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Title: Your #1 Bucket List golf course.
Post by: Dean Stokes on September 07, 2012, 10:01:21 PM
And why? Mine is Shinnecock Hills.

I just saw a photograph on facebook of a friend sat on the clubhouse deck having lunch and looking over the course to the windmill at NGLA....it whet my appetite again. I worked on Long Island for a summer and had my photograph taken looking over the course....I was in ore of it's beauty. I drove through the course and saw many of the holes and played many of the other courses in that area but not SH. I used to live with a tour caddy who has caddied in over 50 countries and caddied in the same amount of majors - he said in his opinion and pros he knows say it is the best 'true test/tournament' course in the world. I have seen and read many accounts of the course on this site.

Shinny would be the course I would play with only one round of golf left. What is yours and why?
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Post by: Mac Plumart on September 07, 2012, 10:12:50 PM
Dismal Doak...

I've seen this thing grow from raw land and I can't wait to tee it up there officially.  It is my #1 Bucket List golf course.
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Post by: mike_beene on September 07, 2012, 10:21:36 PM
Merion.For some reason it was the first great course I noticed and I remember and still have the US Open guide they sent me in the late 60s.I have been fortunate to play the other courses that I was originally interested in.I am really interested in how they fit it on the land.
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Post by: Chris Newton on September 07, 2012, 11:36:07 PM
I've always been intrigued by Fishers Island. The classic Raynor holes combined with the world class scenery there would make for an unforgettable round. It seems like such a unique place to play golf.
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Post by: Ash Towe on September 07, 2012, 11:40:08 PM
Dean,

I am organizing a bucket list trip at the moment.  I have just had my L5S1 vertebrae fused and started playing again two weeks ago after a year off.  My surgeon thinks I may need further surgery which would mean the end of my playing days.  So I have no time to waste.

My choice is also Shinnecock but for different reasons.  My first major golfing excursion was to Scotland where I was fortunate to play Murifield which I thought was great.  I have heard Shinnie described as the Muirfeild of USA and that has provoked my interest.  Also there has been some excellent photo tours of the course which would give anybody the desire to play there.
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Post by: Jud_T on September 07, 2012, 11:49:22 PM
F*%# access.  Westward Ho.
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Post by: Eric Smith on September 08, 2012, 01:26:10 AM
The Old Course at St Andrews - where, fortunately, I will be playing in an hour and a half. Golf has been my obsession for nearly 35 years and visiting here has been my dream. The seagulls are calling outside my window. Time to go.
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Post by: Joe Bausch on September 08, 2012, 01:30:03 AM
A restored Cobb's Creek. Because I really
believe it has that much potential.
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Post by: Mark Pearce on September 08, 2012, 01:38:57 AM
The Old Course at St Andrews - where, fortunately, I will be playing in an hour and a half. Golf has been my obsession for nearly 35 years and visiting here has been my dream. The seagulls are calling outside my window. Time to go.
Enjoy.
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Post by: Rich Goodale on September 08, 2012, 02:58:24 AM
None

Played enough "BL" courses to know that I've ticked enough boxes/carved the right notches in my pistol grip so that whatever golf courses remain will not be awe inspiring.  But I grow old....

My BL is firstly to remain as fit and compos mentis as possible, for as long as possible.  Within that context, seeing my teenagers continue to grow into happy and confident and unique adults is my "#1."

If tomorrow someone would offer me the use of his or her private jet to fly to Augusta or Pine Valley or wherever, for a week of golf with Tiger, Arnie, Jack or any BUDA regular, I'd say no in a heartbeat if it conflicted with my familiy's needs.

Rich
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Post by: Martin Toal on September 08, 2012, 03:55:00 AM
Based on what I read here, Pine Valley. After all, if it is a bucket list, may as well get some help to kick the bucket.
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Post by: Steve Lang on September 08, 2012, 07:19:35 AM
 8) a return to Ballyneal... what's their status these days?
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Post by: John McCarthy on September 08, 2012, 07:22:25 AM
Ballybunion for a host of sentimental reasons.
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Post by: astavrides on September 08, 2012, 09:47:35 AM
Cypress Point
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Post by: SteveOgulukian on September 08, 2012, 09:48:10 AM
I would say Shinnecock and/or Cypress Point.  I've been fortunate enought to have scrathed their neighbors (NGLA & PB) off my bucket list but these two would be my choice.  I think a large reason is that I've seen both courses, driven through them numerous times, and missed out on a round at Shinny due to getting an invite when I was out of the country on a business trip.  I grew up on Long Island and, like anyone else who spends time out east, have passed by Shinnecock countless times and know many people who play there often.  I feel like I've been so close but it just hasn't happened yet.  The view from the clubhouse prior to sunset is as good as it gets.
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Post by: Keith OHalloran on September 08, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Pine Valley, because it would be nice to be able to participate in one of Pat Mucci's threads.  ;D
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Post by: Geoffrey_Walsh on September 08, 2012, 10:31:22 AM
The Old Course would be #1

Cypress Point or Chicago GC would be tops in the US
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Post by: Cory Lewis on September 08, 2012, 12:00:35 PM
Chicago.  The ultimate for any Raynor/MacDonald Fan.
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Post by: hhuffines on September 08, 2012, 12:58:50 PM
Royal Melbourne for me
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Post by: K. Krahenbuhl on September 08, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
Augusta National is my #1 course and my dream trip would be to the courses of New Zealand and Australia.
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Post by: Ed Kenny on September 08, 2012, 03:10:47 PM
Royal Melbourne would be my choice as well. It would mean I finally made it to Australia.
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Post by: George Pazin on September 08, 2012, 03:27:37 PM
Barnbougle.

