had a conversation last night with a crusty old soul about Northwood, which led me here.
Any updates? As a newly minted pacific rim resident, the KP is in and the MWM is out.
Ain't no party like a west coast party.
Sven
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Also, could someone rattle off the locations by year from past KP's?
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2002 Barona Creek
2003 Pasatiempo, Pajaro Valley
2004 Rustic Canyon
2005 Stevenson's Ranch
2006 no KP
2007 Pacific Grove, Bayonet, MPCC
2008 Soule Park, Rustic Canyon, Sherwood CC
2009 Clear Creek, Coyote Moon, Timlick, Grays Crossing, Old Greenwood
2010 Stone Eagle, Plantation, Palms
2011 Bandon
2012 Sagebrush, Marine Drive
2013 St Loius Obispo, Dairy Creek, Morro Bay, Monarch Dunes, Santa Maria CC
2014 Gold Mountain, Chambers Bay, Home Course
2015 undecided
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2002 Barona Creek
2003 Pasatiempo, Pajaro Valley
2004 Rustic Canyon
2005 Stevenson's Ranch
2006 no KP
2007 Pacific Grove, Bayonet, MPCC
2008 Soule Park, Rustic Canyon
2009 Clear Creek, Coyote Moon, Timlick, Grays Crossing, Old Greenwood
2010 Stone Eagle, Plantation, Palms
2011 Bandon
2012 Sagebrush, Marine Drive
2013 St Loius Obispo, Dairy Creek, Morro Bay, Monarch Dunes, Santa Maria CC
2014 Gold Mountain, Chambers Bay, Home Course
2015 undecided
Stone Eagle, etc was in 2006. Clear Creek was in 2010. But yeah.
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2009 was Santa Anita, Soule Park, Rustic Canyon and Sherwood CC.
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FWIW, a return to Barona for 2015 would be cool. It's been a while.
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so many indians, so few chiefs
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I'm sitting here by the fire (Indian style) up in the snowy mountains of Idaho. Any venue looks appealing to me. Not currently a Californian, but my 20 years in LA seems like enough to give me sub status. Plus, I've got kids in San Francisco, so I don't mind playing for either team. If we just had a game.
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A few years ago the Kings Putter seemed to be losing momentum so I jumped in and organized a great KP at Bandon. Bob Jenkibs followed that with a visit to Sagebrush and Vancouver. Maybe that's the future of the KP, outside California but in the West, at interesting venues. While I would love to see Barona and always welcome a visit to Pasatiempo, there might be other good destinations. As always it just takes someone to step up and take charge.
By contrast the Dixie Cup in the fall has had a consistent core of organizers and a lot of potential locations for future events.
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It would have been nice if, when some people suggested venues (such as Sea Ranch/Bodega, or Torrey Pines North), they didn't get so much buzzkill.
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It would have been nice if, when some people suggested venues (such as Sea Ranch/Bodega, or Torrey Pines North), they didn't get so much buzzkill.
If I recall correctly, there was some positive responses, "I'm in," to Gib's proposal. Perhaps it's worthy of more discussion.
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Doubful I can attend this year, but there are lots of decent public options in the Sacramento/Sierra foothills region that could make for a good KP. April or May timeframe would work well weather wise. If anyone is jnterested in seeing Darkhorse, Morgan Creek, and maybe a few others in the region, I would be happy to share some of the gruntwork.
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I liked the sound of Gib's trip, with the possibility of throwing in Aetna Springs. Adding in wine country might be a recipe for disaster, however.
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so many indians, so few chiefs
Offer was made then shouted down.
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so many indians, so few chiefs
Offer was made then shouted down.
Your offer didn't include comps.
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so many indians, so few chiefs
Offer was made then shouted down.
Your offer didn't include comps.
2 Shea
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Never understand the low "love" level for Cabo get togethers ???
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Never understand the low "love" level for Cabo get togethers ???
But it's "Mexico" Michael.
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Great golf, great food, great lodging alternatives for every budget, reasonable airfares and above all great weather.
Golfing heaven to me.
A KP during the summer time would also mean half empty golf courses for as many emergency nines as you could possible want to play!!!!
Pretty sures most venues in Cabo would allow replay at very nominal fees n'est pas?
