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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture => Topic started by: David Davis on December 21, 2012, 12:04:43 PM
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Attn BUDA enthusiasts,
It’s taken a while, a lot of hard work, telephone time and meetings. I’m feeling prepared for a new career in international relations but our perseverance has finally paid off. BUDA in Holland is arranged and we have an amazing an unforgettable set up for all of you.
Please note one thing, as the private clubs we’ve arranged fall into the category of extremely private here we have limited space available for this one off opportunity to entertain you guys and let you experience the best golf The Netherlands and arguably continental Europe has to offer.
This is what the programme looks like:
Sunday, 14 July 20113
- Swinkelsche/Eindhovensche combination. http://www.golfbaandeswinkelsche.nl/ http://www.eindhovenschegolf.nl/
- Arrival Noordwijk aan Zee, check-n to Huis ter Duin, this can also happen on Saturday
Monday, 15 July
- 8:00 am Morning foursomes at Noordwijkse Golf Club
- Lunch
- 1:30 pm Afternoon fourball better ball Noordwijkse Golf Club
- Drinks and buffet dinner at Noordwijkse Golf Club
- Perhaps a small presentation/greeting http://www.noordwijksegolfclub.nl
Tuesday, 16 July
- 8:00 tee off - The International http://www.theinternational.nl/
- 14:30 tee off - Royal Hague http://www.khgcc.nl/en/
- Dinner with architect presentation – Frank Pont http://www.infinitevarietygolf.com/
Wednesday, 17 July
- Utrecht De Pan – as above based on the numbers. http://www.ugc-depan.nl/ Tee time = 7:15 am. Price 60 euro.
- Singles matches (in the form of fourballs) at Noordwijkse Golf club - tee times start at 13:00
Optional golf:
Thursday, 18 July
- Kennemer Golf Club – Please confirm your definite interest to me ASAP http://www.kennemergolf.nl/ Price 62.50 for 27 holes all 3 courses, maybe more but on a space available basis. Shouldn't be a problem.
Friday, 19 July
- Hilversumsche Golf Club - 7:30 am tee time. 60 euro price.
- Hoge Kleij Golf Club - time TBA.
(Note optional golf is subject to numbers and interest of course.)
I've been working on one of the members at the Noordwijkse who happens to be one of the directors of one of the nicest 5 star hotels in The Netherlands and have been able to arrange a truly amazing deal with them for our group.
This hotel as mentioned is 5 stars and is situation on the beach in Noordwijk aan Zee. The rate I've managed is including a buffet breakfast which they normally always charge 27.50 euro for. It's also including a welcome drink for the group once we are all there. In NL these things are just not common in any level of hotel.
Room rates (including a large buffet breakfast) are:
Deluxe Double room - 58.40 GBP (94 USD) - 72.50 euro per person per night.
The same rooms are also available as singles at 100.88 GBP (162.45 USD) - 125 euro per night.
Suites are available upon request of course so there is something for everyone.
Here is the website for the hotel so you can see it:
http://huisterduin.com/
Please note the hotel requires no down payment, the price will be better than you can arrange anyplace else and the travel times to the clubs will be 20 minutes and 35 minutes respectively. The hotel is very luxurious and also has parking. This is high season so the rate is a fraction of normal costs.
Everyone is responsible to reserve the hotel themselves under our group’s name. Noordwijkse Golf Club – David Davis
As for the golf we have been able to arrange this with more than a 50% discount on the golf fees. Which is the first time these clubs have extended that kind of hospitality to an outside of NL group I’m told.
Golf at de Noordwjikse will cost:
195 euro/158 GBP/257 USD (course as of today on XE.com) for 3 rounds
Golf at The International will cost: 75 euro
Golf at Royal Hague will cost:
90 euro/73 GBP/118 USD
RESERVING YOUR PLACE:
Please note the euro prices are the final prices and what we will be charged so should there be large swings in currency exchange rates prices could be slightly cheaper or more expensive.
To reserve your place today please transfer your deposit of: 150 euro to Tony Muldoon via PAYPAL:
Tony has requested that you indicate "gift" on the paypal transaction. This has to do with the fees charged. Thank you.
Paypal:
Anthony Muldoon hstjet@googlemail.com
This is our list of who's paid their deposits and is confirmed (I will update it as deposits are received):
- Tony Muldoon
- David Davis
- Mike Whitaker
- Hart Huffines
- John Mayhugh
- Ulrich Mayring
- Mark Pearce
- Andrew Hastie
- Conrad Gamble
- Donal O'Ceallaigh
- Steve Wilson
- Bill Brightly
- David Kelly
- Ward Peyronnin
- Jan van Mondfrans
- Ed Tucholski
- Craig Disher
- Mark Chaplin
Happy New Year everyone and looking forward to hosting you in The Netherlands this summer!!!
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Thanks for all the hard work David I'm in.
I wil make enquires about palying in the Le Touquet area on the weekend before and post on here.
Important Note.
When paying by Paypal please list this as a 'Gift' and all charges will be minimal. Also check you are sending me 150 Euro rather than just paying out that amount. Thanks.
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This is a very nice itinerary and a great deal. As a local I know both the courses and the Hotel very well. The accomodation deal is almost perverse. Hats off to David for presenting such a great proposition. Unfortunately timing prevents me from joining in, but I have to recommend this trip to anybody who loves classic golf and a very pleasant hotel, at what must be less than half the normal rate.
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I'm in. Deposit on the way!!!
David - count me in for all post-Buda rounds.
Thanks for pulling this together. You are our hero!
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I am in, just need to make sure my Pay Pal account is still active. Haven't used it since my fantasy baseball (for money) phase came and went... Thank you so much for organising.
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I am in, just need to make sure my Pay Pal account is still active. Haven't used it since my fantasy baseball (for money) phase came and went... Thank you so much for organising.
You can use any credit card via PayPal.
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I am in for Thursday and Friday golf, not sure about Saturday.
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I'm in for Mon-Fri golf. I would also like to try the Swinkelsche/Eindhoven double, but that might need to be on the Sunday prior to Buda instead.
Thanks for all your work, David.
Deposit headed to Tony in the next couple of days.
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I'm in. Post BUDA golf may be a problem for me as I have a son working the Open and want to get back for that. Keen to explore pre-BUDA golf, though.
It's worth mentioning that David has done tremendous amount of work to get us this far. An overseas BUDA is a big departure but this should be a really good trip.
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Thanks guys, keep them coming. It was really a lot harder than I had anticipated but I have seen a lot of golf courses in a few short years and I really believe that the courses we've lined up for you guys to play are really great. The value is also great.
I kept with it because I truly believe The Netherlands deserves a much bigger place on the golf map and the courses we are going to play (including post BUDA) are some of the most highly underrated courses in the world.
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In for all golf! Thanks so much for allowing rookies! Hart Huffines
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Hart,
Great your joining, all rookies are welcome. Heck, there's even a rookie organizing....of course he's been closely monitored by the veterans for good measure!
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I'm in, but I don't have Pay Pal. However, I have an alternate idea how to get my deposit to Tony.
Do we get a discount for the suites as well? Just asking for the Lady :)
Also, I've noticed that they have regular and large rooms, seaview and landview, all priced differently. What category is our price for? I can take it up with the hotel myself, just don't want to create any confusion.
BTW, what's on Tuesday morning?
Whichever way it goes: fantastic effort, Dave!
Oh, and interested in Kennemer on Thursday as well. I was really hoping for Huis ter Duin when you said you could get something special and I think that might buy me this additional day before heading off to Le Touquet :)
Ulrich
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Here's a hot tip for all those doing Le Touquet before or after BUDA:
http://boutique.opengolfclub.com/en/home
The Hardelot - Le Touquet- Golf Pass gives you three courses for 192€, which is basically the price of two. This would cover La Mer, Les Pins and La Foret - all three classic courses down there.
Ulrich
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I'm in, but I don't have Pay Pal. However, I have an alternate idea how to get my deposit to Tony.
Do we get a discount for the suites as well? Just asking for the Lady :)
Also, I've noticed that they have regular and large rooms, seaview and landview, all priced differently. What category is our price for? I can take it up with the hotel myself, just don't want to create any confusion.
BTW, what's on Tuesday morning?
Whichever way it goes: fantastic effort, Dave!
Oh, and interested in Kennemer on Thursday as well. I was really hoping for Huis ter Duin when you said you could get something special and I think that might buy me this additional day before heading off to Le Touquet :)
Ulrich
Hi Ulrich, first off Merry Christmas if it's something you celebrate. You don't have to have paypal to pay someone on a paypal account I don't believe, you can just do it with your credit card.
As for the hotel I don't know the exact answer to your questions, I know however they will take pretty darn good care of us. The director wouldn't risk the business loss if things didn't go smoothly. If you are serious about the suite please PM me and I'll check into it.
I don't have the timing on Tuesday for the golf. I will have to firm things up on that. I'm guessing however that Tuesday morning things will be semi open. I think the earliest we can play Royal Hague is 11 am, maybe a little later due to rules on when 4 balls are allowed. I will only be able to firm up that stuff after the holidays but I'll let you know.
If you are thinking about 36 on Tuesday for example I'll have to get back to you. I don't think that will be possible at Royal Hague, in fact, I'm 99.9% certain it won't.
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No worries, we can always do some sightseeing :)
I'm not serious about the suite, but the large seaside double would be in the cards, depending on price. But I can take it up with the hotel myself, if you trust me to not embarass our group :)
Ulrich
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Ulrich,
Let me check it out with my contact at the hotel. That may work out more in our favor in this case if you haven't called them already.
Then I can let everyone know. I've been there a couple times and stayed over for events our club organized and didn't realize they had different rooms other than suites and sea/land view.
I think my contact will be on holidays so please be patient and I will get back to you on those specifics.
Thanks for pointing this out.