Welcome, Ed Kenny, nice first post.
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Post by: Alex Lagowitz on September 08, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
where i really want to play: NGLA
where i would like my last round:  Cypress
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Post by: Nigel Islam on September 08, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
Cypress Point as I have seen the property, I love MacKenzie, and I would dearly love to have the chance to play a course of that caliber.
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Post by: Bob_Huntley on September 08, 2012, 05:42:32 PM
The Old Course at St Andrews - where, fortunately, I will be playing in an hour and a half. Golf has been my obsession for nearly 35 years and visiting here has been my dream. The seagulls are calling outside my window. Time to go.

You must have had some pull, isn't the Bing Crosby or Town Match being played today?

Bob
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Post by: Jim Tang on September 08, 2012, 07:52:50 PM
Pine Valley or Cypress.  For the life of me I cannot decide which one would be # 1 on my BL.
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Post by: Criss Titschinger on September 08, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
where i really want to play: NGLA
where i would like my last round:  Cypress

This. But if CP is my last round, I hope I still have a chance to hit 16 in regulation.
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Post by: jonathan_becker on September 08, 2012, 09:42:43 PM
For the hundredth time mentioned by me, Royal Melbourne.  Come this winter though, I'll need to pick a new #1.  :)
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Post by: Bradley Anderson on September 08, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
My bucket list in the following order

1. NGLA
2. The Old Course
3. Cyprus Point
4. Pine Valley
5. Augusta
6. Shinecock
7. Prairie Dunes
8. Merion
9. Seminole
10. Alwoodley


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Post by: Chip Gaskins on September 08, 2012, 10:40:22 PM
The Country Club in Brookline or maybe Old Sandwich
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Post by: noonan on September 08, 2012, 11:25:30 PM
1. August National
2. Pebble Beach
3. St. Andrews
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Post by: Brian Potash on September 08, 2012, 11:59:47 PM
PV
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Post by: Eric Smith on September 09, 2012, 03:21:06 AM
The Old Course at St Andrews - where, fortunately, I will be playing in an hour and a half. Golf has been my obsession for nearly 35 years and visiting here has been my dream. The seagulls are calling outside my window. Time to go.

You must have had some pull, isn't the Bing Crosby or Town Match being played today?

Bob

Hi Bob. Yes sir I was most fortunate to play as a guest of a member of one of the local clubs. I suspect you're also right about the matches as I noticed that most of the afternoon were R&A times.
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Post by: Rob Swift on September 09, 2012, 05:24:09 AM
1. Cypress Point
2.Pebble Beach
3. St Andrews

Hoping to knock number 2 off the list next year with a trip to Monterey. Would be a dream to knock Cypress off the list in the same trip but that may take a little bit more work.
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Post by: Carl Rogers on September 09, 2012, 09:14:51 AM
I live in the Middle Atlantic region of the US.

I have to be more modest, meaning close by and no access to privates, in my goals which in turn makes them more obtainable.  They are:
-Old White
-Lower Cascades
-Pine Needles
-Pinehurst No. 2
-Harbortown
-Kiawah

The goals achieved are:
-Tobacco Road
-Ballyhack
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Post by: Ian Andrew on September 09, 2012, 09:16:53 AM
Woodhall Spa

Can't explain the overwhelming attraction of this course for me, but its probably the one I would like to see the most right now.
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Post by: Mark Saltzman on September 09, 2012, 09:29:52 AM
In the US -- NGLA. I think it can teach me more than any golf course I've played thus far. A dream day would be playing National, then walking around the property for hours, and then an emergency 18 as the sun sets.

Row -- Royal Melbourne.
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Post by: Willie_Dow on September 09, 2012, 09:39:24 AM
Past: Philly Country - Spring Mill as played when Snead lost it on the 18th.  Merion East before its "new" look.

Now: Dornoch.  Kittansett.  Fishers.  Wannamoisett
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Post by: Ross Harmon on September 09, 2012, 09:41:06 AM
NGLA
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Post by: Wade Schueneman on September 09, 2012, 04:06:44 PM
Cypress Point.  If I only have one round it seems like the total package - variety of landscape, beauty (both the views and the finish work on the bunkers), playability (I want to enjoy my last round), some very interesting greens, some special short par 4s, and seemingly great (building) rythm.

