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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: Jud_T on December 03, 2013, 05:22:22 PM
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As resident buttboy and a kid who used to tabulate baseball statistics in a notebook from the sunday paper before every stat available to man was on an app, I can't wait for the new Confidential Guides to come out. For those familiar with the original, and those simply curious, what are you most intrigued to see in the book? And while we know that certain courses may move up a notch due to sensitive restorations and tree clearing programs, what have the intervening years done to Tom's perspective on certain courses, or his preferences? Furthermore, what is the elusive new methodology that will allow him to rank all his own and his contemporaries' courses yet maintain his previously iconoclastic views without having him hung in effigy throughout the land? List your own thoughts and questions, even if Tom is unwilling to answer them until the book is published. Here's my starter list:
1. Will the Old Course go down to a 9 from a 10 due to the recent Hawtree work?
2. Will University of Michigan go from a 3 to a 5?
3. How will he rate the work of Mike Strantz?
4. Which will be higher, Lost Dunes or Old Mac?
5. Will Shadow Creek go from a 9 to an 8 as it's novelty and audacity has worn off?
6. Will Lawsonia finally get the 7 it deserves?
7. What hidden gems have been uncovered since the last guide?
8. Will Desert Highlands still be an 8?
9. How will Kingsley be rated and reviewed?
10. How will he address the overweening conditioning and cost that has burdened the game in the intervening years?
11. How will he handle Medinah #3, Dismal 1 and Forest Dunes?
12. What courses will make the biggest move up and the biggest move down?
13. How many Langfords has he visited or revisited?
14. How does the 2013 perspective color his view of Pete Dye, Jack Nicklaus, Tom Fazio and RTJ?
15. What does he make of Sean Arble's favorites?
16. How will be rate Trump Aberdeen?
Talk amongst yourselves...
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When is it being released?
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Pat,
I think it's a series of books based on region with the first installment (GB&I?) possibly coming out next summer.
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Will the 31 Flavors be replaced with Ben & Jerry's style puns?
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1. Will the Old Course go down to a 9 from a 10 due to the recent Hawtree work? NO
2. Will University of Michigan go from a 3 to a 5? NO
3. How will he rate the work of Mike Strantz? Doak will take the midddle road - think 5-6 range
4. Which will be higher, Lost Dunes or Old Mac? Not a clue
5. Will Shadow Creek go from a 9 to an 8 as it's novelty and audacity has worn off? I doubt it
6. Will Lawsonia finally get the 7 it deserves? NO
7. What hidden gems have been uncovered since the last guide? Not a clue
8. Will Desert Highlands still be an 8? I expect so
9. How will Kingsley be rated and reviewed? The review will be even handed - 7
10. How will he address the overweening conditioning and cost that has burdened the game in the intervening years? Is this the remit of the CF?
11. How will he handle Medinah #3, Dismal 1 and Forest Dunes? Doak handles things - no issue
12. What courses will make the biggest move up and the biggest move down? Very little movement either way
13. How many Langfords has he visited or revisited? Not a clue
14. How does the 2013 perspective color his view of Pete Dye, Jack Nicklaus, Tom Fazio and RTJ? Likely not much different from his 1993 perspective
15. What does he make of Sean Arble's favorites? I think as many as seven may make the book so not bad ratings, but no real stars. We didn't speak on the issue, but I will take a stab at it :o
Delamere 5
Whittington Heath 4
Harborne 4
Edgbaston 4
Beau Desert 5
Kington 5
Perranporth 5
Yelverton 4
Stoneham 6
Hockley 3
Huntercombe 5
16. How will be rate Trump Aberdeen? 7
Ciao
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I'm just looking forward to reading whatever he writes. Will be interesting to see how Old Tom's views differ from Young Tom's, not so much in any numbers but in general perspective. Also looking forward to the gazetteer (hope there is one), to any new writeups in Gourmet's Choice, and to new entries in Asia.
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I am interested to see how he handles is own courses. I think there are 2? in the old and he handled them pretty honestly I thought. But they all can't be 10s can they? ;D
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How about a special preview price for GCA members?