David
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Hi David
I have had trouble connecting with the hotel. I entered the group code and it didn't take and notified the hotel and they responded requesting what group i was with etc. and that they were aware code wasn't working so just a heads up to those attempting now. I am going to say I am with the GCA/Davis group and see what happens
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Hi Ward,
Let me get in touch with them. My contact who's confirmed everything is the Director and since it was done very recently I'm guessing he's away for the holidays and probably hasn't set it up yet.
Please bare with me, the deal will not change and we can have as many rooms as we want/need.
Ulrich also had some questions so let me firm this stuff up after the holidays and find out how they would like us to book.
Sorry about that.
David
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David,
Conrad Gamble, a regular BUDAite, will also be joining us.
I suspect we're going to take the car on the train to Calais and travel up over the weekend, so looking for golf on the Saturday and Sunday. I have an idea for the Sunday but would welcome suggestions as to Saturday venues on the way from Calais.
Mark
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Mark,
Royal Zoute is a wonderful course and a very welcoming club. Could be a great option for Saturday. I played it on either Easter Friday or Saturday a few years back and they had no qualms about accommodating me.
Bruges is a little way down the road for an overnight and is one of the finest cities in Europe.
If taking a ferry, you could also consider Ramsgate to Ostend.
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Mark,
Thanks. I agree with Scott on this, Bruges is a wonderful little city, very romantic if you are with your significant other. Personally I'm not sure about hitting it with my golf mates.
As for Royal Zoute, I'm not certain about their weekend policy, it's quite private so make sure and check that far in advance, if you tell them you are playing at Royal Hague, Noordwijkse and you want to play the only superior course in the Benelux you're a shoe in, even though it's not true :-)
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Ramsgate will be easier for picking me up on the way through! :D
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Mark,
If you overnight in Belgium, I would recommend Ghent over Bruges. Far fewer tourists, cheaper food & lodging, and every bit as charming IMO.
I would really like to try to make it to Royal Zoute myself, but won't arrive from the US until around 6AM Sunday in AMS. Seems that the Saturday after Buda would be my best chance.
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Just a quick note. I'm updating the list of who's already registered and we are rather quickly filling up spaces. If this unique BUDA is of interest and you can join please let us know and get your deposits to Tony.
Thanks guys, it's gonna be some great golf!
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Thanks for organising this David.
I'm in!
Deposit is on its way to Tony.
I'm interested in all the post-BUDA golf.
Regarding the hotel, I got the impression from Ward's post that he tried to book online. Is it possible to do it that way, or is it better to speak in person to the hotel staff?
Is the rate you negotiated with the hotel only applicable for three nights? As all the courses are close by (with the exception of Swinkelsche/Eindhovensche) it might be handy to stay in the one place for 4-5 nights.
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Donal,
Thanks, great that your coming! I think the hotel rate will be good if you want to stay longer. I need to clarify a couple things with them after the holidays. So please hang on for a week and I'll ask them how they would like the group to book.
Yes it is certainly handy to stay there.
Cheers,
David
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Yep, we're going to stay longer as well, will already arrive on Thursday pre-BUDA.
Ulrich
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Hey guys,
Just want you to know I confirmed the details with the hotel for you. The special rates I've arranged are valid 3 days before and 3 days after the BUDA rates, perfect for those of you in for post BUDA golf. Also the rates are for a Luxury room with Sea view. I will have a booking code in the next week that you can use for booking online. Otherwise you are welcome to contact the hotel directly and book which a couple of you have already done.
Happy New Year!
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Great News, you rock David!
Ulrich
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Ulrich, we aim to please! I'm aiming at making NL a major destination in the minds of GCA'ers so with any luck all you guys will be bragging about this trip for years to come ;)
Steve and Donal, we've received your deposits, thanks guys!
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Hotel just personally confirmed my booking and that rate is for the luxury seaside suite!!
I am still trying to deal with F***ing Paypal
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For the others looking to book the hotel I've been given this booking code for our special rate:
It is possible to make a room reservation online by the website http://www.huisterduin.com/en/rooms. Please fill out the code 32394 and press on submit.
Ward,
Great to hear you are coming! You mention a suite for that price but in order to manage expectations I think the rooms are very nice, there is a view of the sea but I don't believe they are SUITES (in the sense that most of us understand suites to be) unless you especially order a suite and then I assure you that this price will not count. The real suites up on the top floor will be enormous and probably cost in the area of 1500 US a night or more. What we have are large double rooms!
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My Bad David . Mixin up needs and wants I guess
We are pleased to confirm your room reservation:
Arrival date : 14th of July 2013
Departure date : 20th of July 2013
Confirmation nr. : R4360D
Number of people : 1
Room type : Deluxe Room
Room price : EUR 125,00 per night
The room price is per room per night inclusive Buffet Breakfast, but exclusive city tax EUR 3,65 per person per night.
If you have any questions or adjustments, please do not hesitate to contact undersigned at telephone number: +31-71 - 365 1300 or at our fax number +31- 71 - 3619401.
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Well, it sure looks like Mr. Peyronnin has cleaned up on all the deluxe rooms, because I just booked 07/12 till 07/19 and got a "Run of House Double". However, I did get an extra item called "Golf Architecture Trip", which I believe Mr. Peyronnin hasn't :)
Ulrich
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David,
I know I shouldn't ask, but have you got a rough idea about the tee times for Tue (afternoon), Wed-Fri? Do you think early starts are possible for post-BUDA? I have a return flight on Friday evening, so I'll miss out on the possible Swinkelsche/Eindhovensche combination. I arrive on Sunday afternoon.
After Buda X (11 rounds in 7 days), I vowed not to cram so much golf into such a short time, but it's difficult to resist the temptation. I'd like to squeeze 36 holes in wherever I can, so maybe I'll try Swinkelsche/Eindhovensche on the Wednesday or Thursday evening.
Anybody else interested in maxing the long July days with as much golf as possible?
Forgive me for pestering you and sounding like a spoilt brat; I don't get out much, so I have to take whatever chances I get.
I really appreciate all you've done. You're a star!!! It's going to be a great BUDA!!
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Anybody else interested in maxing the long July days with as much golf as possible?
Absolutely.
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Donal,
I don't have the t-times for Tuesday yet. Wednesday tee times will most likely be after 11:00 am due to the fact that Noordwijk is 2 ball only until 11.00.
Monday we are playing morning foursomes and 4 balls in the afternoon. I'm not sure how fit everyone is but 36 holes at Noordwijk and you are broken. It's not what I'd call the easiest walk. Neither is Royal Hague. Wednesday I suggest we play it by ear, I'm sure we might be able to squeeze in some more golf but I'm really curious if everyone will be up to it.
The aim is to play 27 holes at Kennemer as they have 3 sets of 9 holes but I can't guarantee that yet as I need to get the final numbers and find out who is interested. It's highly unlikely and impractical to attempt to play the courses we are playing then drive all the way to Swinkelsche/Eidhovensche. The drive is is like 1.5 to 2 hours when there is no traffic. Let's wait till we are a little closer and I have a good idea of what everyone wants and who is coming. How's that sound?
Cheers,
David
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If we play 18 on Tuesday and Wednesday, then 27 holes at Kennemer on Thursday sounds super cool!
Ulrich
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David when do you need commitments/when are you closing the registration?
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Joe,
It just depends on the sign-ups. Full = full.
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The German contingent should be stronger in a BUDA in the Netherlands. Christoph, Emil, where are you? :)
Ulrich
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I am in for the Thursday golf after BUDA and would like to play Friday, but need to take an evening flight home. If we are playing Utrecht De Pan in the morning on Friday, I am in for that.
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Ulrich,
Yes, more Germans, the Dutch love them ;-) I'll let you do the recruiting!!!
Bill,
We will see what we can work out.
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Why are these bad walks? Xtra distance or just up and down. I walk 36 at Cruden Bay with no problem
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Why are these bad walks? Xtra distance or just up and down. I walk 36 at Cruden Bay with no problem
Ward, all of these are easier walks than Cruden, only R Hague has some slopes comparable to the CB hike up to 9 tees
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Hi guys,
A few of you have expressed that you have a keen interest in booking as many holes a day as you possible can. It will be light here in July until about 10 pm in the evening while you are here.
I just want to let you know well in advance that the BUDA is from Monday - Wednesday. Monday for sure we will play 1 round of foursomes and one round of 4 balls. Tuesday at this stage is 18 holes, if there is a chance to play more I will let you know. Tuesday night we have dinner at Royal Hague with a presentation from Frank Pont. It would be great if everyone joined that. That being said I will try to arrange the tee times in a way that if we can't play more than 18 holes (which I honestly really doubt will be allowed) then the diehards can arrange their own golf someplace else in the early morning. On Wednesday I will try to make the tee time as early as the club will allow so those who want to be 100% sure they will be able to play more than 18 holes can arrange their own golf in the late afternoon someplace else.
As for Thursday and Friday, these are just optional days, no one is required to join. There is no chance I will be able to arrange multiple rounds on these courses for anyone including myself. That's just not how it works. Imagine going to one of the Top 10 private clubs in the US as a guest of a member and asking them to play 36 + holes when they hardly even know who you are. I'm sure you guys will understand that for me this is asking too much of the members. I am going to do all to attempt to get us to play 27 holes at Kennemer on Thursday. There may be opportunity to keep going until dark, however I will not be able to arrange this in advance nor guarantee it.
The other thing you have to understand is that you are coming to the most densely populated countries in the world, 300,000 golfers and 100+ golf courses (others exist but I wouldn't really consider them golf courses) of which 10-15 are worth playing. 5 of these are outstanding. All of these 10 are highly private. They may allow guests but they won't allow you to reserve in advance. They will tell you to call the day before once they know what members are going to do and if there is space for you unless you know someone. This means the furthest in advance you will be able to arrange your own golf will likely be somewhere between a week and a day if you are lucky.