Now if I get a penultimate round I would not mind being abused and tackling the hardest greens in the world at Oakmont (plus the history and the sclae of the course would be cool as well).
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Post by: Tom_Doak on September 09, 2012, 04:20:06 PM
Courses I hope to see before the next edition of The Confidential Guide:

1.  Banff
2.  Jasper
3.  Stone Forest, China
4.  Ellerston, Australia
5.  Arrowtown, N.Z.
6.  Streamsong (Red)
7.  Castle Stuart
8.  Teugega
9.  Mayfield, Ohio
10.  Wolf Point, Tex.
11.  Sagebrush, Canada
12.  Himalayan GC, Nepal

Really, though, the two courses I most want to see before I die are two that I haven't built yet.
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Post by: Stephen Davis on September 09, 2012, 04:50:25 PM

Really, though, the two courses I most want to see before I die are two that I haven't built yet.

Tom,

Do you have sites in mind for these courses?
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Post by: Tiger_Bernhardt on September 09, 2012, 05:53:18 PM
To play as often as possible where ever is available.
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Post by: Bob_Huntley on September 09, 2012, 06:02:58 PM
To play as often as possible where ever is available.

Tiger,

You will, you will. God bless.

Bob
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Post by: Tom_Doak on September 09, 2012, 06:55:21 PM

Really, though, the two courses I most want to see before I die are two that I haven't built yet.

Tom,

Do you have sites in mind for these courses?

Of course.  One's at Mulan Bay in China, which I've talked about here previously -- I've done the routing for it and think it has huge potential, but it will be a LOT of work to make it come out as good as I hope it will. 

The other is a still undisclosed location, because I don't have the job yet.  I have not done a routing yet, because I don't have a map and I haven't had much time to walk the site.  But it is an amazing site with unlimited potential.
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Post by: Stephen Davis on September 09, 2012, 07:10:10 PM

Really, though, the two courses I most want to see before I die are two that I haven't built yet.

Tom,

Do you have sites in mind for these courses?

Of course.  One's at Mulan Bay in China, which I've talked about here previously -- I've done the routing for it and think it has huge potential, but it will be a LOT of work to make it come out as good as I hope it will. 

The other is a still undisclosed location, because I don't have the job yet.  I have not done a routing yet, because I don't have a map and I haven't had much time to walk the site.  But it is an amazing site with unlimited potential.

Tom,

Thanks for the reply. I hope the job in China starts moving along and the other job comes to fruition.
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Post by: Sam Morrow on September 09, 2012, 09:29:36 PM
To play as often as possible where ever is available.

You'd better, I thought I was your partner next year in the Oakbourne Member-Guest! As for me there are a number of courses on my bucket list but if I could only pick one it would be The Old Course. I don't think I really need to explain myself on that but it's The Old Course, it's the home of golf, heck it is golf.
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Post by: Charlie_Bell on September 09, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
1) NGLA -- because

2) Royal Dornoch -- because it's Scotland, and north
3) Cabot Cliffs -- because I want to see it built
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Post by: Jay Carstens on September 10, 2012, 08:54:21 AM
Crystal Downs or Eastward Ho.
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Post by: Scott Warren on September 10, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
All 27 at Morfontaine.
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Post by: JC Jones on September 10, 2012, 09:25:56 AM
Augusta National with my brother. 
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Post by: Jason Topp on September 10, 2012, 10:43:59 AM
For me it is not so much a course but an experience.  I would like to try the Carnegie Shield one year. 
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Post by: Michael Wharton-Palmer on September 10, 2012, 10:56:53 AM
Royal Melbourne...hopefully in the next couple of years...
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Post by: Bruce Wellmon on September 10, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
Reverse day at TOC
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Post by: Tim Gavrich on September 10, 2012, 12:16:57 PM
NGLA

Myopia Hunt

Cherokee Plantation
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Post by: Stephen Davis on September 10, 2012, 12:33:07 PM
I have so many answers to this question, but the course that has always been #1 on my list is Cypress Point. One of the people I was paired up with this weekend at Bandon had played every course on my Bucket List. From TOC, to Cypress, Augusta & PV. It was quite amazing to hear about all of these incredible and extremely exclusive courses he has played. I was in awe.
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Post by: Mark McKeever on September 10, 2012, 12:35:46 PM
If I had one last day, it would be NGLA and Shinny.

Mark
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Post by: C. Squier on September 10, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
Seminole, Piping Rock and Newport....in that order.
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Post by: Jeff_Brauer on September 10, 2012, 12:55:44 PM
My top bucket list course was always Royal Melbourne.  However, I did get to play that years ago.  I still harbor hopes of playing all the world top 100.  Now, I figure the top 100 I will never get to play is Royal Durban in S Africa.
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Post by: Tom_Doak on September 10, 2012, 01:00:54 PM
My top bucket list course was always Royal Melbourne.  However, I did get to play that years ago.  I still harbor hopes of playing all the world top 100.  Now, I figure the top 100 I will never get to play is Royal Durban in S Africa.