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Will Rosehearty be included?
ATB
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Jud:
I will be happy to answer these questions and more, but it will take me a couple of days to get to it -- I've got my hands full in China for two more days, and then I'll be at Royal Melbourne on the weekend to try and sort out their questions. Hopefully after that, things settle down a little bit for me.
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Jud:
I will be happy to answer these questions and more, but it will take me a couple of days to get to it -- I've got my hands full in China for two more days, and then I'll be at Royal Melbourne on the weekend to try and sort out their questions. Hopefully after that, things settle down a little bit for me.
But isn't part of the fun the suspense? ;D I may stay off this thread for a while.
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Delamere 5
Whittington Heath 4
Harborne 4
Edgbaston 4
Beau Desert 5
Kington 5
Perranporth 5
Yelverton 4
Stoneham 6
Hockley 3
Huntercombe 5
If Stoneham's a level up from Beau Desert then I guess I need to get along there pretty pronto as BD is damn good!
ATB
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Did Spring Valley make the cut?
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Has anyone seen the redo of Desert Forest? How will its ranking change?
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Jim -
I'll start a post on the Desert Forest renovation. I've watched the entire project, and will play when we open this weekend. In short, I don't think that the changes will affect the course rating or slope much either way. It was rated recently but that may change once there has been some play for about 6 months. The course looks much wider (looks are deceiving...) and the vistas are much more open as a result of the tree removal. The Golf Digest raters should like the changes because of the added length. I'm not sure how the Golfweek raters will view the changes but Brad Klein has been involved through the process, so hopefully they'll see it as a sympathetic renovation.
Dave
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Tom,
I also wonder how your early work will be reviewed? Maybe some encouraging words about Riverfront that might generate some curiousity for those on the east coast?
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Jud: Here is half your starter list. That's as much as I have time for now.
1. Will the Old Course go down to a 9 from a 10 due to the recent Hawtree work?
No.
2. Will University of Michigan go from a 3 to a 5?
Did I really give it a 3? That was pretty harsh. Was that before or after the Arthur Hills renovation? It will do better now.
3. How will he rate the work of Mike Strantz?
His best work probably rates a 7 on my scale. I haven't finalized those grades yet, because I have not yet gotten to the U.S. courses, which will be in a subsequent volume.
4. Which will be higher, Lost Dunes or Old Mac?
Probably Old Macdonald, although they might rate the same.
5. Will Shadow Creek go from a 9 to an 8 as it's novelty and audacity has worn off?
Probably not. I have not been back to play it again, and I'm trying not to change my opinion of a course unless I have gone back to see it again. I may make a few exceptions to that rule, based on a changing landscape of golf courses, and it's possible that a place like Shadow Creek might be one of those changes. But I still think of it as novel and audacious.
6. Will Lawsonia finally get the 7 it deserves?
I haven't been back there. Perhaps I'll have reason to be in Wisconsin next summer. Perhaps not.
7. What hidden gems have been uncovered since the last guide?
Lots of them. But if I list them here and now, they'll be disqualified as hidden. Most of them have been discussed on Golf Club Atlas at some point.
8. Will Desert Highlands still be an 8?
See #5, above.
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A few more questions to Mr. Doak:
- Do you have any plans to come to Russia and rate our courses?
- What about other less known golf countries: Turkey, Morocco, Finland?
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A few more questions to Mr. Doak:
- Do you have any plans to come to Russia and rate our courses?
- What about other less known golf countries: Turkey, Morocco, Finland?
Ivan:
I've got 2-3 more years to think about those places, before the volume that covers Europe and Africa is on the docket. I will probably get to some of the places you mention, but probably not all of them.
Fortunately, a couple of my collaborators have already gotten there.
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What will be the areas covered in each volume and what will be the order of release?
Ciao
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I know the GB&I volume comes out next year... I probably missed what format... Hopefully a real hold in your hand copy?
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Fortunately, a couple of my collaborators have already gotten there.