Again everyone is welcome to give it a shot and arrange as much golf around our playing as you wish by all means. Please share your success stories with me and how you did it. I will be very curious and interested to find out how.
I'm also looking extremely forward to playing Pine Valley and Augusta and making sure I can get in at least 36 holes a day at these places during my stay :-)
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Hi everyone,
It was suggested to me now a few times that many of you want to get in as much golf as possible. Royal Hague on Tuesdays has ladies day in the mornings so I've arranged our start times from 14:30 hours. It's light out until 22:00 hours that time of year so we won't run out of light.
I'm discussing a morning round with a club pretty close. It's a brand new private club called "The International". Great design and convenient all be hectic location next to the airport. I'll aim for an 8:00 am start there if I can arrange it. It's also highly private and not open to play unless you are with a member. They are playing the Deloitte Ladies Open there this year. This will make for an interesting contrast to the classic old courses we are playing and help make sure you gentleman get in enough golf.
I will keep you updated as this progresses.
Cheers,
David
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David,
Sounds great if you can swing it.
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It's a Bruno Steensels design. I have played only one of his courses, namely Brunssumerheide.
Ulrich
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The other thing you have to understand is that you are coming to the most densely populated countries in the world, 300,000 golfers and 100+ golf courses (others exist but I wouldn't really consider them golf courses) of which 10-15 are worth playing. 5 of these are outstanding. All of these 10 are highly private. They may allow guests but they won't allow you to reserve in advance. They will tell you to call the day before once they know what members are going to do and if there is space for you unless you know someone. This means the furthest in advance you will be able to arrange your own golf will likely be somewhere between a week and a day if you are lucky.
David:
This is a very good explanation, but it also explains why you'll have a difficult time with your goal of "making The Netherlands a major destination" for golf.
Wish I could join you, but my schedule is just too complicated this summer to commit to more events. It's possible I will try to get there for a day or two if I don't have to be in China or New Zealand instead.
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Ok guys, as coincidence would have it, the golf god's are were in my favor today and I was called by my contact at The International. They are allowing me to bring the group there in the morning so we are in and it's etched in stone. I'm quite excited about it and I won't have to take any grief about not giving you attics enough golf to satisfy your needs.
They are charging us the same as the other courses which is really very generous considering it's a fraction of the normal members guest greenfee.
I'm feeling very proud of this one so please excuse myself while I pat myself on the back ha ha.....
0800 hours on Tuesday the 16th we are there, 1430 we are at Royal Hague.
I'm going to go out on a limb and promise this will be a BUDA not to be soon forgotten.
Ulrich: yes a Steensels course indeed, I'm a fan of this one for NL, I like the routing it's has a bit of everything but let's not forget it's a modern course and was created on a perfectly flat piece of property, so the sky was the limit. A completely different experience to the old courses.
Tom: of course if you can make it your welcome. I agree with your statement. NL will never been a major golf destination most likely but I still think it's has a hand full of great courses that are highly under rated and should be experience by the golf enthusiast. I'm excited to see what everyone else thinks as well.
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David - you are right the Durch scene should be experienced by visitors but only a serious nutter would visit somewhere based on calling the day before to see if they can get you on.
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The International is the course near Schiphol airport, right? Since my home course is right next to Frankfurt airport, I'm fairly used to Jumbo Jets taking off in my backswing :)
Ulrich
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In addition to what David has mentioned for the program outside BUDA, I have arranged play on Sunday for 6 BUDA players so far on Swinkelsche in morning and Eindhovensche in the afternoon. Let me know if more people want to join.
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In addition to what David has mentioned for the program outside BUDA, I have arranged play on Sunday for 6 BUDA players so far on Swinkelsche in morning and Eindhovensche in the afternoon. Let me know if more people want to join.
Frank - please include Ward and me in this group. Thank you!!!
Mike Whitaker
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Frank, I would love to play Sunday if there's room. Thanks! Hart
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Whitty and I will be arriving in greater Amsterdam friday night after staying in Ultrecht the previous two nights.
Is anyone else arriving early and would you be interested in establishing a GCA HQ somewhere before we hunker down on the coast?
Do any of our more worldly brethren have a suggestion regarding the above other than establishments in the red light district?
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Wardo,
Conrad and I also arrive in Amsterdam on Friday night. I think we're playing with you guys on Sunday, too.
Mark
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There's lots of good bars in Amsterdam. My favourite is the Arendsnest on the Heerengracht canal, about 15 minutes walk from Centraal station (there's a very good cheese shop nearby too). They specialise in Dutch beers - most of the serious beer cafes in Amsterdam focus on Belgian brews - so you'll find some unusual stuff there. I also really like In De Wildeman, which is on a little alley about half way between the station and Dam Square.
The ten-year refurb of the Rijksmuseum is almost finished - it reopens in late April. One of the world's great galleries imo.
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I'll probably do the Rijksmuseum on Sunday, but if there is a game anywhere on Saturday, I'd be interested.
Ulrich
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Excellent my yellow panted friend
But I was really seeking lodging not barsor galleries Adam
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Mark,
Looking forward to seeing you and Conrad in Amsterdam!
Any thoughts on accommodations for Friday and Sat evenings? Does anyone have any recommendations?
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Gentlemen,
Those of you arriving early and looking to stay in Amsterdam. Are you thinking right in the center? What's the budget? Really there are a lot of factors that make that kind of recommendation difficult.
This website is very useful for booking hotels in The Netherlands and you will find some of the best prices here:
www.booking.com
Here is a little idea of what you can except. There are 3 main squares, Rembrandplein, Leidseplein and the Dam. There are all about 10-15 min walk from each other so very close.
If you want to be by one of these squares you can pick a hotel there. Parking will be an issue at some so make sure you check it in advance.
Leidseplein: Marriott Hotel, Americain Hotel
Rembrandtplein: has an NH Hotel and a variety of others.
Dam: has a Swissotel, Kransnapolsky, the Grand, Sofitel (close by).
Tip: if the price is right, Pullitzer which I find quite unique since it's a modern hotel on the Prinsengracht (canal) that was built in 5 old canal houses (gentleman's houses).
There are tons of other as well, the site above does a great job of showing them off.
If you want something different or more specific, please ask.
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I'm staying in the Huis ter Duin, because the special BUDA price is already available in advance. I don't think you'll get a better deal in Amsterdam and it shouldn't be too hard to get there from Nordwijk.
Ulrich
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The only problem with basing yourself in Noordwijk is that there's no train service. If you have a car you're fine, obviously, but if you're reliant on public transport you have to take a cab or a bus into Leiden, which is a bit of a pain, as I found out when I was there sans voiture a few years ago.
(Leiden's lovely, btw).
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Adam is right. With public transport it takes 1 hour to get to Amsterdam. It's not a bad trip though and it's easy enough to do. One bus straight to Leiden, a great little town, then a short train ride.
It takes you about 40 minutes with a car and then you have to make your way into town and figure out where/how to park.
Might be less stressful to actually use the public transport if you are not used to driving with trams, bikes and pedestrians, all of which who have the right away jumping at you from every corner....
You can also sample the local delicacies, beer, wine, jenever etc etc without having to worry about driving....just an option.
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Bump... 8)
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Gentlemen,
Those of you arriving early and looking to stay in Amsterdam. Are you thinking right in the center? What's the budget? Really there are a lot of factors that make that kind of recommendation difficult.
This website is very useful for booking hotels in The Netherlands and you will find some of the best prices here:
www.booking.com
Here is a little idea of what you can except. There are 3 main squares, Rembrandplein, Leidseplein and the Dam. There are all about 10-15 min walk from each other so very close.
If you want to be by one of these squares you can pick a hotel there. Parking will be an issue at some so make sure you check it in advance.
Leidseplein: Marriott Hotel, Americain Hotel
Rembrandtplein: has an NH Hotel and a variety of others.
Dam: has a Swissotel, Kransnapolsky, the Grand, Sofitel (close by).
Tip: if the price is right, Pullitzer which I find quite unique since it's a modern hotel on the Prinsengracht (canal) that was built in 5 old canal houses (gentleman's houses).
There are tons of other as well, the site above does a great job of showing them off.
If you want something different or more specific, please ask.
I can endorse the Pulitzer, spent a few days there on business a while ago. Very cool place right on the canal. Short walk to Ann Frank Museum.
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it seems like the pre-buda sunday spots are taken but if you are keeping a waiting list would you put me on it?
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In addition to what David has mentioned for the program outside BUDA, I have arranged play on Sunday for 6 BUDA players so far on Swinkelsche in morning and Eindhovensche in the afternoon. Let me know if more people want to join.
Not sure if you have included David Kelly & me for the Sunday rounds. Will there be enough room?
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Chris an John,
There should be no capacity problem with Swinkelsche and Eindhovensche on Sunday, so count yourself in.
I need to finalise the timings etc, and we will probably be joined by some members at Eindhoven, but will let you know the details when I know them.
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Guys,
I'm booked for the hotel arriving Saturday pre-Buda and departing the Friday post-Buda, so that will have me available for golf Sunday through Thursday. It's almost certain I'll be bringing my hickories and playing them exclusively. This of course will mean a higher handicap by then, and perhaps arrangements should be made that I be partnered with some one who isn't hyper competitive during the BUDA. When I'm on my own it doesn't matter.
On that same note, how many of these courses have tees in the 6000 yard range? Playing at that distance down to per 5700 would be ideal for my shafts. Looking forward to this in a big way, and I'm wondering if anyone could provide a phonetic pronunciation of the hotel in which we are staying? Somehow "House in the Dunes or however they say it, lacks elegance.
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On that same note, how many of these courses have tees in the 6000 yard range? Playing at that distance down to per 5700 would be ideal for my shafts. Looking forward to this in a big way, and I'm wondering if anyone could provide a phonetic pronunciation of the hotel in which we are staying? Somehow "House in the Dunes or however they say it, lacks elegance.