Jeff:

If you ever DO make it to South Africa, Durban Country Club is the course you want to see.  Royal Durban GC is three miles away, with part of its course in the middle of a large horse track, and flat as a pancake.

You're not the first to make this mistake.  In the early 1980's, before I became involved, GOLF Magazine listed Royal Durban as one of the top 50 courses in the world, before they realized they had the wrong course!
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Post by: Jeff_Brauer on September 10, 2012, 01:06:37 PM
Boy, would I have been dissapointed!

Closest I got was to Spain.  Would have flown to SA if my then wife wasn't scared of the idea.  Just to add to my passport, if not te see a few golf courese.
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Post by: Steve Strasheim on September 10, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
Well, since my next bucket list type trip will be to the Royal County Down/Royal Portrush area, I guess either of those will do.
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Post by: Matthew Petersen on September 10, 2012, 02:24:42 PM
1. Augusta
2. Cypress Point
3. Pine Valley
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Post by: Ron Csigo on September 10, 2012, 03:28:28 PM
Augusta National, hands down.  Having attended the Masters twice and walking every square inch of the property has only intensified my desire to play there.
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Post by: Tim Martin on September 10, 2012, 03:29:20 PM
Augusta National, hands down.  Having attended the Masters twice and walking every square inch of the property has only intensified my desire to play there.

I thought you were going to say Southampton. ;)
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Post by: Ron Csigo on September 10, 2012, 03:35:03 PM
Augusta National, hands down.  Having attended the Masters twice and walking every square inch of the property has only intensified my desire to play there.

I thought you were going to say Southampton. ;)

I finally got the invite to Southampton.  Otherwise, it would have been. ;)
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Post by: Tom_Doak on March 05, 2014, 04:12:49 AM
Courses I hope to see before the next edition of The Confidential Guide:

1.  Banff
2.  Jasper
3.  Stone Forest, China
4.  Ellerston, Australia
5.  Arrowtown, N.Z.
6.  Streamsong (Red)
7.  Castle Stuart
8.  Teugega
9.  Mayfield, Ohio
10.  Wolf Point, Tex.
11.  Sagebrush, Canada
12.  Himalayan GC, Nepal

Really, though, the two courses I most want to see before I die are two that I haven't built yet.

I played Arrowtown today and just had a blast.  That means I've checked off six of the twelve on my bucket list in the last 18 months -- Stone Forest, Arrowtown, Streamsong Red, Castle Stuart, Wolf Point and Himalayan -- with not a disappointment among them.

I may get to five of the other six before this year is out, but I'd better save one out for a while, just to be sure I don't kick the bucket  ;)
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Post by: Sean_A on March 05, 2014, 04:36:31 AM
I said the only drop it all on 48 hours notice course is Augusta, but thats all about golf.  My #1 bucket list course would be CPC because I have never been to California and there are a few things I would like to see.

Ciao 
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Post by: Rob Curtiss on March 05, 2014, 08:19:45 AM
There are 5 for me - not because of their rank or prestige - but because of their historic nature

- Shinnecock Hills
- Chicago Golf Club
- Brookline
- Newport CC
- St. Andrews CC - NY

They are the 5 that started it all

I try to play as many historic courses - not just famous ones- courses that have been here for a long time- good and bad
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Post by: Mac Plumart on March 05, 2014, 08:58:04 AM
St. Alberts
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Post by: Graylyn Loomis on March 05, 2014, 09:08:32 AM
I've had a good past 12 months knocking courses off, but Cypress Point and Rye are very high on the list now.
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Post by: Don_Mahaffey on March 05, 2014, 09:11:31 AM
Royal Melbourne
North Berwick
Rockwind Community Links    Hobbs, NM (under construction)
A planned golf course in Michigan
Mike Nuzzo course ( a planned golf course on a ranch property in TX with a similar owner and plan to Wolf Point, but better land, fingers crossed)
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Post by: Ian Andrew on March 05, 2014, 09:17:11 AM
Chicago Golf Club

Greatness on a flat clay site ... makes this the most important course that I haven't seen.
I need to understand "how" it was accomplished.
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Post by: RussBaribault on March 05, 2014, 09:35:56 AM
Maybe its because I've played Pine Valley, Shinnecock Hills and NGLA and some of the others are diffcult to get on, but not impossibe. There is no doubt in my mind it has to be Augusta National, the best course in the world and most diffcult to get a chance to play.
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Post by: Terry Lavin on March 05, 2014, 09:46:03 AM
I'm playing three of my top five this summer: NGLA, Shinny and Oakmont.
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Post by: Rob Curtiss on March 05, 2014, 09:54:10 AM
Terry,

Sounds like a dream come true

Hope you post something about them after you play
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Post by: Mark Chaplin on March 05, 2014, 05:21:16 PM
Royal County Down
Monfontaine
Augusta National

Rob Curtis - I trust you mean it's where it all started in the USA, your choices are a little modern in North Berwick, Blackheath and Calcutta!
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Post by: David Whitmer on March 05, 2014, 05:47:16 PM
When I got married ten years ago, I told my wife (who knows nothing about golf), that if I ever get an invite to play Pine Valley, Augusta National, or Cypress Point, I'm going not matter the occasion. Our anniversary? I'm going. Her birthday? I'm going. I told her I needed her to acknowledge that we discussed it, so in case it ever happens she can't say we never talked about it. And I bring it up every few years. I'm trying to put a fire out before it ever starts.