Might have been mentioned in another thread, but I haven't seen it. Who will be your collaborators?
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2. Will University of Michigan go from a 3 to a 5?
Did I really give it a 3? That was pretty harsh. Was that before or after the Arthur Hills renovation? It will do better now.
My bad- you already addressed this in the later edition:
"5....It's also a much better layout than I had noticed in my first walk-through, on which I missed several of the early holes due to fading light."
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Jud
I would hope UofM would move to the 7.4-8 range. The changes they are making are very wise and it is in good hands. The course as of now is in my personal top 5. I have been meaning to get with one of the starters who has been there for 60 years and knows the course history very well. I hope to have a review to post of UofM next year. The 18th hole had a creek in front of the green in the original design, it is now a pond due to run off water from Main St. Hopefully the University can purchase some of the land of the outing course next door to build a range. They refuse to sell.
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How will the gazetteer and Gourmet's Choice sections be handled given multiple volumes?
Can we have scores using original and better version of the Doak Scale on China courses, if not in the book then on here at some point, for travel decision-making purposes? I would guess those won't change anyone's decisions whether to travel from Oz or USA and but for someone already in a particular PRC city, or in PRC with a weekend to kill, it would help to know how far a course is worth traveling to play.
Re the U Michigan course: is there a more exciting place to play in the USA than during a home game in the Big House?
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What is a 7.4?
For me, UofM was Doak's biggest whiff. I reckon its a solid 6 the way it is now. Its a better design than most of the Detroit clubs, but suffers a bit because of poor maintenance.
Ciao
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7.4 was ambiguous curve ball, just to throw you off (haha). I reckon it is a 7+. I think the Maint. is improving and they need to re-grass the greens! The need to fix the drainage issues on the course! We differ for I try and separate maint issues from design. Metro Detroit has a great collection of well designed tracks! Also i need to see what A Hills did to UofM so I can see what Mr Doak is saying. I don't have any confidential design book(s), but i really have learned a lot from ''Anatomy of A Golf Course". Sean, I believe with American great designs you have to look at the ''bones'' of a course with so many courses being altered from their original design. You stated in an earlier post that you didn't like the collars around UofM and I don't know if you meant grass uniformity? Anyway you can PM about UM, cause i don't want to get off topic on this post
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Fortunately, a couple of my collaborators have already gotten there.
Might have been mentioned in another thread, but I haven't seen it. Who will be your collaborators?
Ruediger:
I've been keeping that information close to the vest, but since I put it in my Christmas letter, I might as well post it here, too.
I decided two years ago that if I was going to do a new edition of the book, the only way for it to be thorough and include a fair share of courses in places I've traveled less [or where there are lots of new courses in the past few years] was to enlist some help. After some consideration, I asked three friends if they would participate: Masa Nishijima from Japan, Darius Oliver from Australia, and Ran Morrissett. All three accepted.
So, for the next edition of The Confidential Guide, each course reviewed will have anywhere from one to FOUR Doak scale grades, from each of us who have seen the course: for example:
7 8 8 6 for Deal [that's my vote first, then Morrissett, Nishijima and Oliver], or
- 8 - - if only Ran had seen it.
I think this is much better than decimals!
The book is still written and presented in my voice, but everyone has read my reviews, added their own comments for me to incorporate [if I wanted to], and provided their own reviews of courses I hadn't seen [which I've edited in turn].
Between the four of us, we have covered 2,300 courses, and counting. [I saw 49 courses for the first time in 2013, 32 of which had yet to be reviewed by any of the four os us.] The first volume, covering Great Britain & Ireland, will be the smallest as it includes only about 300 courses ... but there aren't many 2's and 3's among them.