Steve, you should be OK playing from the Blue (Ladies Back) tees on most courses, which usually are between 5700-6000 yards.
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I'd say that "Hoys ter Doyn" is how an English speaking person should pronounce Huis ter Duin.
Ulrich
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Steve,
I like the effort Ulrich has put in to make you sound like a German pronouncing a Dutch word. Very clever Ulrich ;)
I had to think about it as well. I think the closest you can come with never hearing it yourself would be to plug your nose with one hand then say "Hows ter Down" exactly as it sounds in American English.
As for the hickory sticks, I'm making everyone play the whites at least one round at Noordwijkse and at Royal Hague. These courses are made to play (at least with modern equipment) from these tees. I've never used hickories as I honestly have enough trouble trying to play the game with my modern stuff.
However the whites at Noordwijk are 7000 yds with some semi tough carries so I don't think that would be fun with your hickories. As Frank says you can certainly play up on those other tees that will make all the courses fun and manageable that way. I know a guy at our club that plays with clubs older than me all the time (I'm 43).
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I think one of the most satisfying privileges of organising an event such as BUDA is setting up matches between players with different handicapping systems, playing from whatever tee and taking into account jetlag, swing changes and other injuries that preclude them from playing their normal game :)
Ulrich
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I think one of the most satisfying privileges of organising an event such as BUDA is setting up matches between players with different handicapping systems, playing from whatever tee and taking into account jetlag, swing changes and other injuries that preclude them from playing their normal game :)
Ulrich
Good point. What is the appropriate handicap adjustment for jetlag?
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Gentlemen, please. Experienced BUDAites will tell you that the correct protocol is to wait until a couple of days before the match before the USGA handicappers start to complain about handicapping.
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It's looking good.
Welcome to so many new faces, looking forward to meeting you all.
Can I just clarify, for those who haven't been to one before, David is organisng Golf from Monday through Wednesday. All other bookings and arangements are down to the individual - including the Hotel.
Will be great.
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Guys,
What Tony has said is correct however, I have of course gone the extra mile for you all and already arranged the hotel for early arrival and late departure as you like it. All you have to do is call/mail them to arrange.
If you tell me how's definitely in for Thursday and Friday golf then I'll give that a go as promised at the courses I already mentioned.
Ulrich, yes that definitely sounds like fun. How is the German hcp system by the way? My German golf buddy is a 3 hcp, seems to win a few of these open events in Germany each year and has never broken 85 at Noordwijk. Since he's my only reference it would be fun to have a pool to see which nationalities hcp system delivers the closest to accurate results at Noordwijk and to see who if any play under their hcp (this group will forever in my eyes be seen as sandbaggers).
I'm going to make the bet open to everyone coming in some way shape or form. If you are a 5 hcp and lower and you break 80, stroke play from the white tees on your first go on Monday I'll buy your drinks. Pre-requisite is that the wind is blowing at least at the annual average of windforce 4.5. If your hcp is between 6-12 well make it 85 and if your hcp is higher than that we'll make it 90.
BTW. just to make it specific enough, I'm talking about 18 holes of golf, not breaking 80 on the front 9. ;-) Also all hcps need to be verifiable.
If you lose the bet don't worry, you owe me nothing, everyone has lost so far but it will be fun watching everyone sweat a bit.
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Gentlemen, please. Experienced BUDAites will tell you that the correct protocol is to wait until a couple of days before the match before the USGA handicappers start to complain about handicapping.
It's usually a two step operation. Complain in the bar the night before. Complain on the tee as the matches commence.
That night in the bar: wash, rinse, repeat. ;D
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I'm going to make the bet open to everyone coming in some way shape or form. If you are a 5 hcp and lower and you break 80, stroke play from the white tees on your first go on Monday I'll buy your drinks. Pre-requisite is that the wind is blowing at least at the annual average of windforce 4.5. If your hcp is between 6-12 well make it 85 and if your hcp is higher than that we'll make it 90.
BTW. just to make it specific enough, I'm talking about 18 holes of golf, not breaking 80 on the front 9. ;-) Also all hcps need to be verifiable.
If you lose the bet don't worry, you owe me nothing.
Gents,
I will match David's bet at Royal Hague white tees and for whoever visits on Sunday at De Swinkelsche black tees. In both cases no wind required :-)
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Frank,
Does that also count for me then? I might need to arrange a cab on that day and a hospital bed that night. I tend to play pretty well at Royal Hague and I've never seen the front tees there.
I'd like to join in for the game at Swinkelsche and Eindhovensche as well if you have space. We could also do it another time though.
Gentlemen,
You've heard it all now, it lies in your hands to bring your "A" games and make Frank and I sorry we put our money where our mouth is.
Looking forward to seeing all of you with a 10ft sliding put on 18 for a 79...
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David,
Ofcourse you are more than welcome on Sunday at Swinkelsche in the morning and Eindhoven in the afternoon.
Sofar including you and me we'll be with 13. I have also invited some players from Eindhoven in the morning (Cees Collart et al)
Bet for Swinkelsche is also valid for you, not on Royal Hague since it won't be your first time playing there ....
FP
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I'd rather see some bets focusing on the joy of playing a world class course for the first and probably only time ever, instead of a scorecard and pencil based approach :)
Ulrich
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Ulrich, I'm with you, it's only in good fun. It's hard to make a bet against joy of playing btw as I've not yet found a way to measure that in someone else. Maybe it's the size of their smile once they hit the 19th hole yet still before they have taken their first adult beverage. Unless your one of these guys that drinks a couple pints for breakfast to loosen up.
In any case no-one is being pushed to take any bets and the bets are one sided anyway. You can't lose, you can only win. I honestly don't expect anyone to break 80, not golf pros or + hcp'ers. Not on their first round. So if someone does they I will happily fill them with drinks so it doesn't happen when I play against them the next day ha ha...
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It's easy to break 80 in match play, if your opponent is off his game :)
Ulrich
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Oh, great... now we are going to have the Buda newbees grinding over their score and adding 30 minutes to our round!!! Buda golf is slow enough as it is without half of the field worrying about what score they shoot. I get it, the courses are difficult... which will add to the time to play them. Now, we are going to have some of the players sweating over chip shots and putts so they win a free drink! :'(
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Well, then I would suggest modifying the bets inasmuch as we are allowed to take five more shots than originally alloted, but need to finish in time in order to claim the prize.
Ulrich
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Michael,
Noordwijkse and Royal Hague are not really courses you can walk quickly. Royal Hague is a little easier walk in my opinion. At Noordwijk from the back tees you have to do some climbing on several holes.
Today I played one of the fastest rounds ever there with a 2 ball. Just under 3 hours BUT we had winter greens so the course is much shorter. As a 4 ball from the back tees you can expect 4.15-4:30 and that's not waiting on anyone. So sure we can access penalties for slow play, I'm all 4 it. Or we can just say after you've hit your 8th shot, time to pick up ha ha ha....
I'm kidding of course and I'm sure we will keep the rounds moving the best we can. If you are nice maybe I'll send you out in the first group so we all get stuck waiting on you.
Ulrich yes, we will go with your idea.
David
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I've never participated in a Buda where the participants were concerned about their individual score, so this is a new concept for me. We have always played matches and picked up our ball when our chance of winning a hole has expired. Playing out on every hole to card a medal score is how we play in America, and you know how we are criticized for the time it takes to play over here. It will be an interesting experiment to see how frustrated the UK players become standing around waiting to play a shot... we Yanks are used to it! ;)
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I've never participated in a Buda where the participants were concerned about their individual score, so this is a new concept for me. We have always played matches and picked up our ball when our chance of winning a hole has expired. Playing out on every hole to card a medal score is how we play in America, and you know how we are criticized for the time it takes to play over here. It will be an interesting experiment to see how frustrated the UK players become standing around waiting to play a shot... we Yanks are used to it! ;)
Six hour rounds?
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Gentlemen a topic we'll soon have to get round to discussing is slecting Captains.
There are a few 'players' still in the wings and I suggest we get the no's settled first; but it's looking like this Buda will be USA vs ROW on the nearest thing yet we've had that might be considered neutral ground. :)
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Joking aside, this last year when we hosted the National Amateur Strokeplay. The average hcp was +1, the average score was 84. The best was I think 1 over par. One guy shot -1 and won by 5 if I'm not mistaken. This is over 3 rounds. The average time it took them to play was something like 5.5 hours. Ok I know these guys are sweating over puts but no worries gentlemen we won't be turning in any 5 hour rounds or well get kicked off the course. From what I've seen people play quick enough that I'm guessing we will finish in 4:30 if the conditions are tough.
Tony, I'm curious which team is going to get stuck with me. Duo citizenship means I could go either way.
You guys don't worry about speed of rounds and definitely not about your score. I'm just teasing on all that stuff. My goal is that you all have a great time and enjoy the golf courses and then we enjoy debating about their set up afterwards over some nice cool adult beverages.
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If past BUDAs are any indication, then we'll have players, who routinely break 80 and others, who usually break 100. So it might make sense to not put everyone on the same tees :)
Ulrich
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Ulrich we can let people choose. No problem. We also have 3 sets of forward tees to choose from.
However, we will try to avoid mixing tees in one 4 ball. that just takes too long at our club.
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Tony, I'm curious which team is going to get stuck with me. Duo citizenship means I could go either way.
David it's a (semi)movable feast. Within the same Buda you might get to play for both sides - of course that means you might also get shot as a deserter, twice!
At the moment it looks to me as if there's plenty of USA players and I'll be more than happy to play alongside you.
( I think we're now at 18 no and will reveal more names this week).
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Tony,
Thanks for the vote of confidence...well, I think. At least you know I'm good at being creative and making up my rules such as the winning the hole by two during Mexicans and making off like a bandito with all the points.