Chicago Golf Club

Greatness on a flat clay site ... makes this the most important course that I haven't seen.
I need to understand "how" it was accomplished.

Ian,

I played Chicago Golf Club a few years ago. I would not call it a flat site. Not ANGC, but it has some good downhill and uphill shots, starting with the first hole!
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Post by: Rob Curtiss on March 05, 2014, 05:49:54 PM
You are correct Mark..I have not played outside of the US. I was definitely referencing here.

Let me add TOC
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Post by: Mark Chaplin on March 05, 2014, 05:59:56 PM
David I'm a massive fan of Chicago Golf Club and it's a great course on a pretty poor piece of land.
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Post by: Bill Brightly on March 05, 2014, 06:02:25 PM
Chicago.  The ultimate for any Raynor/MacDonald Fan.

Perhaps the ultimate if you have already played NGLA...

But Cory, it is Macdonald... :)
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Post by: Garland Bayley on March 05, 2014, 06:05:38 PM
St. Enodoc because Sean Arble rates it #1
After that is knocked of at BUDA
Carne because Sean Leary hates it. ;)
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Post by: Ian Andrew on March 05, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
Carne because Sean Leary hates it. ;)

One of my all time favourite golfing experiences.
It's far from perfect architecturally, but the golfing landscape is second to none.
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Post by: Mark Chaplin on March 05, 2014, 06:38:58 PM
Bill I'd played CGC a couple of times before NGLA, to be honest I think MacDonald did a better job in Chicago as the Long Island plot was perfect for a world class course, in Wheaton it's far from perfect land.
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Post by: Mac Plumart on March 05, 2014, 06:46:25 PM
Mark, your point is well taken by me. Chicago might be the best bunkered course I've ever played. Brilliant course.
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Post by: Bill Brightly on March 05, 2014, 07:08:45 PM
Mark and Mac,

I've played NGLA and only seen photos of Chicago. I agree that the bunkering looks fantastic. In fact, I made sure the shaper saw those photos before doing work at Hackensack.

But NGLA came first. NGLA represents Macdonald's thoughts and visions. The "new" Chicago is an outgrowth of National, no?

But I'll trust you guys and put Chicago #1 on my bucket list ahead of Cypress Point!
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Post by: Wayne Wiggins, Jr. on March 05, 2014, 07:15:05 PM
Belt-notching         ANGC
Architectural Study         Pine Valley
Hidden Gem         Waverly (Portland, OR) -or- Idle Hour (Louisville, KY)
Just because I've never played it      Huntington Valley
International                                               Morfontaine

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Post by: Bob_Garvelink on March 05, 2014, 08:18:43 PM
Crystal Downs - one of the best in the world but as a Michigander I can only hope someday to see this beauty.  Pure Michigan!!!!!!
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Post by: BHoover on March 05, 2014, 08:54:49 PM

Really, though, the two courses I most want to see before I die are two that I haven't built yet.

Tom,

Do you have sites in mind for these courses?

Of course.  One's at Mulan Bay in China, which I've talked about here previously -- I've done the routing for it and think it has huge potential, but it will be a LOT of work to make it come out as good as I hope it will. 

The other is a still undisclosed location, because I don't have the job yet.  I have not done a routing yet, because I don't have a map and I haven't had much time to walk the site.  But it is an amazing site with unlimited potential.

I wonder where this undisclosed site is/was? Could it be the forthcoming Keiser development in Wisconsin? Just curious.

Anyway, for me, the bucket-list course definitely would be Royal Melbourne.

The course in Ohio that is on my bucket list is a toss-up between Camargo and The Country Club.
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Post by: J_ Crisham on March 05, 2014, 09:04:14 PM
Camargo , Sleepy Hollow, Lookout Mtn- trying to see all of Raynor 's work.
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Post by: Tom Bacsanyi on March 05, 2014, 09:09:30 PM
Augusta.  Even though I feel that I would enjoy the CPs, NGLAs, and the PVs of the world more, seeing it every April on TV would allow you to relive the experience a little bit.  I don't think that would ever get old.
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Post by: Mac Plumart on March 05, 2014, 10:24:17 PM
Mark and Mac,

I've played NGLA and only seen photos of Chicago. I agree that the bunkering looks fantastic. In fact, I made sure the shaper saw those photos before doing work at Hackensack.

But NGLA came first. NGLA represents Macdonald's thoughts and visions. The "new" Chicago is an outgrowth of National, no?

But I'll trust you guys and put Chicago #1 on my bucket list ahead of Cypress Point!