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Thank you Tom,
perfect choices IMO to broaden the perspective and the number of courses. Looking very much forward to the first edition
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This sounds like a pretty good methodology at first blush. It will be interesting to see if there's any consistent bias in terms of preferences or grade inflation. This wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, if for instance through experience one ends up gravitating more toward the same preferences as say Darius or if, for example, it turns out that Ran typically grades a touch higher on average than Tom. This would be very useful info going forward when planning a trip and would likely yield a much higher hit ratio than just chasing a compilation list from one of the rags. It also, as mentioned, allows for a lot more courses to be covered as the really interesting bits to some of us who are over our Blue Period of Bedpost Notching and Post-Modern Access Whoring phase are finding those hidden gem 4s, 5s and 6s that can be enlightening, a ton of fun and frequently provide a lot more bang for the buck.
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Fortunately, a couple of my collaborators have already gotten there.
Might have been mentioned in another thread, but I haven't seen it. Who will be your collaborators?
Ruediger:
I've been keeping that information close to the vest, but since I put it in my Christmas letter, I might as well post it here, too.
I decided two years ago that if I was going to do a new edition of the book, the only way for it to be thorough and include a fair share of courses in places I've traveled less [or where there are lots of new courses in the past few years] was to enlist some help. After some consideration, I asked three friends if they would participate: Masa Nishijima from Japan, Darius Oliver from Australia, and Ran Morrissett. All three accepted.
So, for the next edition of The Confidential Guide, each course reviewed will have anywhere from one to FOUR Doak scale grades, from each of us who have seen the course: for example:
7 8 8 6 for Deal [that's my vote first, then Morrissett, Nishijima and Oliver], or
- 8 - - if only Ran had seen it.
I think this is much better than decimals!
The book is still written and presented in my voice, but everyone has read my reviews, added their own comments for me to incorporate [if I wanted to], and provided their own reviews of courses I hadn't seen [which I've edited in turn].
Between the four of us, we have covered 2,300 courses, and counting. [I saw 49 courses for the first time in 2013, 32 of which had yet to be reviewed by any of the four os us.] The first volume, covering Great Britain & Ireland, will be the smallest as it includes only about 300 courses ... but there aren't many 2's and 3's among them.
That's a great idea Tom - I wonder if that's how you dealt with the issue of rating your own courses. As in you have - 9 9 8 or something like that rather than trying to give your own course ratings for places.
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That's a great idea Tom - I wonder if that's how you dealt with the issue of rating your own courses. As in you have - 9 9 8 or something like that rather than trying to give your own course ratings for places.
Michael:
I am still leaning toward submitting a rating for each of my own courses, but won't decide for sure until press time. The only course of mine in the Volume 1 is The Renaissance Club, and I'm the only one who has seen it with the new holes.
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I can't wait for the new confidential guide. I'll be especially interested in a couple of things.
1) Tom's take on C&C's overall body of work. Specifically what the gourmet choice is going to be for C&C, in addition to stack ranking C&C's work. Will Sand Hills still be the C&C gourmet choice, or might it be something else?
2) I'll be especially interested in how Tom stack ranks his own courses. Where will Streamsong, Dismal Red and Rock Creek fit in relation to Tom's other work on the Doak Scale?
3) Tom's take on a number of courses that have undergone some amount of modification by his team, and whether he has changed his opinion/Doak rating for any of them.
Tom - when do you think we will see the U.S. version of the new confidential guide?
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Tom - when do you think we will see the U.S. version of the new confidential guide?
Barry:
At present I'm thinking the Americas version [including Canada, the Caribbean, Central America and South America] will comprise two books - volumes 2 and 3.
The anticipated release date for volume 1 is June 1, 2014.
Volume 2 will most likely be the around the same time in 2015. Volume 3 might follow more closely after that - say, in December 2015. But to some degree it depends on how busy I am with my day job.
There is also likely to be an online edition available at some point before then, but I haven't even begun to figure that out yet.
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So with Masa and Darius part of the team I am guessing that volume 4 will be Asia/Australia. So that leaves continental Europe for, what, volume 5 in 2018? :)
Ulrich
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I'm hoping to see some twists in the new books not seen in the original. The 31 flavors was good at the time but now its not much of a secret what is great? My guess is a few fall off and new courses that are added make some headlines but its not earthshaking.