At Noordwijkse and Royal Hague there are some blind shots and I see those as great opportunities of pointing my opponents in the almost correct direction. (no, uh, I meant that bush on the left, not the one on the right) better reload ;-)
Of course if I have the opportunity to play for both sides then I won't feel as though I'm letting either of my nationalities down. Good point!
It's still months away but I'm already excited to welcome everyone to NL.
Guys, better jump on those last spots for an unforgettable week of golf.
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Hi guys, I had an update from the Hotel today: they confirm that the following have arranged their rooms: if you are not on this list and have already arranged your rooms please let me know. Also If you haven't arranged them but are coming for sure. Please call or e-mail the hotel to get these arranged.
Mr Brightly, W.C.
Mr Huffanis, D.
Fam Mayring, U
Mr O`Ceallaigh, D.
Mr Peyronnin, W.
Mr Shaida, P.
Mr Whitaker, M.
Mr Wilson, S.
Thanks
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I just got word from the board of Eindhovensche that they have waved the greenfees for the people visiting on the Sunday afternoon before the BUDA, a very nice and valuable gesture...
Currently I have listed for that visit:
Christoph Meister
John Mayhugh
David Kelly
Mark Pearce
Conrad Gamble
Ward Peyronnn
Michael Whitaker
Hart Huffines
Chris Shaida
Steve Wilson
David Davis
One rule of the time we are starting is no 3/4 balls so we will have to play 2 balls. However if it is very calm, which I expect, we can rearrange after a few holes.
If others still want to join please let me know asap, so I can arrange,
Frank
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Frank,
That's extraordinarily good of Eindhovensche. I hope they'll let us spend plenty in the pro shop...
Really looking forward to this.
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Frank,
That is indeed incredibly generous of them, great job on organizing that. I guess what they say about below the river and above the river remains true to form. Thanks for all your help in the organizing process and especially with Royal Hague too. I personally look extremely forward to the trip down South myself. Don't get there as much as I should and I love Eindhovensche. The course will likely be in great shape come July, fingers crossed on the weather and we are really looking at a great time.
David
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I'm scheduled to arrive at the hotel on Saturday with the intention of playing on Sunday, so add another freeloader to the party.
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I'm scheduled to arrive at the hotel on Saturday with the intention of playing on Sunday, so add another freeloader to the party.
Noted.
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Frank,
That's extraordinarily good of Eindhovensche. I hope they'll let us spend plenty in the pro shop...
Really looking forward to this.
Funny enough Eindhovensche has no Pro shop, but you can buy limited memorabilia at the CaddyMaster...
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Great offer from Eindhovensche, unfortunately I can't play on Sunday. Still hoping for something to transpire on Saturday.
Ulrich
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Question:
Being optiistic and hoping for warm weather, what is the policy on shorts at these Netherlands clubs. Allowed, allowed but frowned upon, allowed with special equipage (e. g. knee socks) or disallowed altogether. I can't help being ugly and I can't help being American, but I'd like to avoid being an Ugly American.
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Question:
Being optiistic and hoping for warm weather, what is the policy on shorts at these Netherlands clubs. Allowed, allowed but frowned upon, allowed with special equipage (e. g. knee socks) or disallowed altogether. I can't help being ugly and I can't help being American, but I'd like to avoid being an Ugly American.
At most clubs shorts are allowed but with knee socks. In practice you drop the knee socks once out of sight of the clubhouse.......
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Just heard from Swinkelsche.
For the BUDA participants who are going to join us on Sunday they will be offering a green fee of 27.50 euro, including a welcome cup of coffee and a piece of vlaai (a southern Dutch type of pie).
Good value given that their normal weekend greenfee is north of 60 euro.
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Question:
Being optiistic and hoping for warm weather, what is the policy on shorts at these Netherlands clubs. Allowed, allowed but frowned upon, allowed with special equipage (e. g. knee socks) or disallowed altogether. I can't help being ugly and I can't help being American, but I'd like to avoid being an Ugly American.
;D
Steve,
Wear your trademark suspenders with this getup and you'll look anything but American!
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Eric,
I sense an alpenhorn and lederhosen in my future.
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The Sunday offer is getting better and better. Now shift it to Saturday to make it perfect :)
Ulrich
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The Sunday offer is getting better and better. Now shift it to Saturday to make it perfect :)
Ulrich
I'm sure I could arrange something for you on Saturday, send me an email directly
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That's a great day you've arranged for Sunday, Frank. Many thanks.
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Hey guys,
Hope you are all getting excited, played my first round on summer greens at Noordwijkse on Sunday. Course is in great condition and it was just marvelous. I need to get an exact number for the post BUDA golf on Thursday and possibly Friday.
Thursday I'm working on Kennemer. I will send a mail to all the signed up participants but if there are others planning to come now is when we need to know if you want to participate in more golf than just the BUDA Mon-Wed.
Please PM me to confirm.
Thanks,
David
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Gentlemen,
Let this be seen as a last call. If you have been riding the fence and our still thinking about it, get your butt in gear and tell us now or forever hold your peace!
We have set up a week you will never forget full of great golf, a fun group, and perhaps a little Dutch culture.
If you don't jump on this last chance you will be kicking yourself afterwards reading about it and hearing the stories for years to come.
Me, I'll see you there, I'm looking extremely forward to all the great golf and I've played all the courses except Frank's new one already several times.
David
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David,
Thanks for all of the work you have done organizing golf and accommodations. This should be a fantastic event.
For those who haven't been to one, these Buda cups are a perfect opportunity to play overseas without having to organize a group or, really, organize much of anything. Just show up and play (well, that and complain about handicaps).
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John
There's really not much to complain about.
Just the truism that the Euro's HCP posted off tournament scores vs our GHIN system of casual golf still rarely affords the necessary advantage to vanquish the invading hordes
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Just heard from the board of Hoge Kleij, a heathland course by Frank Pennink (who also designed Noordwijk), that the people of BUDA are welcome on Friday to come and play the course.
Similar to Eindhoven I have been able to arrange that NO greenfee will need to be paid.
The course lies 5 min drive from De Pan so that it would be quite easy to combine both in one visit.
HK is usually ranked about 10th in Holland. It lies in hilly terrain which is quite unusual for Holland. I have last year completed a complete 18 holes overhaul of all bunkers, tees and green surrounds. I think you will enjoy it.
Let me know if there are any people who want to take up this offer and I will arrange the logistics together with David.
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Just updated for Thursday and Friday. Kennemer and De Pan have confirmed and are being very generous and offering us great deals.
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Guys...
Is anyone familiar with the options in Holland/Belgium/France for a pre-paid data sim card for an iPad? In the UK I purchase a 3G card from the Three Network for about £25. Is there anything like that will work while I'm in Europe?
Also, any advice on pre-paid phone sims? I use TalkMobile in the UK and the cost is quite reasonable. A £10 top-up usually lasts me a couple of weeks, including calls back to the States.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Mike
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Just updated for Thursday and Friday. Kennemer and De Pan have confirmed and are being very generous and offering us great deals.
Great news, well done David!
David and/or BUDA participants, do we have a view on how many will want to play both De Pan and Hoge Kleij on Friday?
It would be useful to know numbers and timing, eg if they play Pan in the morning and Hoge Kleij in the afternoon.
That way I can get back to the board of Hoge Kleij for finalising the logistics.
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I just paid my deposit via PayPal. My schedule is pretty flexible at this point. I know that I'm going to head to Europe sometime (whenever I finish my school requirements and drive across country) and then I'll be coming back stateside before 5 August. I'm planning on playing as much golf as my wife will allow, so count me in for any of the golf where there are open slots.
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Frank / David,
I'd be interested in playing De Pan and Hoge Kleij on the Friday. I have a return flight at 19:20 so it might be tight in the afternoon, but I'm willing it try, depending on what time we tee off. Otherwise, I'll try to delay my departure till later in the evening.
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I just paid my deposit via PayPal. My schedule is pretty flexible at this point. I know that I'm going to head to Europe sometime (whenever I finish my school requirements and drive across country) and then I'll be coming back stateside before 5 August. I'm planning on playing as much golf as my wife will allow, so count me in for any of the golf where there are open slots.
Joe,
I will reserve a slot for you on Sunday at Swinkelsche/Eindhovensche, and one for the Friday at Hoge Kley!
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Frank / David,
I'd be interested in playing De Pan and Hoge Kleij on the Friday. I have a return flight at 19:20 so it might be tight in the afternoon, but I'm willing it try, depending on what time we tee off. Otherwise, I'll try to delay my departure till later in the evening.
Donal,
Noted, could be tight, but it all depends on the tee times David Has arranged at Pan. I have not heard from David yet on the logistics of combining Pan and Hoge Kleij.
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Guys I updated the start times in the main post. De Pan tee times start at 8 am.
Hope that helps. I'll let you guys figure out the rest. Ie what time you would like to play at Hoge Kleij.
I guess a round at De Pan takes 3.5-4 hours depending on the size of the group. I think for a European flight leaving at 7 pm you should make sure to arrive 1 hour 15 minutes in advance, maybe more. I'd give myself 1 hour to get to the airport from Hoge Kleij.
I'll let you kind of figure out if you think you can make it work.
Cheers,
David
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Guys...
Is anyone familiar with the options in Holland/Belgium/France for a pre-paid data sim card for an iPad? In the UK I purchase a 3G card from the Three Network for about £25. Is there anything like that will work while I'm in Europe?
Also, any advice on pre-paid phone sims? I use TalkMobile in the UK and the cost is quite reasonable. A £10 top-up usually lasts me a couple of weeks, including calls back to the States.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Mike
Mike I'm not familiar with it but everything is findable on Google. Here is a start: http://prepaidwithdata.wikia.com/wiki/The_Netherlands
Hope that helps, David
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Just saw that we get to play all 27 holes at Kennemer, that sounds like serious fun :)
Ulrich
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Ulrich, it's getting better by the minute....we might even get away with more :-)
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So you are talking them into building some more holes for us? :)
Ulrich
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Guys I updated the start times in the main post. De Pan tee times start at 8 am.