Bill, I understand your point.  But to be clear, I am not saying Chicago is better than NGLA...and I don't think Mark is either.  I think he is tipping his cap to the work done at Chicago and saying it is great, especially given the land it is on...not that it is bad land, just that NGLA's land is much better.

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Post by: Nigel Islam on March 05, 2014, 10:29:02 PM
Would Chicago Golf have been considered great before the Raynor renovation? Don't forget that Seth made substantial changes after MacDonald had long moved away.
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Post by: BCowan on March 05, 2014, 10:31:42 PM
''Anyway, for me, the bucket-list course definitely would be Royal Melbourne.''

+1 and I would stay there until they deported me!
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Post by: Jason Thurman on March 05, 2014, 10:53:07 PM
''Anyway, for me, the bucket-list course definitely would be Royal Melbourne.''

+1 and I would stay there until they deported me!

Over/under 3.5 holes?

The Old Course for me. The world is full of courses I'd love to play, but that's the one that would really bum me out if I never get to see it.
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Post by: Ben Malach on March 05, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
Number 1 on my list right now is Royal Melbourne. Looks amazing plus it would be cool to visit Australia. 
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Post by: BCowan on March 05, 2014, 11:04:43 PM
Number 1 on my list right now is Royal Melbourne. Looks amazing plus it would be cool to visit Australia. 

Alright two Ben's and a Hoover, we just need a 4th! 
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Post by: Jason Thurman on March 05, 2014, 11:11:33 PM
Belt-notching         ANGC
Architectural Study         Pine Valley
Hidden Gem         Waverly (Portland, OR) -or- Idle Hour (Louisville, KY)
Just because I've never played it      Huntington Valley
International                                               Morfontaine



You have the wrong city for Idle Hour. Still, it's worth the drive from Louisville, or really anywhere.
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Post by: Brett Morris on March 05, 2014, 11:18:18 PM
Sand Hills - would book the flight from Australia tomorrow.

Wolf Point.

San Francisco.

Chicago.
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Post by: Bill Brightly on March 05, 2014, 11:49:31 PM
Mark and Mac,

I've played NGLA and only seen photos of Chicago. I agree that the bunkering looks fantastic. In fact, I made sure the shaper saw those photos before doing work at Hackensack.

But NGLA came first. NGLA represents Macdonald's thoughts and visions. The "new" Chicago is an outgrowth of National, no?

But I'll trust you guys and put Chicago #1 on my bucket list ahead of Cypress Point!

Bill, I understand your point.  But to be clear, I am not saying Chicago is better than NGLA...and I don't think Mark is either.  I think he is tipping his cap to the work done at Chicago and saying it is great, especially given the land it is on...not that it is bad land, just that NGLA's land is much better.


Mac, we are not arguing here. But I always feel compelled to respond when I hear posters "add points" to a well designed course on relatively flat land, and somehow take  away points for courses built on great sites, especially those near salt water... Know what I mean? The site DOES matter, and there is no leveling of the playing field when measuring greatness. Just sayin'.
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Post by: Sean_A on March 06, 2014, 03:03:50 AM
Bill

I definitely give extra points for very well designed golf on flat land (I should say land with very little elevation change) for two reasons. First, flat land provides excellent contrast to hillier holes.  Second, flat land is more pleasurable for me to walk. 

Ciao
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Post by: Mark Chaplin on March 06, 2014, 03:59:24 AM
Cypress Point surprised me not for the sea holes which matched expectations but the sheer quality of the inland holes.

Chicago is one of the quietest most private clubs around and an extremely comfortable place to be. I would say it's a better course than NGLA if you had a formula of course quality v quality of land. It could be the best of all under this formula.
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Post by: RJ_Daley on March 06, 2014, 06:02:23 AM
I think I just did it.  I have always had a certain affinity for the look and watching great golf take place when broadcasts have covered Australian golf events.  Of course Royal Melbourne is the perennial darling of the lot.   

Idon't play well enough to have played the rota of courses I just competed.  But, the fun factor is unparalleled.  New South Wales was a dramatically beautiful experience.  KIngston Heath has the full preconceived expectation of MacKenzie on display.   And with one round on East course played, and a tour and running commentary from the course director/manager of the West, hole by hole, I think the bucket is pretty much filled.

I get a little uneasy with pushing the envelope of the constantly restated "bucket list".  I'm fully satistifed with what Ihave seen.  What ever might come next is merely a bonus.  As a genre of courses, the usual suspects in GB&I are mere pipedreams, and I'll take 'em as they may or may not come.  The golf course elite universe of excellence is widespread and I'm not sure that it is realistic nor a proper mindset for a bloke like myself to keep going to the well of good fortune with a bucket to be filled, and not feel the thirst has been greatfully slaked.
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Post by: David Whitmer on March 06, 2014, 07:33:31 AM
David I'm a massive fan of Chicago Golf Club and it's a great course on a pretty poor piece of land.