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Great golf, great food, great lodging alternatives for every budget, reasonable airfares and above all great weather.
Golfing heaven to me.
A KP during the summer time would also mean half empty golf courses for as many emergency nines as you could possible want to play!!!!
Pretty sures most venues in Cabo would allow replay at very nominal fees n'est pas?
You could build it around the weather guaranteed package we offer with the Sheraton Hacienda del Mar for less than $1000 per person. the package includes unlimited golf here at CDS and we could make side trips to the other desirable facilities.
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Perfect, I am in... ;D
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Perfect, I am in... ;D
Looks like you and I are it. 2nd place all locked up, I like it.
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Great golf, great food, great lodging alternatives for every budget, reasonable airfares and above all great weather.
Golfing heaven to me.
A KP during the summer time would also mean half empty golf courses for as many emergency nines as you could possible want to play!!!!
Pretty sures most venues in Cabo would allow replay at very nominal fees n'est pas?
You could build it around the weather guaranteed package we offer with the Sheraton Hacienda del Mar for less than $1000 per person. the package includes unlimited golf here at CDS and we could make side trips to the other desirable facilities.
My understanding is that part of the motivation for KP was to include site members that didn't have the dosh to play some of the big time courses. E.g., my first KP I stayed two nights at a Motel 6, and played four rounds of golf for under $50 each. So perhaps if you get your offer to under $300 per person with four rounds and two nights, I might consider it. ;)
That said, the KP at SLO failed to attract much of a crowd, reportedly because the golf venues were too common.
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GJ.I understand, just giving everybody a hard time and giving my plug to a market that needs help at the moment and is very deserved of mentioning.
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That said, the KP at SLO failed to attract much of a crowd, reportedly because the golf venues were too common.
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Not arguing for any specific plan, but just mentioning that it was a bigger crowd than the Tahoe KP, which had better courses. Perhaps because of the central (to CA) location of the central coast.
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Great golf, great food, great lodging alternatives for every budget, reasonable airfares and above all great weather.
Golfing heaven to me.
A KP during the summer time would also mean half empty golf courses for as many emergency nines as you could possible want to play!!!!
Pretty sures most venues in Cabo would allow replay at very nominal fees n'est pas?
I will second that and would certainly try to attend a KP at Cabo.
The place is absolutely gorgeous, the food to die for, and the quality of the golf speaks for itself.
I noticed that air fares have really taken a dip of late, some real bargains to be had and a trip like this could probably come in cheaper or comparable to anything else in the west.
If safety is an issue, don't believe what you hear on the media. Everytime I bring up Mexico to friends, you get the typical response about shootings, drug cartels, and armed guerillas. People really buy into this silliness. I have been to Mexico over 20 times, never had an incident. Of course there is crime . If you are looking for trouble, you can certainly find it, and if you are flashing your money and wearing expensive jewelry, well that is not too smart wherever you go. What is going on in Chicago and the other big cities?. How many days do we hear about 5-10 shootings a day in some of these urban centers?. I would worry about my safety a whole lot more in Sacremento, or LA, or even Vancouver, then I would in Mexicio.
Good luck with the KP! You guys could do no better than considering Cabo!
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Amen Eric.
NEVER ever been concerned with safety, eat in the town every time I go, never a hint of trouble.
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The reason I vacation in Nebraska is that everything that gets shot gets eaten.
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The reason I vacation in Nebraska is that everything that gets shot gets eaten.
Then you'd love a vacation in the South, where everything that gets shot or run over gets eaten.
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Perfect, I am in... ;D
Looks like you and I are it. 2nd place all locked up, I like it.
I might be interested, if a KP doesn't materialize in California and I have a clear schedule. The last hot venue we had was Palm Springs at the beginning of a June. Lows were in the 100s and 36 a day proved to much, even with stellar venues.
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R.I.P.?
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R.I.P.?
How about a King's putter at Reserve Vineyards and Pumpkin Ridge?
You're in charge. ;D
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Please don't put Garland in my group - and we certainly cannot endure a roommate situation. Sadly, my involuntary streak of blue has recently been diagnosed as Tequila Tourettes, a rare and incurable condition guaranteed to scorch the ears of such a delicate flower. ;)
I still want Barny's ass mano-a-mano - and whoever gets closed out has to finish the round naked. ;D