Hope that helps. I'll let you guys figure out the rest. Ie what time you would like to play at Hoge Kleij.
I guess a round at De Pan takes 3.5-4 hours depending on the size of the group. I think for a European flight leaving at 7 pm you should make sure to arrive 1 hour 15 minutes in advance, maybe more. I'd give myself 1 hour to get to the airport from Hoge Kleij.
I'll let you kind of figure out if you think you can make it work.
Cheers,
David
David, thanks for the update, I will get tee times from 13.30 at Hoge Kleij. Now only need to know how many will want to play Hoge Kleij
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This is my first post on here although through Frank, I have been into architecture for quite a while now. This looks like an amazing trip (having played almost all of these courses already)! Would love to join for a day, if only to spend some time with architecture aficionados..
I have already contacted Frank and will speak to David.
Thanks and you best start working on being fit - July looks golf heavy! (or heaven)
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Guys I updated the start times in the main post. De Pan tee times start at 8 am.
Hope that helps. I'll let you guys figure out the rest. Ie what time you would like to play at Hoge Kleij.
I guess a round at De Pan takes 3.5-4 hours depending on the size of the group. I think for a European flight leaving at 7 pm you should make sure to arrive 1 hour 15 minutes in advance, maybe more. I'd give myself 1 hour to get to the airport from Hoge Kleij.
I'll let you kind of figure out if you think you can make it work.
Cheers,
David
David, thanks for the update, I will get tee times from 13.30 at Hoge Kleij. Now only need to know how many will want to play Hoge Kleij
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Gentleman,
This trip just keeps on getting better. I spoke to Bruno Steensels who will join us at The International on Tuesday morning. He is the architect that designed the course and honestly quite an excellent player himself. Other than teaching us a lesson on the course I'm sure he would be happy to answer any questions and perhaps talk to the group over lunch.
We will have lunch there but we unfortunately won't have a huge amount of time due to our busy program and need to get to Royal Hague by 2 pm.
If you are interested to learn more about Mr. Steensels who has done some 70 projects and designs please take a look at his website: www.mastergolf.be
With both Frank and Bruno joining us we have two of the best architects from The Netherlands and Belgium.
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Wow, and I thought to skip The International and sleep in that day - looks like that is no option now :)
Ulrich
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I think we need to consider chippin in another $50 per and hire a documentary filmaker. ( Maybe I can recruit an aspiring young female production asst)
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With Bruno joining at least we do not have to worry about who will be winning the longest drive :)
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Gents,
Please confirm your HCP and which days you will be playing to me ASAP.
Thanks,
David
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Thanks for keeping this going David.
Now when are you going to provide us with a few key words in Dutch.
Hotel
Beer
Wine
Hotdog
Grits?
Looking forward to this very much.
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Grits or Girls Tony
The former doesn't exist east of the gulfstream
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Grits or Girls Tony
The former doesn't exist east of the gulfstream
Course it does. It's called 'polenta'.
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Adam
lets compare notes at Buda but in my experience pollenta is not much like good ol grits
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*GRIT NOTES by Ward Peyronnin
;D ;D ;D
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Gents,
No grits in NL.
Golf = Golf
Golfbaan = Golf course
Golfball = Golf ball
Bier = beer
Drankje = a drink
WC = Toilet
Heren WC = men's toilet
Hotel = Hotel
Wijn = wine pronounced vine.
Dank je wel = thank you = pronounced dank ya vell
Mooi ball = good shot
Kroket = avoid
Bitterballen = avoid
Furthermore, everyone will speak English plus I'll be there.
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I've had a lot of bitterballen today from 3 or 4 feet.
Ulrich
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An exciting note for those of you who were only staying till Wednesday or Thursday. I've switched De Pan to Wednesday morning. Can't have any of you leaving without the feeling you have OD'd on golf. Plus I really think it's something everyone should experience here. Especially all you lovers of British Heathland courses.
Please note this will complicate our logistics a bit on the day and call for a very early start and we will have to drive a good hour in between rounds to get back to Noordwijk but it's worth it and you will thank me later.
At your service!!!
For those of you staying through Friday I will find another club for the Friday morning for the small group remaining.
David
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I will thank you right now, because missing De Pan was a major regret on my part!
Perhaps someone can give me a lift on that day, so I can avoid having to ask my better half to drive me to Utrecht in the wee hours, wait for me to play golf and hurry me back to Noordwijk. It would be a lot more beneficial to my health if I were to tell her that she can have the car all day and go wherever she fancies :)
Ulrich
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An exciting note for those of you who were only staying till Wednesday or Thursday. I've switched De Pan to Wednesday morning. David
Nice move David, what a trip.
http://www.top100golfcourses.co.uk/htmlsite/productdetails.asp?id=583 Any idea who wrote the review? ;D
Is this the first Buda to combine (and compare ) Links and Heathland?
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I will thank you right now, because missing De Pan was a major regret on my part!
Perhaps someone can give me a lift on that day, so I can avoid having to ask my better half to drive me to Utrecht in the wee hours, wait for me to play golf and hurry me back to Noordwijk. It would be a lot more beneficial to my health if I were to tell her that she can have the car all day and go wherever she fancies :)
Ulrich
Don't worry Ulrich, we will figure it out.
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An exciting note for those of you who were only staying till Wednesday or Thursday. I've switched De Pan to Wednesday morning. Can't have any of you leaving without the feeling you have OD'd on golf. Plus I really think it's something everyone should experience here. Especially all you lovers of British Heathland courses.
Please note this will complicate our logistics a bit on the day and call for a very early start and we will have to drive a good hour in between rounds to get back to Noordwijk but it's worth it and you will thank me later.
At your service!!!
For those of you staying through Friday I will find another club for the Friday morning for the small group remaining.
David
David:
What about switching Hoge Kleij to the Friday morning?
Your're spoiling us so much that I'm losing my manners and getting greedy :D
Even if Friday was a rest day, it will still be one hell of a good week's golf!
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An exciting note for those of you who were only staying till Wednesday or Thursday. I've switched De Pan to Wednesday morning. Can't have any of you leaving without the feeling you have OD'd on golf. Plus I really think it's something everyone should experience here. Especially all you lovers of British Heathland courses.
Please note this will complicate our logistics a bit on the day and call for a very early start and we will have to drive a good hour in between rounds to get back to Noordwijk but it's worth it and you will thank me later.
At your service!!!
For those of you staying through Friday I will find another club for the Friday morning for the small group remaining.
David
David:
What about switching Hoge Kleij to the Friday morning?
Your're spoiling us so much that I'm losing my manners and getting greedy :D
Even if Friday was a rest day, it will still be one hell of a good week's golf!
Donal, working on a replacement for Friday morning. Hilversumsche. Will keep everyone informed.
David
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Gents,
OK, Friday morning Hilversumsche is arranged. Tee time's will most likely be 7:30 am.
Good news for those of you still around on the day. It's also very close to Hoge Kleij
Regards,
David
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Gents,
OK, Friday morning Hilversumsche is arranged. Tee time's will most likely be 7:30 am.
Good news for those of you still around on the day. It's also very close to Hoge Kleij
Regards,
David
You da man David !!!! ;D
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I will thank you right now, because missing De Pan was a major regret on my part!
Perhaps someone can give me a lift on that day, so I can avoid having to ask my better half to drive me to Utrecht in the wee hours, wait for me to play golf and hurry me back to Noordwijk. It would be a lot more beneficial to my health if I were to tell her that she can have the car all day and go wherever she fancies :)
Ulrich
Don't worry Ulrich, we will figure it out.
Ulrich,
I'll be renting a car, so will have a room for you.
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I will thank you right now, because missing De Pan was a major regret on my part!
Perhaps someone can give me a lift on that day, so I can avoid having to ask my better half to drive me to Utrecht in the wee hours, wait for me to play golf and hurry me back to Noordwijk. It would be a lot more beneficial to my health if I were to tell her that she can have the car all day and go wherever she fancies :)
Ulrich
Don't worry Ulrich, we will figure it out.
Ulrich,
I'll be renting a car, so will have a room for you.
If I remember Ulrich's car correctly, you'll be able to fit him AND his car in your rental.
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Just make sure to put me on the losing team, so as to limit the damage I can do :)
Ulrich
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Hi David,
Looks like you have been very busy with organizing things, how exactly does the program look like?
Regards, Andrew
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Andrew,
I think David is away but believe he has been updating the original post on page one with the itinerary.
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Latest update. Hilversumsche added Friday morning. This is the classic course that has hosted the KLM Open the last several years.
It's heathland course that I'm certain everyone will enjoy.
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This is a fantastic lineup, David. Thanks so much for you work with setting up this Buda and the additional rounds. Thanks to Frank, too.
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At http://www.thedutch.nl I found a course called "The Dutch" - is that the same one that goes under "The International" here? What is the real name?
Ulrich
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At http://www.thedutch.nl I found a course called "The Dutch" - is that the same one that goes under "The International" here? What is the real name?
Ulrich
No they are separate golf courses.
The Dutch is a EGD design, not the same as International, which is a Bruno Steensels design.
Officially The Dutch is a Montgommery and International a Woosnam :)
Dutch has very nice green complexes, but for the rest is quite overhyped. (the course was part of the Dutch Ryder Cup bid)
It lies in an absolutely flat peat/clay polder east of Rotterdam, about the worst place to build a golf course.
EGD did the best they could with it, but its not as good as the courses you are playing in BUDA.
(most people I have spoken to actually like International better than The Dutch)
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Ah ok, thanks, I thought they were the same. So we're talking about http://www.theinternational.nl
Ulrich
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I played Swinkelsche last week for the first time with the fescue really present. Course looks quite different.