I'm also a massive fan of Chicago Golf Club. It's one of my favorites. I just said I wouldn't call it a flat site.
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Post by: Dwight Phelps on March 06, 2014, 06:51:50 PM
It was Cypress Point already, but I just finished Shackleord's book on CP and now I want to play there even more than before.
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Post by: Eric Smith on March 06, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Bill

I definitely give extra points for very well designed golf on flat land (I should say land with very little elevation change) for two reasons. First, flat land provides excellent contrast to hillier holes.  Second, flat land is more pleasurable for me to walk. 

Ciao

Sean,

Make haste to Port Lavaca, Texas!
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Post by: Sam Morrow on March 06, 2014, 07:44:45 PM
Bill

I definitely give extra points for very well designed golf on flat land (I should say land with very little elevation change) for two reasons. First, flat land provides excellent contrast to hillier holes.  Second, flat land is more pleasurable for me to walk. 

Ciao

Sean,

Make haste to Port Lavaca, Texas!

Amen
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Post by: Mac Plumart on March 06, 2014, 07:53:25 PM
Mark and Mac,

I've played NGLA and only seen photos of Chicago. I agree that the bunkering looks fantastic. In fact, I made sure the shaper saw those photos before doing work at Hackensack.

But NGLA came first. NGLA represents Macdonald's thoughts and visions. The "new" Chicago is an outgrowth of National, no?

But I'll trust you guys and put Chicago #1 on my bucket list ahead of Cypress Point!



Bill, I understand your point.  But to be clear, I am not saying Chicago is better than NGLA...and I don't think Mark is either.  I think he is tipping his cap to the work done at Chicago and saying it is great, especially given the land it is on...not that it is bad land, just that NGLA's land is much better.





Mac, we are not arguing here. But I always feel compelled to respond when I hear posters "add points" to a well designed course on relatively flat land, and somehow take  away points for courses built on great sites, especially those near salt water... Know what I mean? The site DOES matter, and there is no leveling of the playing field when measuring greatness. Just sayin'.


Bill, I agree.  It all matters.
Title: Re: Your #1 Bucket List golf course.
Post by: Matt Bielawa on March 06, 2014, 08:01:57 PM
Unrealistic:  Augusta
Semi-Realistic:  Crystal Downs and Sand Hills
Realistic and Will Happen:  Pebble & the Bandon 4
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Post by: Steven Blake on March 06, 2014, 08:24:53 PM
USA- NGLA
GB- St. Andrews
Ireland- Lahinch
Australia- Royal Melbourne
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Post by: Brendan Dolan on March 07, 2014, 08:21:53 PM
TOC, because it is the Old Course.  ;D
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Post by: Chris Wagner on March 10, 2014, 12:14:00 PM
All of the courses in the sand hills of Nebraska over and over again!!! I wouldn't pass on a trip to Augusta either.
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Post by: Phil Lipper on March 10, 2014, 01:35:44 PM
When I think of bucket list golf Augusta is always the first course that comes to mind, but Cypress is pretty high on the list also
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Post by: Mark Pearce on March 10, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
Pine Valley.  Those I know who have played it are unanimous that it is the best they have played.  I want to see why.
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Post by: Robert Kimball on March 11, 2014, 11:17:22 AM
Cypress, no doubt.

I am getting close though. . .  looks like Pebble is on the horizon this summer.

Baby Steps.
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Post by: Lou_Duran on March 11, 2014, 11:24:13 AM
Slightly probable: ANGC

Probable: Pine Valley

Likely: Royal Melbourne

If granted only one: RM in F&F conditions
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Post by: BHoover on March 11, 2014, 11:26:33 AM
At this point, after a very long, cold and snowy winter, my #1 bucket list course is ANY course that is not buried under several inches of snow and is located in a climate that would allow me to play golf.
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Post by: Ruediger Meyer on March 11, 2014, 02:33:48 PM
Since I started golfing Cypress Point. Unfortunately it'll stay a bucket list dream...
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Post by: ed_getka on March 11, 2014, 03:34:48 PM
Rye. I love the stories about the President's Putter and the descriptions I've  read of the course have always piqued my interest. Other courses that would fit the bill would be Prestwick, St Enodoc, Eastward Ho, Myopia. I am simpatico with RJ and Rihc. I have been blessed to see many of the great courses in the world and know them when I see them. I'll never see every great course and that is okay. I am really looking forward to seeing LACC and Seminole when the Walker Cup comes to those sites. I had a epic day on Sunday at last years Walker Cup at NGLA when I walked about 60 holes. I look forward to repeating the experience in 2017 and 2021.
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Post by: ed_getka on March 11, 2014, 03:45:58 PM
Rye. I love the stories about the President's Putter and the descriptions I've  read of the course have always piqued my interest. Other courses that would fit the bill would be Prestwick, St Enodoc, Eastward Ho, Myopia. I am simpatico with RJ and Rihc. I have been blessed to see many of the great courses in the world and know them when I see them. I'll never see every great course and that is okay. I am really looking forward to seeing LACC and Seminole when the Walker Cup comes to those sites. I had a epic day on Sunday at last years Walker Cup at NGLA when I walked about 60 holes. I look forward to repeating the experience in 2017 and 2021.