I would like to see the panels thoughts on the best restorations over the last 20 years and what courses need to be restored.
Regardless this is one of the most highly anticipated golf books in many years and shock waves are destined to be heard.
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So with Masa and Darius part of the team I am guessing that volume 4 will be Asia/Australia. So that leaves continental Europe for, what, volume 5 in 2018? :)
Ulrich
Ulrich:
I've been thinking the other way around, but it really depends on where I spend the most time in the next 3 years - Asia and Australia or Europe and Africa?
My wife is rooting for Europe.
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Tom,
From reading what you have told us about the update, I'm interpreting that there will not be an internet portal offered from which updates will be made to courses as new ones come online, closures/significant renovations occur, etc.
Was that investigated? If so, did it prove unworkable, or were there other reasons for that decision.
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I really hope a Kindle edition will be offered as well. This is one of the very few books that I'd really like to have in both formats. It'd be great to have on your iPad or iPhone to reference while traveling and changing plans on the fly, or simply to reread after a long day of golf. How about a bundle price if you buy both?
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Tom - if you could put it in a nutshell (and if, of course, you even think in these terms): who was your intended audience with the first major edition of the guide, and who is your intended audience now?
Thanks
Peter
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Tom - if you could put it in a nutshell (and if, of course, you even think in these terms): who was your intended audience with the first major edition of the guide, and who is your intended audience now?
Thanks
Peter
Pietro
Excellent question which drills to the heart of the matter.
Ciao
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Tom -
If the title remains the same, will that be the logical perpetuation of a luxury brand or an ironic wink towards your famous and electronically gregarious persona?
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Tom - if you could put it in a nutshell (and if, of course, you even think in these terms): who was your intended audience with the first major edition of the guide, and who is your intended audience now?
Thanks
Peter
Peter:
The audience for the original edition of the book -- the 40 copies -- was my well-traveled friends in golf. People sometimes say they are writing "what they would tell their friends," but that's exactly what The Confidential Guide was to start with. That's why it was no-holds-barred. Had I been writing for a large audience, I could never have been quite so blunt.
That's still the primary audience today -- people who love golf and love to travel. The people who have the most problems with the book are the ones who don't travel much, and who think it's irrelevant that one course is too similar to another; but if you don't want to travel then why would you read a book about courses in other places?
Generally, I've taken guidance from that quote of Harvey Penick's -- "if you play golf, you're my friend." So my advice on courses worth playing is the same for everyone as it is for my friends.
Regarding the questions about other formats: we'll have to wait and see. I do hope to pursue a web site / internet portal by which the book can be updated continually, that will be available by subscription [or free to those who buy the full set of books]. That would also have the advantage of being accessible when you're traveling, which I think is important. A Kindle version is another option, but I don't know how difficult that is to set up, and I think my royalty agreements are a little different from the norm for Amazon ;)
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How about an App? You type in a City, State or Country and voila, the latest reviews for that area pop up.
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That's still the primary audience today -- people who love golf and love to travel. The people who have the most problems with the book are the ones who don't travel much, and who think it's irrelevant that one course is too similar to another; but if you don't want to travel then why would you read a book about courses in other places?
For the same reason travel-logs and travel TV shows are so popular: so people who may never visit these places in person can still get a sense of what they are about. Do the golf magazines only appeal to golf travelers? I very much doubt it. Yet the major ones all feature golf ratings, including (frequently) global ones.
I most likely will never play the courses you review. But I am definitely interested in the new CG. My guess is your market is anyone who likes/loves golf courses. Whether or not they can travel.
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I was about to write the same thing, Jim.
When Tom answered, I thought to myself: well, I very much look forward to buying a copy, but much more for the information AS information and insights AS insights than as a guide to my travel or destinations choices.
For me there is intrinisc value in (and pleasure to be derived from) expert practitioners sharing their expertise in an accesible manner, whether the field is gca or physics or religion or music.
I'm going to buy the Guide simply to "know".