Here are pics for people who want to have some pre fun about their upcoming BUDA trip:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ccgwy3fs6m3xmwa/u9vaSVW1Oo (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ccgwy3fs6m3xmwa/u9vaSVW1Oo)
and also the strokesaver:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10772736/Swinkelsche%20caddie%20book.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10772736/Swinkelsche%20caddie%20book.pdf)
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that looks great Frank! I'm excited to play it! Looks quite long from the tips and looks like some solid golf terrain.
Sand based ground? Seems to be in the photos...
You must be excited to see if it stands the test of all these extremely picky golf geeks! (sorry guys...)
I've just been to the 5th Major and a few other fun courses last week and this week so I should be warmed up by then.
Look forward to seeing everyone.
David
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Question for the others playing Swinkelsche on the Sunday morning - where are you staying on the Saturday night? Conrad and I will be doing Swinkelsche/Eindhoven and it would be good to catch up with other BUDAites on the Saturday night.
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Whitty and I are staying in Amsterdam at the Barbie house or some such place; a smallish flat
My overseas phone number is
44 793 766 3106
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This is what the programme looks like:
Sunday, 14 July 20113
- Swinkelsche/Eindhovensche combination. http://www.golfbaandeswinkelsche.nl/ http://www.eindhovenschegolf.nl/
- Arrival Noordwijk aan Zee, check-n to Huis ter Duin, this can also happen on Saturday
Monday, 15 July
- Morning foursomes at Noordwijkse Golf Club
- Lunch
- Afternoon fourball better ball Noordwijkse Golf Club
- Drinks and buffet dinner at Noordwijkse Golf Club
- Perhaps a small presentation/greeting http://www.noordwijksegolfclub.nl
Tuesday, 16 July
- 8:00 tee off - The International http://www.theinternational.nl/
- 14:30 tee off - Royal Hague http://www.khgcc.nl/en/
- Dinner with architect presentation – Frank Pont http://www.infinitevarietygolf.com/
Wednesday, 17 July
- Utrecht De Pan – as above based on the numbers. http://www.ugc-depan.nl/ Tee time = 8:00 am. Price 60 euro.
- Singles matches (in the form of fourballs) at Noordwijkse Golf club - tee times start at 14:50
Optional golf:
Thursday, 18 July
- Kennemer Golf Club – Please confirm your definite interest to me ASAP http://www.kennemergolf.nl/ Price 62.50 for 27 holes all 3 courses, maybe more but on a space available basis. Shouldn't be a problem.
Friday, 19 July
- Hilversumsche Golf Club - 7:30 am tee time. 60 euro price.
- Hoge Kleij Golf Club - time TBA.
As for the golf we have been able to arrange this with more than a 50% discount on the golf fees. Which is the first time these clubs have extended that kind of hospitality to an outside of NL group I’m told.
Golf at de Noordwjikse will cost:
195 euro/158 GBP/257 USD (course as of today on XE.com) for 3 rounds
Golf at The International will cost: 75 euro
Golf at Royal Hague will cost:
90 euro/73 GBP/118 USD
Wondering if we need to make our own tee times for any of the above rounds?[/list]
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Joe,
David and Frank are arranging all of the tee times for Sun-Friday rounds. A lot of work, which is much appreciated. Amazingly, if my math is correct, we are getting to play the top courses in Holland Sun-Fri for €570 - less than €50 per round. That helps me out a lot given the miserable value of the $.
There are a couple of logistics questions that come to mind:
1. What format of payment is acceptable to clubs? Will they take credit cards, or is cash needed for each? I had assumed that the group would need to make a consolidated payment to each club, but could be wrong.
2. Jacket and tie for Buda dinner?
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Whitty and I are staying in Amsterdam at the Barbie house or some such place; a smallish flat
My overseas phone number is
44 793 766 3106
That's in the red light district, right?
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Before this gets away from me:
Appartementen Billy Jean
Lijnbaansgracht 166A, Amsterdam-Centrum
Amsterdam, 1216 VX
+31653612184
Whitty booked it so yes it probably is
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Before this gets away from me:
Appartementen Billy Jean
Lijnbaansgracht 166A, Amsterdam-Centrum
Amsterdam, 1216 VX
+31653612184
Whitty booked it so yes it probably is
No its safe and far from the red light district, close to De Jordaan, Anne Franks house and "the nine little streets"
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Damn Fred you could have included directions in your reply
Perhaps Dave or Fred could suggest a cocktail hour rendezvous and we could work off that?
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Joe,
David and Frank are arranging all of the tee times for Sun-Friday rounds. A lot of work, which is much appreciated. Amazingly, if my math is correct, we are getting to play the top courses in Holland Sun-Fri for €570 - less than €50 per round. That helps me out a lot given the miserable value of the $.
There are a couple of logistics questions that come to mind:
1. What format of payment is acceptable to clubs? Will they take credit cards, or is cash needed for each? I had assumed that the group would need to make a consolidated payment to each club, but could be wrong.
I checked Swinkelsche and they can only accept cash, NO CREDIT CARDS. The good news its only 27.50 euro per person....
Eindhovensche and Hoge Kleij are free so no credit cards needed :)
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Thanks, Frank. You've made the payment question quite easy on us.
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Sorry to be so pedestrian but ....
I need to git a holt of Mike Whittaker or have him check his email immediately
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Guys,
I think all the other clubs accept credit cards. Probably Visa/mastercard mainly. AMEX to a lesser extent.
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Are you going to collect the money centrally for the main event, like the down payment?
Ulrich
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Ulrich,
I don't think so. I think everyone will have to pay at each place but I'll check with Tony who's the acting treasurer for this BUDA. Personally I don't want anything to do with handling money unless it's being given/donated to me :-)
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Not wanting to tempt fate but the weather forecast looks as near perfect as it's possible to imagine. Starting to get quite excited!
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Not wanting to tempt fate but the weather forecast looks as near perfect as it's possible to imagine. Starting to get quite excited!
Mark,
I'm excited for you guys and wish I could make the trip over. Really enjoyed getting to know your host while traveling the plains with him the week before last. David's organized what should be another memorable BUDA. My hat's off to him.
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Mark,
at least now we know who to blame if the weather turns bad after all! :)
I have been holding my fingers still for a few days already, since ancient German weather folklore says the weather on "Siebenschläfer" day holds for seven weeks. Now, there is some debate amongst the clueless as to how ancient this saying is and whether the Gregorian or the Julian calendar applies for determining when this Siebenschläfer day actually is. But suffice it to say that most learned men and women agree that the past week-end was the date (where we had brilliant weather) and not the week-end before that (where the weather was British).
So there, hope to see you all in the hotel bar, come Sunday night.
Ulrich
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Ward and I are on the Pride of Canterbury heading across the channel for our per-BUDA tour. We just finished two glorious days in Deal and the weather has been PERFECT!!! Looking forward to seeing you boys in Holland after we spend two days in France and two in Belgium. Cheers!
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Has a rendezvous location in Amsterdam been established for Saturday?
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It would be helpful if everyone could post the mobile numbers at which they can be reached while in The Netherlands.
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Frank,
What time should we plan on being at Swinkelsche on Sunday morning?
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I just saw that Wednesday tee times at de Pan start at 7.15am, the night after the dinner. Google maps reckons on an 80 minute drive!
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Frank,
What time should we plan on being at Swinkelsche on Sunday morning?
Ideally around 9 am, earlier is even better. We can start when we want. Eindhoven is booked for around 14.30
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Mark,
yes it will be an early one. However a few of you were set to leave after golf on Wednesday afternoon and mentioned that a later tee time was not desired at Noordwijkse so I left it at 1 pm. We need to play at De Pan, should be 3.5 - 4 hours, have a quick lunch and then drive to Noordwijkse by 1 pm. It will be tight but it's worth it to have the chance to experience De Pan. It will be a great day of golf.
David
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Mark, the drive is 1 hour and a couple minutes. Less if you follow me and keep up. It's all freeway except for the last 10 minutes. No problem.
My mobile number is +31 (0) 6 53 76 9403. (only dial the 0 if you are in NL calling locally and then you drop the +31.
I won't make it Saturday evening. My trip in the US was unpleasantly extended so I'm returning Friday morning to NL.
Look forward to seeing you all.
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Well, at least those staying on will have enough time to relax on Wednesday afternoon :)
BTW, I doubt that the hotel will serve breakfast at 5:30 AM, but it might be worth asking them if they'd prepare lunch bags for that day.
Ulrich
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David,
I'm travelling with Conrad Gamble. You haven't met Conrad but he's well known to previous BUDAites. He'll be driving. Trust me when I say that it's unlikely we'll struggle to keep up........
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Mark, depends how many paddocks you guys have to push the car out of ... or what type of fuel you put in the tank when you fill it up! ;D
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Mark, depends how many paddocks you guys have to push the car out of ... or what type of fuel you put in the tank when you fill it up! ;D
Good points, well made. I would point out that we were able to drive out of the field we ended up in between Rye and Deal.
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Mountainous terrain, too, can slow Conrad down.
I'm happy to give up a bit of sleep for the course lineup we have. I get into AMS a little before 6AM on Sunday morning, so barring any major immigration delays should be at Swinkelsche by 9.
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Mountainous terrain, too, can slow Conrad down.
I don't foresee a problem with that in the Netherlands, though. As to the need for sleep, I remain convinced that you don't actually need sleep in the way mere mortals do.
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When is tee off on Monday morning?
Ulrich
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I believe it's 8 am. I will confirm.
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It would be nice if we could have breakfast at the hotel before the golf :)
Ulrich
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We can, no problem. It's NL, everything is possible, that's their motto. :-)
Well at least when I'm in charge.