We have several courtesy days (where we can play as Deal has events) with Rye every year - one weekend day. Just secured a much coveted weekend slot this morning, playing with GCA's Dan Moore and Chappers. We have from midday to our 1.40 tee time to enjoy the excellent lunch! Very cool place.

I'm jealous. Have a great day. Golfing with Dan Moore is an added bonus. Great guy.



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Post by: Matthew Lloyd on March 11, 2014, 04:41:55 PM
in alphabetical order:

Cypress Point
Pine Valley
Royal County Down

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Post by: Mark Chaplin on March 11, 2014, 06:00:41 PM
Ed great guys don't win EVERY match! Dan however remains a dear friend and Nicky and I are looking forward to his return to Deal next month.

Rye being full of quirk requires the golfer to carve his own meat at lunch, it's quite nerve wracking hacking away at a lovely joint with an impatient queue at your shoulder.
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Post by: Bill_McBride on March 11, 2014, 06:27:37 PM
David I'm a massive fan of Chicago Golf Club and it's a great course on a pretty poor piece of land.

I'm also a massive fan of Chicago Golf Club. It's one of my favorites. I just said I wouldn't call it a flat site.

Two very nice hills at 1/17 greens and 12 green and what seems like a bunch of tees.  Otherwise it is pretty flattish. 
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Post by: Ryan Coles on March 11, 2014, 06:32:40 PM
Loch Lomond.
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Post by: Ryan Hillenbrand on March 11, 2014, 10:15:33 PM
1.Cypress Point
2. Pine Valley
3. Shinnecock
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Post by: Stephen Pellegrino on March 11, 2014, 10:40:18 PM
Ballyneal. I'm a new member there and haven't played the course yet. Very excited to crack the seal on that one this May.,,
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Post by: BCowan on March 12, 2014, 12:22:35 AM
Goat Hill
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Post by: jeffwarne on March 12, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Goat Hill

Don't worry, I'll load up the ferry  with some of that fancy pants microbrewery ale (should be no problem to find in The Hamptons ;)) for you and keep it cold in the cart while you walk
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Post by: jonathan_becker on March 12, 2014, 08:59:23 AM
For the hundredth time mentioned by me, Royal Melbourne.  Come this winter though, I'll need to pick a new #1.  :)

Last year I played the East and the West x 3

I'll say my new #1 is NGLA
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Post by: Declan Kavanagh on March 12, 2014, 10:49:17 PM
Fishers
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Post by: John Mayhugh on March 13, 2014, 11:54:36 AM
We have several courtesy days (where we can play as Deal has events) with Rye every year - one weekend day. Just secured a much coveted weekend slot this morning, playing with GCA's Dan Moore and Chappers. We have from midday to our 1.40 tee time to enjoy the excellent lunch! Very cool place.

Tell me that's not a 3-ball you're playing!
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Post by: Norbert P on March 13, 2014, 01:00:38 PM

 Woking has been my most compelling golf course but when I do make it there, I will not miss heading over to France and play . . .

http://www.omahabeachgolfclub.com/GB2_golf_omaha_beach_normandie.htm
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Post by: Bill Crane on March 13, 2014, 01:12:31 PM
Cypress Point.

It is so hard to get on - especially from the East Coast !!  I only know one person who has played there.  I know more people who have played ANGC than Cypress.  I have probably met 14 people who are members of P V.

Want to make an effort to play Shinnecock this year ( Flynn's best!), and it seems like I have some contacts.   Want to play Lancaster, too, among many others.

WmFlynnfan



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Post by: John Mayhugh on March 13, 2014, 01:22:09 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, Brian. I was worried for the future of golf.
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Post by: Lloyd_Cole on March 13, 2014, 03:21:37 PM
I've thrown my list away. I know I'll never have time to play all the courses I'd like to. I've been really lucky to play plenty of great courses and I'd now rather play 18 at Pwllheli with my son Frank, than Harlech, which would be too challenging for him... That said, in a few years he will be beating me...
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Post by: Kevin_D on March 13, 2014, 04:54:12 PM
For me, while there are many obvious contenders (Augusta, The Old Course, Cypress, Ballybunion), if I had to choose one and one only, the choice would be very clear: Pine Valley
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Post by: Mark Chaplin on March 13, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
Bill probably 30 friends have played Augusta, hardly anyone I know has played Chicago Golf Club, nor for that matter Cypress Point. Pine Valley isn't the toughest course to access as members are encouraged to take guests and stay over.

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Post by: Chuck Glowacki on March 14, 2014, 03:38:47 AM
Riviera
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Post by: Sam Krume on March 14, 2014, 01:36:43 PM
After playing most of the top courses here in the UK my #1 has to be PV or NGLA. PV to be ticked off later this year ;D but I am fascinated and drawn too NGLA. I would love to see how CB Macdonald interpreted all he saw here in the UK and took it back over the pond.