Peter
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It will be interesting to see how the book is 'rated' when it's published! Will there be a GCA Discussion Board rating panel? How many stars will website etc reviewers give it? Will it perhaps be reviewed by four individuals under the code - - - - with a rating number instead of the - to signify which individual has assigned which rating?
Just having a mischievous chuckle :)
Looking forward to reading it - although maybe not the sections about Beau Desert and Perranporth :)
All the best
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7 8 8 6 for Deal [that's my vote first, then Morrissett, Nishijima and Oliver], or
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Decimals have finally made it into the Doak Scale. Deal gets a 7.25! ;D
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How about an App? You type in a City, State or Country and voila, the latest reviews for that area pop up.
At this point, Jud, you're out of control.
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8) does the CG morph into conde nast territory?
(http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/331107/slide_331107_3269854_free.jpg)
hope not..
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How about an App? You type in a City, State or Country and voila, the latest reviews for that area pop up.
At this point, Jud, you're out of control.
Check out the new Robert Parker app for subscribers then we'll talk.
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I know a few of you saw previews of the first volume at The Renaissance Cup...
Will it be on the shelves for Christmas?
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I think we were told September.
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Sorry if this has been covered, but is there a publisher...or is Tom Doak self-publishing?
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The only time I've had my hands on an Old Confidential Guide was in a bookstore (remember those?) in California ~12 years ago. There were 7-8 or them sitting pristine on an upper shelf, and after browsing one of them for those courses I knew well and deciding that $20 was too much to pay to go further, I went back to reading the Sunday Times. I coulda been a gazillionaire.....
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If I don't immediately buy a copy of the New Confidential Guide, will I be asked to leave GCA?
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If I don't immediately buy a copy of the New Confidential Guide, will I be asked to leave GCA?
Not if you don't tell anybody, Brian.
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The only time I've had my hands on an Old Confidential Guide was in a bookstore (remember those?) in California ~12 years ago. There were 7-8 or them sitting pristine on an upper shelf, and after browsing one of them for those courses I knew well and deciding that $20 was too much to pay to go further, I went back to reading the Sunday Times. I coulda been a gazillionaire.....
Rich, it was the same for me. A Borders (or was it Barnes & Noble?) on University Ave in Palo Alto around 1996 or so. They had a few in stock, and I just put it back on the shelf.
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Sorry if this has been covered, but is there a publisher...or is Tom Doak self-publishing?
It's being published by Renaissance Golf Publishing.
The book goes to the printer next week. I will start taking pre-orders in a month or so. I expect to have books ready for delivery right around the first of October.
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The only time I've had my hands on an Old Confidential Guide was in a bookstore (remember those?) in California ~12 years ago. There were 7-8 or them sitting pristine on an upper shelf, and after browsing one of them for those courses I knew well and deciding that $20 was too much to pay to go further, I went back to reading the Sunday Times. I coulda been a gazillionaire.....
Rich, it was the same for me. A Borders (or was it Barnes & Noble?) on University Ave in Palo Alto around 1996 or so. They had a few in stock, and I just put it back on the shelf.
Mine was a Borders, too, Kevin, but somewhere nearer to San Jose. About the only place in San Jose where in those days you could get the Sunday Times. I've shaken Tom Doak's hand a few times, so I have that going fofr me.
Rich
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after browsing one of them for those courses I knew well and deciding that $20 was too much to pay to go further,
You clearly picked the wrong profiles to read or you 'overbrowsed' ( :P). And $20?? More like $45 plus tax. (Bought mine in 1996 at Rockefeller Center B&N after reading one profile. Had a commuter train to catch....or was it 'a train straight to golf discussion board history'?)
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The only time I've had my hands on an Old Confidential Guide was in a bookstore (remember those?) in California ~12 years ago. There were 7-8 or them sitting pristine on an upper shelf, and after browsing one of them for those courses I knew well and deciding that $20 was too much to pay to go further, I went back to reading the Sunday Times. I coulda been a gazillionaire.....
Rich,
I also came across a couple copies around the same time selling for $10. Purchased both and gave them to friends in Ballybunion.