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Well, we're here in Alkmaar, sitting in an Eetcafe over the Gracht and just had some fantastic fish. Tomorrow it's the cheese market. Who needs golf in the Netherlands ;)
Ulrich
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I was in Rotterdam last week on business and had the distinct pleasure to play Royal Hague. It was absollutely exquisite. Virtually every hole memorable and the stretch of 13 through 18 some of the best holes I have ever played, and I have had the privilege to play Cypress Point, MacArthur, The Medalist, Hirono, Chicago, Yale, The Creek and several others. I'm a National Member of Prairie Dunes, and I would describe Royal Hague as Prairie Dunes on steroids. Prairie Dunes' great undulating ribbon fairways on 8 and 9 are my favorites there. Virtually every par 4 and 5 at Royal Hague has similar ribbon fairways. Byron Nelson once said that if you have a level lie, then you have hit it in the wrong place. You all will have a memorable round at Royal Hague. Best wishes.
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My mobile number is +31 (0) 6 53 76 9403. (only dial the 0 if you are in NL calling locally and then you drop the +31.
My NL mobile number is +31 (0) 6 12 04 5511
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My mobile is +44 (0) 7980 769622
Conrad and I arrive in Holland this evening. We're in Utrecht tonight then in Eindhoven on Saturday night. Looking forward to meeting up with everyone on Sunday.
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Gentlemen,
Monday morning tee times start at 8 am just to confirm, after lunch we start at 1:30.
All the other times you are aware of I believe.
My mobile number again is +31 (0) 653 769403 and I just arrived from Portland, Oregon where all is well :-)
David
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David,
The best news here is that all is well in Oregon.
That said, I can't wait to get playing. A couple of beers tonight and, perhaps, some Indonesian food, then 180 holes in five days on what I'm expecting to be a great variety of excellent courses. That and GB&I (or Europe or whatever team we are) regaining the BUDA Cup. Bring it on!
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Do any of the clubs require a jacket?
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Do any of the clubs require a jacket?
It's better to bring one just in case. I believe it's the norm to wear jacket and tie for the meal, but I've only attended on BUDA, so I could be wrong.
I know someone asked about shorts on one of the earlier threads on BUDA XI. What was the conclusion? Do you need to wear knee-high socks?
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Hi guys, golf shorts are accepted in all clubs in NL I think. No need for knee high socks unless of course you want to.
Jacket and tie are an option. I probably won't do that. Maybe a jacket and button down shirt. (dress shirt). Tie is optional.
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I'm arriving tomorrow am and staying the night in Eindhoven. My UK phone is 44 0 7922639920.
Figure I'll see everyone around 815 on Sunday at Swinkelsche.
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I'm on Texel right now, an island off the coast of North Holland. They have a 9 hole links course here, which is in the process of being extended to 18 holes. Looks like true linksland throughout, although with a lot of water. Maybe burns, but I couldn't see whether they connected to the ocean. Very interesting to say the least, could be a hidden gem. I would estimate that the new holes will open sometime next year. Newly built links courses are always good news. Apparently the land was agricultural, which may be the reason they allowed it to be restored to linksland in the form of golf holes.
Ulrich
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gents,
Sunday we are starting at 9 am at Swinkelsche. Please try to be there on time so we can go out as a group.
Ulrich,
Indeed the Texelse golf course is expanding. The work is being done a golf architect that is a member of my club named Alan Rijks. He also did the first 9. I've not played it, I don't believe in 9 holes of golf. Ok outside the sacred 9 which is the first 9 holer I've played in a long time.
See you on Sunday morning.
David
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Sunday evening in my case, if you would be so inclined as to make an appearance at the hotel bar :)
I checked into the hotel tonight and found out that they serve breakfast from 7 AM. So for the first two days (8 AM in Noordwijk and The International) this is going to be a close shave. Maybe push back some of the afternoon tee times? :)
Ulrich
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Hi Ulrich,
Yes I will but it's probably going to be fairly late as we are playing 36 during the day. Maybe too late but we shall see.
Regards,
David
Sunday evening in my case, if you would be so inclined as to make an appearance at the hotel bar :)
I checked into the hotel tonight and found out that they serve breakfast from 7 AM. So for the first two days (8 AM in Noordwijk and The International) this is going to be a close shave. Maybe push back some of the afternoon tee times? :)
Ulrich
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My flight gets into AMS just before 6am on Sunday. D Kelly will pick me up and i think we should be there by 8:30.
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Guys it's with heavy heart that I have to say I wish I could join you but I can't! My back has let me down and intensive physio work this week hasn’t done nearly enough.
I did let David know and I'm sorry to have added yet more reorganising to his tasks. I've been pleased to have been a sounding board for him off line so I do know that he's done a phenomenal amount of work to make this happen. Others would easily have given up when presented with the obstacles thrown up. Suffice to say this outing is a first for Netherlands golf in so many ways.
The practicalities.
1 I have the Buda Cup – sorry!
2 Craig Discher and Mark Chaplin were due to travel with me and sadly they will now be absent too.
3 DEPOSITS. spoken with the club and can transfer the money to them on Monday If any questions remain please speak directly with me on 00447973919809.
My apologies, I can only add I would love to be there.
Enjoy.
Tony
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Gentlemen,
This is the first Buda I will be missing since my debut back at Porthcawl and Pennard, and I'm really going to miss it! It looks like David has done an excellent job, and I'm sure you will all have an amazing time!
Tony,
Sorry to hear about your back. Hope all clears up soon! As I'd have been with you if I was able to make it this year, I'm not sure what I would have done? 8)
Cheers,
James
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That and GB&I (or Europe or whatever team we are) regaining the BUDA Cup. Bring it on!
Mark,
In my absence I'm curious to know what are the teams, and more importantly... who are the Captains this year???
Cheers,
James
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Tony,
all the best and I really hope you can get the deposits in play, because I've based my cash supply on that :)
Ulrich
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Tony - Say it isn't so!!! Even with a bad back you should come and be with us. You have already set aside the time and funds... plus, you probably wouldn't have won your matches anyway, so your team will benefit!!! ;D
Seriously, I hope you will reconsider and come and be with us. Who knows, perhaps your back will improve and allow you to play a bit.
As for Craig and Chappers... what do you mean you are not coming??? Get your asses in gear and get over here. I can get you back to England on Thursday if you can get here. I'll be glad to pick you up at a ferry dock or airport if necessary. MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
Ward and I had a good tourist day in Amsterdam today and are fully rested for the Buda. Beware of the Indiana Thrasher!!!
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Anyone else in the house--Huis ter Duin that is?
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Conrad and I (but sadly not Conrad's clubs, which BA, having delivered Conrad 24 hours late to Schipol have left at Heathrow) are in Eindhoven, raring to go for tomorrow. Does anyone know if the clubs we are playing might have hire clubs available if BA don't get Conrad's clubs to us in time?
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Conrad and I (but sadly not Conrad's clubs, which BA, having delivered Conrad 24 hours late to Schipol have left at Heathrow) are in Eindhoven, raring to go for tomorrow. Does anyone know if the clubs we are playing might have hire clubs available if BA don't get Conrad's clubs to us in time?
I will bring my second set of clubs
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I am checking in tonight, looking forward to Sunday and seeing everyone. Thanks! Hart
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I'm already checked in and, together with my better half, on the way to the hotel bar. Satnav says we'll be there at about 10:20 PM. If anyone is there, I'm wearing a red T-Shirt and shorts.
Ulrich
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Btw, there are several bars in the hotel, I'm talking about the one in the lobby, van DiepeningenLounge or somesuch.
Ulrich
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I'll try to be there. Shorts and orange shirt.
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Hello Gentlemen,
Welcome all to Holland!
Unfortunately due to work commitments I will only be joining on Tuesday for the rounds at The International and The Royal Hague. But I'm looking forward to putting some well known names to faces.
I hope you all have fun the next two days and I will see you all on Tuesday!
Cheers, Andrew
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Any reports from over there in the Old World?
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Bill - check out @markdavidpearce on Twitter. Doing some great work!
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Bill - check out @markdavidpearce on Twitter. Doing some great work!
Uh......twitter?
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We're having much fun and very little time for anything other than golfing and refueling.
Ulrich
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Brief update... this is the most action packed Buda to date. We are playing golf from sunup to sundown with a meal or two thrown in here and there. The Dutch are most welcoming hosts and very proud to showcase their courses. David is doing a fabulous job of "herding cats" and we have been able to squeeze in as much golf as most can possibly handle.
The courses are as good as one would expect to find in the UK. We played De Pan today and it was the surprise hit of the trip for many of us. I'm sure there will be photo tour soon and you won't want to miss this one!
I think we all now have a much deeper appreciation of Harry Colt!
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More news soon please.
Delighted it all worked out.
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This was the first Buda Cup without the Buda Cup, so it should go down in the annals as the Buda Experience. I played 135 holes out of a total of 207 holes that were available. Many thanks to David Davies for making it a reality - to see all great golf courses of the Netherlands in one go.
For me Kennemer was the surprise hit, I expected a much flatter and less interesting course. I cannot give my final ranking yet, as I've a system that I meticulously follow with points allocated for Shot Values, Quirk, Scenery and Flow. But off the top of my head I'd say that Royal Hague is a grand course in every respect and I do not know how it could be improved. Maybe returning to the club house after two holes is a bit awkward. Kennemer is the ultimate member's course with three interesting loops, two of which form an authentic Colt links course and are the clear choice for playing 18. Noordwijkse has some of the best links holes in Europe, but also some unfortunate pine forest holes and green to tee walks. De Pan is a great example of how to create good holes in a pine forest. However, there is a slight sense of sameness to it on the front 9. The back 9 are a stupendous stretch of holes.
I would be thrilled to be a member at any of those world class courses. Again, many thanks to David Davies for organising it and to all participants for showing up and being a great bunch of guys to play golf with. Whoever made the weather should also get a nod of approval.
Ulrich