As for my own copy, I just don't ever lend it out. Period.
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Bump, in light of the new feature interview with Tom:
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,59513.0.html (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,59513.0.html)
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/feature-interview-with-tom-doak/ (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/feature-interview-with-tom-doak/)
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Bump, in light of the new feature interview with Tom:
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,59513.0.html (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,59513.0.html)
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/feature-interview-with-tom-doak/ (http://www.golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/feature-interview-with-tom-doak/)
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I can't wait to see it. I respect the opinions of each one of those contributors. Should be a great read.
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Any predictions for which holes/courses the other editions will feature on their covers? (Agree totally the GBI cover looks great.)
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Couldn't have picked three better collaborators and love the font on the cover as well as the pic. Can't wait to check it out - hoping for the odd scathing review!
I'm waiting for someone (I have a few ideas) to criticize Ran and Tom for using this site to sell books. And no, this isn't some lame attempt to lob such criticism myself.
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Couldn't have picked three better collaborators and love the font on the cover as well as the pic. Can't wait to check it out - hoping for the odd scathing review!
I'm waiting for someone (I have a few ideas) to criticize Ran and Tom for using this site to sell books. And no, this isn't some lame attempt to lob such criticism myself.
Who here isn't interest in purchasing the series??
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Any predictions for which holes/courses the other editions will feature on their covers? (Agree totally the GBI cover looks great.)
Good odds (or bad, for a bettor) that a Crystal Downs hole graces the cover of the third volume, The Americas (summer destinations) – northern U.S. and Canada
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Serious question, since I'm struggling to find reference to it: how much will volume one set me back?
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Paul,
According to the interview $60 per volume. If you agree to buy the set the last book will be half price.
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Thanks Ash.
Actually pretty reasonable.
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Any predictions for which holes/courses the other editions will feature on their covers? (Agree totally the GBI cover looks great.)
We will decide these in the next few months so that Josh can get to painting them.
I have offered to let each of my collaborators have one of the five paintings, so there will certainly be some jockeying for position. I get the first one, which is only fair since it was based on a picture I took back in 1982.
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Sorry if this has been covered, but is there a publisher...or is Tom Doak self-publishing?
It's being published by Renaissance Golf Publishing.
The book goes to the printer next week. I will start taking pre-orders in a month or so. I expect to have books ready for delivery right around the first of October.
Congrats, Tom. What's the count for the first print run? And will there be subsequent printings?
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I'm waiting for someone (I have a few ideas) to criticize Ran and Tom for using this site to sell books. And no, this isn't some lame attempt to lob such criticism myself.
Ran and Tom BETTER use this site to sell the new CG. I'd be mighty pissed if they didn't.
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Paul,
According to the interview $60 per volume. If you agree to buy the set the last book will be half price.
25% discount fo GCA members?
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Paul,
According to the interview $60 per volume. If you agree to buy the set the last book will be half price.
25% discount fo GCA members?
Would you be ok with 20% off? Just order all five volumes.
http://www.renaissancegolf.com/books/buy_the_guide (http://www.renaissancegolf.com/books/buy_the_guide)
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Just placed my order. I am excited for volume 1, which I will put to immediate use to plan a trip to GB&I. Who's coming along?
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Order placed as well. I am really looking forward to the first volume.
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Just placed my order. I am excited for volume 1, which I will put to immediate use to plan a trip to GB&I. Who's coming along?
Brian, when were you thinking of going? I'm tentatively looking at 2016.
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Just placed my order. I am excited for volume 1, which I will put to immediate use to plan a trip to GB&I. Who's coming along?
Brian, when were you thinking of going? I'm tentatively looking at 2016.
Hoping to do a trip to Ireland in 2015. Would love to see Scotland in the next year or two as well.
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Did Bude and North Cornwall make Vol. 1?
How low is boring Saunton rated?
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Can't wait to get my copy and start planning my next big trip...
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How is that golf magazine was able to not only write an article about the book, but, give away it's most shocking rating?